Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote:
Getting fussy over having to carry an ID card, much like your health card
and your Tesco card and your bank card and your credit cards...work on a
more credible argument :)
The top ten more credible arguments for not carrying an ID card
10 I left my ID card
Mark Fowler wrote:
mynamespace:vxml xmlns:mynamespace=http://www.w3.org/2001/vxml;
xmlns:xsi=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance;
xsi:schemaLocation=http://www.w3.org/2001/vxml
http://www.w3.org/TR/voicexml20/vxml.xsd; version=2.0
Hands up who thinks XML sucks?
A
Robin Berjon wrote:
Hands up who thinks XML Schema sucks?
Now both my hands are up in the air. I'm typing this with my dick.
A
Mark Fowler wrote:
Hang on, I seem to remember you giving this big talk about how you were
going to use XML Schema to do all this whizz bang stuff.
Whatever happened to that? Proved to be too complex?
It proved to be close to impossible to implement the full XML Schema
specification. My
Luis Campos de Carvalho wrote:
Could you please teach me about your
data-{storage,classification,retrieval,maintenance} tools?
Leon has invented a trans-dimensional organic memory jelly made of
purest orange.
He laughs in the face and twangs the bra strap of these twenty-something
century
Merijn wrote:
I was very impressed one day when I learned that kids on Holland
nowadays learn about the land of Oct in primary school, age 9-10.
aolMe too!/aol
I was telling my wife about this just the other day. I was in the
last year of junior school so also must have been about 9. Our
Paul Makepeace wrote:
``The technology will enable bar staff to pour ten pints in less than
a minute''
Waiting for a beer at the bar could soon be a thing of the past...
Yeah right. This device will allow the pubs to employ half as many staff
to do twice as much work. We'll still be left
Leo Lapworth wrote:
I see what your saying, but it'd be a lot of effort to use a different
templating system just for the sheer hell of it,
There's a better reason than the sheer hell of it - separation of concerns.
If your modules are tied down to one particular template engine then it
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But if you are primarily using TT-based processing, I would suggest that a
better name space would be Template::SVG::Graph or Template::Graph::SVG.
That would not be such a good idea. At least not without careful consultation
with the author of the Template Toolkit.
Werm wrote:
Kind of tangentially I've just used P::RD to create an IDL parser and it
runs terribly slowly.
P::RD is very powerful, but the last time I looked it wasn't particularly
optimised for speed or size. I got half way through an implementation
of the TT grammar (an excuse to learn
Shevek wrote:
Yapp is a brilliant piece of code which I love both in architecture and
implementation, but it's desperately fucking slow.
Slow at compiling the grammar or when running the parser that it builds?
For compiling, we don't care that much because we only need to do it once,
or
Ben wrote:
Cannot load /usr/local/apache/libexec/libperl.so into server:
/usr/local/apache/libexec/libperl.so: undefined symbol: Perl_Ipatchlevel_ptr
Could it be that you're using an Apache/mod_perl that was built with one
version of Perl, and you've later installed a new version of Perl?
A
hisel Wright wrote:
Is it r-egg-eckps, rej-eckps or something more pronouncable?
You say tuh-may-to, I say toh-mah-to,
You say poh-tay-to, I say puh-tah-to,
Let's call the whole thing a search pattern.
As far as I'm concerned, there is no correct pronunciation, and at
least 4 different
Paul Makepeace wrote:
Is there a best practice when performing operations as a system user
from with perl in Apache?
I use the old-fashioned but reliable method of writing a setuid
wrapper program in C.
Follows...
A
#include stdio.h
#include stdlib.h
#include unistd.h
#include errno.h
/*
Nick Cleaton wrote:
That passes the environment unaltered to SCRIPT. In combination with
the fact that you're setting the real uid/gid as well as effective,
that could lead to arbitrary command execution via PATH or LD_PRELOAD
or PERL5LIB or some such.
Which is why I would always set the
S Watkins wrote:
Some people just don't seem to have got the message that the DotCom Era
is OVER! *grin*
It was a stupidly fun way of raising cash for The Perl Foundation. :-)
For this purpose, I copied and hacked on the search.cpan.org CSS stylesheet
and then paraded the orange-look CPAN
Simon Wistow wrote:
I hate our internal templating language
So why are you still using it?
But it does have one slightly nice...
Nice? You jest sir!
!-- if $somevar==foo --
...
!-- endif $somevar==foo --
The 0th rule of anything even remotely related to programming computers
is this.
Toby Corkindale wrote:
I'm not convinced Perl is the best language to implement such things.
Why not? Performance concerns or something else?
That's a serious question by the way, not just me being provocative.
A cow-orker of mine has just implemented a gesture (as in pen stroke,
not up
Elizabeth Mattijsen wrote:
Acme-DBI(...) # return Acme::DBI object
Acme-CSV(...) # return Acme::CSV object
I like it and use it a lot. The Acme module is a factory whose method
names should reflect the items that they return (a good rule for any
factory class).
Shevek wrote:
I dislike it
So who is going to be at OSCON?
Will London.pm field a team in the quiz (I'm up for it!)
Will beer be drunk?
Will Leon paint the town orange?
All these questions, and more, are being asked right now.
As for me, I'm arriving at 1605 on Saturday on flight AC8122 from
Vancouver, and staying at
Said I:
I don't remember doing anything so embarrassing that I can't face the
public humiliation.
Andrew Beattie wrote:
Such as this...
http://www.reckites.com/naked/abw.jpg
I am suitably embarrassed - just look at that bouffant hairstyle!
(It was the salty water, honest)
A
Naked
Raf wrote:
I've found XML::Schema which looks great but requires you to manually
create a perl representation of your xml schema beforehand.
Or you parse your XML schema document and transform it into the appropriate
Perl representation. Non-trivial, but may be quicker than hand-coding
Paul Makepeace wrote:
I'm wondering if the modem is rejected the MAC of the linux box while
the Windows's box's lease is still in effect or something bizarre like
that.
Yes. Or the DHCP server at the ISP.
With NTL I had to switch off the cable modem for a few hours until the
DHCP lease
Andy Mendelsohn wrote:
I have in my possession, gruesome mug shots of Leon Brocard, Paul
Makepeace and Dave Cross (and, I think, Andy Wardley), taken in
Monterey at the 2000 perl conference. I could be encouraged to keep
them under wraps...on the other hand...
Show em! :-)
I don't
Simon Wistow wrote:
London.pm, defined, for me anyway as a generously geographically
diverse community of people who think that London.pm are cool
I think we're selling ourselves short with a single membership bit.
An 8 bit integer would give you much more scope for fun, er, I mean,
Earle Martin wrote:
I had to drop the Buffy bit.
Is that based on the assumption that the bit is redundant, given that anyone
whose Buffy bit isn't set can't be a *real* member of London.pm.
I'll get my coat then.
A
Rafael Garcia-Suarez wrote:
Aren't LIPSs better than NIPLs ?
I think there's a pun in there about coming up with a compromise whereby
your LIPS meet up with my NIPLs, but I really don't want to go there.
A
Nicholas Clark sent the following bits through the ether:
YAPC::Europe::UK::London::Victoria::Yahoo::Basement::2003::04::14::Evening
Leon Brocard sent the following bits back:
At the DPW I got a special customised orange badge. Will this be the
case at the tech meet?
And what about special
Simon Wistow wrote:
1. Mailing lists are essentially news groups.
2. Web based forums are kind of like mailing lists or newsgroups
3, Blogs are becoming more like mailing lists.
[...]
So this is my idea.
And a very good one it is too.
Build a decent message exchange/storage model and
In case you haven't already seen it, Apocalypse 6 is out.
http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2003/03/07/apocalypse6.html
A
CyberTiger wrote:
I had this one recently... turned out to be a windows linefeed at the end
of the hashbang.
Yep, that's it. I managed to get both scripts looking identical but with
one failing and one OK.
bad.pl
#!/usr/bin/perl
print bad\n;
good.pl
#!/usr/bin/perl
print good\n;
Andy Wardley wrote:
I'm a little surprised by that. Although I must admit that I've never
written IIS extensions in C++, I'm surprised that it offers significantly
better performance than a mod_perl solution.
Paul Makepeace wrote:
Programmer cluefulness being equal, when did interpreted
Penny Bamborough wrote:
We did write a
perl version of the streetmap engine (with some help from some very nice
people I might add) however performance tests on the system indicated that
the processing power required would cripple the server and our site would
be very short lived.
[...]
Chris Heathcote wrote:
Otherwise, how to install TT as non-root would be F.A.B.
Did you try reading the INSTALL file? :-)
The 'make install' will install the modules and scripts on your
system. You may need administrator privileges to perform this task.
Alternately you can can
Shevek wrote:
Template
Toolkit is another MML which suffers many of the criticisms at that URL,
and lacks a dispatch mechanism.
I disagree (of course :-)
You can use TT just like you use HTML::Template (the excellent solution
he refers to). Do nothing but reference variables and maybe throw
Shevek wrote:
[1] Template Toolkit :)
Yeah but it'd take me that long using [1] too. This is a (very good for
its task) product which is missing a dispatch engine and many useful
tools.
On one hand I could argue that TT is deliberately missing a dispatch
engine and many useful tools
Ben wrote:
http://www.datapower.com/products/xa35.html
XML is *sooo* 20th century.
Parrot in hardware. Now that's something to look forward to... :-)
A
the hatter wrote:
I beleive the fortran and basic ones both did ok. Though java ones never
got anywhere,
It was when a cow-orker proudly showed me his Java Ring[1] that I finally
realised that Java was nothing more than a huge April Fool joke that had
got out of hand.
Originally
london perl mongers for peace sounds really cool but i would also
respect the view that in terms of Perl Advocacy and gaining mindshare in
corporate land, having Perl associated with political ideology could be
doing the wider community a disservice.
How about:
London Peace Mongers
or
Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
MVC is not necessarily an appropriate metaphor or idiom for web apps.
See abw's rant a while back. Not sure if it was here or on the TT list
but it was a good one.
http://tt2.org/pipermail/templates/2002-November/003974.html
The distilled essence being that people
Lusercop wrote:
Yes, but a) Lawrence Lessig (Larry Lessig - we love Larrys) is a lawyer in
America rather than in the UK, and b) you're forgetting about the UK test
cases that have already happened.
No, I'm not forgetting about anything. I'm paraphrasing what Larry said.
My point, or rather
Nigel Hamilton wrote:
Umm ... Copyright only grants 'the right to copy' to the author.
True. But that wasn't how it used to be. More importantly, it is now
a totally absurd situation because works are copied every time you open
a web page.
Copyright should restrict publishing, not
Nicholas Clark wrote:
Under traditional law, what's to stop you taking your legally owned copy of
the file, and placing it on a networked file system such as NFS. There is
still only one copy of the file (on your server) yet now you can let all
the programmers read from the one copy
Nigel Hamilton wrote:
I think Lawrence Lessig and Richard Stallman should think a little
more about their audience.
I think Lessig does very well at targetting his audience.
Yes ... we all read books and listen to music ... but a great
majority of us are also authors - we
Nigel Hamilton wrote:
I could read the Lessig article 100 times ... it doesn't change
the facts:
No disprespect, but Lessig is a lawyer and seems to understand the
issues relating to copyright law very well indeed.
If you think he's missed the facts then I suggest you take it up with
him.
I finally got around to releasing my XML::Schema module(s). They're not
complete, in that they don't support everything that W3C XML Schema
does (which is perhaps a Good Thing, given that it is possibly the most
turgid and bloated W3C spec ever).
Nevertheless, they do collectively implement a
Ben wrote:
Could I also suggest a high resort, to avoid problems with lack of snow
I can highly recommend Les Trois Vallees (Meribel, Courcheval, etc).
The only drawbacks are that it's a 3hr train, then a 1 hr bus
I can also highly recommend going via Eurostar. I forget how long it
is,
On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 05:27:01PM +, Joel Bernstein wrote:
home-airport:35 mins
checkin,etc: 90 mins
easyget-gva: 50 mins or so afaik
checkout,etc: 60 mins
airport-chamonix:60 mins or so
Sure, it all depends where you are and where you're
David M. Wilson wrote:
Or how about the bandwidth I'm about to waste by posting this reply?
What I want to know is this:
If each message I send cost hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to post,
then where's my cut of all that revenue generated?
A
David M. Wilson wrote:
I don't think PHP has ever been known as that.. it's earliest names
are cited in the manual:
Well it could just be a bad memory block on my part, but my recollection
is that it really was originally the Perl Hypertext Preprocessor, but
the name soon got changed, all
Simon Wilcox wrote:
I'm not interested in the actual existence of files, I just want a nice
clean path. My version of a collapse function is:
My version of a collapse function is:
1 while ($path =~ s| [^\.\/] [^\/]+ \/\.\./ ||gx);
It's not very portable and doesn't strip out '/.', but it
Nigel Wetters wrote:
SW Apache::Template::ModPerl1
SW Apache::Template::ModPerl2
That would work. What you've described is effectively a factory method
that creates Apache::Template objects based on mod_perl version number.
Actually it wouldn't work. Writing code to load and instantiate
Tamsin wrote:
I have a silly weather website - weatherpixie.com.
s/silly/cool/
its not actually that easy and have better things to do than to work out
the time zones for 6000 places for which I only have a longitude
and latitude
I realise that time zones don't work like this, but if you
Chris Ball wrote:
It's an interesting anti-Perl flame war. :)
My favourite quote comes from Pudge:
A good language allows people to say pshaw and ain't and
Barbara Streisand, no matter how unpleasant the words may sound.
:-)
A
Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
Have you tried Apache::Template with the compatibility layer ?
No, Andy's tears of laughter were enough to make me install a 1.x
Apache.
The problem is not so much the Perl code that implements the handler
but the XS code that provides the httpd.conf configuration
On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 10:49:00AM +, Graham Barr wrote:
However, I live in Guildford and dont travel to London, so it would be
easier if it was delivered to someone to the south of London.
I live in Guildford :-)
A
Graham Barr wrote:
You can either collect it from me, or we could arrage to meet in a
local(-ish) pub. If we do a pub, then some of the lurkers that this
brought out of the woodwork (like me :) can meet up if they want.
This sounds like the perfect opportunity to resurrect Surrey.pm.
How
Nicholas Clark wrote:
If they're not using DHCP until the end of their registration, how does their
app connect with their website to perform the registration process?
I think the registration is handled via a web browser and you have to
point it at a fixed IP address.
Hmmm... memory hazy.
Adrian Howard wrote:
You might also want to take a look at YAML http://yaml.org/ -
there's a YAML.pm already in CPAN.
YAML is something totally different. It's (essentially) for data
serialisation without the overhead of XML. AML is designed for humans
to write. More like POD than XML or
David Cantrell wrote:
Let me clear up a few things here. I wrote my toy system because I had an
itch which needed scratching.
Great!
The only reason I'm even bothering
to argue about this is because of the incorrect assertions coming from
people who really should know better that my sort
Greg McCarroll wrote:
So can we look forward to user-name under Perl 6? ;-)
Nope, user.name :-)
A
Shevek wrote:
1) Is there any code I should look at already? I'm assuming that I will
inherit IO::File and IO::Dir into my own File and Dir objects.
There are 2 TT plugin modules which provide a fairly basic form of
this abstraction, Template::Plugin::File and Template::Plugin::Directory.
A
Chris Devers wrote:
When is it nice to be a quick hack language that's
simple and easy, when does that lead to the biggest no-no there is?
Simple and easy quick hack languages are great. I've got nothing against
PHP or Perl in that respect.
But for larger projects that you want to be
Dave Cross wrote:
Module naming is very important. I wonder how many other people have
been put off using HTML::Template because they aren't building HTML
with their templates?
I always thought the name related to the fact that the embedded tags
are designed to look just like HTML tags. You
Lusercop wrote:
I think my conclusion for all of this is that I can't trust PHP, because
architecturally, it appears to be designed for use in situations where the
necessity is not for any kind of privilege management, or separation. It
appears to be designed to get dynamic pages up and
Tim Sweetman wrote:
As I understand it, _the_ key difference between H::T and the other
templating systems available, is flow of control and data.
No, one of the key difference is that H::T *enforces* that model.
With TT (and others) it's optional.
Sometimes I use TT very strictly, and
Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
I believe XML is great for what it was intended: a cross-platform
vendor-neutral text-based representation of hierarchical
somewhat-self-describing data, somewhat robust to version upgrade.
However, I hate typing it. I hate having to type /foo when I get to
the
David Cantrell wrote:
But to say that embedding application code
in markup leads to a poor (or non-existant) seperation of concerned,
typified by spaghetti code is to talk bollocks.
Looks like I'm talking bollocks then. :-)
A
Ignorant in bliss.
Mark Fowler wrote:
What I mean to say is that TT now has constants.
Indeed. We recently used this to great effect in the Fotango/Canon
Image Gateway site.
We had one super-hash with all the metadata relating to the site. Things
like page names, titles, menu structure, colours, layout data,
http://www.blinkenlights.de/gallery/camel.en.html
A
On Sun, Jul 07, 2002 at 11:07:37AM +0100, Rob Partington wrote:
You don't think that, since mailman is perfectly workable
I don't necessarily agree.
Mailman is a really great product on the outside, but from what I've
seen, it's rather sucky on the inside. My first requirement is to have
a
Greg McCarroll wrote:
this is an interesting idea if we did it for perl, a one day perl
conference in a pub. just one track, and a fairly social atmosphere -
this might be a good medium for the people who have in the past
suggested mini-YAPC's
And if we charge 200 people 45 quid a pop,
On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 07:38:13AM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
I spent 10 hours a week for 10 years on real skates, where 8 wheels
is all you ever needed. This inline fad will pass. :)
I started my rolling life on quads, too. Must have been late 70's when
skateboarding was just taking
On Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 11:51:20AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
On a similar note ... I used to ski (and hated snowboarders for getting
in the way) but switched to snowboarding when there was some particulalr
good poweder one easter and never looked back.
I've got a brand new pair of skis in
This very morning, Glorious Ex-Leader Dave Cross .sigged:
...she opened strange doors that we'd never close again
I misread that as:
...ssh opened strange doors that we'd never close again
Still rather appropriate, I thought.
A
ObPerl:
Use 'perldoc -l' to tell you the location of a
Are there any skateboarders or inline skaters out there who are going to TPC6
and fancy getting together for a skate jam?
San Diego is a Mecca for skateboarders. It has some of the finest skate parks in
the World. I'm thinking about spending a day/afternoon checking out some of the
best
banzii
On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 10:54:26AM +0100, Mark Fowler wrote:
So...I've got this tight loop where I need to whip a single character out
of a ten char long string.
The Perl Character Cleaving Conundrum
Now this is Perl, so there's more than one way
to do it, unpack and
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 02:44:50PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
I know this has been tried before but this is for a cunning plan.
A plan so cunning you could stick a tail on it and call it a weasel?
A
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 05:32:32PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
Thus, I surrendered in despair.
Life is a journey, not a destination.
London.pm doubly so.
A
ObPerlAdvocacy: http://www.mag-sol.com/talks/advocacy.html
Here's my first parrot program! It implements a cellular automata like
those described in Stephen Wolfram's latest and weightiest tome, A New
Kind of Science.
http://andywardley.com/parrot/automata.html
The book is pretty good. Lovely pictures, clever stuff. A bible on
cellular automata
On Sun, Jun 02, 2002 at 06:32:37PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
We have two world class players, and Sven has built his entire tactics
around them.
Any one see the program the other week on the England team and Sven's
sports pschology approach?
One of the key points was that positive
On Wed, Jun 05, 2002 at 01:01:44PM +0100, Chris Benson wrote:
This is related to the Inner (Skiing|Tennis|pick-your-sport) techniques:
distract the consious (self-critical, nagging, pessimistic, ...) part
into worrying about else (e.g. looking/sounding stupid) leaving the rest
of body and
A (very lame) self-filling beer glass. :-)
#!/usr/bin/perl
## ##
## ##
####
##
On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 09:53:36AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
Don't know how you feel about this people, but there's now a link to our
web site from Matt's Script Archive :)
Matt Wright++ # gone up in my estimation
A
On Sat, May 18, 2002 at 12:28:04PM +0100, Steve Keay wrote:
Worldpay offer a thing they call select where you redirect to their
server and the customer does all the credit card stuff there.
Search for merchant account on google and you'll find hundreds, if
not thousands of companies that
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 08:22:43AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:
What happens if there are 2+ `storms' (or storm centres or whatever you
want to call them).
We've done a fair bit of research into these kind of problems at CRE,
although I haven't been personally involved in it. In our case,
On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 04:29:46PM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote:
My first computer had an ET4000 which I ran at 800x600.
Lucky bastard. My first computer did 80x25 :-)
A
On Wed, Apr 24, 2002 at 01:00:25PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
What could be easier than saying send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
with the words 'subscribe foolist' on their own in the message body?
Saying:
send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message
'subscribe' in the body. Or, if
On Wed, Apr 03, 2002 at 06:21:37PM +0200, Newton, Philip wrote:
Most programs I've seen attempt to parse the output of `ps` somehow.
This works for my version of ps:
perl -e 'print `ps -ho sz $$`'
Perl is my bitch. ps is a ho. :-)
This reminds me of days gone by when I was debugging a
On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 10:55:20AM -0800, Dave Cross wrote:
Are all of last year's competitors going to be there? Do you
want to take part again?
Yep, yep. I want to eat more worms.
A
On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 05:06:29PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
What's a practical way for me to convert POD to HTML to give a good
compromise between amount of stuff I have to install and quality of HTML
it produces?
Have a look at Pod::POM. Stas Bekman has recently done some work on
On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 09:39:21AM +, Leon Brocard wrote:
Netgear, insight.com
The RT311? Do you use it? Does it Just Work?
I got a Linksys Cable/DSL Router. I think it's this one:
http://linksys.com/Products/product.asp?grid=23prid=20
Setting it up was as easy as plugging it into
On Sun, Feb 17, 2002 at 06:32:35PM +, Anthony Fisher wrote:
Now, this is why I want to take only a carry-on bag to YAPC::E...
but it seems that I can't even carry a penknife or a Leatherman tool
unless it's in checked luggage. So, do I take another piece of
luggage with just a couple of
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 09:07:22PM +, the hatter wrote:
But back to one of the earlier discussions. I've only just run across
someone who actually uses dvorak keymaps.
Martin Portman (aka Doktor von Portski), the cow-orker I share an office
with, uses Dvorak and has done for many
On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 10:47:51AM +, the hatter wrote:
Between us, we've tried pretty much every input device that money can buy
(as one of the general remits of our research): regular keyboards, ergo
keyboards, chording keyboards, split keyboards, twiddlers, mice, trackballs,
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 01:54:58PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We all know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed to slow us down.
That's a myth. QWERTY was designed to speed us up by moving the typebars
for common letter sequences (e.g. TH) to different ends of the spread so
that they
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:04:21PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Agenda Microwriter - alas no longer made but used a chording keyboard
with a key resting under each finger of the right hand.
You can get the CyKey keyboard by itself these days:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 04:16:31PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:40:17PM +, Chris Ball wrote:
Speech interfaces are a little
broken when you're either in a situation with lots of background noise
or want to do something without everyone around you knowing what
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 05:36:33PM -, Ivor Williams wrote:
At one previous employer, I remember a few supposedly ergonomic keyboards
which were QWERTY, but split in the middle into two halves at an angle. I
found these keyboards impossible to use.
The first Microsoft Natural Keyboard was
On Sun, Feb 10, 2002 at 08:49:52PM +, Aaron Trevena wrote:
I'd agree - when I was a newbie, I just lurked on list and absorbed the
scary stuff - thinking one day I'll understand all this..
Me too.
At first I didn't have any idea who Angel was, or Willow. I nearly put
my foot it in
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