Re: Adopt-a-lutenist

2003-12-05 Thread LGS-Europe
I was just going to send him a set of strings. It'll be long lasting, weather-proof, not so beautiful but utterly practical in any environment carbon, so if any of you want to send him something else so he has a choice, that might be a good idea. He keeps sending me his cd's for reviews in our

Re: Lute Questions

2003-12-05 Thread Mathias Rösel
Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: 2) Chromatic fingering. Guitarists are taught to have one finger per fret - to use the 1st finger for the 1st fret, the 2nd finger for the 2nd fret, I'm generalising, of course, but my experience is that lute players tend to use their little finger

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-05 Thread Euge
At 11:20 PM 12/4/03 -0600, Michael Thames wrote: As we have witnessed, a moral case could be made either way. I for one, am in favor of all facsimiles in the public domain to be copyright free. As far as everything else is concerned I really don't care. As I understand it, at least in the

Re: Lute Questions

2003-12-05 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Mathias, What you say is extremely interesting - not a third finger in sight. This is what I think of as double bass fingering, where semitones are fingered with only the 1st, 2nd, and 4th fingers. The 3rd finger may be used to support the 4th finger, but doesn't have a note in its own right

French poem

2003-12-05 Thread Christopher Berg
Dear lutenists, Just as I had removed myself from the list for the holidays I received a copy of this message from Professor Thierry Favier at the University of Dijon seeking identification of the poem below. If I any of you know the source, would you mind passing the information on to

Re: Adopt-a-lutenist

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Excellent, David, Well done. There is another lutenist to adopt (actually 2, father and son). They share a smallish lute of ca.60cm. Nikolay Makarenko Kommunarov, 115, room 7, 35, Krasnodar, RUSSIA phone: (8612) 65-11-89 RT I was just going to send him a set of strings. It'll be long

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Barring obvious cases of tyranny, law should reflect the social norms of a society. Since when tyranny does not reflect the social norms of a society??? There is a maxim: Every people deserves its government. If you feel they do not, strive to change them through proper channels in favor of

Facsimilia Rectificata

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
For your perusal and delectation: I have just posted a TEMPO DI MINUETTO by Georg Christoph Wagenseil at http://polyhymnion.org/swv/opus-2.html It differs in some minor [editorial] details from its facsimile that may be found at http://polyhymnion.org/swv/facs.html Enjoy, RT __ Roman

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-05 Thread Euge
At 09:20 AM 12/5/03 -0500, Roman Turovsky wrote: If you feel they do not, strive to change them through proper channels in favor of breaking them. I don't believe allowing the production and sale of lute tablatures is quite enough to justify a label of tyranny. Production is not

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-05 Thread Michael Thames
At 11:20 PM 12/4/03 -0600, Michael Thames wrote: As we have witnessed, a moral case could be made either way. I for one, am in favor of all facsimiles in the public domain to be copyright free. As far as everything else is concerned I really don't care. As I understand it, at least in the

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
At 09:20 AM 12/5/03 -0500, Roman Turovsky wrote: If you feel they do not, strive to change them through proper channels in favor of breaking them. I don't believe allowing the production and sale of lute tablatures is quite enough to justify a label of tyranny. Production is not questioned

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
I contributed what little I know of this topic very early on and in very short order grew mighty tired of all the scatological nonsense and inappropriate misidentification of hominids to follow (as a professional biologist, this latter offense was particularly troubling). Actually I took an

Re: Facsimiles etc.

2003-12-05 Thread JDanlHill
A helpful resource in understanding public domain and copyright law (USA only) is Stanford University's Library site and can be found at http://fairuse.stanford.edu/ -jdh --

Re: Recent discoveries (Facsimeles etc.)

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
I'll ask Sasha Batov about this. RT http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg02059.html lute -- Chronological -- Find  -- Thread -- Re: Recent discoveries (Facsimeles etc.) For example, many years ago, I photographed in Leningrad., when it was still Leningrad, a lute

Re: archive

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Well, there are some potential linguistic pitfalls, stemming from the differences between American and British versions of English, as well as considerable differences in thinking patterns: people tend to be A BIT more elliptical in Midlands than in Iowa, and a direct statement American style

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-05 Thread Herbert Ward
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Matanya Ophee wrote: Quite the contrary. Sky writing, ..., have a very secure business model where the I simply meant (with some poetic license required, perhaps) that you can't sell tickets to a sky-writing show. ... the street beggars in the swampy slums of Bangladesh

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-05 Thread Michael Thames

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-05 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 09:20 AM 12/5/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you feel they do not, strive to change them through proper channels in favor of breaking them. I don't believe allowing the production and sale of lute tablatures is quite enough to justify a label of tyranny.

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Tony Chalkley
Dear Stewart, It is the falce and unperfect aspect of modern editions, which make me want to look at facsimiles. I want to get as close as possible to the original text to learn as much as I can about the music. It's an academic thing, I suppose. It is also admirably professional, and that

Re: Recent discoveries (Facsimeles etc.)

2003-12-05 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 12:24 PM 12/5/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll ask Sasha Batov about this. RT http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg02059.html Good idea. I hope you have better luck getting hold of him than I did last August. Batov was working in the Leningrad Museum of

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-05 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 11:43 AM 12/5/2003 -0600, Herbert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Matanya Ophee wrote: Quite the contrary. Sky writing, ..., have a very secure business model where the I simply meant (with some poetic license required, perhaps) that you can't sell tickets to a

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Put another way, and taking the gamut of the list which runs from the professional to the rank amateur, how people see the facsimile is going to be very different, and maybe it would not be a bad idea for the publishers (seeing as two of them are on the list) to explain their market (and I

Re: Copy Rights

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
An additional reason to share facsimilia (from CG list): From: Matanya Ophee [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was able to remove from the market an edition of PD material by another publisher, which was based on my edition of the same piece. I have made a few editorial changes to the original, and also

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 07:02 PM 12/5/2003 +0100, Tony Chalkley wrote: maybe it would not be a bad idea for the publishers (seeing as two of them are on the list) to explain their market (and I don't mean by this justify their prices). What a print run on the average facsimile is, who buys it, etc. Justifying the

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Re: Copy Rights

2003-12-05 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 02:01 PM 12/5/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An additional reason to share facsimilia (from CG list): From: Matanya Ophee [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was able to remove from the market an edition of PD material by another publisher, which was based on my edition of the

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
but the distribution scheme in place is comprised of the publishermain distributorsubsidiary distributorsdealers. They all get a cut. The cost per copy is $32.- Applying the rule, the list price should be $224. As you can tell from my on line catalogue, the suggested list price for this

Lute Questions

2003-12-05 Thread Leonard Williams
Another benefit to using non-adjacent fingers on a string: it leaves appropriate fingers available to play a moving line elsewhere, above or below the string in question. E.g., by using 1 and 3 together on an upper course, 2 and 4 are available to play counterpoint (or whatever) on a

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 04:26 PM 12/5/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but the distribution scheme in place is comprised of the publishermain distributorsubsidiary distributorsdealers. They all get a cut. The cost per copy is $32.- Applying the rule, the list price should be $224. As you

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Distributors and dealers get their discounts off the official suggested list price. MO, we are not children here, and we know that this suggested list price is a myth designed to make palatable eventual NICE PRICE!!! 20% OFF!!! label. Moreover, it is determined by marketing research. If the

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
So a publisher that does nothing but facsimiles, like Minkoff for example, is using facsimiles to promotes facsimiles? Madam Minkoff produces NOT facsimilia, BUT replicas of antique books of various sorts, not necessarily with artistic content, for a totally different and much larger market.

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
However the publishers produce facsimiles not to make money. The facsimiles make their OTHER books look trustworthy and sellable. In other words the facsimiles are promotional material to a large degree. RT You do have a way with words, well said !!! Indeed he does. Every demagogue who

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 06:03 PM 12/5/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Distributors and dealers get their discounts off the official suggested list price. MO, we are not children here, When I see grown men drawn into silly displays of foolish indulgence in areas they know nothing about for the

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
bothered. But once I started, the only way to limit the costs was to drop the project. The costs were mainly imposed on me by the library. Whopping 2 bottles of cognac RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://turovsky.org http://polyhymnion.org

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-05 Thread Arto Wikla
Dear Roland, you asked: I am tired of deleting all the messages on this subject. Why don't you who wish to pursue it go off line? Well the same with me! I sincerely wish that the theoretical copyright thinkers choose to change to private e-mail communication! All the best... ;-) Arto

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Thomas Schall
well said! Don't you get tired of that - how do you call it? Dog fights? There is no sense discussing with Mantanya - he is an ignorant person mixing truth and lie at his will. And as a scientist ... better don't try to decrease on his level of discussion. Actually I don't believe TREE for

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 06:21 PM 12/5/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd rather be a professional socialist, than an amateur capitalist I have no idea what is a professional socialist, but I do know something about capitalism. I am glad you acknowledge the fact that I am only an amateur in

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 08:35 PM 12/5/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to admit that I don't follow the discussion closely and just by accident jumped into this thread (MO's messages are immediatly deleted) Likewise, a couple of dozen list messages never reached me, so I went to check

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
MO, there is a Paul Revere Trophy for the unsurpassed excellence in e-mail in the snail-mail for you. It is yours to keep forever. We are just non interested anymore. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://turovsky.org http://polyhymnion.org I have to admit that I don't follow the

Re: The continuing odyssy of the new lute

2003-12-05 Thread Ed Durbrow
the temporary solution! A sporting goods store had fishing line of 20lb test and .017in (.43mm). I didn't want to spend $8 US for 330 yards, so the store gave me 10 yards of it from a spare reel without charge. It works! It is holding pitch as it stretches just as well as the nylgut Aquila's on

Re: Fretgut question

2003-12-05 Thread Ed Durbrow
Michael Stitt wrote: I'm at astage where my fretgut on my 14 course swan neck are so frayed that buzzing is serious. I survived two years on my old supply but forgot what size I need. I have two requests. The first is short term. What diameter fretgut should I order? I recall 0.9, 0.8,

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Matanya Ophee
At 09:37 PM 12/5/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MO, there is a Paul Revere Trophy for the unsurpassed excellence in e-mail in the snail-mail for you. It is yours to keep forever. We are just non interested anymore. Best news I heard all day! Just keep this non-interest in my