On Nov 29, 2007, at 7:00 AM, Wayne Cripps wrote:
> I would think that in the old times, a lutenist would mostly play
> music from his or her time. They obviously would not play
> anything from their future, but I am sure they were mostly
> not too interested in music of the past, except perhaps f
"Sean Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Yep, I've followed this baby too. And thought it finally almost settled
down till these paragraphs, Vance.
So if you or
The Cambridge Manuscript seems to indicate that the latest Dowland of the
time was grouped together with F. DaMilano in the same book.
VW
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I can't argue with the experience and ears of others, but I have to
admit I'm a bit surprised by many of the statements being made about
the huge differences between 6, 7 and 8 course instruments in terms
of playability and inherent sound. My first real lute was an old 10
course that Pat O'
I would think that in the old times, a lutenist would mostly play
music from his or her time. They obviously would not play
anything from their future, but I am sure they were mostly
not too interested in music of the past, except perhaps for
a few master works. I doubt that lutenists were in
Yep, I've followed this baby too. And thought it finally almost settled
down till these paragraphs, Vance.
So if you or anyone else could explain to me how an eight course
instrument can slow you down I would be most appreciative. It seems
to me that a six course instrument would have the
Dear Martin and All
I go regularly to an amateur music salon, once a month, where I have
the good fortune of hearing a lutist who can choose between 33 lutes
(including 3 Baroque Malers, and 4 Baroque Freis) according to the
repertoire he is playing. He usually does make judicious choices,
From: "Daniel Winheld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?
This "slow you down" aspect is one that I am finally able to address
personally after over 35 years of lute playing. I finally got m
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Luca
dc on 29-11-2007 10:29 wrote:
Luca Manassero écrit:
I made the same question to the French-speaking lute list about 18
months ago.
Where is this French lute-list?
Dennis
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Luca Manassero écrit:
I made the same question to the French-speaking lute list about 18 months
ago.
Where is this French lute-list?
Dennis
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This "slow you down" aspect is one that I am finally able to address
personally after over 35 years of lute playing. I finally got my
first 7 course lute last year; an Andreas Holst, 62 cm. SL. All my
previous R lutes- 57 to 72 cm- had all been 8 course. (I'm not
counting the 10 course and Baro
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On Nov 28, 2007, at 10:33 PM, David Tayler wrote:
> I think it is different for different people, but in the keyboard
> world I have been part of a decades long debate about Italian
> harpsichords--the one size fits all debate.
> And a very wise player said, it doesn't matter that you just are not
en they are not meant to be such. So
>all due respects to all who have contributed to this discussion, I
>respect both you and your opinions.
>
>VW
>
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ing a tune thought not
suitable for the instrument at hand.
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>>On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:37 PM, vance wood wrote:
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>>>The "We" we
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On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:37 PM, vance wood wrote:
The "We" we are discussing happen to be a g
ent at hand.
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Setting aside the level of difficulty, the piece is in a very
different, and later style. I supposes if you played it very fast, it
would be more difficult.
For some reason I always thought of it as more gallant than speedy,
but I haven't looked at it in a while.
Dowland's authoritative works,
--- David Tayler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Galliard is a later composition, and probably
> designed for the
> amateur market--it is a fine piece, just not that
> difficult.
Amateur, really? Lightening-quick divisions over a
moving bass easy amateur material?
> The combination of the fas
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On Nov 26, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Stewart McCoy wrote:
Do
The Galliard is a later composition, and probably designed for the
amateur market--it is a fine piece, just not that difficult.
If I were to make these a pair, there would be a stylstic dissonance
between the versions that outweighs any choice of lutes,
I could make my own 7 course version of the
On Nov 26, 2007, at 6:54 PM, Stewart McCoy wrote:
> Do we have any evidence of a 16th- or 17th-century lutenist
> refusing to play a piece, because his lute had one or two courses
> more than necessary?
I would say yes, we do. The evidence being that we ourselves do it
today. I realize th
One of the first lute books I got when I was a wee grasshopper at
this lute business (young classical guitarist, late 60's) was a
printout of a microfilm of the English version of Adrien LeRoy's
book. All the old pass'e mezzi and other dances, for 6 courses.
Clearly visible in old handwriting
Dear David,
Your reasoning is historically "correct," but this
puts us in something of a quandry from a practical
performance view. Just take Dowland, for example.
His "Lachrimae" lute solo exists in a version for
six-course lute, (its 7-course in Board and Folger)
"Flow my teares" is for 7-
Martin as usual has it exactly right historically. 6,9,10
BTW, years ago I wrote about a Dowland piece in Francisque (Pipers
Galliard), does anyone know if it has been recorded?
I'm sure it has, I just don't have a big CD collection (cheap).
dt
At 01:13 AM 11/28/2007, you wrote:
>Dear All,
>
It's important to play 6 & 7 course for the renaissance repertory.
I understand the issues of resale value, etc, but I really think for
most of the 16th century
the three instruments, 6 course, 7 course _F and 7 course D give the
most insights into the music.
Also, if you are going to sell the l
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Dear Michael, G=F6ran & all:
While G=F6ran gives an eloquent summary of our
received notion of
the devel
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Dear Michael, G=F6ran & all:
While G=F6ran gives an eloquent summary of our
received notion of
the develop
; number of courses.
> >>
> >> If I might add to what Ron has written, the
> heart-shaped Pesaro
> >> manuscript copied in the 15th century, contains
> music for a 7-
> >> course instrument; the music in Osborn fb7 is for
> a 7-course lute,
> >> and date
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 3:26 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?
Ed
I keep my 7c at D, and then stop it down for F. Of course this means
the7c is no longer open, which no doubt does effect the way the
string resonates. So there is a compromise, involved.
I would agree tha
urses.
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?
Ed
I keep my 7c at D, and then stop it down for F. Of cour
;> chose. Do we have any evidence of a 16th- or 17th-century lutenist
>> refusing to play a piece, because his lute had one or two courses
>> more than necessary?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Stewart McCoy.
>>
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Right on, Ed! The lute that I call a "double 7" (It's NOT an 8 course!).
>A great majority of the music for which I use that instrument is
>for 7 course, but it is so very convenient to have both a low F
>_and_ D, so I do not have to re-tune the 7th course. I also
>sometimes put octaves on bo
al story is always
less systematic and more complex.
Best wishes,
Ron Andrico
http://www.mignarda.com
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:48:43 +0100> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC:
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Is 8c
really the standard?> > Hi Mic
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> lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Is 8c
> really the standard?> > Hi Michael,> > when I got my first lute in the early
> 80's,
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Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?
The only down side to that point of view is that occasionally
This subject comes up regularly here.
My two yen:
There is hardly anything written specifically for 8 course that
cannot be played on 7 course. There is far more music for 7 course
than 8 course. 7 course is easier than 8 course.
You just have to have a little awareness of what your 7th is
Hi Michael,
when I got my first lute in the early 80's, after playing lute music on
guitar since the early 60's, my teacher recommended an 8-course, arguing in
favour of a versatile instrument which could be used for a time span of
roughly the whole 16th century. As you know, course development w
On Monday 26 November 2007 11:34, Mathias Rösel rattled on the keyboard:
> There is at least that print by Simone Molinaro, Venice 1599 (facsimile
> available from S.P.E.S.), if memory serves. It is a large collection of
> pieces, entirely written for the 8c lute.
A few pieces require a 9 course i
There is at least that print by Simone Molinaro, Venice 1599 (facsimile
available from S.P.E.S.), if memory serves. It is a large collection of
pieces, entirely written for the 8c lute.
--
Mathias
"Gernot Hilger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Michael,
>
> I believe that in fact 7c was standa
Michael
As an amateur, I was in the position that I felt I could only
justify purchasing one Renaissance lute. I was also hoping to venture
later into 11c French Baroque music.
I therefore had to make a compromise, and chose the 7c Gerle, because
this actual model is used by Jacob He
Michael,
I believe that in fact 7c was standard, but they either tuned the 7th course to
F or D on a G lute. The 8c is a convenient way to have both tunings on one
lute, so it is sort of a standard today.
g
Zitat von Michael Bocchicchio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>People who have purchased lute
Just a passing fancy on the way to 14 course Hell.
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Michael Bocchicchio wrote:
People who have purchased lutes from me in the past have all come to me with
the common wisdom that the 8c. is the standard. Why would this be? Is it true
now? Was it true in the past or something like that? Furthermore, for who? A
first time buyer? A graduat
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