Differential ailerons are one of the two ways engineers use to control or
tune out adverse yaw, caused by both the decrease in drag on the inboard
wing and the increase in drag on the outboard wing during a level turn.
Friese ailerons like Mark L uses and is common on Cessnas have the hinge
part o
Ok Guys , I'm back from the Holy land and making great progress on N7038V.
I have turned my attention to the hinge mounts for the Ailerons, and per some
suggestions to correct the "rivet" installation, I have begun to flox in the
nut plates to the spars.
I would like to repeat my steps for you, a
In a message dated 8/4/2003 11:00:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
soner...@worldnet.att.net writes:
> Anyone see any problems?
>
In a message dated 8/4/2003 11:00:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
soner...@worldnet.att.net writes:
> Anyone see any problems?
>
Op's on the first reply. It sounds good to me
N13116 1984 to 2003
19 years in a KR.
Thanks Orma,
BTW , not to rub it in but the holy land (Oshkosh) was great. we had a
fantastic time.
Got some good parts at the "fly market"
Tim
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From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: KR>Ailerons
> In a message dated 8/4/
I am a bit confused on the router bit to make a socket for the nut
plates. It sounds by your description that you cut a socket and floxed
in the nut plates on the outside, i.e. the aft side on the wing and the
forward side on the aileron, instead of putting them on the inside where
the screw g
behind the spar.
warren shapcott
new zealand
zk-krj
-Original Message-
From: Brian Kraut [mailto:eng...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 6 August 2003 2:57 p.m.
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: Re: KR>Ailerons
I am a bit confused on the router bit to make a socket for the nut
pla
I am planning my aileron installation. I understand the value of putting
wax in the anchor nuts to prevent flox from closing up the access. I expect
that I will also have to fill the holes drilled in the wood also. My
question is, how do you locate the openings after the BID is placed over
the
>I am planning my aileron installation. I understand the value of putting
>wax in the anchor nuts to prevent flox from closing up the access. I expect
>that I will also have to fill the holes drilled in the wood also. My
>question is, how do you locate the openings after the BID is placed over
Larry,
I just finished this work a couple weeks ago. The short of it is the
glass is transparent and I could see the hole locations to open them up.
Also I had match drilled the hing to the spar and could have lined it up
again and dimpled through the hing holes to find the holes in the spar--
Good
On a few areas where I glassed over wood that had holes drilled I just took
some scraps of urethane foam and stuffed it in the holes. It is very easy to
see through one or two layers of glass to find where the holes are again. With
the foam in the hole you just need to drill through the glass
Someone correct me if I am wrong but my impression was that we have
differential ailerons, so their up travel will be different from their down
travel, just so long as both sides are the same. This is used to counter
adverse yaw.
Colin & Bev Rainey
KR2(td) N96TA
Sanford, FL
crain...@cfl.rr.com
Colin you are correct
--- Colin & Bev Rainey wrote:
> Someone correct me if I am wrong but my impression
> was that we have differential ailerons, so their up
> travel will be different from their down travel,
> just so long as both sides are the same. This is
> used to counter adverse yaw.
>
>
>Someone correct me if I am wrong but my impression was that we have
differential ailerons, so their up travel will be different from their down
travel, just so long as both sides are the same. This is used to counter
adverse yaw.
>Colin & Bev Rainey
+
I am now working on my ailerons and soon will need to do some "glueing". The
Vinylester resin I have is way outdated,so ,is there a good alternative? Dan
Diehl says that epoxy other than Vinylester can be used if the fiberglass has
been sanded well. Any confirmations about this, or any other sug
The KR-2S plans call for ailerons 72" long and 5" deep. Has anyone else done
theirs different from the plans? Maybe shorter and deeper? Any thoughts would
be appreciated.
Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpag
The KR2S plans call for ailerons 72" long and 5" deep. Has anyone made them
different. Maybe shorter and deeper? Maybe just shorter? From all I have heard,
it takes very little movement of the ailerons to bank the plane. I am close to
cutting mine out and would appreciate any thoughts on this.
Mark,
Is that in an S supplement? The 2 is 7 at the root and 4.5 at the tip.
See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics
"There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for
building has long since expired."
Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
See you in Mt. Vern
age -
From: "Dan Heath"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Ailerons
> Mark,
>
>
>
> Is that in an S supplement? The 2 is 7 at the root and 4.5 at the tip.
>
> See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics
>
> "
RE: My plans show 7" at the root and 5" at the tip and 72" long.
Mark,
That seems right. The 2 is 72" long also.
See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics
"There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for
building has long since expired."
Daniel R. Heat
RE: Maybe shorter and deeper?
Mark,
I guess the other Mark has made them a lot shorter and deeper. However if
you are going to balance them per the plans, deeper will get you in trouble
with the aft spar of the wing. Also, something to consider is that the KR
is designed to be an "aileron" cont
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From: "Mark Jones"
To: "KRnet"
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Ailerons
> My plans show 7" at the root and 5" at the tip and 72" long. Sorry I did
not
> make that any clearer.
Mark.
It would be possible indeed to reduce the size of your ailerons, but the big
limiter as I see it is going to be the aft spar. Unless you want to move it,
I think you have to stick with the plane versions or you will suffer a
reduced roll rate. If you did want to shift the aft spar, you could
Peter Bancks wrote:
> It would be possible indeed to reduce the size of your ailerons, but the
big
> limiter as I see it is going to be the aft spar. Unless you want to move
it,
> I think you have to stick with the plane versions or you will suffer a
> reduced roll rate. If you did want to shift t
Shorter
>ailerons, deeper chord, less drag, roughly the same roll moment as the
>plans...
>Mark Langford,
+++
I don't have any answers on the aileron thing but I'll throw out some
things to consider.
My KR is basically plans built with the exc
Mark L:
That's one absolutely beautiful set of wings!
This certainly makes things easier for me! I was planning on using friese
style ailerons as well, and that split flap is perfect!
Cheers
Peter Bancks
stranged...@dodo.com.au
http://www.homebuiltairplanes.com
http://canardaviationforum.dmt.com
June 23, 2004 11:22 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Ailerons
Shorter
>ailerons, deeper chord, less drag, roughly the same roll moment as the
>plans...
>Mark Langford,
+++
I don't have any answers on the aileron thing but I'
..can anyone tells me the average counterweight of a plansbuilt aileron
balancearm for the new 16% airfoil wing? Thank's Herbert Fuerle
Herbert wrote:
..can anyone tells me the average counterweight of a plans built
aileron balance arm for the new 16% airfoil wing?
Herbert,
I think mine were just over 2.5 lbs, about 2 lb 9 oz as I recall.
IHS,
David Goodman
Vertical Avionics, Inc.
www.verticalavionics.com
360 678 1602
My plans were lost during Hurricane Katrina but the plane is moving right
along. Can anyone tell me the size of the gap between the bottom of the aileron
and the lower wing skin? 1/2" 3/4" etc ? Also what is the maximum degree of
down aileron?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Victor Taylor
I
>My plans were lost during Hurricane Katrina but the plane is moving
>right along. Can anyone tell me the size of the gap between the
>bottom of the aileron and the lower wing skin? 1/2" 3/4" etc ? Also
>what is the maximum degree of down aileron?
>Victor Taylor
+++
Hello All KR Netters,
My questions have been answered regarding aileron gaps. Thanks to all of you.
Victor
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 28, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Larry&Sallie Flesner wrote:
>
>> My plans were lost during Hurricane Katrina but the plane is moving
>> right along. Can anyone tell me
I just cut the aileron out of my right wing. It sure was hard to bring myself
to cut into a wing like that but it came out perfect. Now on to the aileron
spars, etc.
Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI USA
E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at
http://mywebpage
Mark wrote:
> I just cut the aileron out of my right wing. It sure was hard to bring
myself to cut into a wing like that but it came out perfect. Now on to the
aileron spars, etc.
Especially after you spend that much time and sweat perfecting the shap of
the wing.just keep thinking about how
At 09:25 AM 10/9/04 -0500, you wrote:
>I just cut the aileron out of my right wing. It sure was hard to bring
myself to cut into a wing like that but it came out perfect. Now on to the
aileron spars, etc.
>
>Mark Jones (N886MJ)
+
When you
I would like a general consensus here. In the plans, it shows glassing in the
aileron spars by laying up one layer of glass from the top side around the face
of the aileron spar to the bottom side of aileron. This is also called for on
the wing side. Now, I have floxed in my aileron spars both i
RE: laying up one layer of glass from the top side around the face of the
aileron spar to the bottom side of aileron.
Mark,
I have tossed that around also and on the aileron that I re-built a while
ago, I used the same logic and decided not to glass it, but this time, I am,
just for peace of min
What do you guys think?
Hello Mark
To glass or not to glass? If you don't glass, how well protected will the
spar be against wood eating insects and moisture that may accumulate?
Orma
Southfield, MI
N110LR celebrating 20 years
Flying, flying and more flying
http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com
>I would like a general consensus here. In the plans, it shows glassing in
the aileron spars by laying up one layer of glass from the top side around
the face of the aileron spar to the bottom side of aileron.
>Mark Jones (N886MJ)
+++
I think I
anybody answer a quick
question re ailrons how many bolts attaching piano hing to back of
pruce spar and size of bolt type of nut , is the hole in the piano hinge
counter sunk
Thanks for all help Bill
04 12:44 PM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: Re: KR>ailerons
anybody answer a quick
question re ailrons how many bolts attaching piano hing to back of
pruce spar and size of bolt type of nut , is the hole in the piano hinge
counter sunk
Thanks
Can anyone tell me the lenth parts # & rod bearing size on bell crank and
aileron horn if you
used the orig plans ... thanks again
Netters
Per the plans, there is no glass wrapped around the rear portion of the wing
sealing the wood for the aileron. Am I correct???. Has anybody had a problem
with that wood coming loose fron the foam??
If you were me and wanted to secure the wood a little better, what would be the
easiest
ot;KRnet"
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 6:18 AM
Subject: KR> ailerons
> Netters
>
> Per the plans, there is no glass wrapped around the rear portion of the
> wing sealing the wood for the aileron. Am I correct???. Has anybody had
> a problem with that wood coming loos
> >
> > Netters
> >
> > Per the plans, there is no glass wrapped around the rear portion of the
> > wing sealing the wood for the aileron. Am I correct???. Has anybody had
> > a problem with that wood coming loose fron the foam??
> > If you were me and wanted to secure the wood a little better
t: Thursday, July 14, 2005 9:18 PM
Subject: KR> ailerons
> Netters
>
> Per the plans, there is no glass wrapped around the rear portion of the
> wing sealing the wood for the aileron. Am I correct???. Has anybody had
> a problem with that wood coming loose fron the foam??
>
when building my ailerons,i fit the wood spar to the cutout in the glass&
foam so the wood fit the angle of the shape& flush to the cutout recessing the
inter layer of glass to fit flush with the inner surface of the spar wood.
mine
where diel skins, after a perfect fit was made, i beveled the
From: Lee Van Dyke
To: KRnet
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 7:18 AM
Subject: KR> ailerons
> Netters
>
> Per the plans, there is no glass wrapped around the rear portion of the
wing sealing the wood for the aileron. Am I correct???. Has anybody had a
problem with that wood coming loose f
If you use the AS5048 wing template and cut the ailerons out of the
wing, you have this odd shape for the trailing edge of the aileron.
Everyone doing this? Does this affect how the aileron works?
--
*Gary *
/Soli Deo Gloria/
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Netters,
Set the cable lengths today and got the bellcranks lined up. Now they are
even, and the stick stops at the same place both sides. The ailerons are
different so different length push rods are needed, so I will be fabricating
those tomorrow. I need to safety wire the turnbuckles, and cott
> What happened Dan? I will be cutting out and finishing my ailerons in the
>near future.
Ray
++
Don't forget, like I did, that when you install the spar in the aileron
th
Larry,
Thanks for your answer and reminder. Can't we just measure the height or
the aileron spar at the inb'd and outb'd spar ends and machine the spars to
that
dimension? Ray
Goree
> Larry,
> Thanks for your answer and reminder. Can't we just measure the height or
>the aileron spar at the inb'd and outb'd spar ends and machine the spars
to that
>dimension? Ray Goree
+
Yes you can but the height was not my p
Dan Heath SC. i thank you for all your help< I'm new at this building yours
abd jerry web page have been a big help eberyone at KRNET been a BIG and I
thank you ALL...
Bill IN reno
Gary wrote:
> If you use the AS5048 wing template and cut the ailerons out of the
> wing, you have this odd shape for the trailing edge of the aileron.
> Everyone doing this? Does this affect how the aileron works?
Odd in what way? Planform, cross-section?
Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
ML "at"
Mark, I think you'll be able to see what he's talking about when you see my
wing
Paul Visk Belleville Il.
618-406-4705
Original message From: Mark Langford via KRnet
Date: 6/28/17 2:04 PM (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet
Cc: m...@n56ml.com Subject: Re: KR> aileron
From: KRnet on behalf of Paul Visk via KRnet
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 2:22 PM
To: KRnet
Cc: Paul Visk
Subject: Re: KR> ailerons
Mark, I think you'll be able to see what he's talking about when you see my
wing
Paul Visk Belleville Il.
618-406-4705
Original message
On 6/28/2017 2:04 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet wrote:
Gary wrote:
If you use the AS5048 wing template and cut the ailerons out of the
wing, you have this odd shape for the trailing edge of the aileron.
Everyone doing this? Does this affect how the aileron works?
Odd in what way? Planform, cros
>If you attach with rivets, I have a method for that, otherwise, proceed
>with the flox attachment process that you have been doing. For that process
> I would use a disposable pan head, 8-32, a little longer that the
>permanent screws, to hold it in place while it cures.
>Daniel R. Heath - Col
Larry that is a terrific idea!
I used masking tape over the holes then drilled through,
but nylon bolts is a better idea.
> >If you attach with rivets, I have a method for that, otherwise, proceed
> >with the flox attachment process that you have been doing. For that process
> > I would use
quot;Turtle Wax
approach". It's worked for me for years on literally over hundreds of
rifle actions.
---Original Message---
From: KR builders and pilots
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Sunday, August 10, 2003 23:48:34
To: KR builders and pilots
Subject: Re: KR>
>You really shouldn't be using ailerons in a stall anyway. That is a good
>way to wind up in a spin. Shortening the outboard side of the ailerons
>would actually help to keep a turning stall or cross control stall from
>becoming a spin.
>Brian Kraut
++
Netters
It is a common mis-conception that you cannot use ailerons when either
practicing stalls or when actually experiencing stalls. Young CFI's typically
make such a big deal about this that pilots mis-understand the warning that
goes along with the statement watch how much aileron you use w
Colin,
excellent explanation! I was tempted to respond but you did a much better
job than I could have!
How is mother nature treating you?
Joachim
> [Original Message]
> From: Colin & Bev Rainey
> To:
> Date: 7/10/2005 1:49:38 PM
> Subject: KR> Ailerons and stalls
>
&
Thanks for the additional info.
I fly giders and it is possible to initiate a spin
during a stall by quickly deflecting the ailerons and
when flying any new plane considerable caution should
be excersized until the flight envelop has been
properly explored in a structured systematic way.
Denny ..
On drawing number 71 in the plans book it shows the aileron bracket to the
aileron spar connection. It is a three bolt connection with the two bolts
nearest the rod arm assembly vertically spaced. The drawing shows a 1 inch wide
by ¼ inch deep "block" under these two bolt heads that sandwich the
At 07:17 AM 3/10/2009, you wrote:
>On drawing number 71 in the plans book it shows
>the aileron bracket to the aileron spar
>connection. It is a three bolt connection with
>the two bolts nearest the rod arm assembly
>vertically spaced. The drawing shows a 1 inch
>wide by ¼ inch deep "block" un
I do believe that the plans call for wrapping the wood false spar on the
wing and aileron sides, from top glass to bottom glass. That is all the
re-enforcement that you need. You need to cut the glass on the bias and use
a bi-directional cloth, to get a nice bend and it helps to do it in two
sectio
Gang, all I'll do is address Dan's statement on the properities of rivets in
nutplates.
Nutplates are used extensively in my project. Rivet questions alway come up
as to just what do they do. Dan is totally correct, the rivet itself adds
nothing structual at all. All it does is keep the nutp
RE: I was reluctant to carve up those wing skins
Tim,
With hinge in hand, ready to install, and the wing upside down, and the
hinge attach screw holes prepared in the hinge, hot glue the hinge to the
wing false aileron spar, exactly where you want it to end up. Test for
movement of the hinge wi
Thanks for all the input Dan,
I was reluctant to carve up those wing skins but it seems that it would be a
good Idea.
I only wish that the original builder would have done it right.
Tim
KR2 N7038V
: Re: KR>Ailerons
I am a bit confused on the router bit to make a socket for the nut
plates. It sounds by your description that you cut a socket and floxed
in the nut plates on the outside, i.e. the aft side on the wing and the
forward side on the aileron, instead of putting them on the inside wh
>
>
>---Original Message---
>
>
>
>From: eng...@earthlink.net; KR builders and pilots
>
>Date: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 10:55:35 PM
>
>To: KR builders and pilots
>
>Subject: Re: KR>Ailerons
>
>
>
>I am a bit confused on the router bit to
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