On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Port names are meaningful to z/OS, not Linux or z/VM. It is ok if some are
using port names and others are not. If you are using port names, then
all users must have the same port name. First one in wins.
Which means -
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On Friday, 05/09/2008 at 02:10 EDT, Mark Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I need a LAN connected to real Hipersockets to test this problem.
Well maybe not, just to test connectivity I could try just VM's TCPIP
and the
z/OS guest. If it works, then know I know I have some odd
I created a Hipersockets VLAN.
I stopped the interface in TCPIP, detached the real hipersockets, defined a
NIC and coupled it to the VLAN.
I did the same on the z/OS guest, (which required an IPL, the devices were
still active after stopping the adapter, VTAM?) and now the z/VM on the VLAN
On Mon, 12 May 2008 10:47:39 -0400, Mark Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I created a Hipersockets VLAN.
I stopped the interface in TCPIP, detached the real hipersockets, define
d
a
NIC and coupled it to the VLAN.
I did the same on the z/OS guest, (which required an IPL, the devices we
re
still
:
I created a Hipersockets VLAN.
I stopped the interface in TCPIP, detached the real hipersockets, define
d
a
NIC and coupled it to the VLAN.
I did the same on the z/OS guest, (which required an IPL, the devices we
re
still active after stopping the adapter, VTAM?) and now the z/VM
My recollection is that the port name must be the same everywhere or absent
everywhere.
Try removing your port names and see if that works.
Mark Pace wrote:
The only difference I see is that I have a port name in z/VM that i do
not have in z/OS. But the z/OS that works does not have a port
I remember that also, but it was many years ago.
The z/OS in an LPAR works without a portname, and the z/VM and z/OS worked
on the VLAN, one with a portname and one without, so I really don't think
that's it.
I did remove the portnames from my VM TCPIP stacks and restarted them, then
stopped and
On Friday, 05/09/2008 at 01:58 EDT, Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Is there an IBM Statement of Direction for a VSWITCH/HiperSocket
connection?
No. Requirement MR0331062246 was submitted in 2006 and was answered
Suggestion. If others want this support, please get with your fave user
On Friday, 05/09/2008 at 02:10 EDT, Mark Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I need a LAN connected to real Hipersockets to test this problem.
Well maybe not, just to test connectivity I could try just VM's TCPIP
and the
z/OS guest. If it works, then know I know I have some odd hardware
Removing RMCHINFO had no effect.
Routing and IP information from different systems on the Hipersocket Lan.
*z/VM on the GP*
netstat home
VM TCP/IP Netstat Level 520
IPv4 Home address entries:
Address Subnet Mask Link
--- --- --
199.44.nnn.nn
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Brian Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2008 08:27:19 -0400, Mark Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can't find any error in the addressing or routing.
That looked fine to me, too.
From the z/OS guest: What do a NETSTAT,ARP and a TRACERTE show?
connection instead of a real OSA. The real OSA
dedicated to z/OS just will not work.
Now that I think about it, I believe I read that you could not connect a
Virtual LAN, or VSWITCH to Hipersockets. I need to read some and find out
where I got that idea.
--
Mark Pace
Mainline Information
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 1:44 PM, in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Mark Pace
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Now that I think about it, I believe I read that you could not connect a
Virtual LAN, or VSWITCH to Hipersockets. I need to read some and find out
where I got that idea.
You can define
LAN, or VSWITCH to Hipersockets. I need to read some and find out
where I got that idea.
You can define a Guest LAN of type HiperSocket (if I remember that's actually
the default). You cannot assign a real HiperSocket to a VSWITCH controller.
Only OSAs can be used for that.
Mark Post
I need a LAN connected to real Hipersockets to test this problem.
Well maybe not, just to test connectivity I could try just VM's TCPIP and
the z/OS guest. If it works, then know I know I have some odd hardware
problem.
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there an IBM Statement of Direction for a VSWITCH/HiperSocket
connection?
/Tom Kern
I would like to see a tool on the HMC to view the same sort of information
that you get from Query VSWITCH DETAILS.
--
Mark Pace
be something to that. When I create a z/OS under z/VM I
have
to use a vswitch LAN connection instead of a real OSA. The real OSA
dedicated to z/OS just will not work.
Now that I think about it, I believe I read that you could not connect a
Virtual LAN, or VSWITCH to Hipersockets. I need to read
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Does anything that connects to hipersocket (or your OSA, which you say has a
similar problem) set a portname through DEVICE statement? PORTNAME is not
required since z/VM 4.4 (or 4.3 with a PTF and a certain microcode level),
and I see you are on z/VM 5.2 and you don't use it on DEVICE statement
Does anyone have a z/OS guest running under z/VM using Hipersockets?
I am still unable to get my z/OS guest under z/VM to communicate over
Hipersockets. The z/OS running in an LPAR works perfectly.
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Mark Pace
Mainline Information Systems
No, no messages, other than that the device initialized okay.
EZZ4313I INITIALIZATION COMPLETE FOR DEVICE IUTIQDFF
I know the CHPID works, because TCP/IP in that z/VM works with the
Hipersockets.
q chpid
ff
Path FF online to devices 0720 0721 0722 0723 0724 0725 0726
0727
Path FF online
On Thu, 8 May 2008 08:45:21 -0400, Mark Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone have a z/OS guest running under z/VM using Hipersockets?
I am still unable to get my z/OS guest under z/VM to communicate over
Hipersockets. The z/OS running in an LPAR works perfectly.
Verify that the CHPID
machine needs OPTION MAINTCCW in its
directory entry or not in order to see the CHPID number for a dedicated
device. At DR we don't use real hipersockets, but rather a hipersocket
LAN and our z/OS guests have NICDEF's with the CHPID F0 parameter and hav
e
OPTION DEVMAINT but not MAINTCCW.
What
For Hipersockets I do not create a TRLE, only for an OSA adapter. At least
that works on my z/OS system running in an LPAR.
Options in the User direct
OPTION MAINTCCW LNKNOPAS DEVINFO DEVMAINT DIAG98 NOMDCFS RMCHINFO
OPTION STGEXEMPT SVC76VM
Yes they are online. That is also weird because
On Thu, 8 May 2008 16:18:52 -0400, Mark Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For Hipersockets I do not create a TRLE, only for an OSA adapter. At
least
that works on my z/OS system running in an LPAR.
You're right, no TRLE. I got carried away.
Options in the User direct
OPTION MAINTCCW LNKNOPAS
.
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Wednesday, 04/23/2008 at 10:41 EDT, Mark Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Does it make a difference that Hipersockets are real devices dedicated
to the
z/OS guest and the OSA connection is a VSWITCH? The OSA
On Wednesday, 04/23/2008 at 10:41 EDT, Mark Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Does it make a difference that Hipersockets are real devices dedicated
to the
z/OS guest and the OSA connection is a VSWITCH? The OSA connection on
the
VSWITCH works, the real Hipersockets do not.
Sorry if I
On Tuesday, 04/22/2008 at 03:21 EDT, Mark Pace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But the Hipersockets are a different issue. I attached 3 address,
(even-odd-even) to the guest as the same addresses used on the original
z/OS,
(As an aside, the addresses aren't important to z/OS. He only cares about
Hey, Mark -
Thanks for the reply.
The OSA connections to the internet are on a VSWITCH, the Hipersockets are
not. The Hipersocket connection are 3 real addresses dedicated to the VM
guest.
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Mark Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mark,
Check your VSWITCH
Does it make a difference that Hipersockets are real devices dedicated to
the z/OS guest and the OSA connection is a VSWITCH? The OSA connection on
the VSWITCH works, the real Hipersockets do not.
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 12:08 AM, Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Tuesday, 04/22/2008
I have a z/OS 1.9 system using an OSA to reach the internet and Hipersockets
for LPAR communication.
I then copied this system to a guest under z/VM.
On the guest I attached the z/OS to my VSWITCH, and changed the IP address
then brought up TCPIP on that adapter without problem
, no, there is no published documentation.
For further reading, I recommend the redbook
Hipersockets Implementation Guide (SG24-6816-01)
available in HTML and PDF format at
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246816.html
For a very low level description of how QDIO and iQDIO work for
OSA-Express
On Monday, 01/14/2008 at 12:07 EST, Karl Kingston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Maybe I need to research some more or something but we had the
following:
CHPID F0 has hipersockets 7100-710F defined
CHPID F1 has hipersockets 7200-720F defined.
Just created a Linux system and assigned
The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on
01/14/2008 01:15:53 PM:
On Monday, 01/14/2008 at 12:07 EST, Karl Kingston
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Maybe I need to research some more or something but we had the
following:
CHPID F0 has hipersockets 7100-710F defined
On Monday, 01/14/2008 at 01:44 EST, Karl Kingston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
So you're saying I can have up to 16 hipersocket LAN Segments.
How many hipersockets can I have in a CHPID?
Terminology is ambiguous here, because it gets misused. A HiperSocket
is a CHPID TYPE=IQD (or a z/VM Guest
On Monday, 01/14/2008 at 02:47 EST, Karl Kingston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Last question: Is there any benefit to having hipersockets defined for
VM guest to guest communication? The guests are also all connectde to a
vswitch.I can see the need for hipersockets when you need
The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on
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On Monday, 01/14/2008 at 01:44 EST, Karl Kingston
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So you're saying I can have up to 16 hipersocket LAN Segments.
How many hipersockets can I have in a CHPID?
Terminology
* benefit fr
om
a real HiperSockets connection for that guest and, by association, its
peers. Trying it both ways with *your* workload and measuring throughpu
t
and CPU utilization with your performance monitor is the only real way t
o
find out.
Don't forget that if you do that, you will have to create
On Monday, 01/14/2008 at 03:36 EST, Thomas Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Can a vswitch be created with a hipersocket port instead of an OSA port?
No.
Alan Altmark
z/VM Development
IBM Endicott
On Monday, 01/14/2008 at 03:01 EST, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That would be what Guest LANs are for, or disconnected VSWITCHes. You
can
define Guest LANs in either QDIO or HiperSocket modes. Not too much
benefit of
one type over the other these days. Alan likes disconnected
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Alan Altmark wrote:
Hi,
Because a host requires 3 devices (subchannels) to connect to a
HiperSocket, ...
Why does it need 3 SCs, as in what is the third for?
Is there some (low level) documentation on this?
/bz
--
Bjoern A. Zeeb bzeeb
even addr device: read data device
even+1 device: write data device
some other address: data transfer device
hipersockets and osa qdio both utilize the qdio protocol. I like to think of
the qdio protocol as using whats good about I/Os
(starting and interrupts) while not actually using I/O
On Monday, 01/14/2008 at 06:25 EST, Bjoern A. Zeeb
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because a host requires 3 devices (subchannels) to connect to a
HiperSocket, ...
Why does it need 3 SCs, as in what is the third for?
It uses one subchannel to receive commands from the host (write
control), one
Schuh
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tony Thigpen
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 3:20 PM
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Subject: Re: Hipersockets and security???
You REALLY don't want Alan mad.
(Paraphrased from Bill Bixby
] On
Behalf Of Tony Thigpen
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 9:23 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
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Just for grins,
Are there any young guys out there that needs the Bill Bixby quote
You REALLY don't want to make me mad explained? :-)
Tony Thigpen
Isn't that what he told Eddie in The Courtship of Eddie's Father ;)
Bob Bates
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Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 12:03 PM
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On Friday, 04/13/2007 at 09:55 EST, Rich Smrcina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Maybe Alan and John can stage one for the program close in San Diego...
:) [no comment on who plays which part]
That's *two* remarks lobbed in my general direction in as many days. Don't
make me come over there
You REALLY don't want Alan mad.
(Paraphrased from Bill Bixby.)
Tony Thigpen
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From: Alan Altmark
Sent: 04/14/2007 03:59 PM
On Friday, 04/13/2007 at 09:55 EST, Rich Smrcina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Maybe Alan and John can stage one for the program close in San
On Friday, 04/13/2007 at 08:02 EST, McKown, John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Right. Isn't sort of like doing a move character between LPARs? Or the
use of cross memory moves within a single OS image?
Sort of, yes. This is why HiperSockets data transfers are synchronous.
The data is not buffered
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Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 5:25 PM
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Quoting Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
A certification
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On Thursday, 04/12/2007 at 05:25 EST, Leland Lucius
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:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Hipersockets and security???
Basically, they're saying that it's a communication link so it
has to be encrypted.
Tell them it would be like encrypting the traffic (communication link)
between two cards inside a PC.
Tony Thigpen
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'Nic0 requests packet, allow or disallow?'
David Boyes wrote:
Basically, they're saying that it's a communication link so it
has
Maybe Alan and John can stage one for the program close in San Diego...
:) [no comment on who plays which part]
Mike Walter wrote:
Thanks, Rich - you really made my day with that 'Nic0 requests packet,
allow or disallow?'remark! :-) LOL
I can just picture an IBM-blue commercials put-on
From: Mike Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
and a very, very muscular (after all, we're taking about a
mainframe here!), broad-shouldered, clean-shaven, square-jawed, Adonis
stand-in mainframe geek taking the place of the Apple actor, while
looking perplexed, amused, and incredulous at
Wow, some of us are enjoying this thread way more than we should be.. ;-)
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Well, I think the choice would be obvious... Arnold
Schwarzenegger:-)
DJ
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Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 13:47:07 -0700
From: Mike Walter [mailto:[EMAIL
Okay, I need y'alls help.
I have a security team that is demanding that we encrypt traffic between 2 Linux
guests communicating across real hipersockets.
I admit that my brain sometimes works about as well as a frog wielding a jack
hammer, but isn't it rather ridiculous to encrypt data across
Our Info Sec folks do not consider traffic across CTCA to be vulnerable.
I would suspect the same to hold true for Hipersockets (even though we
aren't using any at the time for VM, so I cannot say for sure).
I suspect that whoever drew up the requirement had not yet outgrown
their ADHD.
Regards
On Thursday, 04/12/2007 at 03:55 EST, Leland Lucius [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Okay, I need y'alls help.
I have a security team that is demanding that we encrypt traffic between
2 Linux
guests communicating across real hipersockets.
I admit that my brain sometimes works about as well
Quoting Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
A certification of what?
Honestly I don't know. Anything that says See, I told you it was secure! :-)
Hipersockets traffic is internal to the box.
Perhaps they are worried about a lack of control on the I/O configuration
(HMC access, dynamic I/O
PM
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Subject: Re: Hipersockets and security???
Quoting Alan Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
A certification of what?
Honestly I don't know. Anything that says See, I told you it was
secure! :-)
Hipersockets traffic is internal to the box.
Perhaps they are worried about
Altmark [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
A certification of what?
Honestly I don't know. Anything that says See, I told you it was secure! :-)
Hipersockets traffic is internal to the box.
Perhaps they are worried about a lack of control on the I/O configuration
(HMC access, dynamic I/O), allowing
On 9/20/06, Ranga Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Strangely some guests show individual address of hipersockets triad
while configuring network via YaST in SLES9. For example, see below:
Again, it is only for some guests.
Have you preserved the even/odd numbering when you map the real QDIO
Strangely some guests show individual address of hipersockets triad
while configuring network via YaST in SLES9. For example, see below:
?? Network cards configuration
? Network card setup? ?Network cards to configure??
? ? ? ?Available
Title: RE: [IBMVM] Hipersockets - problem with some guests
sigh your yast picture was, well, questionable. I suppose I have seen something similar I always choose the low order device (0.0.ec00) and ignore the others. Attached versus dedicate: should not be a difference as longas the devices
for a configuration running both
hipersockets and an OSA connection? I can get VM to ping itself,
but can't get to the z/OS system. When I query my devices, none
show attached to TCPIP. I think this is my problem.
Thanks,
Chuck Kreiter
Lead Systems Programmer
State Auto Insurance
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0600-0602 are OSA devices
0700-0702 are Hipersocket devices.
Mark D Pace
Senior Systems Engineer
Mainline Information Systems
1700 Summit Lake Drive
Tallahassee, FL. 32317
Office: 850.219.5184
Subject: Re: VM Hipersockets
:nick.TCPIP:type.server
:class.stack
:attach.0600-0602,0700-0702
0600-0602 are OSA devices
0700-0702 are Hipersocket devices.
Mark D Pace
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Mainline Information Systems
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