Kim, this is a really nice job of leading with float:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_YN5MyxYr0
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
Here's another Icelandic in dressage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZvgTaBO94w
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
This is an interesting article; how much does control of your horse
result
in his being smart or dumb?
http://horsesforlife.com/DressageHorsesAreDumb/
Evidently the study indicates that dressage horses are so used to being
controlled and micro-managed, that they are not as smart when
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:17:35 -0700, you wrote:
Mic, can you get us a video of a ride in your area? That would be awesome
to see!..
I'll see what I can do - in the meantime thanks to the wonders of
YouTube
Our favourite beach for riding - Newgale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeW_JtmU66Y
Here's a link to a translation (unofficial) from Walter Feldmann
Katarina Rostock's Islandperde-Reitlehre, also known as the Blue
Bible. It was written about 25 years ago (that's a guess) and is
quite interesting.
Here's another Icelandic in dressage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZvgTaBO94w
Where was that? That didn't look like any dressage test I've ever seen.
What was up with those long, sharp serpentines? That horse was nowhere near
doing that, falling in on the corners, not going straight at
I've attached a couple.
That's a new one on me. I don't think I've ever seen a joint in a ported
bit before. I almost missed that the one in the picture has a joint, but
it's clear when you zoom in.
Karen Thomas, NC
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 06:43:59 -0400, you wrote:
Where was that? That didn't look like any dressage test I've ever seen.
If it was a FIPO dressage class then the rider wrote her own test.
Various movements must be done (see www.feif.org), some can be
included. You don't get higher marks for more
That's a new one on me. I don't think I've ever seen a joint in a ported
bit before. I almost missed that the one in the picture has a joint, but
it's clear when you zoom in.
The snaffle version of that bit (ie with that sort of mouthpiece) is
sold as an answer to horses which put their
This is just the first one that a search on YouTube brought up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMZZAZNkWC8 Note that the circles use the
whole width of the arena, and aren't tight. Most of the work is at trot,
with just a little canter, and some walk.
Here's the test that's one notch up in
If it was a FIPO dressage class then the rider wrote her own test.
Huh? Fipo ALLOWS the rider to write their own test? For the low levels
that Icelandic's are capable of? That is just sooo foreign to me, in the
context of dressage. The purpose is not supposed to be simply to execute
certain
certain maneuvers. The judging is supposed to be on the accuracy of the
test, the quality of the gaits, and certain other basic dressage tenants,
like, forward, straight, supple, etc.
That's how it's judged.
In the first place, how on earth could a judge possibly know if the test is
accurate,
The FIPO was originally written as a rule book for the World
Championships, and it's only in the past few years that it's been extended
to cover classes at a lower level.
I don't understand what you're saying? Are you saying that Icelandic's at
the World Championship levels are doing higher
Thanks Robin, I always call it a double bridle even though I know
better! It was a weird choice, and yes Eloise is using the upper rein
Skye, this is a prime example of why I ask so many questions about your
posts. Yesterday, you said this horse was being started in a double bridle.
Then
Karen:
Can you please drop it now!! You're like a dog with a bone. I don't think
Skye is intentionally trying to confuse anyone about anything. Can we just
move on?
Cherie
Mic,
You actually live in that wonderful setting?
Lucky you!
Nancy
Can you please drop it now!! You're like a dog with a bone. I don't
think Skye is intentionally trying to confuse anyone about anything. Can we
just
move on?
I'm sorry, but if the list is to be a means for people to learn, then I
think terms ARE important, and this has been an on-going
So - float is just a loose lead? Like a dog at heel? and the leash
falling in a J?
Endurance horses have to do that in order to get a good natural trot out for
soundnes. If the lead is taut, you can inhibit their movement.
Nancy
Check out this inspirational video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=STYB-hNmnrQ
Read the extende message. What an inspiration!
Susan in NV
Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/
Fussy?
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Our favourite beach for riding - Newgale
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeW_JtmU66Y
I've been missing the water a lot lately.
Kim
Read the extende message. What an inspiration!
I've never really liked this. I think it's way too hard on a horse to
get up w/ a rider on it's back like that. I don't think I'd ever do
it.
Robyn S
It is in Lee's book on page 89-90, but especially on page 90 in a
shaded box titled Fear or Pretense?
its very good.
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
On 9/4/07, Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Nancy,
Congratulations to you and your parents. In Canada you get a letter from
the Queen on your 60th Wedding Anniversary - my parents did.
if i make it to 60 years with my husband I would expect a letter from
baby jesus.
Janice--
yipie
That is an excellent idea and one I've been meaning to adopt. I think I
will braid the horse's ID tag into his/her mane so that if for some reason,
natural disaster or whatever, the horse is found somewhere without a saddle,
it can still be identified.
In the winter I carry a cell phont
On 9/5/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kim, this is a really nice job of leading with float:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_YN5MyxYr0
i am working on this with Nasi and Tivar and still actually sorta
amazed that it not only works, but seems to work so instantly and so
well it must
Hi Mic,
Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a link to a translation
(unofficial) from Walter Feldmann
Katarina Rostock's Islandperde-Reitlehre, also known as the Blue
Bible. It was written about 25 years ago (that's a guess) and is
quite interesting.
On 9/5/07, susan cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Check out this inspirational video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=STYB-hNmnrQ
Read the extende message. What an inspiration!
wow. wow wow wow.
Janice
yipie tie yie yo
wow, what is that a big lake?! Is it spring fed?? Does it come from
a river? tiv would go ga ga over that :)
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
Hi Sue
I am a new member of the IceHorses group and have missed your photos
here. I would love to see them as I currently have Hungarian horses,
Welcome to the list. You may know that Linda trained Hungarians for
Countess Bessenyey for many years. Linda was promoting the breed which is
why
On 9/5/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So - float is just a loose lead? Like a dog at heel? and the leash
falling in a J?
Endurance horses have to do that in order to get a good natural trot out for
soundnes. If the lead is taut, you can inhibit their movement.
Nancy
yes,
Hi Robyn
I've never really liked this. I think it's way too hard on a horse to
get up w/ a rider on it's back like that. I don't think I'd ever do
it.
I agree, however it looks like this person has some physical issues that
makes mounting difficult which is why they are doing it. I wouldn't
http://lamar.colostate.edu/~ahlgrimm/English/Islandpferdereitlehre_files/ChapterVGaits.pdf
Thanks! Feldmann acknowledges three-gaited Icelandics in the article.
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
Oh Janice, good one. Laughing is a good way to start this day.
Nancy
The snaffle version of that bit (ie with that sort of mouthpiece) is
sold as an answer to horses which put their tongues over the bit (as
opposed to spending the time getting the horse to accept the bit
properly). Betting than tying the tongue down, I suppose...
Mic do you see any trainers
I've been missing the water a lot lately.
I missed the water when we lived in Arizona, being brought up right on the
water on the east coast, and only 15 miles from the ocean on the west coast!
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
I always keep the cell phone on me. I have a holder that velcros on to
my leg at the ankle. It's not the easiest to get to when it rings, but
it doesn't get in the way there.
Good idea!
Susan at Saddle Up Tack has an ankle holder:
On 9/5/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been missing the water a lot lately.
I missed the water when we lived in Arizona, being brought up right on the
water on the east coast, and only 15 miles from the ocean on the west coast!
when I lived in sacramento I missed everything
AWESOME ROBYN!
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
There was someone on the list, Susan, was it you? Who was going to
try to teach the horse to bow and mount from the bow... I remember
saying at the time to be careful cause one time I had jaspar down in a
bow and it was such a precarious position he sorta swayed off balance
and almost landed on
I also didn't see that it was directed at you, Mic.
yes, i think so often we have some from one group and some from this
one and ne're the twain shall meet but I personally feel we all have a
lot to offer one another, a lot to learn from the varying perspectives
and Mic is one who has a lot
I've never really liked this. I think it's way too hard on a horse to
get up w/ a rider on it's back like that. I don't think I'd ever do
it.
Hopefully you'll never need to.
Endurance rider Laurie returns to the trail seven years after rehab from a
spinal cord contusion. Laurie had over 7000
One of our disabled riders on the gaitedhorse list posted her video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ8exDsn-no
Judy
http://icehorses.net
http://clickryder.com
Endurance rider Laurie returns to the trail seven years after rehab from a
spinal cord contusion. Laurie had over 7000 endurance miles before her
accident and was injured in an ATV accident and was originally told she
would never walk again or leave the bed. She is still considered
On 9/3/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://iceryder.net/nevzorov.html
Oh my God. I just watched the beginning of the first video. I am crying.
It's very moving.
Things like this keep us and this list moving towards a better direction, for
the benefit of the horse.
it is
I think that for some of the shorter necked horses, especially if they
have
quite thick throatlatch area, it is important not to ask for too much
flexion as it becomes really difficult for them.
I think that's a good point.
The throatlatch area can be measured with your fingers the
One of our disabled riders on the gaitedhorse list posted her video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ8exDsn-no
That one is really cool.
Karen Thomas
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I have a lot of patience with newbies, and with people who are
sincerely
trying to learn and make progress. I have almost zero tolerance
for trolls,
and for people who intentionally talk in circles. If you aren't a
troll and
aren't intentionally talking in circles, then please, try to be
I've never really liked this. I think it's way too hard on a horse to
get up w/ a rider on it's back like that. I don't think I'd ever do it.
I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, I find it awesomely inspiring that
a person can overcome such an serious injury to ride again. And that a
horse
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you please drop it now!! You're like a dog with a bone.
I don't
think Skye is intentionally trying to confuse anyone about
anything. Can we
just
move on?
I'm sorry, but if the list is to be a means for people to learn,
then I
think
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:02:59 -0400, you wrote:
Are you saying that Icelandic's at
the World Championship levels are doing higher levels of dressage?
That was the idea. But dressage is no longer shown at the WC
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
What I believe you think is all Icelandics trainers are evil and abuse
their horses..I just do not believe that all of them are like that.
There, the simplicity of what I see this past battle started with...
Sigh. I give up.
Karen Thomas, NC
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:29:20 -0500, you wrote:
wow, what is that a big lake?!
It's the sea. In fact, if you carried on straight out from that beach,
you would end up in the US. Bit far though, even for Tivar.
Mic
Mic (Michelle) Rushen
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:23:29 -, you wrote:
I've been missing the water a lot lately.
I just got back from my first go on a sea kayak. Fun! My neighbour has
just started to ride and I've taken him out a few times. He's an
expert kayaker and in return gave me a lesson. The sea is warm, the
sun
-Two
years ago, you posted that Baldur was sterile due to steroid use,
and when
we questioned it back then, you said it is a common problem in ALL
sports,
human and equine. (It's in the archives.) Yesterday, you implied
that he
was only given steroids as a treatment for injuries - not
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:02:37 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
I was wondering if this book is available? I would love to get, I don't read
German but I can pretty much figure it out by a few that I know and the
pictures.
Try googling it. It's probably available on www.amzon.de
Mc
Mic (Michelle)
I totally agree it's not an ideal thing to do,
because of the stress on the horse. I guess at
minimum, I'd only want to see this done in extreme
circumstances,
Once again, something good and inspiring gets blown
apart by a few of the holier than thou on the list.
This is why several people are
Tosca and stephanie are a real pair of heroes :)
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
I live real close to a big beautiful creek and people canoe and kayak
there all the time. I hated canoes, I always turned them over but my
husband is trying to talk me into a kayak trip. I take Tivar down to
the creek by the bridge, all my horses, they walk out in it, stand
there, its about two
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:16:47 -0700, you wrote:
Mic do you see any trainers who work with Icelandics who spend time on
getting a horse to accept the bit (without using nosebands)?
No, not really. The majority seem to go straight from a
headcollar/halter to a bridle with snaffle bit and noseband.
Once again, something good and inspiring gets blown apart by a few of
the holier than thou on the list. This is why several people are on my
automatic delete list. Frankly, I get tired of their constant
negativity and I KNOW for a fact others do, too. Why can't you holier than
thou folks (and
In AQHA show horses (halter) they dont use steroids, they deliberately
breed for HYPP positive animals which bulks muscle mass, and then they
are sick. Its sad.
Janice
--
yipie tie yie yo
On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:26:52 -0500, you wrote:
I hated canoes, I always turned them over but my
husband is trying to talk me into a kayak trip.
This thing is a sea kayak - it's about 7 ft long and 2 ft wide, with
very pointy ends and a flat bottom. I must have turned over about 20
times, but I
Once again, something good and inspiring gets blown
apart by a few of the holier than thou on the list.
This is why several people are on my automatic delete
list. Frankly, I get tired of their constant
negativity and I KNOW for a fact others do, too. Why
can't you holier than thou folks
Susan, Robyn S. has already said that she didn't see the whole message.
In fact, if someone can tell me where to find the extende message, I
can actually read/watch/whatever I'm supposed to do what it is, and
maybe be a part of the conversation, instead of being holier than
thoud. Maybe next
On 9/5/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Most trainers here tend to start out with a Cavesson rather than a
drop noseband. Is it different there?
Mic
They do that here with walking horses, a cavesson, but really tight,
wanting them to keep from getting their tongue over to avoid the
HEY!! LET ME TRY THIS AGAIN! I DID NOT SEE THE NOTE THAT THE WOMAN
WAS A QUADRIPLEGIC !
Get off my case.
Robyn S
hahaha robyn are you having a aag attack :) been there,
done it, got the tee shirt :)
Janice--
yipie tie yie yo
Man the strength of some people amazes me. I feel like such a sissy.
Nancy
I don't have a problem calling my boys ponies.
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck
it's a .DUCK!
--
Laree
The rider is Laurie Ledbetter. The woman behind is her mother, Cherie
Briscoe. Laurie is riding one of Doc's progeny. Doc was the recently
deceased
Arab stallion Cherie owned and rode for decades. Laurie rode Doc as well
before her accident several years ago. Doc is in the AERC Hall of
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck
it's a .DUCK!
unless it's a horse
-
Laree
I just got done watching Parelli's weekly program, I will tape it again
tonight, as it will be on again at 9 PM Central time on RFD-TV, so if you
get that channel, I encourage you to watch him tonight,
I think I lost track of the original question you had about Parelli, Could
you please repeat
Are there any icelandic-style trainers who train for natural gait?
Judy
To answer this question you have to be more spesific with your question.
( don´t hang yourself on my spelling as my
spelling program isn´t still working with my e-mail program)
Regards Malin in Iceland
In a message dated 9/5/2007 12:52:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wr
My first Iclandic mare a cross, was taught to go down like this for me. I
have MS. Now I just get on because I am in remission. I was going to have my
gelding trained to do this also but maybe I will
Forgot to add that I also have my cell phone programmed on speed dial:
9
for 911/1 for my Vet/2 for my huband's work etc. I figure ii I'm needing
to
use my cell in an emergency, I might as well have it as simple as
possible.
Another idea to use with your cell phones when riding or any
At 13:00 4.9.2007, you wrote:
or rehabbed any horses that have been trained the
traditional way?
Ok ,list here we move out on dangerous ground.
Traditional way you always state here and there
,and that always make´s me wonder what are you calling tradititonal?
The importet
Are there any icelandic-style trainers who train for natural gait?
To answer this question you have to be more spesific with your question.
If an Icelandic Horse is more conformed to fox trot, are there trainers who
recognize, encourage, and accept that natural gait for that particular
or rehabbed any horses that have been trained the
traditional way?
Ok ,list here we move out on dangerous ground.
Traditional way you always state here and there
,and that always make´s me wonder what are you calling tradititonal?
Since the word traditional (which supposedly means the way
Mic do you see any trainers who work with Icelandics who spend time on
getting a horse to accept the bit (without using nosebands)?
No, not really. The majority seem to go straight from a
headcollar/halter to a bridle with snaffle bit and noseband.
Interesting.
I can't believe that they all
The rider is Laurie Ledbetter.
Thank you both, Karen and John. I appreciate having some understanding
of the situation.
Robyn S
On 05/09/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All of a sudden, Charm's mane is short and thin and her forelock is gone.
It's been shedding away.
Odd how some horses shed their manes and others don't.
Are you sure someone isn't chewing it?
Solon's mane is nicely chewed down..
Wanda
Are you sure someone isn't chewing it? Solon's mane is nicely chewed
down..
Buck has been practicing his hairdressing skills around here again too.
Karen Thomas
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On 04/09/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The folks at the barn are quite touched by Tosca and her relationship
with her 14 year old owner. Stephanie was brushing her from her seated
position and the owner said, And she's only four years old?
BTW Nancy, I meant to mention that I
On 05/09/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if i make it to 60 years with my husband I would expect a letter from
baby jesus.
Janice--
Snort! Ha...ha...
He'll probably hand it to you himself.
Wanda
BTW Nancy, I meant to mention that I thought the pic of Stephanie leading
Tosca was very sweet. They look like they'll make a good team. Something
we all strive for.
Absolutely!
I know today's thread got blown out of proportion on the subject of the
quadriplegic rider, and I hope no
When I was riding Tali, the grey Arab our grandson owns now, I looked up on
the hill one day and his pony friend had given him a drastic tail trim. I
didn't know whether to laugh or cry. The hair was all lying there in a
heap, but there wasn't a lot I could do about it. Tali looked pretty silly
Our daughter and family live on the other side of the mountain from us - not
cell service there either. But there's excellent service at our house (25
miles from town) and also up on the mountain where we ride.
The truly cool thing for me, however, was broad band internet. Thank you
Lord!
John,
Did you ever see the triathalete who competed with a young adult son in the
Iron Man competition? We were both moved to tears, both by the dad's
devotion and the son's joy.
Nancy
We haven't firgured out how to get Stephanie up on Tosca. When she was
involved in a therapeutic riding program, they were using a special ramp
that allowed wheelchair users to drive up to the level of a horse's back,
then step down into the saddle. They even had grab bars. I liked the way
the
Our friends may be building a ramp for their daughter. I think we will let
them figure it out and test drive it, then troubleshoot from their
experience.
I just had a thought. I wonder if we could train Tosca to stand for the
use of a patient lift - like a Hoyer. She's so good, I'll bet we
Nancy, I've seen a two-sided structure where one side is a ramp that a
wheelchair can climb with room for a helper, and the other side is
wide enough for a another helper to stand on to assist the rider into
the saddle. The horse was standing quietly between the two
structures. There was also a
I just had a thought. I wonder if we could train Tosca to stand for the
use of a patient lift - like a Hoyer. She's so good, I'll bet we could
just
float Stephanie over the top like Mary Martin doing Peter Pan.
Absolutely. I didn't suggest that, not knowing if you had one or wanted to
The only Dorrance book I have is True Unity by Tom Dorrance. I'd love to
see that photo. How was Tom D getting himself into the saddle?
We do have a patient life, although we rarely use it. Stephanie can
transfer herself by standing briefly, Ronnie can do a sliding transfer, I
sort of slide
Here's a therapy horse ramp.
Judy
http://icehorses.net
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On 05/09/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was going to take pictures one day of Stephanie standing to groom Tosca. I
put the vaulting surcingle on, thinking Steph could hold herself up with one
hand and brush with the other. Everything went wrong and Stephanie went
sliding feet
That sounds like a very good plan.
Here are a couple of links someone on another list found to adaptive
saddles.
http://www.photographsbydawn.com/saddleshop/cjsaddle.html
http://www.freedomrider.com/saddlFR2.html?gclid=CLnNzI-1tY0CFQQ3OAodMR6FMQ
I particularly like the looks of the second one.
We haven't firgured out how to get Stephanie up on Tosca.
Anyone have any great ideas?
Nancy
Nancy,
I would encourage you to look at the NARHA (North American Riding for the
Handicapped) website www.narha.org .
There is also a Yahoo group called Theraputic Riding.
--- Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if we could train Tosca to stand for the
use of a patient lift - like a Hoyer. She's so
good, I'll bet we could just float Stephanie over
the top
That would probably work, and since Tosca is used to a
WC, I'll bet it would only take 15
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The rider is Laurie Ledbetter.
Wow, hearing her story makes it even more
inspirational! When I first saw this video, it moved
me to tears. Which is why I got so upset by some of
the negative comments.
Folks, please find something else to snipe about.
Said way
Thanks, Judy.
That certainly looks workable. Although, with the power chair, we'd
probably need to omit the cross pieces. It doesn't roll on its own.
Nancy
Thanks, Karen. That's good information.
Nancy
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