Re: [LMMS-devel] Top Level Domain: Final decision

2014-07-29 Thread Lukas W.
No. While getlmms.org may not be bad, we finally decided on a domain (hell, we decided on something! How likely is that?) and we'll stick with that unless we can't collect the money for it. Gandi appears to be the cheapest for .io domains. It's 29.00€ per year, SSL is free for the first year and 1

Re: [LMMS-devel] Credit For The Samples Collected On The Internet From Other Producers Royalty Free Packs #1018

2014-07-29 Thread HDDigitizerMusic
>Ok, do their replies reference a specific license? I just want to make sure as copyright is something we should not make any assumptions on. I agree but I have told them what the licencing the samples will now have and they have agreed. (CC0) Since I have told them the CC0 licencing in my post,

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/30/2014 02:47 AM, Stian Jørgensrud wrote: > You currently know best how the code and performance of LMMS can be improved, > Vesa, therefore I support you. I too think it will be crucial for LMMS and > make it better, but I can't understand why, other than that it will be RT > safe. Could you

Re: [LMMS-devel] Regarding PulseAudio problems

2014-07-29 Thread David Gerard
On 1 July 2014 08:59, Vesa wrote: > On 07/01/2014 10:52 AM, David Gerard wrote: >> On 1 July 2014 01:53, Nicholas Cosens wrote: >>> Then I hit upon a solution that so far has yet to produce any issues. >>> That is to set the lmms sound output to SDL. For whatever reason it >>> works. I just test

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Stian Jørgensrud
You currently know best how the code and performance of LMMS can be improved, Vesa, therefore I support you. I too think it will be crucial for LMMS and make it better, but I can't understand why, other than that it will be RT safe. Could you try to explain to us non-coders even more why this is so

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread I'm Umcaruje
I think that http://teespring.com/ would be a better choice to crowd-source a developer. The site works pretty much like kickstarter, but its specialized in printing T-shirts. If we set a reasonable goal and get a T-shirt campaign going, I think it would work out. If we go to kickstarter, we would

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/29/2014 11:39 PM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote: > > Well, we can talk about hypotheticals and such, plan what we'd do > if we won the lottery... or we can try to figure out a way to keep > LMMS alive. > > > But kickstarter is the lottery, right? Ouya's goal was 1mil and they > reached

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
> > Well, we can talk about hypotheticals and such, plan what we'd do if we > won the lottery... or we can try to figure out a way to keep LMMS alive. > But kickstarter is the lottery, right? Ouya's goal was 1mil and they reached 9mil. How much would we we need? What do we do if it surpasses ou

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/29/2014 11:16 PM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote: > > Does this make sense to you? > > > I have a fundamental problem with introducing resource restrictions > and limitations already on a hypothetical wish list. Well, we can talk about hypotheticals and such, plan what we'd do if we won the lot

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
> > Does this make sense to you? > I have a fundamental problem with introducing resource restrictions and limitations already on a hypothetical wish list. -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today! R

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/29/2014 10:46 PM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote: > > This isn't so much about importance, but things that we are > capable of doing ourselves, and things that we need help to > implement. There's no point in a crowdfunding campaign to hire a > developer to write things that we can wr

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
> > This isn't so much about importance, but things that we are capable of > doing ourselves, and things that we need help to implement. There's no > point in a crowdfunding campaign to hire a developer to write things that > we can write ourselves. There is a point in hiring a developer to impleme

Re: [LMMS-devel] Credit For The Samples Collected On The Internet From Other Producers Royalty Free Packs #1018

2014-07-29 Thread David Gerard
On 29 July 2014 06:39, Vesa wrote: > No, CC0. Yup, CC0 or other public domain equivalent. People have to be able to use these samples in proprietary music. - d. -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms ap

Re: [LMMS-devel] Credit For The Samples Collected On The Internet From Other Producers Royalty Free Packs #1018

2014-07-29 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
Ok, do their replies reference a specific license? I just want to make sure as copyright is something we should not make any assumptions on. We should also include a LICENSE.TXT which clearly states credit to the original owners and that they've been re-released under the appropriate license. -

Re: [LMMS-devel] Credit For The Samples Collected On The Internet From Other Producers Royalty Free Packs #1018

2014-07-29 Thread HDDigitizerMusic
I have their replies in text and screen shots. - HD Digitizer Music | [URL="http://YouTube.com/HDDigitizerMusic"]YouTube[/URL] | [URL="https://soundcloud.com/DigitizerMusic"]SoundCloud[/URL] | [URL="https://www.facebook.com/pages/HD-Digitizer-Music/503908679670452"]Facebook[/URL] | [URL="

Re: [LMMS-devel] Undo redo functionality

2014-07-29 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
With amounts of ram in computers today I dont think that would be an issue today. On 29 Jul 2014 18:22, "Vesa" wrote: > On 07/29/2014 07:18 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > > > Agreed. Then how far down should be a user configuration option. Ive > > seen defaults of 10 levels > > > > Currently o

Re: [LMMS-devel] Undo redo functionality

2014-07-29 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I would love to help you work on these issues. On 29 Jul 2014 18:20, "Vesa" wrote: > On 07/29/2014 07:16 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > > > Why not knob tweaks. > > > > Well, we may potentially run into issues when knobs get automated. Also, > there's the issue of separating one "action" - knob

Re: [LMMS-devel] Undo redo functionality

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/29/2014 07:18 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > Agreed. Then how far down should be a user configuration option. Ive > seen defaults of 10 levels > Currently our undo stack is hardcoded to 100 states. It'd be trivial to make it configurable though, just needs a settings option. Although, I'd

Re: [LMMS-devel] Undo redo functionality

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/29/2014 07:16 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > Why not knob tweaks. > Well, we may potentially run into issues when knobs get automated. Also, there's the issue of separating one "action" - knob movements being gradual adjustments... Not unsolvable issues, but tricky ones.

Re: [LMMS-devel] Undo redo functionality

2014-07-29 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Agreed. Then how far down should be a user configuration option. Ive seen defaults of 10 levels On 29 Jul 2014 18:16, "David Gerard" wrote: > If I hit control-Z, it doesn't undo the last thing I did, but some > other past thing I did. I've completely failed to have a mental model > of what it do

Re: [LMMS-devel] Undo redo functionality

2014-07-29 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Why not knob tweaks. I would use that kind of undo. On 29 Jul 2014 18:12, "Vesa" wrote: > On 07/29/2014 07:09 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > > > I am interested in working on this. > > > > I found this > > > > http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/274/Simple-and-Easy-Undo-Redo > > > > Through som

Re: [LMMS-devel] Undo redo functionality

2014-07-29 Thread David Gerard
If I hit control-Z, it doesn't undo the last thing I did, but some other past thing I did. I've completely failed to have a mental model of what it does. (As a user, I would expect it to include every knob tweak - basically, every action in a stack, go back down through that stack.) On 29 July 201

Re: [LMMS-devel] Undo redo functionality

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/29/2014 07:09 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > I am interested in working on this. > > I found this > > http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/274/Simple-and-Easy-Undo-Redo > > Through some googling I found the above. Im not sure if its c or c++ > We have undo/redo support. It works in most par

[LMMS-devel] Undo redo functionality

2014-07-29 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I am interested in working on this. I found this http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/274/Simple-and-Easy-Undo-Redo Through some googling I found the above. Im not sure if its c or c++ -- Infragistics Professional Build s

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/29/2014 06:40 PM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote: > > I think you misunderstand my intent a bit. > > No one misunderstood you, Vesa. This isn't "your intent" but rather > it is "our intent". This topic is the future of lmms, not the future > of one particular person. I think you're still misun

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
> > On 07/29/2014 06:25 PM, drunken jesus wrote: > IMO given the limited resources the best course of action would be to try get > the current iteration of LMMS as bug free and functional as possible & promote > it a bit to gain more visibility which could lead to more skilled coders > getting invo

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/29/2014 06:25 PM, drunken jesus wrote: > I imagine theirs likely not many existing audio engines that are both an > improvement and compatible with the codebase, but the alternative would be > to code a audio engine from scratch and that seems like it'd be a multi-year > experiment and a daun

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
> > I think you misunderstand my intent a bit. No one misunderstood you, Vesa. This isn't "your intent" but rather it is "our intent". This topic is the future of lmms, not the future of one particular person. Your opening statement says : The future of LMMS is very uncertain right now ...

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread drunken jesus
I imagine theirs likely not many existing audio engines that are both an improvement and compatible with the codebase, but the alternative would be to code a audio engine from scratch and that seems like it'd be a multi-year experiment and a daunting task for even a small group of highly skilled co

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/29/2014 05:55 PM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote: > > This isn't the biggest hurdle here IMO. The core engine is the > problematic part. > > > I'm going to dive a bit more into the kickstarter idea... > > When you ask the public to fund something large, you have to make > promises that mee

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
^-- I realize after re-reading this may minimize the importance of a core rewrite. This wasn't my intention... I don't want to shove that "elephant in the living room" aside here. :) -- Infragistics Professional Build stun

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
> > This isn't the biggest hurdle here IMO. The core engine is the > problematic part. I'm going to dive a bit more into the kickstarter idea... When you ask the public to fund something large, you have to make promises that meet public demand. Despite what your opinion is about the importance

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/29/2014 05:17 PM, Rob Kudla wrote: > Regardless of the size of the userbase, the thing about Kickstarter is that > the two kinds of software projects that normally get funded are (a) games > or (b) "fun" apps. The only example of the latter I can think of was a > graphics-heavy Android homesc

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Rob Kudla
On 07/29/2014 05:23 AM, Vesa wrote: > 1. Kickstarter campaign for a hired developer? Do a kickstarter to > raise some funds, then use the money to hire a developer to help with > the migration to a new core. Do we have enough of a userbase that this > could be feasible? Regardless of the size of t

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I would love to hear Paul's take on this as the code had bit rotted a bit and he was working on reviving it a bit. On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Vesa wrote: > On 07/29/2014 04:54 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > > I think the best way forward work on getting the new core integrated > > Yeah su

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/29/2014 04:54 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > I think the best way forward work on getting the new core integrated Yeah sure, but how do we achieve that when we don't have enough active developers who are capable of doing that? That's the problem we're trying to solve. --

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/29/2014 04:51 PM, Tres Finocchiaro wrote: > He did reply with some useful information, but for the most part it > was a no-go due to the mentoring time required to get a new developer > involved. > > Two years later we are probably in a better situation as it appears > we have more people a

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I forgot to add in my last email. if we focus on a new core. I think we should extend how long 1.1 is going to be supported for as well as how often we are going to release bug fix releases for it. On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: > I think the best way forward work on

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I think the best way forward work on getting the new core integrated all these features and issues in terms of crashes etc that we run into could potentially be mitigated with an RT safe core. As well what I want to spear head and start working on are unit tests as well as functional and integrati

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Tres Finocchiaro
This is an interesting topic to me. I tried visualizing the idea of a kickstarter as well. Here's an email I sent Toby in 2012: Tobydox, > Would you be interested in a Kickstarter project for your work on > LMMS? The idea is to get some of the user's input on what they consider > important bugs,

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/29/2014 04:07 PM, musikbear wrote: > Perhaps a 2.0 on an other core is not a 2 y prospect, but a 5+ ..? > imo we should improve and expand /what we got/. No offense musikbear, but what you're saying is analoguous to: "oh, I know our house is slanted and the foundations are crumbling, but may

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/29/2014 03:21 PM, drunken jesus wrote: > I'm not very knowledgeable on coding at all & I'm not familiar with the > Unison Core you mentioned but I know there have been numerous programmers > who have released their source code for tracker sequencers. I know trackers > operate in a very differ

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread musikbear
Perhaps a 2.0 on an other core is not a 2 y prospect, but a 5+ ..? imo we should improve and expand /what we got/. But all work on current core, should have a pin stuck in it. A pin marked /'re-usable' as module/. Vesa, you are the one who can say if such /modulation/ at all is possible? If it is,

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread drunken jesus
I'm not very knowledgeable on coding at all & I'm not familiar with the Unison Core you mentioned but I know there have been numerous programmers who have released their source code for tracker sequencers. I know trackers operate in a very different fashion than LMMS but it seems to me in theory yo

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/29/2014 02:45 PM, oeai wrote: > Well it is all about it, i thought > > To get into a kickstarter campaign you need to propose something for > end-users - the device is that thing. No, we don't need to. What would be promised to users would be the improvement of the LMMS software itself. Th

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread oeai
Well it is all about it, i thought To get into a kickstarter campaign you need to propose something for end-users - the device is that thing. to get more developers you can propose lmms-engine or codec for other markets not only for musicians, these markets i've described. For example Firefox h

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
What I'm saying is, your ideas for music devices and such are very interesting and all, but I don't really see how they would help us fix the LMMS software. -- Infragistics Professional Build stunning WinForms apps today!

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/29/2014 01:20 PM, oeai wrote: > well, it's usual case. > the next step of engine can be a new music-codec - so maybe ask some > mpg123 or FLAC > imagine that oscillators are different language types, > to encode few waves (phrases) you just need to set few words for it > for hard cases you'l

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread oeai
well, it's usual case. the next step of engine can be a new music-codec - so maybe ask some mpg123 or FLAC imagine that oscillators are different language types, to encode few waves (phrases) you just need to set few words for it for hard cases you'll need clear bit types (soundtrack), but they al

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
On 07/29/2014 12:58 PM, atumra wrote: > the very first idea i had was to invite someone from other OS project > psycle, qtracktor, ardour, zyna -> maybe not the software suite, but > software synth > maybe jack-dev itself Has been tried, but those people are mostly busy with their own respective p

Re: [LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread oeai
the very first idea i had was to invite someone from other OS project psycle, qtracktor, ardour, zyna -> maybe not the software suite, but software synth maybe jack-dev itself the kisckstarter idea i had was not in to going for developers, but to propose something new for people/company the comp

[LMMS-devel] LMMS: the future - ideas?

2014-07-29 Thread Vesa
So, I'm just going to put this out here. The future of LMMS is very uncertain right now. Sure we have lots of activity on the mailing list, people working enthusiastically on what they can, and that's all great! But there are some looming issues that are getting worse as we go on. The problem is,