Re: Name your poison

2003-08-27 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Andrew Mathews: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering what the most favored UNIX flavors are amongst us all, and how much that contributed to the use of Linux, regardless of distro. So we difide it in different segments Slowlaris is what

Sysadmin/Web Programming Position for YOU

2003-08-27 Thread Lonni J Friedman
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Re: Sysadmin/Web Programming Position for YOU

2003-08-27 Thread Net Llama!
On 08/26/03 16:36, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Lonni J Friedman: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html Why, pray tell, would I need to speak with animals? customers? managers? coworkers? -- ~ L. Friedman

Re: Name your poison

2003-08-27 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Andrew Mathews: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering what the most favored UNIX flavors are amongst us all, and how much that contributed to the use of Linux, regardless of distro. So we difide it in

Re: WeLoveTheSCOInformationMinister

2003-08-27 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Alma J Wetzker: Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:42:56 -0700 Tony Alfrey wrote: Why, send in your licensing fee to SCO for all the stolen IP stuff you have in your linux boxen, and I'm sure they'll get right back to you. grin Jeeze (slap to head), why didn't I think

Re: relays.osirusoft.com disappeared?

2003-08-27 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Bill Campbell: On Tue, Aug 26, 2003, Andrew Mathews wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Seems that the relays.osirusoft.com dnsbl server(s) have dropped off the face of the earth. Anybody heard what's happening? Joe's taken these offline, and has no plans at

Re: No longer any xwindows on RedHat 7.3

2003-08-27 Thread Ian Stephen
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 11:53, Carruth, Matt wrote: I've been running Redhat 7.3 snip Last week, I rebooted and the xwindows system did not come up. Something like this happened once on my RH8 system. /var/lib/xkb was gone and default font 'fixed' was gone. Re-installing the XFree86 rpm

Re: Apache setup help

2003-08-27 Thread Joel Hammer
Just how are you serving up this document to your browser? Is Apache actually doing it? Have you put a file named index.html into the root directory? What is your root directory? Is your document valid html? Joel On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 03:49:44PM -0700, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: James

Re: Apache setup help

2003-08-27 Thread ronnie gauthier
Use the sample file that came with your apache install and readD the comments in it. Sorta like a quick start. Change what you understand, dont touch what you dont and you will most likely get going OK. On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:49:44 -0700 - Condon Thomas A KPWA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the

Re: Sysadmin/Web Programming Position for YOU

2003-08-27 Thread Andrew Mathews
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Wall wrote: | Quoth Lonni J Friedman: | |http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html | | | Why, pray tell, would I need to speak with animals? | | Kurt Well, after all, you're talking to a llama now. g - -- Andrew Mathews -

Re: Apache setup help

2003-08-27 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Condon Thomas A KPWA: Folks, I'm trying to set up an Apache server to host my own web pages. I'm running it on a Gentoo system with a Celleron processor. It is networked to my home net and I'm accessing it from the SuSE 8.0 desktop I use to access the web normally. I'm trying

Re: Sysadmin/Web Programming Position for YOU

2003-08-27 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Andrew Mathews: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Wall wrote: | Quoth Lonni J Friedman: | |http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html | | | Why, pray tell, would I need to speak with animals? | | Kurt Well, after all, you're talking to a llama

Re: No longer any xwindows on RedHat 7.3

2003-08-27 Thread Net Llama!
On 08/26/03 16:51, Ian Stephen wrote: On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 11:53, Carruth, Matt wrote: I've been running Redhat 7.3 snip Last week, I rebooted and the xwindows system did not come up. Something like this happened once on my RH8 system. /var/lib/xkb was gone and default font 'fixed' was

Best summary of the SCO idiocy

2003-08-27 Thread Collins Richey
If you have time for a lengthy read, the very best summary of the SCO lawsuit is here: http://www.opensource.org/halloween/halloween9.html -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for.

Re: Tape drives

2003-08-27 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
How much do you want to spend? I used Wangdat under Windows for a long time. I have a tape library that uses an Exabyte. Randy Donohoe wrote: Awhile back there was a discussion of the best tape drives for Linux. I need a drive in the 20-30GB range, any suggestions on type and brand?TIA,

Re: No longer any xwindows on RedHat 7.3

2003-08-27 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Carruth, Matt: I've been running Redhat 7.3 on an old Gateway e-3000 system for months and never had any problem. Last week, I rebooted and the xwindows system did not come up. What's changed? During the reboot, the loader opens and I see a nice display showing all listed

Re: WeLoveTheSCOInformationMinister

2003-08-27 Thread Richard Thompson
On 26 Aug 2003 at 19:49, Kurt Wall wrote: snip perfect demonstration of the difference between reasoning logically and reasoning correctly. Maybe it's just my day to be dense, but I'm not seeing much difference between reasoning logically and reasoning correctly. And certainly not when

Re: relays.osirusoft.com disappeared?

2003-08-27 Thread Andrew Mathews
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Campbell wrote: | On Tue, Aug 26, 2003, Andrew Mathews wrote: | |-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- |Hash: SHA1 | | |Seems that the relays.osirusoft.com dnsbl server(s) have dropped off the |face of the earth. Anybody heard what's happening? | | |

Re: Sysadmin/Web Programming Position for YOU

2003-08-27 Thread Tim Wunder
On Tuesday 26 August 2003 7:26 pm, someone claiming to be Lonni J Friedman wrote: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html /me spits drink thru nose Hilarious! But why isn't this posted to general? ;-) Tim -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-19.8, KDE 3.1.3, Xfree86 4.2.1 9:45pm

LILO fubar

2003-08-27 Thread Steve Jardine
Heya all, This is actually about SILO for a SPARC, but I think that LILO works pretty much the same. I was fooling around the other day and changed silo.conf. I typed 'silo' (doh) and waxed the boot process. I get the SILO prompt at boot, but I have to manually type the path to the kernel

Re: Tape drives

2003-08-27 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Bill Campbell: [tape drive preferences] You might want to consider using external firewire hard drives. You can buy 120gb units from CompUSA which handle USB2 and Firewire for about $220 each. Given the cost of media for DLT the cost for a 120gb drive is comparable to the number of

Re: Tape drives

2003-08-27 Thread Michael Hipp
Kurt Wall wrote: I like this idea. Has the Linux support for FireWire become mature enough that using an external FireWire drive as a backup is viable? I'm supposing so, or you wouldn't have suggested it, but this is my day to ask obvious questions. Don't know about Firewire, but USB 2.0 works

Re: Tape drives

2003-08-27 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Bill Campbell: [tape drive preferences] You might want to consider using external firewire hard drives. You can buy 120gb units from CompUSA which handle USB2 and Firewire for about $220 each. Given the cost of media for DLT the cost for a 120gb

Re: Tape drives

2003-08-27 Thread Bill Campbell
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003, Michael Hipp wrote: Kurt Wall wrote: I like this idea. Has the Linux support for FireWire become mature enough that using an external FireWire drive as a backup is viable? I'm supposing so, or you wouldn't have suggested it, but this is my day to ask obvious questions. Don't

Re: Test

2003-08-27 Thread Tom Condon
On Tuesday 26 August 2003 21:17, burns carved in granite: radio check, over There are no checks in radio buttons, only in check boxes. In Harmony's Way and In A Chord, Tom ;-}) Tom. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 A Jester Unemployed

Re: Apache setup help

2003-08-27 Thread Tom Condon
On Tuesday 26 August 2003 17:45, Kurt Wall carved in granite: This hardly seems sufficient. This is one situation where using the sample httpd.conf file will help you. It seems long, but it's mostly comments. Entries I change ServerAdmin ServerName CustomLog User Group DocumentRoot

Re: Test

2003-08-27 Thread Terence McCarthy
On 27 Aug 2003 00:17:17 -0400 burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: radio check, over OK, over ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users

(fwd) Re: osirusoft.com DNS BLs are broken ...

2003-08-27 Thread Kurt Wall
For those of you who wondered what happened to relays.osirusoft.com, this message from LKML. - Forwarded message from Stan Bubrouski [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Stan Bubrouski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matti Aarnio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:34:51

Re: Test

2003-08-27 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth burns: radio check, over Under. In. Through. Beside. K -- You will lose your present job and have to become a door to door mayonnaise salesman. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -

Re: Tape drives

2003-08-27 Thread Randy Donohoe
How much do you want to spend? I used Wangdat under Windows for a long time. I have a tape library that uses an Exabyte. After the replies I started looking at the types mentioned. Even a Travan is going to run 200-300. I'd like to keep it under 300 so I guess I'll start looking on eBay for a

Re: Apache setup help

2003-08-27 Thread Tim Wunder
On Tuesday 26 August 2003 5:54 pm, someone claiming to be Tom Condon wrote: snip Thanks. The syntax is OK according to apachectl. I set: ServerName spyder.condonia.org User webuser Group webgroup DocumentRoot /web/site.burps/htdocs This URL contains the same HTML code that I'm working

Re: Apache setup help

2003-08-27 Thread Tom Condon
On Wednesday 27 August 2003 04:29, Tim Wunder carved in granite: What are the permissions on the directory: web/site.burps/htdocs and the file: web/site.burps/htdocs/BURPS.html Permissions on the directories are 755 (drwxr-xr-x) and on all of the files are 544 (-rw-r--r--). In Harmony's

Re: Apache setup help

2003-08-27 Thread Tim Wunder
On 8/27/2003 1:12 AM, someone claiming to be Tom Condon wrote: On Wednesday 27 August 2003 04:29, Tim Wunder carved in granite: What are the permissions on the directory: web/site.burps/htdocs and the file: web/site.burps/htdocs/BURPS.html Permissions on the directories are 755 (drwxr-xr-x)

Re: Apache setup help

2003-08-27 Thread Tom Condon
On Wednesday 27 August 2003 05:27, Tim Wunder carved in granite: Permissions on the directories are 755 (drwxr-xr-x) and on all of the files are 544 (-rw-r--r--). Well, that's not the problem, then :-( Is there another conf file that Apache may be looking at, possibly in

Re: Apache setup help

2003-08-27 Thread Tim Wunder
On 8/27/2003 1:45 AM, someone claiming to be Tom Condon wrote: On Wednesday 27 August 2003 05:27, Tim Wunder carved in granite: Permissions on the directories are 755 (drwxr-xr-x) and on all of the files are 544 (-rw-r--r--). Well, that's not the problem, then :-( Is there another conf file

Re: Test

2003-08-27 Thread Shawn Tayler
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Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users

2003-08-27 Thread Jason Joines
We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about 50,000 users. At the moment the predominant faculty/staff mail system is Lotus

ADMIN: please don't copy the bounce address!

2003-08-27 Thread Douglas J Hunley
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Some people's MUAs apparently sometimes include the list list bounce address on a 'Reply-All' (the address would be listname[EMAIL PROTECTED]) . Please check that your MUA is not doing this. Anything sent to the bounce address is marked against YOU

Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users

2003-08-27 Thread David A. Bandel
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:00:25 -0500 Jason Joines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about

Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users

2003-08-27 Thread Mike Reinehr
I only know what I've read about it, but it sounds like Ximian Evolution would be just the product for you: http://www.ximian.com/products/evolution/ cmr On Wednesday 27 August 2003 09:00 am, you wrote: We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is

Re: WeLoveTheSCOInformationMinister

2003-08-27 Thread Alma J Wetzker
Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:49:26 -0400 Quoth Alma J Wetzker: Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:42:56 -0700 I guess I just don't see how sco can even think of suing when they have released distros under the gpl. It defies logic! Not at all. SCO's premise is

Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users

2003-08-27 Thread Andrew Mathews
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Joines wrote: | We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is | about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one | big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about | 50,000

Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users

2003-08-27 Thread Jason Joines
David A. Bandel wrote: On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:00:25 -0500 Jason Joines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one big combined system for all employees and students.

Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users

2003-08-27 Thread Tim Wunder
On 8/27/2003 12:31 PM, someone claiming to be Andrew Mathews wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Joines wrote: | We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is | about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one | big combined

Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users

2003-08-27 Thread Net Llama!
Ya, evolkution is an Outlook clone. Its not an exchange clone, AFAIK. On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Tim Wunder wrote: Isn't that just for the client end, to connect to the servers? On 8/27/2003 12:03 PM, someone claiming to be Mike Reinehr wrote: I only know what I've read about it, but it sounds

Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users

2003-08-27 Thread Mike Reinehr
I should have remembered the proverb: Better to be silent and let people think you are a fool, than to speak and let them know it. My bad. Spoke about something I know nothing about. cmr On Wednesday 27 August 2003 12:16 pm, you wrote: Ya, evolkution is an Outlook clone. Its not an exchange

Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users

2003-08-27 Thread Andrew Mathews
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tim Wunder wrote: [...] | | phpgroupware. | http://phpgroupware.com | | | Do you use it? I've looked at it for our small network here, but haven't | tried to implement it yet. | | Tim Yes. We have around 2000 users and it works quite well.

Re: ADMIN: please don't copy the bounce address!

2003-08-27 Thread Gerry Doris
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Some people's MUAs apparently sometimes include the list list bounce address on a 'Reply-All' (the address would be listname[EMAIL PROTECTED]) . Please check that your MUA is not doing this. Anything sent to the bounce address is marked against

Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users

2003-08-27 Thread Alma J Wetzker
Jason Joines [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:00:25 -0500 We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about 50,000 users. At

Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users

2003-08-27 Thread Gerry Doris
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tim Wunder wrote: [...] | | phpgroupware. | http://phpgroupware.com | | | Do you use it? I've looked at it for our small network here, but haven't | tried to implement it yet. | | Tim Yes. We have around 2000 users and it works quite

Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users

2003-08-27 Thread Net Llama!
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Gerry Doris wrote: I'mn surprised you haven't plugged SpamAssassin into the mix. Is there a reason for that? Maybe cause its track record lately isn't that great. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman

[OT] Knoppix download

2003-08-27 Thread Shannon Scott
I tried to download the latest knoppixto write a CDtoday at www.knoppix.org... I hope this isn't the way of the future... Does anyone know where else I can find a knoppix download? Thank You. Shannon ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL

Re: [OT] Knoppix download

2003-08-27 Thread Tim Wunder
On 8/27/2003 2:46 PM, someone claiming to be Shannon Scott wrote: I tried to download the latest knoppix to write a CD today at www.knoppix.org... I hope this isn't the way of the future... Does anyone know where else I can find a knoppix download? Many European-based sites are doing that to

Re: [OT] Knoppix download

2003-08-27 Thread Andrew Mathews
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shannon Scott wrote: | I tried to download the latest knoppix to write a CD today at www.knoppix.org... | | I hope this isn't the way of the future... | | Does anyone know where else I can find a knoppix download? | | Thank You. | Shannon

Re: FTp -- WTF ?!?! ..More Info

2003-08-27 Thread Ben Duncan
Ok, I have wiped and reloaded SuSE 8.2 on the laptop (You can screw up BIG time if you configure a kernel and forgot to make modules/install before rebooting). I used their vsftpd daemon. rcp FROM my Workstation/Server to the Laptop screams. However ftp'ing from the Workstation/Server to the

Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users

2003-08-27 Thread Andrew Mathews
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gerry Doris wrote: [...] |phpgroupware/sendmail/MIMEDefang/clamav gives us shared calendars, [...] | | I'mn surprised you haven't plugged SpamAssassin into the mix. Is there a | reason for that? | | Gerry We don't really need it. We run Symantec AV on

Re: FTp -- WTF ?!?! ..More Info

2003-08-27 Thread Aaron Grewell
Ben Duncan wrote: It's just that, for SOME REASON, going thru the ftpd on the Laptop, to upload and it slows to a crawl. Does'nt seem to change no matter which ftpd service I install - have tried ProFtd, and the BSD ftpd as well. I am really stumped now. Wow, this is really a strange one. One

Re: FTp -- WTF ?!?! ..More Info

2003-08-27 Thread Ben Duncan
Ok, did that. I have been testing some more. This GETS weird. All files GOING thru the Laptops ftpd services take about 4 seconds EACH regardless of size. ie. a 20MB file transfered in 4 seconds, a 20K file - 4 seconds, a 1K file 4 seconds, and a (GET this !!!) 40 BYTE file - 4 seconds. Now the

Re: FTp -- WTF ?!?! ..More Info

2003-08-27 Thread Aaron Grewell
Ben Duncan wrote: Ok, did that. I have been testing some more. This GETS weird. All files GOING thru the Laptops ftpd services take about 4 seconds EACH regardless of size. ie. a 20MB file transfered in 4 seconds, a 20K file - 4 seconds, a 1K file 4 seconds, and a (GET this !!!) 40 BYTE file - 4

Re: FTp -- WTF ?!?! ..More Info

2003-08-27 Thread Ben Duncan
Yup, 100MB on a Switch, Only 4 Computers on it. A; Workstation (WS) This one which is a Suse 8.0 modifed B: Caldera 1.3 stock ... C: The Laptop - SuSe 8.2 stock, D: A Winslut 98SE machine. Ok, NOW it looks like this is localized, but still perplexing. WS to Caldera 1.3 ftp services - goes as

Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users

2003-08-27 Thread James McDonald
Jason Joines wrote: We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about 50,000 users. We run a single M$ E2K server for around 1000

Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users

2003-08-27 Thread James McDonald
Jason Joines wrote: We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about 50,000 users. At the moment the predominant faculty/staff

Microsoft hides behind Linux for protection

2003-08-27 Thread Gary Wilson
Microsoft hides behind Linux for protection http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/linuxunix/0,39020390,39115920,00.htm __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users

Test

2003-08-27 Thread burns
radio check, over -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users

Re: Test

2003-08-27 Thread Matt . Carpenter
10-4 buddy. I gotcha loud-n-cleer! burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/27/2003 12:17 AM Please respond to general To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Test radio check, over --