Nope, I'm just burning data. Mostly backups.
++ kevin
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 10:09:49PM -0400, Tim Wunder wrote:
> On Friday 31 May 2002 09:49 pm, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> > I am using alpha10 now...
>
>
> Have you burned audio with it? Any problems?
> Audio CD's I burned with xcdroast using
On Fri, 31 May 2002 20:22:44 -0600
Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2> Reading the writeups about Libranet, etc., I always came to the
> conclusion that the package offerings were too damn old.
Old and Stable.
This is not always bad. It seems to be the debian way.
But you have the option of
On Fri, 31 May 2002 Douglas J Hunley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro.
> You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the resources on
> the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge some time to get it
> off the
On Fri, 31 May 2002 1Burns MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 31 May 2002 06:55, dep wrote:
>
> > http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=83
> >
> > he sounds just a tad cranky about it all.
>
> I'm not surprised and, on this one, I tend to agree with hi
Douglas J Hunley wrote:
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> Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro.
> You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the resources on
> the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge some time to get i
Collins wrote:
> On Fri, 31 May 2002 18:39:34 -0400 "Leon A. Goldstein"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Net Llama! wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 31 May 2002, Pam R wrote:
>>>
Any opinions about Debian anyone, ,apart from the religious
aspect that is;g) ?
>>>
>>>Aside from the religious zealotry o
How do you start ntp?
Are there error messages somewhere?
Joel
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 05:26:36PM -0700, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> I configure NTP once every several years, so I cannot usually
> remember what's what.
>
> I've got a server that's been running NTP happily for years,
> seems to stay c
If you want a free easily installed deb distribution, try Libranet 1.9.1, which is
downloadable. It's older, but will give you an idea of the ease of use of debian apt
for updates. (The 2.0 version of libranet is much more current, and they have a home
user price.)
On Fri, 31 May 2002 15:11:4
On Friday 31 May 2002 07:26, Harry G wrote:
> Yes, we are not talking about replacing the normal distribution but
> rather our business product SuSE Linux Enterprise Server. UnitedLinux,
> at least in its first incarnation, will be based on the next version
> of SLES which will be enhanced and mo
On Friday 31 May 2002 06:55, dep wrote:
> first, did you know that your machine is telling the world that it is
> july 26?
>
Ooops, brand new install of SuSE 8.0 Pro two days ago - forgot to set date.
Thanks.
> second, rms has weighed in:
>
> http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&f
On Fri, 31 May 2002 18:39:34 -0400 "Leon A. Goldstein"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Net Llama! wrote:
> > On Fri, 31 May 2002, Pam R wrote:
> > > Any opinions about Debian anyone, ,apart from the religious
> > > aspect that is;g) ?
> >
> > Aside from the religious zealotry of "GNU/Linux Debian",
On Saturday 01 June 2002 11:54 am, you wrote:
> Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro.
> You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the resources
> on the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge some time to
> get it off the ground, I'm not gonn
On Fri, 31 May 2002 17:26:36 -0700
"Kevin O'Gorman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I configure NTP once every several years, so I cannot usually
> remember what's what.
>
> I've got a server that's been running NTP happily for years,
> seems to stay current, and I'm not going to mess with it.
>
>
On Friday 31 May 2002 09:49 pm, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> I am using alpha10 now...
Have you burned audio with it? Any problems?
Audio CD's I burned with xcdroast using cdrecord were fine when used on a PC,
but hosed when used on a CD player. I downlaoded and installed arson, which
used cdrdao,
On Fri, 31 May 2002 13:10:37 -0500
Michael Hipp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > My understanding is that with a threaded app, you're seeing the
> > multiple threads off of the same parent process. This can best be
> > illustrated using 'pstree'. Its not
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Seems a lot of potential talk about crafting our own distro.
You folks serious? Who's got the time for this? I can manage the resources on
the mothership for it, but unless people actually pledge some time to get it
off the ground, I'm not gonna bot
Pam R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Any opinions about Debian anyone, ,apart from the religious aspect that is
> ;g) ?
Most of the kernel hackers at work use it (Potato, I believe) and seem to like
it; those that don't use Debian use Red Hat 7.2, but I don't consider that
an endorsement becaus
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David A. Bandel spewed electrons into the ether that resembled:
> On Fri, 31 May 2002 16:49:56 -0400
>
> begin Jerry McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth:
> > Is anyone on the list running this mix of kernel resources? kernel
> > 2.4.18, XFS, pre
I am using alpha10 now, I have no idea what multisession would do for me,
and what it has to do with fixating. This is becoming a way of life:
there's so much interesting stuff to do I wouldn't have time to RTFM
even if the FM had been written yet, which it hasn't. In any event,
I've tossed the
I configure NTP once every several years, so I cannot usually
remember what's what.
I've got a server that's been running NTP happily for years,
seems to stay current, and I'm not going to mess with it.
I've got another machine, glynnis, running RH7.1, and it has the NTP
software, but I cannot g
On Friday 27 July 2001 09:59 am, you wrote:
> As far as I can see this appears to be led by the Caldera Marketing gaggle
> which, since the SCO merger, has demonstrated remarkable ineptitude,
> insensitivity and a complete lack of knowledge of even the basics of Linux
> -- or computing for that m
On Friday 31 May 2002 12:04 pm, you wrote:
> Still optimistic, dep? I, for one, am glad *that's* over. Nothing like
> having my hope clubbed to death like a baby seal to start my day off
> right. I should have known better. Once again, Caldera has snatched
> defeat from the jaws of victory. Fscki
On Friday 31 May 2002 12:14 pm, you wrote:
> Just in case no one's figured it out, I'm just pissed. Until this morning,
> I missed Caldera; I just realized that what I *really* missed was Caldera's
> potential and, with just a couple of exceptions, the people with whom I
> worked at Caldera. The
On Friday 31 May 2002 10:23 am, you wrote:
> On Thursday 30 May 2002 05:49 pm, dep wrote:
> > begin Condon Thomas A KPWA's quote:
> > | So, like, what you are saying is that the linux-users should turn
> > | out UserLinux?
> >
> > yup. except that it will be called "skippy standard linux" and ou
I was thinking of RH as that seems to be the best choice right now.
Keith Antoine wrote:
> On Friday 31 May 2002 04:16 am, you wrote:
>> Thanks all for the replies. It sounds very good - like it was done
>> right! However, if it's basically eD2.4 reorganized why do I want it when
>> I can get o
On Friday 31 May 2002 07:49 am, you wrote:
> begin Condon Thomas A KPWA's quote:
> | So, like, what you are saying is that the linux-users should turn
> | out UserLinux?
>
> yup. except that it will be called "skippy standard linux" and ought
> to be slavish in its adherence to the lsb and fhs.
On Friday 31 May 2002 07:41 am, you wrote:
> Did lycoris employ the same icon designers as Windows XP? It seems to
> visually be very windows alike, going from the website screenshots.
I seem to remember that I read somewhere that it was aimed initially at
windows refugees.
--
Keith Antoine (
On Friday 31 May 2002 07:15 am, you wrote:
> On Thu, 30 May 2002 13:16:05 -0500 "Brett I. Holcomb"
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thanks all for the replies. It sounds very good - like it was done
> > right! However, if it's basically eD2.4 reorganized why do I want it
> > when I can get othe
On Friday 31 May 2002 06:37 am, you wrote:
> I'm just getting used to this version of xcdroast, but was doing a
> batch of CDROMs last night. In the process, I think once or twice
> I thought the recording was done while the fixating was in fact
> still going on, and I forced the drive open anywa
On Friday 31 May 2002 05:48 am, you wrote:
> If Caldera is driving this, there's a Dead End sign just around the
> bend.
More loke a level crossing rouind the bend with a goods train coming at great
speed.
--
Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy'
18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australi
On Friday 31 May 2002 04:18 am, you wrote:
> begin Tim Wunder's quote:
> | The way I read it is that one of the differentiating factors left
> | to the distributions was the development of the desktop and which
> | apps would be installed. UnitedLinux would provide the base. End
> | user (deskt
On Friday 31 May 2002 04:16 am, you wrote:
> Thanks all for the replies. It sounds very good - like it was done right!
> However, if it's basically eD2.4 reorganized why do I want it when I can
> get others with the latest kernels, etc?
Errm, when you speak of 'others' what specifically do you m
Kurt Wall wrote:
>
> On Thu, 30 May 2002 10:10:02 -0400
> dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=81
>
>
> It's nothing but marketing and cost reduction; pity the poor souls still
> employed by one of the four companies -- more pin
On Thursday 30 May 2002 11:36 pm, you wrote:
> In addition to everything Lee said ...
>
> - The menu's are organized logically and with prose names like "CD
> Player" or somesuch rather than the consonant-laden gibberish that
> passes for menus on most distros.
>
> - Most all the options that a us
Am Freitag, 31. Mai 2002 23:59 schrieb Net Llama!:
> On Fri, 31 May 2002, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:
> 3 hours? Must be nice. I started it 5 hours ago, and its only 78% done.
> Then again, you're physically alot closer to the server than I.
On a nice day with a nice server, I get a ftp downloa
On Thursday 30 May 2002 07:43 pm, you wrote:
Icould not agree with you more, as for suse again in agreement but I had more
problems with trying to get the second ccddrive seen (dvd), in fact I did not
manage it. Also the presumption on install that it knows what partitions to
install on and wa
On Fri, 31 May 2002 09:32:36 -0400 (EDT)
Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 31 May 2002, Kurt Wall wrote:
> > Yes, quite. The Web site is definitely Caldera's. The registration for
> > unitedlinux.com makes it pretty clear that this is primarily the latest
> > Caldera-inspired aborti
On Fri, 31 May 2002 11:28:13 -0400
dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> begin [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s quote:
> | I tried to go read the "unitedyawnix" article, the link took me to
> | a page that said it wasn't available or something. Just so ya'll
> | know.
>
> yeah. we're being /.ed at the moment, a
Net Llama! wrote:
> On Fri, 31 May 2002, Pam R wrote:
> > Any opinions about Debian anyone, ,apart from the religious aspect that is
> > ;g) ?
>
> Aside from the religious zealotry of "GNU/Linux Debian", alot of people
> that I work with swear by it. They love APT.
>
> My personal experience wa
On Fri, 31 May 2002 16:49:56 -0400
begin Jerry McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth:
> Is anyone on the list running this mix of kernel resources? kernel
> 2.4.18, XFS, preempt-kernel-patch and lock-break-patch? If so, how'd you
> do it?
I haven't had good success with the preempt patch --
Replying to my own post ...
6 instances of Mozilla running: 'ps aux | grep moz'
root 4103 0.0 8.8 35640 22604 ? S15:44 0:02
/usr/lib/mozilla/
root 4105 0.0 8.8 35640 22604 ? S15:44 0:00
/usr/lib/mozilla/
root 4106 0.0 8.8 35640 22604 ? S15:44
Is it just me, or is there no explanation of how it is spread?
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/linux.simile.html
--
~~
Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux Step-by-step & TyGeMo
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote:
> For me, Knoppix really was worth 3 hours of download time.
> Klaus
3 hours? Must be nice. I started it 5 hours ago, and its only 78% done.
Then again, you're physically alot closer to the server than I.
--
~
Am Freitag, 31. Mai 2002 18:47 schrieb Randy Donohoe:
> I've been playing with this some more and it just keeps getting better.
> Lonni, it uses the 2.4.18-xfs kernel, KDE 2.2.2, has everything you
> would ever need including java, pppoe, etc. If it doesn't have it,
> apt-get it. I 've had it on 4
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Jason Joines wrote:
> Is there anyway to change the owner of a running process? I have a
> kiosk machine that only runs mozilla under the ID of browser. I would
> like to change the owner of the process to root once mozilla has
> started so that users would not be able
I haven't bothered to apply those two patches, but was planning to
whenever 2.4.19 came out. So what do you mean by 'flaky'?
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Jerry McBride wrote:
> Is anyone on the list running this mix of kernel resources? kernel 2.4.18,
> XFS, preempt-kernel-patch and lock-break-patch? I
Is anyone on the list running this mix of kernel resources? kernel 2.4.18,
XFS, preempt-kernel-patch and lock-break-patch? If so, how'd you do it?
I've been able to take a 2.4.18 kernel source tree, apply the preempt and
lock patches then
add in XFS. It'll compile ok, but seems to be flaky when r
Is there anyway to change the owner of a running process? I have a
kiosk machine that only runs mozilla under the ID of browser. I would
like to change the owner of the process to root once mozilla has
started so that users would not be able to kill the browser.
Thanks,
Jason Joines
Op
From: "Pam R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Any opinions about Debian anyone, ,apart from the religious aspect
that is
> ;g) ?
>
> Pam
Debian is great. I run Libranet 2.0, it's a lazy person's Debian. The
big problem with Debian is the install, but a Libranet install is as
easy as a Mandrake. Leon Goldst
On Fri, 31 May 2002 15:46:07 +0100
dallam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
When you try it, I encourage doing two things:
1> be sure to install the redhat-lsb rpm - it makes a few additions, links, and other
changes to make 7.3 essentially LSB compliant. It's also moved from RH's older
adherence to
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Pam R wrote:
> Any opinions about Debian anyone, ,apart from the religious aspect that is
> ;g) ?
Aside from the religious zealotry of "GNU/Linux Debian", alot of people
that I work with swear by it. They love APT.
My personal experience was a one time atempt at installing
On Fri, 31 May 2002 09:13:35 -0400 (EDT)
Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 May 2002, Ken Moffat wrote:
> > (Just loaded RH7.3. Anyone have opinions?)
>
> I rather like it. Redhat is starting to show signs of stability &
> maturity in ther distro. They could have just as easil
On Friday 31 May 2002 6:17 am, Ken Moffat wrote:
> > Nothing like having my hope clubbed to death like a baby seal
>
> ouch!
>
> Caldera sure brings out the best in everyone!
>
> I recently cautiously dabbled in Caldera after quite a bit of foraging in
> the wild looking for suitable nourishment.
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Michael Hipp wrote:
> Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > My understanding is that with a threaded app, you're seeing the
> > multiple threads off of the same parent process. This can best be
> > illustrated using 'pstree'. Its not a lie at all, just an
> > interpret
Net Llama! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My understanding is that with a threaded app, you're seeing the
> multiple threads off of the same parent process. This can best be
> illustrated using 'pstree'. Its not a lie at all, just an
> interpretation.
Pstree tells me they're threaded. But what d
That tab does not exist. I have only keyboard and mouse under
Peripherals.
I wonder where it went?
++ kevin
On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 02:54:10PM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> In the KDE control center, check out the Peripherals->CD-ROM tab.
>
> Turn off 'Open on insert'.
>
>
>
>
> On
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Randy Donohoe wrote:
> I've been playing with this some more and it just keeps getting better.
> Lonni, it uses the 2.4.18-xfs kernel, KDE 2.2.2, has everything you
Excellent! That's what I needed to hear (the xfs part, not KDE). Thanks,
i'll burn a copy today.
--
~~~
I've been playing with this some more and it just keeps getting better.
Lonni, it uses the 2.4.18-xfs kernel, KDE 2.2.2, has everything you
would ever need including java, pppoe, etc. If it doesn't have it,
apt-get it. I 've had it on 440, 810, VIA, Dell, Gateway, standalone,
networked, etc. I can
On Fri, 31 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Uhmmm...from what I read this morning, Red Hat and Mandrake have
> been "invited" to join in the fun.
Yes, but appears to be purely political posturing by the Quartet, as they
invited Redhat to join yesterday morning, even though the others had been
Uhmmm...from what I read this morning, Red Hat and Mandrake have
been "invited" to join in the fun.
Also you might thank God for Elx and Libranet. They are both a couple
of really good up and coming distros. ELX is RPM based while Libranet
is Debian based. Altho ELX is actually incorporating D
begin [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s quote:
| I tried to go read the "unitedyawnix" article, the link took me to
| a page that said it wasn't available or something. Just so ya'll
| know.
yeah. we're being /.ed at the moment, and our mysql server is
apparently objecting. try back in a little bit. sorry.
I tried to go read the "unitedyawnix" article, the link took me to a page
that said it wasn't available or something. Just so ya'll know.
Ray
On 30 May 2002, at 15:15, dep wrote:
snip
> which is why we put up an editorial entitled "unitedyawnix" after
> going over it all a second time. we need
Kurt Wall wrote:
>
> On Thu, 30 May 2002 13:12:36 -0400
> dep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > turns out, it's another way to get rich off of linux without having
> > any actual users. the desktop crowd was told to go pound sand, in
> > about that many words.
>
> Ya know, if you always do what
On 5/31/2002 10:50 AM, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote:
>
> I'm just skeptical, as if this problem was as evident as others claim, it
> would be far better known by now, especially as we approach the 1.0
> release.
>
Very close. In fact, what's available now from
http://ftp.mozilla.
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Michael Hipp wrote:
> Thanks, Lonni. But I'd like to better understand this.
>
> Am I misreading the output of px aux in that the 9.2 numbers are not
> additive. In other words, the first one is true, all after that are
> essentially a lie (a false reflection of the first)?
M
Thanks, Lonni. But I'd like to better understand this.
Am I misreading the output of px aux in that the 9.2 numbers are not
additive. In other words, the first one is true, all after that are
essentially a lie (a false reflection of the first)?
Opera:
root 3975 3.3 4.5 19240 11752 ?
gt; Subject: Re: [SLE] OT : Unified Linux
> Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:38:19 +0200
> From: Philipp Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Anders Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Anders Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20020531 03:10]
On Fri, 31 May 2002, Kurt Wall wrote:
> Yes, quite. The Web site is definitely Caldera's. The registration for
> unitedlinux.com makes it pretty clear that this is primarily the latest
> Caldera-inspired abortion:
>
> $ whois unitedlinux.com
> [noise deleted]
> Registrant:
>unitedlinux.com
>
First, those processes are threaded, and each is spawning another. They
are not 6 separate process threads. This is partly what allows you to
"multitask" with Mozilla, rather than the brain dead way that KMail does
things. So, its not really using that much of your memory.
Secondly, show me a
On Fri, 31 May 2002, dep wrote:
> begin Burns MacDonald's quote:
>
> | Their licensing stance sounds rather ominous and smacks of Ransom
> | Love (the friend of Open Source - not!).
>
> first, did you know that your machine is telling the world that it is
> july 26?
>
> second, rms has weighed i
On Thu, 30 May 2002, Ken Moffat wrote:
> > Nothing like having my hope clubbed to death like a baby seal
>
> ouch!
>
> Caldera sure brings out the best in everyone!
>
> I recently cautiously dabbled in Caldera after quite a bit of foraging in the wild
>looking for suitable nourishment. Thought 3.
On Thu, 30 May 2002 19:51:18 -0700 Ted Ozolins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On May 30, 2002 07:15 pm, Collins wrote:
>
> > >
> > > That's the last time I cross *my* fingers.
> >
> > We know about Caldera (Corporate Logo should be a toilet bowl all
> > aflush). The other players seem to have some
In the KDE control center, check out the Peripherals->CD-ROM tab.
Turn off 'Open on insert'.
On Thu, 30 May 2002 14:55:48 -0700
"Kevin O'Gorman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm really tired of seeing Konqueror every time I insert a CD.
> How do I shut it off without deleting everything I've
I'm really tired of seeing Konqueror every time I insert a CD.
How do I shut it off without deleting everything I've grown
used to about KDE? (This is the version that came with RH 7.1).
++ kevin
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Subject: Re: [SLE] OT : Unified Linux
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:38:19 +0200
From: Philipp Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Anders Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anders Johansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20020531 03:10]:
>Of cour
begin Burns MacDonald's quote:
| Their licensing stance sounds rather ominous and smacks of Ransom
| Love (the friend of Open Source - not!).
first, did you know that your machine is telling the world that it is
july 26?
second, rms has weighed in:
http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?na
On Fri, 31 May 2002 15:42:59 +1000
James McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> which reminds me how do you automatically kill of dead processes? I found
> that I had quite a few that were still in the list and hadn't been used for 2
> days
What do you mean by "dead processes?" If you are
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