Re: [IFWP] RE: [ga] Fwd: ICANN prepares a Congressional fix with Rick White' s GIP inspir...

1999-10-12 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Gaetano and Everyone, Mr. Gaetano, you can review the relevant documents at http://www.icann.org and http://www.dnso.org . The precise URL's I am sure you can find for yourself I would hope. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roberto and everybody else,

[IFWP] RE: [ga] Fwd: ICANN prepares a Congressional fix with RickWhite' s GIP inspir...

1999-10-12 Thread Mikki Barry
At 2:20 PM +0200 10/12/99, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roberto and everybody else, Roberto, it seems that you have not been paying very close attention. Rick White is not a member of the GA and as such cannot be nominated or elected in accordance with

[IFWP] Re: [names] consensus and the contracts

1999-10-12 Thread Jay Fenello
This is one of the few occasions where I agree with Joe. The NSI/ICANN/Commerce deal does gives NSI some protections over ICANN's egregious manipulations of the definition of consensus, but it does little to protect anyone else. :-( Jay. At 11:17 AM 10/12/99 , Joe Sims wrote: This may be

[IFWP] Re: [ga] Rick White's nomination -- Newsbytes report _ [Attn. Editor of Newsbytes]

1999-10-12 Thread Jeff Williams
Mark and all, Mark C. Langston wrote: Newsbytes is reporting that at least 5 of the people supporting Rick White's nomination as a candidate for the ICANN BoD are NOT members of the DNSO. Mike Roberts attempts to weasel out of this violation. Yes he sure did try a cheep weasel job with

RE: [IFWP] RE: [ga] Fwd: ICANN prepares a Congressional fix with Rick White' s GIP inspir...

1999-10-12 Thread R . Gaetano
Mikki Barry wrote: At 2:20 PM +0200 10/12/99, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I didn't pay attention - I already wrote to Mikki/Gordon that I might have missed something - but where is it written that the person to be nominated has to be a member of the GA? Hey guys, all I did was

[IFWP] Re: [names] Re: Discussions on lists

1999-10-11 Thread Jay Fenello
At 10:28 AM 10/10/99 , Joe Sims wrote: Jon, I certainly agree with everything in your post below, and do not believe that anything I have posted is inconsistent with it. It is mildly amusing but also frustrating to me that Jay and some others feel perfectly free to attack ICANN, its Board, its

Re: [IFWP] Re: [ga] Becky Burr freezes root servers

1999-10-10 Thread Sr. Francisco Fanego
"J. Baptista" wrote: On Sat, 9 Oct 1999, Dan Birchall wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 1999 at 11:14:54PM -0400, J. Baptista wrote: I has come to my attention that Becky Burr of the Department of Commerce has frozen the root and even NSI isn't allowed to add new namesevres for com. I'm

Re: [IFWP] Re: [ga] Becky Burr freezes root servers

1999-10-10 Thread Jeff Williams
Joe and all, You really don't believe that the NTIA or Becky Burr is going to tell you why this was done do you Joe? Oh sure we will get some sort of "Official statement" possibly, but that's about it J. Baptista wrote: On Sat, 9 Oct 1999, Dan Birchall wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 1999 at

Re: [IFWP] Re: DNSO Expenses and other things [Fwd: Comments on Proposed At Large Membership]

1999-10-10 Thread Sr. Francisco Fanego
Excuse me, but I don't see any bio-socialist representation here unless I go to the washroom and look in the mirror; right now its not to bad, I have a five day old beard, but in one week I swear to God I will look like Che Guevaras twin, can smebody tell me wher I can find a supermarket that

Re: [IFWP] Re: DNSO Expenses and other things [Fwd: Comments on Proposed At Large Membership]

1999-10-10 Thread Michael Sondow
Francisco Fanego wrote: I have spent a fortune on bourgouise blades, and the only other alternative is the Bic disposable, If I was a woman I would ask you about another problem, but I just want to take care of myself before I can really say I am able to contribute whole-heartedly I

[IFWP] Re: [ga] Illicit candidacies for DNSO Board seats [Attn. NTIA and DOC]

1999-10-10 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Sondow and Everyone, The whole election process that the DNSO has held has been nothing but a sham and a nearly complete fraud. I don't believe that I need to outline the reasons, as they have already been stated by others... What is amazing to me is that the USG in the NTIA/DOC has

[IFWP] Re: [ga] DNSO Expenses - [Attention Becky Burr William Daley]

1999-10-09 Thread Jeff Williams
Mark and all, To go along with Mark and Chris's excellent comments here I would again remind everyone that the current DNSO pNC and secretariat were not determined on any consensus decision from the Singapore meeting. In fact this was hotly contested and protested against to no avail. To me

[IFWP] Re: [ga] Proposed GA Adcom

1999-10-09 Thread Jeff Williams
Kilnam and all, I too agree with Karl here. But it seems that a very few of the pNC and those in the Wg-d?, "Outreach" and the DNSO list Admin. are not. This has been made very evident in that still the DNSO GA list is still not allowing several folks that are members of that list cannot

[IFWP] Re: [names] Consensus on consensus

1999-10-08 Thread Jay Fenello
At 10:34 AM 10/8/99 , Jay Fenello wrote: At 08:41 AM 10/8/99 , Joe Sims wrote: ___ This message is intended for the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy,

[IFWP] Re: [ga] Cross-posting

1999-10-08 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Sola and Everyone, Mr. Sola, I fail to see a direct relevance of cross posting to spam. I also do not know of a legal definition of spam that is broadly excepted to date. Could you perhaps provide one? Javier wrote: Definitely the best defense of spamming I have seen in a long time.

[IFWP] Re: Proposed Bylaws Amendments

1999-10-08 Thread Michael Sondow
Andrew McLaughlin wrote: A set of proposed amendments to the existing ICANN Bylaws has been posted for public review and comment. Why don't you take your proposed bylaws amendments, Mr. McLaughlin, and, as an old Spanish refrain says, "metetelos donde mejor te quepan".

[IFWP] Re: [ga] Please excuse my ignorance/confusion

1999-10-05 Thread Jeff Williams
Eric and all, No need to an excuse here Eric at all. Many I am sure are confused or don't know where this is going including myself. Some disagreement remains as to how and whom should be eligible as Adcom members and chair and co-chair as well. What is even more confusing is why the DNSO

[IFWP] Re: [announce] Results from the NCtelecon September 23rd, 1999

1999-10-04 Thread Jeff Williams
Dear list Admin and all, The only problem with this announcment is it is in part after the fact. It is now October 4th and the "Next" telecom has already been heard... I might also add, thereby in violation of the ICANN bylaws. :( DNSO Listadmin wrote: [To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] [Cc:

[IFWP] Re: UDRP and anti-trust?

1999-10-04 Thread Jeff Williams
Ken and all, In a very few instances is what Ken is stating here accurate. The "Registration COntract" is both ambiguous and not legally enforceable, not to mention it is based on the "Accreditation POlicy" edicted by ICANN which did not enjoy a measurable consensus at Singapore. Therefore,

[IFWP] Re: [ga] Proposed GA Adcom

1999-10-01 Thread Jeff Williams
Vany and all, Any determination of a "GA Chair" should pass the muster of a GA membership vote for ratification. Vany Martinez wrote: Hi to all: We need also to take into account the ICANN Bylaws, http://www.icann.org/general/bylaws.htm Article VI, Section 2 (i) The NC shall

Re: [IFWP] Re: [ga] Proposed GA Adcom

1999-10-01 Thread Sr. Francisco Fanego
What power does the GA actually have? I know I'm treadibng on sacred ground, but honestly, you guys have always had your "cup of tea" + newsreal; how can you hope to make a come back? Francisco Jeff Williams wrote: Vany and all, Any determination of a "GA Chair" should pass the muster of

Re: [IFWP] Re: [ga] Proposed GA Adcom

1999-10-01 Thread Sr. Francisco Fanego
"Sr. Francisco Fanego" wrote: What power does the GA actually have? I know I'm treadibng on sacred ground, but honestly, you guys have always had your "cup of tea" + newsreal; how can you hope to make a come back? Francisco Jeff Williams wrote: Vany and all, Any determination

Re: [IFWP] Re: [ga] Proposed GA Adcom

1999-10-01 Thread Sr. Francisco Fanego
When cna I get vback to to the tedium, "CHERNOBYL", if you dont'n you this critique then you are OK. Franiswcouawawa. want my real name, prey,.. ff "Sr. Francisco Fanego" wrote: "Sr. Francisco Fanego" wrote: What power does

Re: [IFWP] Re: [ga] Proposed GA Adcom

1999-10-01 Thread Sr. Francisco Fanego
Jeff Williams wrote: Vany and all, Any determination of a "GA Chair" should pass the muster of a GA membership vote for ratification. Vany Martinez wrote: Hi to all: We need also to take into account the ICANN Bylaws, http://www.icann.org/general/bylaws.htm Article VI,

Re: [IFWP] Re: [ga] Proposed GA Adcom

1999-10-01 Thread Sr. Francisco Fanego
Si senior,3 Francisco Jeff Williams wrote: Vany and all, Any determination of a "GA Chair" should pass the muster of a GA membership vote for ratification. Vany Martinez wrote: Hi to all: We need also to take into account the ICANN Bylaws,

Re: [IFWP] Re: Four more years... Four more years... Eight more years?

1999-09-29 Thread A. Gehring
Jeff, Excellent work. btw Who is Steve Page? Sounds familiar, but I can't quite place it. ag

[IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] SC Nominations, withdrawals

1999-09-29 Thread J. Baptista
Joop: Too much of the idno's time is spent on proceedure and not enough time is being spent on membership drives. You need more members in the idno, not more proceedure. You'll find once your membership exceeds the 1,000 mark there will be no need for this type of protection. There is safety

[IFWP] Re:

1999-09-29 Thread Jeff Williams
Joe Judith and all, Well I have read it, and I don't see all of what you are talking about here. But in any event, I am not too concerned. If ICANN tries to make me sigh an agreement upon renewal that is egregious there are several legal avenues I can take. I may sign it but I will do so

[IFWP] Re: domain name revocation policies

1999-09-29 Thread Jeff Williams
Judith and all, No I have not. We signed before these agreements were in place. At any rate those agreements are not legally enforceable under US law currently according to my legal staff, and the current legal record, which is growing bears that out. Judith Oppenheimer wrote: Jeff

[IFWP] Re: domain name revocation policies

1999-09-29 Thread Judith Oppenheimer
http://www.networksolutions.com/legal/agreement.html D. Dispute Policy Changes or Modifications. Registrant agrees that NSI, in its sole discretion, may change or modify the Dispute Policy, incorporated by reference herein, at any time. Registrant agrees that Registrant's maintaining the

[IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] SC Nominations, withdrawals

1999-09-29 Thread Bill Lovell
At 12:52 AM 9/30/99 +1200, you wrote: Reminds me of a thing I read in the Oregonian today: In this one country, the penalty for voting against the death penalty was . . . the death penalty. Bill Lovell At 07:39 AM 29/09/1999 -0400, Ken Stubbs wrote: i am curious here joop please show me

[IFWP] Re: ICANN, U.S. Department of Commerce, and Network Solutions, Inc., Announce Tentative Agreements

1999-09-29 Thread Michael Sondow
Andrew McLaughlin wrote: (Marina del Rey, CA) -- The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) announced today that it had tentatively reached a set of agreements with the U.S. Department of Commerce and Network Solutions, Inc. (NSI), to resolve outstanding differences

[IFWP] Re: Reminder -- Bylaws Amendments Posted for Public Comment

1999-09-29 Thread Michael Sondow
You wrote: Reminder to the Internet community: A set of recommended Bylaws amendments have been posted for public comment on the ICANN website You never payed any attention to comments from the public before, Mr. McLaughlin. Why should we believe that you will do so now?

Re: [IFWP] Re: response

1999-09-28 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Baptista and Everyone, Mr. Baptista, your observations here are likely very close to being correct, given Mr. Stubbs history. I would add that he seems to have a fixation problem with anyone interfering in what you outline here in brief as well My observations an reading on ICANN,

Re: [IFWP] Re: Domain for sale - A challange for Esther Dyson.

1999-09-28 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Baptista and Everyone, Your opinion of Esther Dyson is commendable, but I fear misplaced and a bit extreme. I had not thought that the possible purpose of registering this Domain could be a ploy such as you suggest, Mr. Baptista. But now that you mention it, it could be. I for one hope

[IFWP] Re: PCCF please focus on facts....

1999-09-28 Thread J. Baptista
On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, John D. Goodspeed wrote: Joe and pccf, Your often vulgar tone makes it hard for anyone to believe that you have any particular respectability. I for one have serious doubts about both you and the pccf organization which you purport to represent. Perhaps if you were a

Re: [IFWP] Re: response

1999-09-28 Thread J. Baptista
From what I can see, Ken Stubbs and friends have not only lost the battle, they have lost the war. If they feel they have the right to run the world, then they can appeal to those who control it, just like everyone else will have too. Regards Joe On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, Brian C. Hollingsworth

[IFWP] Re: Basket and eggs, was Re: ICANN and IBM

1999-09-28 Thread J. Baptista
Pity - we will be incorporating a root server check into our bind2000 survey. If even a slim survey exists I would be interested in seeing it. I hope your wrong and Kent is not full of hot air. Too much hot air in these conferences. But winter is here, so it may not be such a bad thing, all

[IFWP] Re: Policy Authority over Authoritative Root Server -- was (Re: whois database only costs $10,000

1999-09-28 Thread Jeff Williams
Darrell and all, Yes, the full text is as follows: Management of the Authoritative Root Server Nothing in these agreements affects the current arrangements regarding management of the authoritative root server. NSI will continue to manage the authoritative root server in accordance with the

[IFWP] Re: Four more years... Four more years... Eight more years?

1999-09-28 Thread Jeff Williams
Pappas and all, Yep, and that is the price that ICANN forced upon the stakeholders for being so stupid. But all in all this tentative agreement is always open for renegotiations, though I doubt that that can occur now. At least this gives the stakeholder to work with ELECTED officials in

[IFWP] Re: [IDNO-DISCUSS] Mikki's posting on the URDP draft

1999-09-27 Thread Jeff Williams
Joop and all IDNO'ers, I don't want to take away from Mikkis effort, but it is just possible at the very least that Joop here has a very strong argument. Is there really a need for a UDRP. I wonder this myself? BUt we [INEGroup] have our prepared in response anyway. But now that I think on

[IFWP] Re: IP: ICANN and IBM

1999-09-27 Thread Ellen Rony
On September 25, 1999, a message from John Patrick of IBM was posted on several of the the DNS-related mailing lists that I inhabit. It is certainly important for those of us monitoring ICANN's activities to hear the reasons behind IBM's involvement and bridge grant to ICANN. Nonetheless, as

[IFWP] Re: Domain for sale

1999-09-27 Thread J. Baptista
On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Ken Stubbs wrote: its sad to see the recent events with baptista, hollingsworth, rizzo etc Ken. You have nothing to say with respect to hollingsworth or rizzo, because in your own words, you don't know if their real or imaginary. Now - with respect to myself, you know

[IFWP] Re: response

1999-09-27 Thread J. Baptista
Ken. Let's get real, what this is about is if Ken ever makes the millions he needs to live a great life, and will Ken's friends make those millions with Ken. Ken's afraid all his plans and those of his friends are going to go down the drain. Ken worried he's going to lose power, a power he

[IFWP] Re: Domain for sale

1999-09-27 Thread J. Baptista
If Esthers good, and I know she's top drawer - I'm certain she won't even blink. Domainac's chance in being sued by Esther is remote. On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Rusty H. Hodge wrote: I suspect that Domainac is trying to get himself sued by Esther, so he can get some of the ICANN issues he's

[IFWP] Re: BOUNCE list@ifwp.org: Non-member submission from [Ken Stubbs kstubbs@dninet.net]

1999-09-27 Thread Richard J. Sexton
That's "libel", Ken, not "liable". And thats "they're = they are", not "their", Joe. Carry on the good work. You both make me proud. At 09:50 PM 9/27/99 -0400, you wrote: From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Sep 27 21:50:56 1999 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received:

Re: [IFWP] Re: Domain for sale

1999-09-27 Thread Jeff Williams
Joe and all, I think it is more likely that Esther knows that if she did sue, she would lose and lose badly. I just wish that the site that Russ put up was a little more lively! ;) J. Baptista wrote: If Esthers good, and I know she's top drawer - I'm certain she won't even blink.

[IFWP] Re: Basket and eggs, was Re: ICANN and IBM

1999-09-25 Thread Jeff Williams
Ed and all, Well done here Ed. You couldn't be more correct. But as you can tell from John Patricks own words, is that this is not of great concern to the GIP , IBM or the ICANN for that matter. Ed Gerck wrote: John: I applaud your initiative of coming forward with a reasoning for the

[IFWP] Re: [ga] [resend] STV voting method

1999-09-24 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Professor Froomkin and Elisabeth, It seems like the current election process for NC members currently underway is also very distorted. Could this be a contrived situation? One wonders. Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law wrote: On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Elisabeth Porteneuve wrote:

[IFWP] Re: [ga] [resend] STV voting method - DNSO NC election out of control?

1999-09-24 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Langston and Everyone, Mr. Langston, it is not beginning to look like the current NC election process underway is very much as you describe. Several nominees, such as Jeff Williams have been prevented purposfully from being even nominated by members of the DNSO GA list as the instructions

[IFWP] Re: [ga] [resend] STV voting method - Censorship in process with the DNSO?

1999-09-24 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Gaetano and Everyone, Your question Mr. Gaetano is a very good one. Such a situation should not occur. It seems now that several others that have been involved in these debates, such as myself and Jeff Williams as well are also prevented form posting to the GA DNSO list as well as any

[IFWP] Re: FYI: LA briefing

1999-09-23 Thread Michael Sondow
Diane Cabell wrote: For those of you heading to ICANN's LA meeting, the Berkman Center will be holding a briefing program on Sunday, October 31. Our students are researching key issues so that participants will have more of the relevant data that bears on the decisions ahead. That is,

[IFWP] Re: {Attention Esther Dyson] to: Re: [ga] Support for Nominations

1999-09-23 Thread Jeff Williams
David and all, Yes, I and I have noticed others having this very same problem. Though I have sent several queries to Elisabeth, Esther, and Becky Burr, as well as calling both Becky BUrr and Esther Dyson on the phone there does not seem to be a resolution to this problem. It seems that some

[IFWP] Re: on Shaw, the ITU and sliced bread - a progress report

1999-09-21 Thread J. Baptista
On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Dr. Brian C. Hollingsworth wrote: If any of you have brief questions - I will address them. Yeah, I got one brief question. Why is that you think that anyone here even gives a flying fuck about you and your one-man "think tank" that Easy answer there. They keeping

[IFWP] Re: Spies, lies and Shaw of the ITU

1999-09-21 Thread J. Baptista
Dear Ms. Wiening: I am replying to your email communication in respect of a Mr. Robert Shaw of the International Telecommunications Union and your obvious misunderstanding of your position in this. I am making this a public issue as I feel it is critical to expose publically bad service within

[IFWP] Re: Re: Spies, lies and Shaw of the ITU

1999-09-21 Thread J. Baptista
I disagree with you Ken. On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Ken Stubbs wrote: this is getting comical pathetic. this kind of stuff really diminishes the value of this list. No it does not. These very issues are critical to the GA DNSO and ICANN. Bad civil servants simply put are one good reason why

[IFWP] Re: [Attention William Daley]Possible Displanary action for Mary Wiening Mary_Wiening@ita.doc.gov

1999-09-21 Thread J. Baptista
On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, Kevin M. Kelly wrote: Hey Jeff! Before you lay your credibility on the line, you may want to note that PCCF.Net is registered to a Canadian Company. So, PCCF et al. probably does not pay Mary Wiening's salary. Mr. Kelly: Thank you so much for our privacy. May I

RE: [IFWP] Re: [Attention William Daley]Possible Displanary acti

1999-09-21 Thread William X. Walsh
Before anyone believes a word this particularly personality in the PCCF repertoire spoots off accusing Mr Kelly of acting inappropriately, it should be noted that the information mentioned is PUBLICLY available, and this is just more evidence of his drivel that is intended to do nothing more

RE: [IFWP] Re: [Attention William Daley]Possible Displanary acti

1999-09-21 Thread Frank Rizzo
Ya' know Willy the Whiner, we're all REALLY impressed over here with unix prowess. Could you really set a filter?!!! Let's all say "wow" in unison. Most folks can handle their own filtering. Most folks aren't as paranoid as you. Most folks respect the 1st ammendment. Most folks ignore the

RE: [IFWP] Re: [Attention William Daley]Possible Displanary acti

1999-09-21 Thread J. Baptista
On Tue, 21 Sep 1999, William X. Walsh wrote: Before anyone believes a word this particularly personality in the PCCF repertoire spoots off accusing Mr Kelly of acting inappropriately, it should be noted that the information mentioned is PUBLICLY available, and this is just more evidence

[IFWP] RE: on Shaw, the ITU and sliced bread - a progress report

1999-09-20 Thread Mark Jeftovic
On 20-Sep-99 J. Baptista wrote: [lots of inane grandstanding which nobody outside of PCCF really gives a flying-f about, and then cc-ed it all over the place...] Why the hell all the crackerjacks are attracted to domain policy is something I'll never understand. *plonk* --- mark

Re: [IFWP] RE: on Shaw, the ITU and sliced bread - a progress report

1999-09-20 Thread J. Baptista
On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Mark Jeftovic wrote: [lots of inane grandstanding which nobody outside of PCCF really gives a flying-f about, and then cc-ed it all over the place...] Mark, people do care. Remember, it's all of us who finance Mr. Shaw in the long run via our taxes. Mr. Shaw is also

[IFWP] Re: NSI not taking sides , DUH

1999-09-20 Thread Jeff Williams
Ellen, Michael and all, Ver good points here Ellen. You to Michael. ;) Ellen Rony wrote: Michael Sondow wrote: Why should the actual registrant, who has paid fees for entry of the domain name in the root server databases and has invested in a website that depends on domain name

[IFWP] Re: NSI not taking sides , DUH - Joop hornswoggled or????

1999-09-20 Thread Jeff Williams
Bill, Michael and all, Good possible points here Bill and Michael. I prefer to believe Bills assesment, but Michales may also have some merit. Only Joop can know this for sure... Michael Sondow wrote: Bill Lovell wrote: You've shown a lot of sense in most of your comments, Joop, but

[IFWP] Re: About Nominations and support statements for the DNSO election discrepancy's

1999-09-20 Thread Jeff Williams
David and all, Thank you for also following up on this problem. I guess it is now up to Becky Burr , Elisabeth Porteneuve and/or Esther Dyson to see that this problem is correct post very quickly. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elisabeth and everyone else, It seems that Jeff Williams is

Re: [IFWP] Re: About Nominations and support statements for the DNSO election discrepancy's

1999-09-20 Thread Jeff Williams
David and all, Thank you for also following up on this problem. I guess it is now up to Becky Burr , Elisabeth Porteneuve and/or Esther Dyson to see that this problem is corrected very quickly. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elisabeth and everyone else, It seems that Jeff Williams

[Special Attention Becky Burr, Esther Dyson and Elisabeth Porteneuve] to Re: [IFWP] Re: About Nominations and support statements for the DNSO election discrepancy's

1999-09-20 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Jeff and Everybody, [Special Attention Becky Burr, Esther Dyson and Elisabeth Porteneuve] I think you mean this problem need corrected. I agree, it does. The DNSO will be stained badly if it is not. And the ICANN as well as the NTIA would likely be complicit. Jeff Williams wrote: David and all,

[IFWP] Re: Slander (fwd)and flase aspersions

1999-09-19 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Mr. Pisanty and Everyone, Your recognized history of making false comments on the NCDNHC mailing list is well known and well documented. Given that, I must agree with Jeff here completely. Alejandro Pisanty, DGSCA y FQ, UNAM wrote: Hello all, for the record, I have not cast false or

Re: [IFWP] Re: Slander (fwd)and flase aspersions

1999-09-19 Thread Jeff Williams
Brian and all, Thank you fro you support here Brian. I thought it was fairly obvious myself... Brian C. Hollingsworth wrote: Mr. Pisanty and Everyone, Your recognized history of making false comments on the NCDNHC mailing list is well known and well documented. Given that, I must

[IFWP] Re: [ga] nominations

1999-09-19 Thread Jeff Williams
karl and all, I agree with you here Karl. I would add though, that I DO believe that the "General Ledger" and all accounting's of the ICANN should be made available upon demand for anyone. Karl Auerbach wrote: Can we get your commitment to get the books of account open. Article III,

[IFWP] Re: Nomination of James Love - And 2nd (Seconded)

1999-09-19 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Everyone and all, 1. Full name: Brian C. Hollingsworth 2. E-mail address:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. Organization you work for (if apply): IHOJ 4. Name of the person being supported: James Love Jeff Williams wrote: All, 1. Full name: Jeff Williams 2. E-mail address:

[IFWP] Re: [ga] nominations - Fixing the GA@DNSO.ORG and icann-nominations@dnso.org lists....

1999-09-19 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Dennis and Everyone, Than the only reasonable conclusion that I can draw from this is that the process is VERY selective. If that is the situation, than it is very inadequate and inappropriate. d3nnis wrote: I have my gripes about DNSO too, but I have to tell you that Elisabeth has

Re: [IFWP] Re: [ga] nominations - DNSO list for nominations unfunctional

1999-09-19 Thread Carlos Vera
Jeff Williams wrote: Peter and all, You observation and point here is well taken. I don't see the updates to: http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/icann-nominations/Archives/maillist.html either as well as http://www.dnso.org/dnso-icann-nominees.html Hence, we have yet again another

Re: [IFWP] Re: [ga] nominations

1999-09-19 Thread Carlos Vera
Jeff Williams wrote: Randy and all, Randy, all I can say to your response here to Mark is, Goose meet apologist. In case you don't understand clearly: "Excuses such as you provided, are like posterior orifices, we all got them, and they all stink". Your apologetic attitude and

Re: [IFWP] Re: NetSol E-Mail

1999-09-19 Thread Carlos Vera
"J. Baptista" wrote: On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Darrell Greenwood wrote: Oddly, you don't advance your reasons for believing the opposite. No problem. Here's my answer. I think if NSI ran the roots, it's shareholders would make more money. Why? Well anyone running the planets

[IFWP] Re: Re: NetSol E-Mail

1999-09-18 Thread J. Baptista
Hello Ken: Have not heard back from you on your reasoning as to why NSI running root servers would not be in the best interests of it's shareholders. I would be very interested in your reasons as I feel the opposite would be true. Regards Joe On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, J. Baptista wrote: I

[IFWP] Re: NetSol E-Mail

1999-09-18 Thread J. Baptista
On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Darrell Greenwood wrote: Oddly, you don't advance your reasons for believing the opposite. No problem. Here's my answer. I think if NSI ran the roots, it's shareholders would make more money. Why? Well anyone running the planets infrastructure is going to make a few

[IFWP] Re: [ga] nominations - DNSO list for nominations unfunctional

1999-09-18 Thread Jeff Williams
Peter and all, You observation and point here is well taken. I don't see the updates to: http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/icann-nominations/Archives/maillist.html either as well as http://www.dnso.org/dnso-icann-nominees.html Hence, we have yet again another of many examples that the DNSO web

[IFWP] Re: [ga] nominations

1999-09-18 Thread Jeff Williams
Randy and all, I agree. But ICANN (Initial?) Interim board spent or shot the wad already! ;) Shame that. Fiscal responsibility is a very demanding responsibility... It also seems to me that if you decide to "Volunteer" you should understand just what you are volunteering for. If you

[IFWP] Re: [ga] nominations

1999-09-18 Thread Jeff Williams
Randy and all, Randy, all I can say to your response here to Mark is, Goose meet apologist. In case you don't understand clearly: "Excuses such as you provided, are like posterior orifices, we all got them, and they all stink". Your apologetic attitude and lack of ability or time for the

[IFWP] Re: [ga] Archives of Names Council list

1999-09-18 Thread Brian C. Hollingsworth
Dear Listadmin and Everyone, Perhaps you could explain why the archives for both [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] are not reflective of the posts made to those addresses or correct whatever problem that is obviously occurring? DNSO Listadmin wrote: According to the NC decision of

[IFWP] Re: Re: NetSol E-Mail

1999-09-17 Thread J. Baptista
I disagree Ken. I think running the root-server infrastructure would be good for NSI shareholders. Why do you think the contrary is true. I don't understand. I was under the impression NSI has been thinking about it for awhile. I could be wrong, i just don't understand your position that the

[IFWP] Re: [ga] Nomination of Nii Quaynor

1999-09-17 Thread Jeff Williams
Mark and all, I have the same concern regarding Dr. Nii N. Quaynor myself. He on two occasions tried to register two different organizations as constituent members of the NCDNHC (See NCDNHC mailing list archives for more info). I find both his nomination and exceptence extreamly circumspect.

[IFWP] Re: Slander (fwd)and flase aspersions

1999-09-17 Thread Jeff Williams
Alejandro and all, Your accusation can only be applied to yourself and Nii in this instance the record speaks for itself. Nii deliberately tried to, in an unrepresented fashion represent himself as a representative of TWO different organizations in his own application to the NCDNHC. As such

[IFWP] Re: [ga] Nomination of Nii Quaynor

1999-09-17 Thread J. Baptista
I have no issue with Quaynor's nomination. I am concerned that he not allow himself ever to be bullied by the lawyers. The IDNO/ICANN scandal in Santiago in which he lost control is the reference I'm reffering to. Cheers Joe Baptista On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Alejandro Pisanty, DGSCA y FQ, UNAM

Re: [IFWP] Re: [ga] Nomination of Nii Quaynor

1999-09-17 Thread Jeff Williams
Joe and all, Yes indeed, another good reason for opposing Nii's nomination as well. J. Baptista wrote: I have no issue with Quaynor's nomination. I am concerned that he not allow himself ever to be bullied by the lawyers. The IDNO/ICANN scandal in Santiago in which he lost control is

[IFWP] Re: [ga] We decided to defer the election of our ICANN board seats

1999-09-17 Thread Jeff Williams
Alejandro and all, Nice statement of political diatribe, but that is all it is. Your BS here is not convincing to anyone who is truly honorable. Alejandro Pisanty, DGSCA y FQ, UNAM wrote: Dear Mark, and all, it seems we go back to June or sometime around then. The GA is made up of all

[IFWP] Re: [ga] Nomination of Nii Quaynor

1999-09-17 Thread Jeff Williams
Dr. Nii N. Quaynor and all, You meger attempt to side step the issue at hand or dismiss it out of hand is noc sufficently convencing IMHO, nor do I doubt, that after a review of the NCDNHC archives, will it be by any ressonable person orGA member either. Dr. Nii N. Quaynor wrote: I have

[IFWP] Re: [ga] Nomination of Nii Quaynor

1999-09-17 Thread J. Baptista
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Dr. Nii N. Quaynor wrote: I have no issue with Quaynor's nomination. I am concerned that he not allow himself ever to be bullied by the lawyers. The IDNO/ICANN scandal in Santiago in which he lost control is the reference I'm reffering to. The challenge of the

Re: [IFWP] Re: [ga] Nomination of Nii Quaynor

1999-09-17 Thread J. Baptista
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Jeff Williams wrote: Joe and all, Yes indeed, another good reason for opposing Nii's nomination as well. I'm not opposed to him. I'm just wanted to address that specific issue and move on. J. Baptista wrote: I have no issue with Quaynor's nomination. I am

[IFWP] Re: [ga] Nomination of Nii Quaynor

1999-09-17 Thread J. Baptista
Oh no, I'm very grateful for what you did. As for the lawyers behaviour, i'm not that impressed. Good luck to you on the election. You can count on our support. Cheers Joe Baptista On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Dr. Nii N. Quaynor wrote: Hi Joe, I will appreciate your support note independently.

Re: [IFWP] Re: [ga] Nomination of Nii Quaynor

1999-09-17 Thread Richard J. Sexton
I completely understand the pressures you were under. I was annoyed by the fact a decision was reached by the assembly, and under Robert's that should have been it, as respect the IDNO vote. But the lawyers forced the chair to reconsider the motion made and voted on. The scandal is the fact it

Re: [IFWP] Re: [ga] Nomination of Nii Quaynor

1999-09-17 Thread J. Baptista
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999, Richard J. Sexton wrote: I completely understand the pressures you were under. I was annoyed by the fact a decision was reached by the assembly, and under Robert's that should have been it, as respect the IDNO vote. But the lawyers forced the chair to reconsider the

[IFWP] Re: [ga] Nomination of Nii Quaynor

1999-09-17 Thread Jeff Williams
Dr. Nii N. Quaynor and all, You use of the term "Grateful" in respect to the IDNO being recognized as a constituency is absurd here. I hope you will retract that comment with the use of the term of "Grateful". Whether or not Lawyers are part of the GA is not in question. I support and

[IFWP] Re: NameSecure Policy [was 9999 Awards]

1999-09-16 Thread Bill Lovell
At 08:40 AM 9/16/99 -0800, Ellen Rony wrote: Further, registrars are not legal bodies; they do not understand the legal nuances of the Lanham Act. . A bit of tongue in cheek here: Since when is that a problem? It certainly hasn't stopped ICANN, WIPO, various registrars, would be

[IFWP] Re: [ga] We decided to defer the election of our ICANN board seats

1999-09-15 Thread Jeff Williams
Mark and all, I agree with you completely. I was not even allowed on the conference call. Just yet another example of lack of openness, transparency and accountability on the part of the pNC and the ICANN (Initial?) Interim Board. Again I will ask and call for the NTIA to do it's DAM job!

[IFWP] Re: Model rules for UDRP

1999-09-14 Thread Jeff Williams
Diane and all, DIane, Ken Stubbs knows that he deliberately and with malice, mislead folks. He should not have done that. However he has a long history of doing so. Carl O. pointed out clearly just how far folks like Ken Stubbs is willing to go. So I think your now lashing Ellen here for

[IFWP] Re: Comments I sent to the ICANN Small Drafting Committee

1999-09-14 Thread Jeff Williams
Carl and all, All good points in your bullets here. I think we here at INEGroup could agree with your draft for the most part. The should be some emphasis placed on "Reverse Name Hijacking" provisions in final policy, that is not even mentioned in ICANN's version or Ken Stubbs version either.

[IFWP] Re: [bwg-n-friends] As sent to IP: Would the U.S. Government regulate the Internet? And how will this come about? by Richard J. Solomon

1999-09-14 Thread A.M. Rutkowski
Dave, Fascinating and imaginative hypothesis by a wonderful friend and colleague with a lifelong passion for railroads. With that said, however, the hypothesis plainly doesn't hold together. [Great stories about the rise and fall of railroads omitted.] that any such infrastructure with the

[IFWP] Re: UPDATE: Uniform Dispute Resolution

1999-09-13 Thread Karl Auerbach
Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:13:43 -0400 From: Andrew McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Icann-Announce [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: UPDATE: Uniform Dispute Resolution At its Santiago meetings on August 25-26, the ICANN Board adopted a uniform dispute resolution policy and directed ICANN's

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