Reply to Macdonald Stainsby, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 12/1/2001
3:00:
> Why Nestor, you slyly provocative bugger. I was gathering the need to look
> elsewhere
> in the country for important change- the KPRF have become purely comical to my
> view.
> the line that had me howling for
"Come the millennium, month 12,
In the home of greatest power,
The village idiot will come forth
To be acclaimed the leader."
Nostrodamus, 1555.
Owen
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Comrades,
Er, well, I am perhaps slightly confused as to what is going on since I
have been away from my computer, as far as I can tell I was temporarily
suspended then resubscribed. I would like to take the opportunity to
apologise for my typically overheated, OTT style of debate. The gutter
l
Reply to Carrol Cox, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 20/12/2000 22:53:
> I've been filtering out Owen from before he left the marxism
> list, so these idiocies don't bother me -- I never see them. But
> his ravings would be embarassing on the archives of any list
> that pretends to be marx
A typically stupid response from a typically stupid Stalinist like James
Tait. Listen idiot:
(1) I am well aware that revolutionaries are being slaughtered by the
Turkish regime. But despite this which should strengthen a more than healthy
desire for revolutionary justice amongst us all, we mu
Reply to secr (MG!), at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 19/12/2000
5:23:
> I think the explanation might be that it's felt hopeless to do anything
> about such ruthless fascist regime.
The Turkish regime is certainly reactionary, yes. But by any real Marxist
definition, it is not fascist (h
Reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED], at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the
14/12/2000 11:40:
> (Also mentioned below is Steve Myers, a known cop and rapist who know
> "leads" Workers Fight, a tiny trot group and does alot of "work" with
> Russian trots. Peter Manson is a Weekly Worker writer, as is Ian D
Comrades,
Well, Nestor asked for it, so I, the much denounced running dog of
imperialism, here send an article I wrote for the Weekly Worker a few weeks
ago in response to the social-chauvinist stance of the CPGB, with their
slogan of revolutionary defeatism and revision of imperialism. And yes,
Mac,
Comrade, you seem to miss the point. It was the nature of the Soviet Union
- i.e. a deeply degenerate and corrupt workers' state ruled by a privileged
caste of bureaucrats - that made the restoration of capitalism inevitable
unless the bureaucratic rot was cut out with the knife of a work
what comrade Jones bizarrely accuses the CPGB of: social
chauvinism. And pretty grotesque chauvinism at that - without much of the
'social' about it, given the apartheid-like tyranny that existed in Kosova
under the rule of Milosevic for 11 years.
Owen Jones' historical analogies ar
Reply to Mine Aysen Doyran, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the
22/11/2000 21:34:
> In my humble opinion, you should subscribe Pen-l. I am sure you will find a
> large audience to your views there.
Typical of the Milosevic fan club crowd. Those who do not subscribe to
their twisted apologia
Mac,
The NEP was a policy initiated by a consciously revolutionary leadership in
a time of dire crisis for the world's first workers' state, with the
intention of saving that workers' state from the abyss.
The programme of privatisation carried out by the Milosevic regime was part
of a consc
Hi Mac
This is awful stuff.
> The author of this piece is assuming two falsities: 1, that the "revolution"
> in
> Yugoslavia must have been a popular one,
Frankly if that revolution was not "popular" to use your vocabulary, then I
really am at a lost as to what is a "popular" revolution by
Interesting and insightful analysis from a Guardian columnist. I hope this
is a suitable answer to those such as Louis Proyect, or indeed that
hysterical ex-Maoist suffering from a case of acute Slavophilia, whose lone
absurd theories about the progressive nature of Milosevic's regime - of
being
Mine,
As the person who posted the article, I can assure you that this piece was
anti-NATO irony ridiculing its bombing of Yugoslavia. The whole point is
that Israel is guilty of what was used as a pretext to bomb Yugoslavia, and
yet is the vehicle of American imperialism in the region. Indeed
Reply to Aaron, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 5/10/2000 12:40:
> Sean Matgamma's group? The ones who supported Israel and opposed the Irish
> liberation struggle? (I'm using the past tense because I have no knowledge of
> them since my stay in London in 1993.)
>
> The only question is,
Fortunately for you, Mac, and all those of a similar mindset, the vice that
good old Karl Marx excused the most was gullibility.
Owen
Reply to Macdonald Stainsby, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 3/10/2000
23:37:
> The Official Web Presentation of the Federal Ministry of Foreign Affair
Reply to Louis Proyect, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 3/10/2000 20:53:
> Was this about "iconography"? Or was something more substantial involved?
> In fact, the government of Juan Perón was one of the most progressive in
> Latin American history in the 20th century. Here is a list of it
Tuesday October 3 5:57 PM ET
Bombing Campaign Commences Against Israel
By John Jackson, Associated Press Writer
TEL AVIV (AP) - NATO aircraft have begun the threatened bombing campaign
against Israel Tuesday in response to the six-day massacre of Palestinians
conducted by Israeli troops, a
Reply to Macdonald Stainsby, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 3/10/2000
3:06:
> ?? AWL
Alliance for Workers' Liberty.
Owen
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Firstly I do not think that Peronism was a fascist movement. A fascist
movement cannot rest on the organised working class like Peronism. Peronism
was a form of Bonapartism, hence the fact it mixed the imagery, phraseology
and iconography of the far-Right with the far-Left. Will you deny that
Pe
> Haha. I'm looking forward to the answer to this one, Owen. The workers of
> England suffered a tremendous setback, no doubt. The workers of Argentina
> suffered something an imperialist country cannot, the jack boot of
> imperialism and the total loss of sovereignty.
>
> There is a reason that
Comrade Nestor,
Unfortunately I fear you sinking to the level of debate of those of the
"revolutionary" Left here who actually refused to oppose imperialism against
Yugoslavia (sorry, let's be fair, many of such people didn't support it
either, but then did Kautsky not abstain? - other than th
Comrade Nestor,
As you know, or should know, I have great respect for you. However, I am in
complete disagreement with your left-nationalist views which call for the
working class of the oppressed countries to unite with their bourgeoisie
against imperialism. This despite the fact that in this
Reply to Carrol Cox, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 25/9/2000 23:31:
> But what about the rights of self-determination of the Orange Irish? They
> have at least as much right to self-determination as *any* of the Yugoslav
> regions did. You hold self-determination as a religion, not as an
Reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED], at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 26/9/2000
0:34:
> According to people in Yugoslavia the vote situation is rather good. Don't
> believe what you read in the papers.
A letter I got from Belgrade suggested otherwise. By the way, I hear that
the deeply intelligen
Reply to Yoshie Furuhashi, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the
25/9/2000 20:10:
> Nobody here has said any such thing. Behind the discontent of
> Albanians in Kosovo, there had been their poverty and
> under-development.
The reason Kosovo is impoverished and underdeveloped is because it was
Reply to Carrol Cox, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 25/9/2000 18:26:
> This position, always stated as a sort of given, is logically quite
> indefensible. Suppose the white inhabitants of Selma, Georgia
> declared themselves a separate nation (in order to reinstitute
> the cherished south
Reply to Yoshie Furuhashi, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the
25/9/2000 10:34:
> _If_ an Albanian movement for self-determination worthy of the
> support of the masses of people in the world arose, we would know it
> by its becoming America's official enemy. As of now, such a movement
> does
Reply to A.Wosni, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 7/9/2000 8:47:
> It seems to me that it is on this basis that - as far as I read - they
> [Cliffites] are contemplating to unite whith the Scottish section of
> 'Militant'(CWI). Is this an issue worth discussing?
You are correct. The Soci
Comrade,
Fascism as a movement is that of a petty-bourgeoisie facing ruin and
threatened with being thrown into the ranks of the working class, and all
those standing in hostility to a strengthening working class movement, which
is absolutely crushed under fascism. It is a movement which serve
Comrade,
First of all I object to you suggesting that I have given up my "faith" in
revolution and socialism. I am 16 years old. It is the worst time to join
the revolutionary movement since the contents of Archduke Ferdinand's skull
were sprayed over the back of carriage in Sarajevo, although
Comrades,
I think that there is something about your style as well as volume that I
would question - a kind of hysteric catastrophism. I mean, sure, you must
have great meetings if they are full of optimistic declarations of the next
thirty years being of revolutionary uprisings, but how exact
--
Croatian war crimes witness killed
Human rights workers in Croatia have criticised the government after the
killing of a former soldier who volunteered to give war crimes evidence
against fellow-Croats.
The man, Milan Levar, died in a bomb blast at his home in Gospic on Monday.
A leadi
Comrades,
Either New Labour are being very honest or their web site has been
hijacked.
Check out this site: http://www.new-labour-party.org.uk/
A medal is in order!
Cheers - Owen
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Comrade,
I must admit that I am still struggling to work out exactly what you mean
here, since many of the positions which you detail seem more than slightly
confused. However, I will try to answer based on what I have available from
you.
The only war going on related to Russia apart from Ch
Louis P.:
> Actually the Cuban countryside was distinguished by large scale wage labor
> on plantations, while Czarist Russia had extensive subsistence holdings,
> sharecropping and other semifeudal class relations. When you are in the
> library studying about the Yugoslav economy, you might wa
Reply to Louis Proyect, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 25/8/2000 16:19:
> Although the Cuban revolution is widely regarded as being
> vastly inferior to the Russian revolution in terms of the level of
> consciousness, it is doubtful that there is much difference between the
> two. Keep in
Reply to Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on
the 24/8/2000 0:20:
> More on the Kursk. It looks like that the Russian establishment is
> seriously claiming that the sub was intentionally sunk by a NATO
> ship. Slimy road they are treading on...
Comrade,
I question very
Reply to Johannes Schneider, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the
18/8/2000 13:59:
> Its obvious the imperialists first want a government that is subservient
> to them before they might consider withdrawing from Kosovo at the same
> time they dont want an independent Kosovo. An indepedent Kosov
I would just like to express my deep gratitude to Anthony for explaining
the situation in Colombia so well with superb intellect and clarity; this
demolishes many of the illusions some on the Left express on the "Colombian
revolution", from which I am just as guilty due to sheer ignorance. I am
Johannes,
Thanks for the welcome, good to hear from you again.
I certainly agree that history has proven wrong the assertion that the
petty-bourgeoisie, with all its vacillating tendencies, is incapable of
independence from either the bourgeoisie or proletariat. Indeed, what
history has shown
Comrade,
Without wishing to trample over everybody's picnic, but, in my opinion, the
Colombian situation is a very complicated question, as much as we are all
thirsty for revolution.
These guerrilla groups are peasant armies. Their aim is not the
construction of a workers' state, but rather
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