On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:01 AM, Kaaren Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
picture of the endurance stirrup hanger
Look on my web-site:kaarenjordan.com. I think it's under Sensation pictures
or accessories. My husband just revamped my siteso you may have to hunt
around a bit.
Found it!
Watching this on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBZnWLpfQt0
They say a horse type may be capable of 'dry' aggression--what's that?
V
--
Whether you think you can or you think you cannot, you are right. (Henry
Ford)
Virginia Tupper
NB, Canada
They say a horse type may be capable of 'dry' aggression--what's that?
I've never heard that expression. I wonder if it is what we would call
passive aggressive?
Nancy
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 04:52:43PM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote:
i dont really care that horses do this or not. 99% of all redneckers
field trial horses ground tie like the rock of gibraltor and would not
even dream of moving even a hair while being mounted. but most are
trained to do it by
And I could feel Rosa's back lift slightly under me as she rotated *her*
pelvis and brought her back legs underneath to do a perfect paso llano
(rack).
There's a lot more to collection than lifting the back slightly, and I
think that's what Judy is saying. There's no reason for one
Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti:
Don't get caught up in arguing. Some members are merely looking to hear
themselves talk, and some need desperately to have someone engage with them.
They want to be heard, and the only way they feel they can accomplish that
is to say something
At least with Peruvians, what is highly desirable when gaiting -- ie.,
enough reach with the back legs such it is stepping under the saddle
area and is capping or, even better, overstepping by up to 12 inches the
front hoof prints, really doesn't happen if the horse is ventroflexed,
Oh,
my medi cheval pad seems to work pretty good, and the hard use
stirrups in combo with a fitting breast collar seems to have stopped
the slipping problem entirely which I have experienced with every
treeless I have ever owned, several brands.
Janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
I think we're using the wrong word in this case. I think contain is a
better word.
Gaited horse trainers incorrectly use the word collect, but they mean
gather up the horse for the frame that is necessary for the gait.
They are speaking from a position of *riding the horse's face*, pulling
On 3/27/08, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Watching this on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBZnWLpfQt0
They say a horse type may be capable of 'dry' aggression--what's that?
V
he has some interesting notions but I see some flaws, my Jaspar for
instance, could be
On 3/26/08, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It was fairly windy here tonight...
Wanda
HAHAHAHA it is parting his hair!
Janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
I love that photo!! Looks like a updo for a party! ;p]
Raven
Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze
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Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all
They say a horse type may be capable of 'dry' aggression--what's that?
I've never heard it either, and great, just what we need: another
non-standard horse term!
Come to think of it, maybe it's what we see when Janice combines her
sometimes very dry wit in her moments of sheer frustration...
On 3/26/08, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tonight Gusti gave Dave his first pony ride in a very long time...
Wanda
man, wanda, what is the deal, all of a sudden all your horses look
huge. How tall is Dave?? Tho he is longlegged he looks totally
balanced in ht/wt for Gusti!
she thinks it is a heiroglyphic and she is reading it thinking, ok,
the pony stood for picture taking, then rode with a bareback pad, then
was led on a walk...
janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
I knew a lady whose teen son showed AQHA western pleasure. She paid
3,000 for one of those dripping in silver show saddles. Then she
started muttering about how awful it was and I wriggled out of her the
problem... it had an equitation seat, was a western saddle, circle Y
I think with an
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I clicked on another one in the lineup and oh my gosh
I have never seen anything so nutty! If anybody wants a good laugh at
what a crazy euro thinks a NH training method is click here:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if it is what we would call
passive aggressive?
Sounds logical.
V
Oh, I betcha I could find some horses who can overstride with hollow
backs!
Me too - ride him several days a week.
Nancy
On 27/03/2008, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
man, wanda, what is the deal, all of a sudden all your horses look
huge. How tall is Dave?? Tho he is longlegged he looks totally
balanced in ht/wt for Gusti! Gusti looks big and long backed like
Teev!
Oh Gusti has probably grown
I experienced dry aggression when I was training Corrie in trailer
loading. She took the target, turned on her HQ and marched back to the
feed room. Only time I've seen her do a decent walk. She knew where she
was headed.
Sue UK
Judy do you write these things as an answer to something that has
never reached the list or because of discussion that actually is on the
list? Because to me they sometimes seem like they come in a time when
nothing special has been happening.
I certainly can't and don't speak for Judy,
The endurance set up eliminates the pressure from the stirrup attachment at
the top which is triangulated through the internal rigging via the hard use
buckle with hard use. Putting it at the bottom eliminates any top pressure.
The downside is that it restricts leg swing/movement..which can be a
On Mar 27, 2008, at 4:21 AM, Karen Thomas wrote:
At least with Peruvians, what is highly desirable when gaiting --
ie.,
enough reach with the back legs such it is stepping under the saddle
area and is capping or, even better, overstepping by up to 12
inches the
front hoof prints, really
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here's another type of bitless bridle:
http://www.lgbridle.com/
From the page describing it:
With tension on the reins the little wheel turns, shortening the nose
band and curb chain, and finally the headpiece of the
I have been watching Stans videos on his website, the ones about the
Holar training. The first one, brings up many questions. The horse
seems very very very green, like horses I have started that had not
much contact at all with humans, not like my Nasi, for instance, who
is practically human.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Susan Coombes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I experienced dry aggression when I was training Corrie in trailer
loading. She took the target, turned on her HQ and marched back to the
feed room. Only time I've seen her do a decent walk. She knew where she
was headed.
Raven, I assumed this was going to be some sort of tax self-help
guideline, but it looks quite specific, with no explanation...? Did you
just send your personal tax information to the list?
Karen Thomas, NC
A long legged, long backed horse like the TWHs or MFTs could maybe pull
it off, but we were talking about ventroflexion being necessary fot
gait.
Just as with the opposite extreme (collection), ventroflexion comes in
degrees. A horse doesn't have to have an obvious ewe-neck, sagging belly
On 3/27/08, Kaaren Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The endurance set up eliminates the pressure from the stirrup attachment at
the top which is triangulated through the internal rigging via the hard use
buckle with hard use. Putting it at the bottom eliminates any top pressure.
The downside
I think that it depends who you talk to and the way it is done. Diana
Sept and Peggy Cummings have the experience that horses do not have to
be, nor
should be, ventroflexed to gait.
Ventroflexion and collection both occur in varying degrees. Most of us
realize (I hope) that trot
http://www.lgbridle.com/
really would effect anything. I would also want to see how active
the curb chain is. Has anyone seen one of these?
I didn't poke around the site very much, but the videos were in German,
weren't they?
Is this an American or European product?
Judy
http://www.lgbridle.com/
With tension on the reins the little wheel turns, shortening the nose
band and curb chain, and finally the headpiece of the bridle, giving
the rider just the right amount of control.
Leverage has worked it's way into bitless!
Well, I guess the mechanical
and define spanish descent florida cracker horses are spanish
descent, Spotted saddle horses, walking horses too arent they?? I
thought gait originated in spain for all gaited breeds but bearing in
mind I probably heard that when I stayed at the holiday inn ...
Janice
--
even good horses
On 3/27/08, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:33:39 -0500, you wrote:
ride in the fron that it made his testicles hurt after riding it even
the briefest time in the show ring.
Hell, if I paid that much for a saddle for a boy and he complained, I
think I would cut
that said, i do not know how horses are trained to do this; i
discovererd it entirely by accident (stjarni also loves having his ears
petted and played with better than anything)
well see Vicka? This frustrates me. How can you brag on how someone
trained your horse when you have no
Hi Lynn
At least with Peruvians, what is highly desirable when gaiting -- ie.,
enough reach with the back legs such it is stepping under the saddle
area and is capping or, even better, overstepping by up to 12 inches
the front hoof prints, really doesn't happen if the horse is
ventroflexed,
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 07:06:34AM -0700, Kaaren Jordan wrote:
The endurance set up eliminates the pressure from the stirrup attachment at
the top which is triangulated through the internal rigging via the hard use
buckle with hard use. Putting it at the bottom eliminates any top pressure.
On Mar 27, 2008, at 8:15 AM, Janice McDonald wrote:
and define spanish descent florida cracker horses are spanish
descent, Spotted saddle horses, walking horses too arent they?? I
thought gait originated in spain for all gaited breeds but bearing in
mind I probably heard that when I
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:40 AM, Wanda Lauscher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It was fairly windy here tonight...
LOL! That's so cute!
V
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Leverage has worked it's way into bitless!
And the optional shanks make for more leverage?
V
The very first spotted horses were brought to America by Cortez and
SSHBEA (spotted saddle horse) descended from spanish ponies, the
real ssh's are short cobby very naturally gaited definitely pony
type horses. My friend Sylvias SSH mare is only 13.3hh and stocky.
Some say the long long wavey
On Mar 27, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Robyn Hood wrote:
Sec. 1. Advance and Overstep Advance refers to a long fluid stride
which easily covers ground. Overstep denotes the reach of the hind legs
which should reach well under the horse with very little hock action
either up or sideways. The preferred
Florida Cracker horses are pure Spanish (Barb, Jennet) -- they were
brought from the islands by the Spanish settlers in Florida
That 100% pure anything ancestry claim doesn't impress me too much, with any
breed. Icelandic's are 100% pure for 1000 years (approximately) and gosh,
see the
Good lord..see that is what happens when you are up late into the nite!
I think the term I was looking for was gathering up,
when it came to my MFT. I got the two works confused.
Lorraine
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Is that your horse Mic? OMG!!! Can I teach my horse
to do that? Or do they have to know it already.
Scooter is 16
Lorraine
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Leverage has worked it's way into bitless!
And the optional shanks make for more leverage?
Yes.
It's control, domination; versus a two-way communication; horsemanship.
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
i wonder if I could get a tax write off for those emu eggs I got off
ebay and they didnt hatch.
Janice--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Gorgeous Lorraine, what a view! The desert is nice too! but that ted
is really something :)
Janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You might say we made some progress toward
collection, but that term
simply isn't used until the degree of collection
has advanced well beyond
anything we're talking about here - even with my
3-gaited horse.
I did have a beautiful collected
--- Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:58:33 -0700, you wrote:
At least with Peruvians, what is highly desirable
when gaiting -- ie.,
enough reach with the back legs such it is stepping
under the saddle
area and is capping or, even better, overstepping
by up
wonder if I could get a tax write off for those emu eggs I got off
ebay and they didnt hatch.
If this is your buinessthen yes. It would be a loss. Raven
--- Kaaren Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you can get used to the endurance stirrup
attachment, it is the best for any kind of distance
riding according to Dana.
I do not find my hard use stirrups restricting in the
least. I am probably one of those that likes the
keeping my leg in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti:
as a rider and teacher i have one thing i LOVE LOVE LOVE about the fixed
stirrups: they stay where they are when you drop your stirrups. so if
you are working without stirrups (say to get one leg a long way back
for a hind-end cue without a whip, or to practice
Kaaren, could you e-mail me privately about the cost
of a new pad with inserts (1/2, I think??) and new
pads for my saddle. Thanks,
me too Kaaren. I can claim it on my taxes. just kidding. about the
last part. not the first part.
Janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
what happens if your horse runs into a saguarro??? Do you have to get
off and pull the little stickers all out?? We have prickly pear
cactus and the whole trail ride has to stop when a horse goes thru
that, the spines can go four inches deep and then to pull them off you
get these little hairs
On Mar 27, 2008, at 8:57 AM, Karen Thomas wrote:
Florida Cracker horses are pure Spanish (Barb, Jennet) -- they
were
brought from the islands by the Spanish settlers in Florida
That 100% pure anything ancestry claim doesn't impress me too much,
with any
breed. Icelandic's are 100%
Plus, I didn't think you could do true collection in speed?
There is an old and true saying in serious dressage circles: Speed is the
enemy of collection. So, yep, Susan, you're right on the mark.
I get the feeling that some people have made the incorrect progression that
collection is
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From Stan:
I accept with pleasure!
Thanks a lot, all.
Stan
area and is capping or, even better, overstepping
by up to 12 inches
the front hoof prints, really doesn't happen if the
horse is
ventroflexed
But it certainly DOES happen in competition
tolt. although tolt is
not collected.
Here's my question: do people THINK it is collected
Yes, BW mare 17 years old. SC Flekur (?) x Sc Feline. Do you know
her? If so, can you fill us in on part of her story?
She came without any papers -- lost in the rescue?? I am going to
try to get new papers issued, does any one have any experience with
this?
I thought SC Flekkur
Yeah. He is a doll. Just a friend. He took his
shirt off when we rode last. Sorry. No pics :(
oh, i was hoping he was the naked sunbather.
Janice
--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
(http://www.florecita.com/avenal.htm) as an example. Cranking the head
up is false collection g.
i think it is forced ventroflexion!
Janice--
even good horses have bad days sometimes.
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi
I just got home from England and got a new computer - some corruption in
my
other one. It came with Vista but I promptly had it changed back to XP.
I got a new computer last fall with Vista and have had very few
I thought SC Flekkur sounded familiar and so checked my registration
papers. He is the Dam's Sire of my horse, SC Frami, otherwise known
as Magic...
Yes, SC Flekkur is the grandsire of my Flekka and Trausti, and is the sire
of the little gelding I once owned, Reddi. I've heard
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:57:08 -0400, you wrote:
Icelandic's are 100% pure for 1000 years (approximately) and gosh,
see the variation we see in the gaits and conformation within this breed!
I think much of that is to do with the fact that due to their
isolation, they were needed for so many
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:11:36 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
Is that your horse Mic? OMG!!! Can I teach my horse
to do that? Or do they have to know it already.
Scooter is 16
No, not my horse. I'm sure the right trainer could teach Scooter to do
it - not sure how much he would enjoy it though.
Mic
Hi Ferne,
hought SC Flekkur sounded familiar and so checked my registration
papers. He is the Dam's Sire of my horse, SC Frami, otherwise known as
Magic...
Interesting!
Robyn should know about all those that sound like they are from her
place...
Are these two different sets of horses? I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YihiiWKFKH8
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
Plus, of course, the whole isolated for a 1000 years thing is yet
another myth
Point taken!
Karen Thomas, NC
Are these two different sets of horses? I don't think I have sold many,
if any, horses that have Flekkur as the sire
He is little Reddi's sire - remember Reddi?
Karen Thomas, NC
Our friends had their disabled daughter on her Icelandic three weeks
after they bought her. She was three. They have been politely
disapproving that
I have spent so much time with Tosca. They just can't fathom that I don't
think she's ready for Stephanie. But I've ridden their mare.
Here's my question: do people THINK it is collected
because the horse's head and neck are cranked up and
back, and then when pushed for speed, of course the
horse is stepping under itself, because the front is
held back so much. But that is not a round-backed
collection.
I think they
Hi Karen,
Of course, I just knew that I didn't have very many from Flekkur - can't
think of who else besides Reddi but there could have been a couple.
Robyn
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:08 PM, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
this is it for this week, I swear :)
You can send all of those kind of pics you want - gorgeous!
--
Laree in NC
Doppa Mura
Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang)
Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to
Hi Nancy,
Just read your post about the AERC and GAHR reunion. How fun is that. Who
wrote the post on RideCamp? I will forward this to Linda as she will enjoy
it.
Thanks
Robyn
Janice:
The pad I would rec.for your weight climate would be the Skito
Dryback/100% wool bottom/with 3/4 FIRM foam with 1/4 felt liners. I don't
think you need new internal panels yet as your saddle is about 1 year old.
Some people in your climate do really well with the Sensation Nomad liner
I heard the dogs barking like crazy about an hour ago. I looked out and
they were looking off in the woods, out towards the trail head. I assumed
they were upset over a deer as usual. I went on out to the pasture to look
in on the mares, and almost an hour later, I caught glimpse of a bay
That's our Mic - always cuts to the chase.
Nancy
Okay Lorraine. That's enough.
We just got back from riding. It was a sunny 35 degrees. We hit snow a
mile from the barn and I still have my down jacket on in the house.
Nancy
I may be in MA for the Memorial week; if anyone wants me to stop by, let me
know.
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 06:32:12PM +0200, Skise wrote:
as a rider and teacher i have one thing i LOVE LOVE LOVE about the fixed
stirrups: they stay where they are when you drop your stirrups.
[...]
For me that's just why I dislike the fixed stirrups. If I want to work
without stirrups
From Sarah:
Hi everyone,
This is a reminder that the information session/meet-and-greet will be
this Saturday, March 29 at 1pm in Dedham, MA (meeting is for humans only- no
horses please). If you think you might attend but have not yet RSVP'd,
please RSVP to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I
The only horse I own that I can brag on training 100% is my tivar,
trained by Shirley and Karen at her house in NC. That Shirley with her
quiet kindness and know how to teach a horse what it needs firmly and
quietly combined with Karen's will and enthusiasm about getting inside a
horse's
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 12:48:03PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote:
I may be in MA for the Memorial week; if anyone wants me to stop by, let me
know.
let me know if you'd like to come meet stjarni and me! (and if we are
VERY lucky, my husband may have a second icey by then as well :)
bring yer own
So dry aggression would be like passive aggressive behavior?
V
Well, compared to stomping on my foot and leaving it was more passive.
I'll have a look at Hempfling's book again and see if he explains it.
Sue Uk
you should see him now, he is what donny calls calmatose, only donny
isnt making a joke, he thinks thats how it is spelled and pronounced.
People will say wow, Tivar is sure a quiet horse and Donny will reply
in all seriousness, oh yeah, he's calmatose most of the time. My
Donny is dyslexic and
On Mar 27, 2008, at 10:04 AM, Janice McDonald wrote:
(http://www.florecita.com/avenal.htm) as an example. Cranking the
head
up is false collection g.
i think it is forced ventroflexion!
Janice--
Excuse me? Forced how? Those reins are loose and the horse carries
himself in the same
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1HoGFbkBuw
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA2ZKnL6B8M
Judy
http://iceryder.net
http://clickryder.com
--- Lynn Kinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Excuse me? Forced how?
I think she was referencing your statement that
cranking the head in is forced collection - your statement.
Susan in NV
http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness
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Hi Susan
That's going to take some time. I just spoke to Carol Brett of balance
saddles. She may be able to come next week. I got more out of her in 5
mins on the phone than out of my saddle fitter.
I have 5 Balance Saddles, 2 Zenith, 1 Matrix, 2 Soft Options. I have to say
that I use the
Hi Karen,
To me,
this is just another example of where moderation is a good thing. I don't
want my horses star-gazing and ewe-necked, but I don't have any need for
passage or piaffe or levade either! There's a lot of good that can
happen in the middle of these extremes, and that's where
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Kaaren Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
very close to the Burr Pad which
is no longer available.
Why isn't the Burr pad available anymore? Is there something to replace it?
V
(http://www.florecita.com/avenal.htm) as an example. Cranking the
head
up is false collection g.
i think it is forced ventroflexion!
Janice--
Excuse me? Forced how? Those reins are loose and the horse carries
himself in the same way at liberty.
you misunderstood. cranking
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Skise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] kirjoitti:
Don't get caught up in arguing. Some members are merely looking to hear
themselves talk, and some need desperately to have someone engage with
them. They want to be heard, and the
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Skise [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Judy do you write these things as an answer to something that has never
reached the list or because of discussion that actually is on the list?
Because to me they sometimes seem like they come in a time when nothing
special
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think many of us
native-English speakers probably know EXACTLY what Judy is talking about,
from some posts that DO go through.
I guess I'm just a naive Canadian because I don't know what you're
talking about!
V
So beautiful!! Thanks for the small peek at your world. Love it.
Raven
Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies
Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies
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