2008/6/2 Raj Mathur raju at linux-delhi.org:
Some people (including me) are neutral to code that doesn't run on their
primary processor. For instance, I'd complain if you gave me a
non-free driver for my WiFi card, but I wouldn't if you gave me a free
driver that downloads a binary
2008/6/2 Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I will
reiterate that a GPL violation is a very serious matter, and
one in which the FSF, and people like Eben Moglen would be
very interested. Could someone please demonstrate that such
has happened?
FSF and/or Eben can act only in cases where the
On Monday 02 Jun 2008, Praveen A wrote:
2008/6/2 Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Some people (including me) are neutral to code that doesn't run on
their primary processor. For instance, I'd complain if you gave me
a non-free driver for my WiFi card, but I wouldn't if you gave me a
free
2008/6/3 Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
When the owner of the code has the ability to control code and the
user is left at mercy of the owner the issue of Freedom comes.
Well, yes and no. By that token you also have to condemn firmware that
sits permanently on the card (in ROM), in addition
PJ wrote:
Doesn't the blob have the privilege to do horrid things to
a running kernel (crash, compromise, expose stuff?)
Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know if the above is true - I don't know kernel internals.
But unverifiable code with kernel privileges is not a
Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[about me saying that Linus needs to ensure GPL compatible code]
Huh? How so? You are now making a claim that has not been voiced so
far, namely that this is somehow in violation of the GPL.
Linus is committed to GPL V2 for the kernel. So he is obliged
On Monday 02 Jun 2008, PJ wrote:
[snip]
I think it is a GPL violation since a decent coder can't figure out
how to modify the disputed code that is distributed with the kernel,
unlike the original coder. So there is no way you can say it is a
preferred form of source in the GPL sense for the
On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:33:14 + (UTC)
PJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[about me saying that Linus needs to ensure GPL compatible code]
Huh? How so? You are now making a claim that has not been voiced so
far, namely that this is somehow in violation
Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Some people (including me) are neutral to code that doesn't run on their
primary processor. For instance, I'd complain if you gave me a
non-free driver for my WiFi card, but I wouldn't if you gave me a free
driver that downloads a binary blob to the
On Monday 02 Jun 2008, PJ wrote:
Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Some people (including me) are neutral to code that doesn't run on
their primary processor. For instance, I'd complain if you gave me
a non-free driver for my WiFi card, but I wouldn't if you gave me a
free driver that
On Monday 02 Jun 2008, Gora Mohanty wrote:
[snip]
Not so. As I understand it various portions of the kernel are
released under various licences, and it is possible to have
something like this under the GPLv2.
Er, no -- the whole kernel is GPLv2, and Linus has refused to migrate it
to GPLv3
Niyam wrote:
unless, are we supposed to merely agree with all-things linus, the
pied-piper on the gates of dawn?
Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know how starkly I can say this, but I will try: Linus
doesn't owe anyone shit
[snip]
Well, actually, he does. If he's
On Sat, 31 May 2008 06:55:50 + (UTC)
PJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Niyam wrote:
unless, are we supposed to merely agree with all-things linus, the
pied-piper on the gates of dawn?
Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't know how starkly I can say this, but I will try:
PJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Niyam wrote:
unless, are we supposed to merely agree with all-things linus, the
pied-piper on the gates of dawn?
Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
snip
Guys, am taking the liberty to comment and explain as below.
Please feel free to cross-check my
[snip]
I think you're right, but there're so many devices which requires
firmware to be uploaded at runtime. I never thought that my Intel
ethernet card requires a non-free binary blob to function properly. I
thought I am running a complete free software (binary blob-free except
BIOS) based
2008/5/30 Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
okay, time for me to go check some popular new videos on youtube using
the flash plug-in in firefox,
gnash works with youtube videos.
fiddle with that nvidia plug-in,
I have Intel graphics card with Free driver providing accelerated graphics.
2008/5/28 Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
. But do you care if you don't have to
flash firmware from the software, but rather it is pre-programmed into
the hardware. And what difference does it make, from firmware being
loaded at runtime, or flashed at the time of manufacture ?
2008/5/28 Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
try to put together the resources to fork the Linux kernel.
There is already one - it is called deblob
http://www.fsfla.org/svn/fsfla/software/linux-libre/scripts/
I don't know how starkly I can say this, but I will try: Linus
doesn't owe anyone shit,
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Praveen A writes:
Praveen 2008/5/28 Ashish Shukla आशीष शुक्ल [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
. But do you care if you don't have to
flash firmware from the software, but rather it is pre-programmed into
the hardware. And what difference does it
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
dear all,
[snip]
The official vanilla Linux kernel from Linus that gets distributed
on kernel.org has non-free[1] software in it.
click on the above url to discover more,
and of course, search the web for more, if you
On Wed, 28 May 2008 21:49:35 +0530
Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
apart from PJ and arun, no response yet from the community on this.
wow! so much for endlessly and passionately debating value-systems
around foss all these years in our mailing lists and ilug-meets and
events.
No
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The official vanilla Linux kernel from Linus that gets distributed
on kernel.org has non-free[1] software in it.
click on the above url to discover more,
and of course, search the web for more, if you wish.
i
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LL On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
dear all,
LL [snip]
The official vanilla Linux kernel from Linus that gets distributed
on kernel.org has
dear all,
dr g nagarjuna of fsfindia.org was in delhi tuesday,
we met for coffee and chat this late afternoon.
he mentioned 'linux-libre' to me.
i just discovered this a moment ago,
so am immediately sharing with all of you:
http://jebba.blagblagblag.org/?p=244
The official vanilla Linux
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