Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-02-07 Thread pj
[talking about what kids do with laptops] Watch and share p0rn? I think it is right Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: incidentally, a few years ago i was in khajuraho, and was amazed to see children from nearby villages saving precious rupees so they could pay rs 15 or whatever

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-02-03 Thread Linux Lingam
On Feb 1, 2008 10:58 AM, नोरत [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01/02/2008, Dinesh Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H! On Feb 1, 2008 10:41 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more to the point is that the people who question what a uneducated poor child would do with a laptop are

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-02-01 Thread Anil Seth
Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 10:33:10 +0530 From: vivek v [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Feb 1, 2008 10:17 AM, Sriram J

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-02-01 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 01-Feb-08, at 12:11 PM, Sriram J wrote: Electricity Minister Arcot N. Veerasamy insists that the government has initiated 'adequate steps' to tide over the power crisis you should believe what the govt says - steps have been taken. Anyway, that is besides the point. All problems will

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-02-01 Thread pj
[Dinesh wrote] Same attitude... Let us give them roti, kapada aur makan (Which is same as Garibi Hatao Abhiyan. ). They really don't need education and information. Education and information is not equal to one laptop per person. Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if u can tell me

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-02-01 Thread Sriram J
How about empowering them with education and information with electronic devices so that they can make their own roti, kapada aur makan, instead of depending on GOV and NGOs philanthropy's? Please explain how one laptop will improve living conditions or help them earn some money so they can

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-02-01 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 01-Feb-08, at 3:09 PM, Sriram J wrote: How about empowering them with education and information with electronic devices so that they can make their own roti, kapada aur makan, instead of depending on GOV and NGOs philanthropy's? Please explain how one laptop will improve living

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-02-01 Thread vivek v
On Feb 1, 2008 3:27 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01-Feb-08, at 3:09 PM, Sriram J wrote: How about empowering them with education and information with electronic devices so that they can make their own roti, kapada aur makan, instead of depending on GOV and NGOs

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-02-01 Thread Sriram J
. And what good is a TV for a person who has hardly enough to eat? The answer to your question would be found in the french revolution.(Let them have cake) i think that's why the article is titled Let them have laptops. ___ ilugd mailinglist --

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-02-01 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 01-Feb-08, at 3:45 PM, Sriram J wrote: . And what good is a TV for a person who has hardly enough to eat? The answer to your question would be found in the french revolution. (Let them have cake) actually the answer to my question is found in the slums of chennai and it is not what

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-02-01 Thread tirveni yadav
IE Article by Atanu Dey , 1st February 2008 Some points raised by the author: [Author] 1) The Technology can only address the technology aspects for the problem. Sociological Problem:Tech solutions won't help and may make the problems worse =It is failure of India State in last 60 years ,that it

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-02-01 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 01-Feb-08, at 3:55 PM, vivek v wrote: villages dont have electricity. And what good is a TV for a person who has hardly enough to eat? Great Points. They do need something different to play with. What is the Value generated here, How far is localization reached? how many actually use

[ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread vivek v
You can find it at: 'Let them have laptops' The IndianExpress ePaper - Digital replica of Print Edition. I do not completely agree to this article.But I thought this would be good to discuss this as an precursor to freed.in and would be an interesting read. Cheers Vivek -- Cell Number

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread V Vivek
vivek v [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can find it at: 'Let them have laptops' The IndianExpress ePaper - Digital replica of Print Edition. I do not completely agree to this article.But I thought this would be good to discuss this as an precursor to freed.in and would be an interesting

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread Sriram J
You can find it at: 'Let them have laptops' The IndianExpress ePaper - Digital replica of Print Edition. I do not completely agree to this article.But I thought this would be good to discuss this as an precursor to freed.in and would be an interesting read. The point to consider

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread vivek v
On Feb 1, 2008 10:17 AM, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can find it at: 'Let them have laptops' The IndianExpress ePaper - Digital replica of Print Edition. I do not completely agree to this article.But I thought this would be good to discuss this as an precursor to

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 01-Feb-08, at 10:33 AM, vivek v wrote: The point to consider here is wheter a laptop in the hands of an uneducated poor child is going to significantly alter his life. will it prevent him from dropping out of school or help him get a college degree. We are talking about OLPC

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread Dinesh Shah
H! On Feb 1, 2008 10:41 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more to the point is that the people who question what a uneducated poor child would do with a laptop are also people who have laptops. :-) Protecting their own class or elite club and erecting barriers to prevent

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread नोरत
On 01/02/2008, Dinesh Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H! On Feb 1, 2008 10:41 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more to the point is that the people who question what a uneducated poor child would do with a laptop are also people who have laptops. :-) Protecting their own

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread Sriram J
Incidently what do most educated rich children do with their laptops? Watch and share p0rn? ;-) I think it is right since you think it is right and you are rich enough i presume you watch and share p0rn. ___ ilugd mailinglist --

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread नोरत
On 01/02/2008, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidently what do most educated rich children do with their laptops? Watch and share p0rn? ;-) I think it is right since you think it is right and you are rich enough i presume you watch and share p0rn. i am not rich enough

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread Sriram J
The point to consider here is wheter a laptop in the hands of an uneducated poor child is going to significantly alter his life. will it prevent him from dropping out of school or help him get a college degree. We are talking about OLPC serving this purpose in two ways. Children

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 01-Feb-08, at 11:47 AM, Sriram J wrote: so the plan is to give people laptops without thinking about building the required infrastructure. what infrastructure is needed for a laptop? and 'poor and uneducated' !== dumb -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On 01-Feb-08, at 11:52 AM, Sriram J wrote: that is a very good reason for giving them cheap laptops i will now ask who is going to provide them un interrupted electricy like in the cities. i dont know where you live, but here all villages have un-interrupted electricity unlike in the

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread Sriram J
they may not be dumb but to be able to use thier laptop skills to improve thier lives they need a lot more than a laptop. like roti kapda and makan. i left out the electricity required to run the laptop because it should be obvious. On 2/1/08, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread Sriram J
i dont know where you live, but here all villages have un-interrupted electricity unlike in the cities Tamil Nadu is reeling under one of the worst power shortages in recent years Electricity Minister Arcot N. Veerasamy insists that the government has initiated 'adequate steps' to tide

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread Dinesh Shah
On Feb 1, 2008 12:01 PM, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: they may not be dumb but to be able to use thier laptop skills to improve thier lives they need a lot more than a laptop. like roti kapda and makan. i left out the electricity required to run the laptop because it should be obvious.

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread Sriram J
Same attitude... Let us give them roti, kapada aur makan (Which is same as Garibi Hatao Abhiyan. ;-)). They really don't need education and information. :-) Education and information is not equal to one laptop per person. if u can tell me how one lap top will give you education i will

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread Dinesh Shah
On Feb 1, 2008 12:58 PM, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Education and information is not equal to one laptop per person. if u can tell me how one lap top will give you education i will gladly read . if your roti and makan is taken away and u are given electronic devices instead will

Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops

2008-01-31 Thread Gora Mohanty
Hi, I also just read the article that Vivek refers to, and believe that it bears thinking about. It is a serious question to which there are no easy answers, and it would be good to have a real discussion, instead of short reactionary messages. On one hand, why should the poor be deprived of