How to copy a disk using a z/Linux guest

2010-08-16 Thread Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Hi I am trying to find out if there is a utility in z/Linux in my case RHEL 5.2 that will allow me to copy a z/Linux formatted disk to another disk. Also do you know if DDR cares rather there is a VTOC on a volume if it is used to backup the volume without a VTOC? Thank You,

Re: How to copy a disk using a z/Linux guest

2010-08-16 Thread McKown, John
I use dd dd if=/dev/... of=/dev/... John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-691-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This

Re: How to copy a disk using a z/Linux guest

2010-08-16 Thread Rich Smrcina
DDR won't care. It will take the VTOC with it. On 08/16/2010 08:29 AM, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) wrote: Hi I am trying to find out if there is a utility in z/Linux in my case RHEL 5.2 that will allow me to copy a z/Linux formatted disk to another disk. Also do you know if DDR

Re: How to copy a disk using a z/Linux guest

2010-08-16 Thread Peter . Webb
DDR doesn't care about VTOCs or anything. It simply copies whatever is there. A very useful trait in many cases. Peter -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) Sent: August 16, 2010 09:30

Re: How to copy a disk using a z/Linux guest

2010-08-16 Thread Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Hi Further explanation. Here is my dilemma in a nut shell: I have a z/Linux volume on a guest that does not have a z/OS VTOC. We typically use DFDSS on z/OS to back the z/Linux disks up and restore them at out DR site. Since this particular guest does not have z VTOC DFDSS cannot open

Re: How to copy a disk using a z/Linux guest

2010-08-16 Thread Macioce, Larry
What about Bacula? Dr Boyes could speak could speak on this point better And you always want to shutdown the guest to get a good backup mace From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)

Re: How to copy a disk using a z/Linux guest

2010-08-16 Thread Hans Rempel
If you have flashcopy on your dasd that may be your best option. Use the vmcp z/Linux module to invoke the FLASHCOPY command. Hans -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Rich Smrcina Sent: August-16-10 9:37 AM To:

Re: How to copy a disk using a z/Linux guest

2010-08-16 Thread RPN01
Flashcopy does not account for any disk buffers linux still has cached and unwritten. It will mitigate the situation where the disk is changing while it is being backed up. All in all, if you're talking about running images, full-pack backups are basically worthless. -- Robert P. Nix

Re: How to copy a disk using a z/Linux guest

2010-08-16 Thread McKown, John
Wouldn't doing a dd in the running Linux guest to a separate disk, then backing up that disk result in a good backup? Assuming that the application has synced its data, of course. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N.

Re: How to copy a disk using a z/Linux guest

2010-08-16 Thread David Boyes
On 8/16/10 10:37 AM, Macioce, Larry larry.maci...@com.state.oh.us wrote: What about Bacula? Dr Boyes could speak could speak on this point better And you always want to shutdown the guest to get a good backup Long term, setting up Bacula would probably be a Good Thing, but probably doesn't

Re: How to copy a disk using a z/Linux guest

2010-08-16 Thread David Boyes
On 8/16/10 10:49 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: Wouldn't doing a dd in the running Linux guest to a separate disk, then backing up that disk result in a good backup? Assuming that the application has synced its data, of course. If you unmount the filesystem you dumped

Re: How to copy a disk using a z/Linux guest

2010-08-16 Thread RPN01
There's a race condition that the dd can't account for. Think of a transaction in a database, where several records are part of a transaction. Each record gets written in turn, and then the transaction is committed. What happens when the dd goes through that section of disk when only two of the

Re: How to copy a disk using a z/Linux guest

2010-08-16 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 08/16/2010 at 10:47 EDT, RPN01 nix.rob...@mayo.edu wrote: Flashcopy does not account for any disk buffers linux still has cached and unwritten. It will mitigate the situation where the disk is changing while it is being backed up. All in all, if you're talking about running

Re: How to copy a disk using a z/Linux guest

2010-08-16 Thread Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Thanks to all for the information this will help prepare backup and recovery processes moving forward: First, we do not count on Full pack backups for our restores normally we use FDRUPSTREAM to backup the guests file systems on a daily and weekly basis, however the guests are still running when

Re: How to copy a disk using a z/Linux guest

2010-08-16 Thread Paul Raulerson
Hi Terry - As a couple other folks have mentioned, dd will work to do that, even if you dump the image out to a tape or a disk file. However, you will need to make sure that no changes are taking place on the disk you are dumping while you are dumping it, which leads back to the same issue as

Re: How to copy a disk using a z/Linux guest

2010-08-16 Thread David Boyes
On 8/16/10 11:10 AM, Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) terry.mar...@cms.hhs.gov wrote: First, we do not count on Full pack backups for our restores normally we use FDRUPSTREAM to backup the guests file systems on a daily and weekly basis, however the guests are still running when this is done

Re: How to copy a disk using a z/Linux guest

2010-08-16 Thread Martin, Terry R. (CMS/CTR) (CTR)
Hi David, Thanks I agree and I have already started working on getting those packs fixed up. Thank You, Terry Martin Lockheed Martin - Citic z/OS and z/VM Performance Tuning and Operating Systems Support Office - 443 348-2102 Cell - 443 632-4191 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM