Re: SILO refuses to work

2002-11-26 Thread Werner Kuehnel
Mark, I think your guess is correct. I'm curious as to why you want to make your root file system an LVM volume, though. Do you really think you'll need to expand it that much, instead of just adding additional file systems on various mount points? to be honest, I just wanted to try out the

Re: rshd not executable

2002-11-26 Thread Rob van der Heij
At 08:14 26-11-02 +0800, John Summerfield wrote: If you prefer security, remove those packages and use opnessh instead. ssh provides the functions of rsh with (at least) equal convenience and much better security. Generally speaking this is obviously true, but depending on your environment

Re: Missing telnet output (and a bonus newbie questio n)

2002-11-26 Thread Don Stubbs
On the mainframe, you have change and reference bits for each page. This permits sophisticated real storage management algorithms not possible on the typical minicomputer architecture which do not provide a reference bit. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Weird term/shell/vi behavior? a nuisance

2002-11-26 Thread Daniel Jarboe
Thanks a lot for the help, the only diff is a histfilesize in .bash_profile, and echo -n worked fine for me :(. Also, nothing suspicious in rpm -qa --last, I will look for that thread though, thanks. ~ Daniel -Original Message- From: John Summerfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:

Re: Weird term/shell/vi behavior? a nuisance

2002-11-26 Thread John Summerfield
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Daniel Jarboe wrote: Thanks a lot for the help, the only diff is a histfilesize in .bash_profile, and echo -n worked fine for me :(. Also, nothing suspicious in rpm -qa --last, I will look for that thread though, thanks. I had in mind that you might have imported

Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread Dave Jousma
All, I'm about ready to put up our first linux lpar, and have another question or two. This question is causing alot of confusion for us. We are getting ready to put up SuSe linux, and also want to put up a couple of relevent applications to actually do a pilot test. When an vendor

Long startup times for WAS

2002-11-26 Thread Andy Robertson
z/VM 4.3 We are seeing VERY long startup times for WAS on out LINUX images It has been suggested that simple tuning would fix it It may be we just lack poke, but does anyone see anything obvious for us to try? Here are the results of simple startup diagnostic commands ind queues exp

Re: eServer Magazine

2002-11-26 Thread Richards.Bob
Thanks, Jim (and the other that responded). I've subscribed! grin Bob -Original Message- From: Jim Elliott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 6:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: eServer Magazine I probably missed it, but is there a URL for

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread Rich Smrcina
There are lots of examples of customers using DB2 on Linux for S/390. Feel free to contact me for more information. One of the largest motivating factors involved in getting vendors to port their code to Linux for S/390 is customers. Jim Elliott can certainly tell you if and when, but if it

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread Dave Jousma
Rich, Thanks for the response. You didn't answer my question however. The question was, if a vendor app says it is certified to run on SuSe linux, can it run on SuSe linux on any of the supported SuSe Linux platforms? For example, for INFORMIX, there is now a version that is LINUX ready. But

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread Chris Rohrbach
Java aside, applications written to run on Linux are source code compatible, not binary compatible. In the case of most commercial programs, where source code is generally not available to customers, you depend on the source code owner to compile and test their code for each new Linux platform.

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread paultz
Or is this another black-eye for the mainframe(like Unix System Services was from a pure UNIX perspective) where it's not quite ready for prime-time, and is just different enough that there are not enough apps available yet. I think Linux is progressing much faster than USS did in its infancy.

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread Rich Smrcina
I wouldn't take that for granted. If it doesn't specifically mention Linux for S/390, ask the vendor (or see if Jim responds). On Tuesday 26 November 2002 08:26 am, you wrote: Rich, Thanks for the response. You didn't answer my question however. The question was, if a vendor app says it is

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread James Melin
You are basically looking at instruction set incompatibility. Presumably, INFORMIX ships binary distributions of their product so you 1 ) Don't have to compile anything and 2) Can't compile or change their source code. This effectively locks you into the INTEL environment unless and until a vendor

Re: Linux under VM on Hercules?

2002-11-26 Thread David Boyes
David, I disagree with your characterization that IBM's certified mainframe development platform costs a goodly sum a pop. The guy asking the question is the VP Engineering of Sendmail.com, and if his company produces offerings for zSeries, which I believe they do, then they are eligible for

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread Post, Mark K
Dave, In the particular instance you're referencing, Informix, unless IBM shows a version that runs on Linux/390, then they have only ported it to Intel Linux. They don't have a version for Linux/390 (that they'll ship to you), yet. They most likely will, just not yet. In general, suppliers

Tux.txt (eServer Magazine, turn left)

2002-11-26 Thread John Ford
- Original Message - From: Dave O'Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: Re: eServer Magazine blah blah snip real thread (' //\ v_/_ Dave, Hadn't seen this before... I'll always have a softspot for character-cell graphics.

Re: Data transfer between z/VM systems

2002-11-26 Thread Andy Robertson
Thank you to everyone. This will probably be enough John Summerfield summer@computerdatas To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] afe.com.au cc: Sent by: Linux on 390 Subject: Re:

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread David Boyes
This question is causing alot of confusion for us. We are getting ready to put up SuSe linux, and also want to put up a couple of relevent applications to actually do a pilot test. When an vendor application says it is certified to run on SuSe(or Redhat) distribution, does that mean it

August 2001 Stream

2002-11-26 Thread Ferguson, Neale
Why is the latest drop on developerworks (2002-11-25) referred to as the August 2001 stream? As it's done in multiple places I'm wondering if it's more than just a typo.

From .ISO to RDR?

2002-11-26 Thread Nick Laflamme
When one downloads an .ISO file from SuSE's FTP site in preparation for building a Linux on S/390 image, is the next step inevitably to burn a CD-ROM from the ISO image? I know at some point I'll ship three files to VM so I can punch them to the RDR, but I'm drawing a blank on how to extract them

Re: From .ISO to RDR?

2002-11-26 Thread McKown, John
Nick, You can burn them to a CD. If you are running Linux/Intel, then you could also do a loopback mount of them to access their contents directly. -- John McKown Senior Technical Specialist UICI Insurance Center Applications Solutions Team +1.817.255.3225 -Original Message- From:

Re: From .ISO to RDR?

2002-11-26 Thread Ferguson, Neale
Download them to a Linux PC. Issue: mount pathname of ISO image /cdrom -o loop,ro This will mount the ISO image so that its contents are found in /cdrom. You can then FTP from there or whatever you want. -Original Message- When one downloads an .ISO file from SuSE's FTP site in

Code drop to DeveloperWorks 2002-11-25

2002-11-26 Thread Gerhard Hiller
Please see the What's New page at: http://www10.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/linux390/whatsnew.shtml for a change summary of the 2002-11-25 additions and changes to the Linux for S/390 and zSeries DeveloperWorks-pages. August 2001 stream - Please refer to the August 2001 stream

Re: August 2001 Stream

2002-11-26 Thread Post, Mark K
Because the fixes are for the stream that uses gcc 2.95.3, and not gcc 3.2? Mark Post -Original Message- From: Ferguson, Neale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 11:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: August 2001 Stream Why is the latest drop on developerworks

Re: From .ISO to RDR?

2002-11-26 Thread Lionel Dyck
If the ISO files are on a Linux pc they can be mounted in loop-back mode and then you can cd to the mount point to find the files to upload. Otherwise you'll need to burn the ISOs to a CD first. hth Lionel B. Dyck, Systems

OT: Prediction of new IBM Processors

2002-11-26 Thread Michael Short
Below is a URL pointing to a Gartner blurb on what may next in processors: http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2898075,00.html It talks about the the number of CPUs going above 16 and the use of multiple MCMs to help z/OS. I know that z/VM supports 64 virtual machines

Re: Linux under VM on Hercules?

2002-11-26 Thread John Alvord
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:49:20 -0500, David Boyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, I disagree with your characterization that IBM's certified mainframe development platform costs a goodly sum a pop. The guy asking the question is the VP Engineering of Sendmail.com, and if his company produces

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread John Summerfield
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Dave Jousma wrote: Rich, Thanks for the response. You didn't answer my question however. The question was, if a vendor app says it is certified to run on SuSe linux, can it run on SuSe linux on any of the supported SuSe Linux platforms? For example, for INFORMIX,

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread John Summerfield
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Dave Jousma wrote: Thanks all for the responses. For us, this is a chicken and egg thing. We are just testing the waters, so to speak, so we are not ready to call any vendor(s) to see if they will play in the 390 environment. You have answered my question, though. The

Re: linux on ibm mainframe -

2002-11-26 Thread Linas Vepstas
Hi, The correct thing to do would be to talk to 1) the good folks on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. 2) Your IBM Sales Rep. --linas On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 06:32:47PM -0800, carey chin was heard to remark: --- carey chin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- carey chin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Tux.txt (eServer Magazine, turn left)

2002-11-26 Thread Martin Stricker
John Ford wrote: (' //\ v_/_ Dave, Hadn't seen this before... I'll always have a softspot for character-cell graphics. Here's another: L I N U X .~. The Choice /V\ of a GNU /( )\ Generation ^^-^^ Credits go to Ralf G. R. Bergs, Aachen, Germany. -- Homepage:

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread Gregg C Levine
Hello from Gregg C Levine Something else we need to consider here. Why would each distributor actually distribute the freely available version of say, sendmail, and not insist on certification for it? John, if it wasn't certified then, it sure as taxes is now. --- Gregg C Levine

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread Jon R. Doyle
We do certifiy through normal QA process SuSE SLES, RH Adv Srv for example on Intel systems, and SuSE SLES on zSeries, this is the commercial products, and I mention this because the thread started about Oracle from what I read. Oracle has several levels from what I remember, one called Validation

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread John Summerfield
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Gregg C Levine wrote: Hello from Gregg C Levine Something else we need to consider here. Why would each distributor actually distribute the freely available version of say, sendmail, and not insist on certification for it? John, if it wasn't certified then, it sure as

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread Gregg C Levine
Hello from Gregg C Levine It seems I've gone and done it again. Fast work, Jon Doyle, on putting that together. --- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Force will be with you...Always. Obi-Wan Kenobi Use the Force, Luke. 

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread Gregg C Levine
Hello from Gregg C Levine Did I suggest that you were wrong? No. I don't do that. I only suggested something. It turns out that John Doyle, (Who I think I've met.), responded to my comment, and sort of, backed me up. So, unless you've done things, that the company, or I, don't want to know about,

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread John Summerfield
On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Jon R. Doyle wrote: We do certifiy through normal QA process SuSE SLES, RH Adv Srv for example on Intel systems, and SuSE SLES on zSeries, this is the commercial products, and I mention this because the thread started about Oracle from what I read. Oracle has several

Duplicated messages coming from me

2002-11-26 Thread Gregg C Levine
Hello from Gregg C Levine It seems while doing some pre-transmission processing on one of my messages, Outlook decided to send the message, anyway. So, folks those two messages coming at you, are indeed different. I needed to change one person's name to exactly how he spells it, from rather the

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread Jon R. Doyle
Not entirely we think: LSB does help in the the layout for scripts, like /usr/local/xxx for sendmail and /etc/init.d etc, but the two main distros we certify Rh adv srv and SuSE SLES both seemingly will have differences in the near future in respects to libs, SLES will be taking an approach with

no lcs capable cards found

2002-11-26 Thread Fernald, Eric
I am installing a new linux lpar using redhat 7.2 Enigma with 2.4.9-38 kernel. The system successfully IPL's but I cannot load the lcs driver. After the IPL I try to activate eth0 and I see message no lcs capable cards found. When I try insmod lcs or insmod -f /lib/modules./lcs I

Re: Another distribution question

2002-11-26 Thread Alan Cox
On Tue, 2002-11-26 at 23:16, David Boyes wrote: Does the introduction of the LSB and the informal certification scripts for LSB 1.x compliance address this at all? I'm thinking that if the application is written to be LSB x.y compliant, then it should work and be supportable on other LSB x.y

Re: Linux under VM on Hercules?

2002-11-26 Thread Peter D. Ward
David, You seem to presume: 1) the costs of a PWD-offered solution are predominately attributable to the cost of the selected mainframe virtual machine, and 2) there is no reason for IBM's management to prefer one solution over another, and 3) that the solutions are exchangable. My belief is

Re: linux on ibm mainframe -

2002-11-26 Thread Carlos A. Bodra
Try Linux-390 List. IBM sales rep know only what means money to him! Eventually he will sell to you a zSeries machine, when a G5 could solve your problem Linas Vepstas wrote: Hi, The correct thing to do would be to talk to 1) the good folks on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. 2) Your

ThinkBlue 64-Bit and Java

2002-11-26 Thread BAKER, Craig
Hello Listers, We are currently running an evaluation project on our z/800 using the ThinkBlue 64-bit distribution running in a native LPAR and now we need to install Java. We have downloaded the IBMJava2-SDK-1.4 RPM (also tried the 1.3) and have found that they won't install because they are

Re: ThinkBlue 64-Bit and Java

2002-11-26 Thread James Tison
Craig/All, Presently in your same boat, haven't found anything (heck, I'd even settle for 1.1.8!!). If someone does, I'd appreciate an informative post :-) In fact, I'm having troubles finding any s390x-specific binaries out there at all ... need a base-mode 64-bit machine; but the concept of an

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2002-11-26 Thread Tom Shilson
I will be out of the office starting 11/26/2002 and will not return until 12/03/2002. In case of emergency, contact J.Michael Strom.