Hi all,
The link is beside Kapsbereger section; 'en cas de problèmes de lectures des
fichiers installez ces fontes'
Timo
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Lähettäjä: Gernot Hilger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Aihe: [LUTE] Re: mandora/gallich
Great perfirmance indeed! Very evocative and "affektiert". Don't know if the
archlute (thankfully double coursed) is something Dowland would have played
on, but it sounded great. Short nails on RH. Combination of TI - TO. Lots of
changes of RH position and holding of the lute, which makes the cl
I find it noisy and gimmicky; a lot of look-at-me that distracts from
the flow of a masterpiece. But that's a matter of taste, I suppose,
as is tolerance for the slop whenever he plays sixteenth notes.
But if he doesn't like the way Dowland ended the piece, he should
play another piece ins
You are of course aware that the sound is playback and probably not played
on the instrument used in the video. The first note is an Eb, so the
instrument is in Eb or he has transposed the piece.
Also the images are almost never in sync with the music.
All the best
Mark
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On Jan 24, 2008, at 1:48 PM, howard posner wrote:
> I'm sure there's a lot of lute music that's inconsequential enough
> that it's not a great sin to tamper with it, but Forlorne Hope
> isn't in that class.
God forbid that we should Tamper with it! ;-) Is Dowland really as
"etched in ston
Actually I was impressed by the effort put into the production of the video.
Karamazov is an impressing player but - 'nuff said - this video is taken
from the "Sting-DVD" and there ways to many show elements within it for my
taste.
I like the Duo performing Police and Sting songs though - which
Yeah Mark, on the second scrutinous look after posting I noticed that. But
when you shut your eyes and just listen to the soundtrack, you get a feeling
that K tries to bring across a bit of the drama and power of this top 10
Dowland piece. For that I salute him. Taking the liberty to substitute
I suppose playing only two notes of the last chord (and getting one of
them wrong) is a tremendouser sin than just changing one of the notes
of the last chord, eh? And yet, considering the setting (and the title
of the music) who is to say? I can't speak for the manuscript that
Forlorn Hope is foun
Edin was just moving his hands in sync with Nigel North soundtrack, yeah,
that's right. No, actually it was overdubbed on a synthetiser! Yeah, that's
right.
MArk,
you remind me of a medieval English poem that goes something like (not
verbatim, after 20 or so years):
"Whoever after crapping
Are you addressing moi, David? Your remarks follow mine, but they
don't have much to do with them.
On Jan 24, 2008, at 11:05 AM, David Rastall wrote:
>
>> I'm sure there's a lot of lute music that's inconsequential enough
>> that it's not a great sin to tamper with it, but Forlorne Hope
>> isn
On Jan 24, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Ray Brohinsky wrote:
> I suppose playing only two notes of the last chord (and getting one of
> them wrong)
I'm not following this reference. It sounds like you're describing
my playing, but I don't think you've ever heard me.
> is a tremendouser sin than just c
Hi Roman,
You seem to be back in your old ways.
Trying to cover up facts that are not so comfortable for your "edifying"
viewpoint.
The video is not live, the first note is Eb and the video is out of sync.
These may be unbearable facts for you, but thats life.
But thanks again for the link, it
Howard,
--- howard posner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There is one published source (Mertel's Hortus
> Musicalus Novus) and
> one manuscript source in the
> Cambridge Library. Both end in major. All of
> Dowland's minor-mode
> fantasies end in major.
>
..as is standard practice in t
Well said, Enzo.
RT
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From: "Dante Ferrara" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lutelist"
Cc: "Lutelist"
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 3:33 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Karamazov
My, my. We are an overheated lot tonight!
Yes, the final chord sounds a bit strange and out of place,
On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:32 PM, howard posner wrote:
> Are you addressing moi, David? Your remarks follow mine, but they
> don't have much to do with them.
Oh, sorry, I thought they pertinent as well as impertinent. At least
they were intended to be anyway. ;-)
> ...Karamazov's choppiness ma
From: "Lute" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Roman,
You seem to be back in your old ways.
Trying to cover up facts that are not so comfortable for your "edifying"
viewpoint.
The video is not live, the first note is Eb and the video is out of sync.
So is my own video on Youtube. What does that tell you?
reasons to quit the list again
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Hi Dante,
You are absolutely right, I personally have no problem with him changing the
last chord, I also would not do it, but if he wants to why not.
There is probably nothing more un-HIP than not daring to stray from the
written page. Playing exactly what is written is more a romantic or modern
On Jan 24, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Dante Ferrara wrote:
> My, my. We are an overheated lot tonight!
Not at all. It's midday here, and since it's the middle of one of
those notoriously brutal Los Angeles winters, I'm hardly overheated.
> As none of us has ever met Dowland, we'll never know whether
On Jan 24, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Lex Eisenhardt wrote:
> reasons to quit the list again
Oh, I don't know. Let the fur fly!
I think it gets interesting when we start talking about how to play
the music. Some people like to take every note of a piece as part of
a work of genius, and work fro
I agree David, anyone is entitled to work out a composition as they see fit.
However; in doing so they must also be willing to take the heat and
ridicule, if a majority of listeners think they have perverted the
composition, as well as the praise, from those who think what they did was
genius.
Mark Wheeler wrote:
> You are absolutely right, I personally have no problem with him
> changing the
> last chord, I also would not do it
Indeed...
> but if he wants to why not.
Here's one reason why not: suppose I started this post this way:
Mark Wheeler wrote:
> You are absolutely right,
On Jan 24, 2008, at 5:01 PM, howard posner wrote:
> ...So the point is that "what the hell, it's all about self-
> expression"
> is not the be-all and end-all of musicianship unless you're playing
> the blues. There are other considerations. It doesn't mean the page
> is always sacrosanct, thou
On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:20 PM, David Rastall wrote:
> Here's another idea to throw into the mix: if one is not capable of
> self-expression, how can one ever do justice to a work of such genius
> as Forlorn Hope?
Hey, I am perfectly capable of self-expression, but I'd need extra
fingers on my le
What an INDICTMENT You should subpoena Edin.
Sheesh.
RT
From: "howard posner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lutelist Net"
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 5:01 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Karamazov
Mark Wheeler wrote:
You are absolutely right, I personally have no problem with him
chang
I agree it's about interpretation. For instance I have 4 versions of
Holbornes ?17th Galliard by 4 different lutenists, 2 are played at the
proper tempo and notationaly correct to the sheet music I have, one is
played at pace and one by Chris Wilson where there are all manner of
additional notes, f
On Jan 24, 2008, at 5:29 PM, howard posner wrote:
> On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:20 PM, David Rastall wrote:
>
>> Here's another idea to throw into the mix: if one is not capable of
>> self-expression, how can one ever do justice to a work of such genius
>> as Forlorn Hope?
>
> Hey, I am perfectly capab
On Jan 24, 2008, at 2:53 PM, David Rastall wrote:
> No, no, you misunderstand me. I wasn't trying to insult you,
Ah, but it's you who misunderstands me. I didn't think you were
trying to insult me, or commenting about me. I was just pointing out
that self-expression without competence isn'
No, no, you misunderstand me. I wasn't trying to insult you,
Ah, but it's you who misunderstands me. I didn't think you were
trying to insult me, or commenting about me. I was just pointing out
that self-expression without competence isn't terribly rewarding, at
least for anyone other than th
On Jan 24, 2008, at 3:46 PM, Paul Kieffer wrote:
> i have no problem, in this case, with the last chord at all. i
> think that edin made this choice for his own artistic reasons that
> are in his head. i think it would be disrespectul to dowland only
> if edin made this choice to make the
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