[LUTE] Memorization

2008-04-04 Thread Stewart McCoy
, Stewart McCoy. -Original Message- From: Doc Rossi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 12:06 To: cittern list Subject: [CITTERN] memorization I was wondering whether anyone has any strategies for memorizing pieces. In the last few years I've had no luck at all memorizing music

[LUTE] Re: Memorization

2008-04-04 Thread Doc Rossi
On Apr 4, 2008, at 4:24 PM, Stewart McCoy wrote: If you really had to memorise a piece, for example, because you were going to perform it on stage in a play, you'd find a way to memorise it. Boy, if that were only true! It's exactly the pieces that I perform that I'm concerned about. I

[LUTE] Re: Memorization

2008-04-04 Thread Anthony Hind
Subject: [CITTERN] memorization I was wondering whether anyone has any strategies for memorizing pieces. In the last few years I've had no luck at all memorizing music and really can't play without the tab in front of me any more. I think part of it might be age (although I'm not that old

[LUTE] Re: Memorization

2006-05-05 Thread Rob Dorsey
On memorization: The Chinese pianist Liu Chi Kung was imprisoned by the Maoists for 7 years after the cultural revolution. During his imprisonment he had no access to a piano but, since the guards held him is some regard, was granted a cell with a window. After his release he, like so many

[LUTE] Re: Memorization

2006-05-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Rudolf Kehrer had a similar experience in GULAG, he survived by having penciled keys on a wooden plank. RT On memorization: The Chinese pianist Liu Chi Kung was imprisoned by the Maoists for 7 years after the cultural revolution. During his imprisonment he had no access to a piano

[LUTE] Re: Memorization

2006-05-05 Thread Robert Clair
you can. There is a vast territory between sight-reading and memorization. It is quite possible to have studied a piece of music , thought about it, made interpretive decisions about it and played it many. many times without having it memorized. Such a performance will be a far cry from

[LUTE] Re: Memorization

2006-05-05 Thread demery
. However, some players work like this with any sheet of music placed in front of them, deliberately avoiding memorization. I dont do that, I play mostly from memory, but others do things differently. It has been said to me that playing by sight allows a larger repetoire, which I readily acede, it takes

Re: memorization

2005-06-21 Thread Edward Martin
Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:32 PM Subject: Re: memorization If your giving a concert of Weiss and decide half way thought to play the Chaconne and happen to have the tab handy, this will hardly be a professional concert, will it? Not necessarily. Has been

Re: memorization

2005-04-07 Thread Ed Durbrow
At 5:14 PM -0400 4/6/05, James A Stimson wrote: Just for the record, Ronn McFarlane has performed entire concerts from memory. This has sometimes included some of his own compositions -- which of course is an entirely different thing regarding memorization How so? Dear Ed: Well, that's

Re: memorization/Re: Gallot speaks...

2005-04-02 Thread Jon Murphy
of the patterns - but that again means a memorization specific to the piece. (And as to the leading directions I recommend Fux's Gradus ad Parnassum, still available as a paperback although it has been off the best seller list for 500 years - only to suggest a basis, not to define the entirety

Re: memorization/Re: Gallot speaks...

2005-04-02 Thread Dr. Marion Ceruti
-Original Message- From: Jon Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 2, 2005 3:59 AM To: Dr. Marion Ceruti [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED], lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: memorization/Re: Gallot speaks... Wow, motion and motor - and time

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread gary digman
, March 31, 2005 7:56 AM Subject: Re: memorization The only reason for doing anything is the love of doing it. Gary Digman Only in a perfect world. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Thames [EMAIL

Re: memorization/Re: Gallot speaks...

2005-04-01 Thread Ed Durbrow
the scale here, has block chords here and then comes to a cadence. Maybe we had the same teacher Marion! I remember my composition teacher, Will Johnson saying exactly that. I think this kind of analysis is very useful for memorization and 'organic' because you are applying your own terms which may

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread gary digman
Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:09 AM Subject: Re: memorization I also, happen to know that no record company will invest in something that won't sell. Weiss-Barto series sold over 7. RT I have heard, that Naxos, pays an artist

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread James A Stimson
Dear All: Just for the record, Ronn McFarlane has performed entire concerts from memory. This has sometimes included some of his own compositions -- which of course is an entirely different thing regarding memorization -- but also many 16th century classics and his Scottish repertoire. Cheers

Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 12:50 AM Subject: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: memorization I'm not sure I have understood the term sign off. The version for Schouster is in Bach's hand and signed for the lute and we

RE: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread timothy motz
suggested. Although I've enjoyed the Venere Quartet CD that the LSA is selling, I wonder if in the future the LSA might be better off to do things completely online. Tim Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: RE: Antwort: Re: memorization Date: Fri, 1

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
: gary digman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 2:44 AM Subject: Re: memorization You wouldn't sell 7 CDs at $15-$20 per CD. So a significant number of people now enjoying Weiss and Barto would not be. Gary

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: timothy motz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:07 AM Subject: RE: Antwort: Re: memorization Thomas, I think that most of the expense in putting out a CD comes from marketing

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: memorization I do not know if my judgement is heretic, but between a Bach's or Weiss' CD I have no doubts... Weiss is really intersting, but Bach is a genius Paolo Timothy wrote, Record companies decide which bands will have a market and those are the ones

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
I do not know if my judgment is heretic, but between a Bach's or Weiss' CD I have no doubts... Weiss is really interesting, but Bach is a genius Paolo Yes, I wonder who the next genius to make an all Bach lute recording is going to be. Karamazov or Mascardi. RT To get on or off this

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Ed Durbrow
I would like some definite information on the true extent of the lute rep. I hear, for instance about the English Golden Age. How many printed sources? 4? 5? How many manuscripts, and in those ms. How many pieces that are repeated. D. A. Smith in _A History of the Lute_ says in the Epilog

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Dr. Marion Ceruti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: memorization I do not know if my judgment is heretic, but between a Bach's or Weiss' CD I have no doubts... Weiss is really interesting, but Bach is a genius Paolo Yes, I wonder who the next genius to make an all Bach lute recording is going

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: thomas.schall [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; tamotz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: memorization I agree with Michael that Weiss wins on lute, but as so many things

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Ed Durbrow
Could it then be there are actually 5000 lutenist in the world? If you count everyone who owns a lute, probably a lot more. We had this discussion a year or more ago on the LuteNet. cheers, -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: thomas.schall [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; tamotz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: memorization Thank you, Michael for your kind words. I believe that many people agree with us

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Thomas Schall
@cs.dartmouth.edu; tamotz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: memorization -- Thomas Schall Niederhofheimer Weg 3 D-65843 Sulzbach 06196/74519 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Ed Durbrow
Joseph Mayes wrote: some duplication? I would say much duplication. Julia Craig McFeely addresses this issue. I forgot the number, but it may be less duplication than you think. Anybody? -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ To get on or off this list see list

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Thomas Schall
Evangelina Mascardi already did a record of Bach Thomas Am Freitag, 1. April 2005 18:27 schrieb Roman Turovsky: I do not know if my judgment is heretic, but between a Bach's or Weiss' CD I have no doubts... Weiss is really interesting, but Bach is a genius Paolo Yes, I wonder

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
Evangelina Mascardi already did a record of Bach Thomas But it includes some SLW as well. RT Am Freitag, 1. April 2005 18:27 schrieb Roman Turovsky: I do not know if my judgment is heretic, but between a Bach's or Weiss' CD I have no doubts... Weiss is really interesting, but Bach is

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Ed Durbrow
Dear All: Just for the record, Ronn McFarlane has performed entire concerts from memory. This has sometimes included some of his own compositions -- which of course is an entirely different thing regarding memorization How so? -- Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow

RE: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Ed Durbrow
I think that most of the expense in putting out a CD comes from marketing the CD, not in physically producing it. Judging from his website, Ed Durbrow does professional level recording in his home. Thank you. I've tried voice (spoken word) recording using a laptop and a TASCAM interface and was

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
, April 01, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: memorization Evangelina Mascardi already did a record of Bach Thomas But it includes some SLW as well. RT Am Freitag, 1. April 2005 18:27 schrieb Roman Turovsky: I do not know if my judgment is heretic, but between a Bach's or Weiss' CD

OT: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Tony Chalkley
10:31 AM Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: memorization Evangelina Mascardi already did a record of Bach Thomas But it includes some SLW as well. RT Am Freitag, 1. April 2005 18:27 schrieb Roman Turovsky: I do not know if my judgment is heretic, but between a Bach's or Weiss' CD

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Nancy Carlin
If you go to the links section of the Lute Society of America web site www.LuteSocietyofAmerica.org there are links to several big research projects that will give you a bit of information on how much is out there. The Craig-Feeley dissertation on Elizabethan manuscripts is there as well as some

Re: OT: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
. RT Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: memorization Evangelina Mascardi already did a record

Re: memorization

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Thames
: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: OT: memorization Dear Michael, BTW, Roman, the Who are were - two of them are dead a rock band consisting of four guys, one playing guitar, one on Bass, a funny drummer , and a Messo soprano, at times. and the two left are a trout farmer (I think

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Dr. Marion Ceruti
: memorization This is really a very interesting thread! I memorize pieces for solo performance, and sight read (duo, or whatever) ensemble pieces. I find that memorization actually gives me much more freedom in interpretation, from one performance to the next. I memorize the notes, not the way I play

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Dr. Marion Ceruti
? Best regards, Marion -Original Message- From: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 30, 2005 9:18 PM To: lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: memorization Yes, I totally agree So why

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread gary digman
- Original Message - From: Nancy Carlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:11 PM Subject: Re: memorization When Nigel North was here recently he played 3 concerts in the San Francisco

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread gary digman
Bach never wrote anything for lute??? Gary Digman - Original Message - From: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:32 PM Subject: Re: memorization Stephan

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread gary digman
: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: Re: memorization Yes, I totally agree So why is Paul Odette's next CD going to have 3 Bach suites, and one Weiss. Why did Nigel North, record the Chaconne and a 4 CD set of all Bach, and one Weiss suite, Edwardo Egüez 2 CD's of all Bach

Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread thomas . schall
PROTECTED] am 31.03.2005 13:31:37 An:Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Thema: Re: memorization Bach never wrote anything for lute??? Gary Digman - Original Message - From: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute net lute

was: memorization / no-boring-ability of the lute and nevertheless minoritarian

2005-03-31 Thread Manolo Laguillo
I agree: the lute is a thing of minorities. I can speak about my own case: I had my first active contact with the lute world only 3 years ago. Before I was, since many years, an amateur recorder and traverso player. In this 3 years I have immersed myself deeply in the lute and its music.

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Joseph Mayes
Dear Denys I have heard the claim - only from lute players - that the lute repertoire is much larger than that of the classical guitar. This seems to be accepted as undisputed fact - again, only by lute players. I have been immersed in both worlds now for over 40 years, I have been

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Joseph Mayes
Hear Hear!! On 3/31/05 2:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is really a very interesting thread! I memorize pieces for solo performance, and sight read (duo, or whatever) ensemble pieces. I find that memorization actually gives me much more freedom in interpretation

Repertoire, was: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
I have heard the claim - only from lute players - that the lute repertoire is much larger than that of the classical guitar. This seems to be accepted as undisputed fact - again, only by lute players. I have been immersed in both worlds now for over 40 years, I have been paying close

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
This is really a very interesting thread! I memorize pieces for solo performance, and sight read (duo, or whatever) ensemble pieces. I find that memorization actually gives me much more freedom in interpretation, from one performance to the next. I memorize the notes, not the way I play

Re: Repertoire, was: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Daniel Shoskes
There is an enormous amount of it churned out by MO and the like every year, but I doubt that any of it is Music, with the exception of Peteris Vasks guitar Sonata (probably the only guitar piece by a world-class composer during 20th century). Sound effects pap of Delpriora's type just cannot

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
Yes, I totally agree So why is Paul Odette's next CD going to have 3 Bach suites, and one Weiss. Why did Nigel North, record the Chaconne and a 4 CD set of all Bach, and one Weiss suite, Edwardo Eg? CD's of all Bach? and no Weiss. I'll tell you whyit's marketed to guitarist's.

Re: Repertoire, was: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
There is an enormous amount of it churned out by MO and the like every year, but I doubt that any of it is Music, with the exception of Peteris Vasks guitar Sonata (probably the only guitar piece by a world-class composer during 20th century). Sound effects pap of Delpriora's type just

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Michael Thames
This is really a very interesting thread! I memorize pieces for solo performance, and sight read (duo, or whatever) ensemble pieces. I find that memorization actually gives me much more freedom in interpretation, from one performance to the next. I memorize the notes, not the way I play them

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Michael Thames
AM Subject: Re: memorization Michael, How would you estimate the breakdown of the 3000 who play lutes? How many play renaissance lute only? How many play baroque lute only? How may play both, theorbo, etc? How many play lutes who have NOT also studied guitar? Has anyone done a study

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Michael Thames
: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: Re: memorization Yes, I totally agree So why is Paul Odette's next CD going to have 3 Bach suites, and one Weiss. Why did Nigel North, record the Chaconne and a 4 CD set of all Bach, and one Weiss suite, Edwardo Eg? CD's of all Bach

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Michael Thames
Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:41 AM Subject: Antwort: Re: memorization The small prelude in c-minor is for lute and the g-minor suite (pour Schouster) is an arrangement of a cello suite for lute by Bach himself. All other works

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Michael Thames
31, 2005 4:35 AM Subject: Re: memorization The only reason for doing anything is the love of doing it. Gary Digman - Original Message - From: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Michael Thames
Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: Re: memorization Yes, I totally agree So why is Paul Odette's next CD going to have 3

Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Michael Thames
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:22 AM Subject: Antwort: Re: memorization Yes - it's a pity that many lute players repeat the same pieces all over again. But in difference to the guitar world we do

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Dr. Marion Ceruti
Subject: Re: memorization Bach never wrote anything for lute??? Gary Digman - Original Message - From: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:32 PM Subject: Re

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
Weiss-Barto series sold over 7. RT Is that 70,000, or 7000? The FORMER. RT Yes, I totally agree So why is Paul Odette's next CD going to have 3 Bach suites, and one Weiss. Why did Nigel North, record the Chaconne and a 4 CD set of all Bach, and one Weiss suite, Edwardo Eg?

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Nancy Carlin
Where did you hear that? I had an employee of Naxos tell me that they anticipated sales of their CDs to average about 2000 and that was why they do not work with the usual royalty arrangements but pay a flat fee to the artists on their label. Nancy Carlin No question, I totally agree

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Michael Thames
in the world? Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: Re: memorization Weiss

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
in the world? I tried estimating once and came up with 6000, based on the new lute production rate. RT Subject: Re: memorization Weiss-Barto series sold over 7. RT Is that 70,000, or 7000? The FORMER. RT Yes, I totally agree So why is Paul Odette's next CD going to have 3

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
in the world? Michael Thames That was before #6. RT Subject: Re: memorization Weiss-Barto series sold over 7. RT Is that 70,000, or 7000? The FORMER. RT Yes, I totally agree So why is Paul Odette's next CD going to have 3 Bach suites, and one Weiss. Why did Nigel

Re: Repertoire, was: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Michael Thames
PROTECTED]; lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:41 AM Subject: Re: Repertoire, was: memorization On 3/31/05 9:55 AM, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard the claim - only from lute players - that the lute repertoire is much larger than

Re: was: memorization / no-boring-ability of the lute and nevertheless minoritarian

2005-03-31 Thread Dr. Marion Ceruti
Manolo, Thank yu for sharing. It is a pleasure to meet you on line. Best regards, Marion -Original Message- From: Manolo Laguillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 31, 2005 5:30 AM To: LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: was: memorization / no-boring-ability of the lute and nevertheless

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Denys Stephens
2:52 PM Subject: Re: memorization Dear Denys I have heard the claim - only from lute players - that the lute repertoire is much larger than that of the classical guitar. This seems to be accepted as undisputed fact - again, only by lute players. I have been immersed in both worlds

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Joseph Mayes
Dear Denys Thank you for your cordial response, but it raises as many questions as it answers - more or less. (see below) On 3/31/05 3:20 PM, Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Joseph, I think that's a fair challenge! I don't have the week or two spare that it would take to

RE: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Stuart LeBlanc
Emerson Quartet James Levine Pierre Boulez etc. -Original Message- From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:29 AM To: Joseph Mayes; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: memorization This is really a very interesting

Re: Repertoire, was: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Sal Salvaggio
I take it you do not care for Henze's music. Great stuff really - especially when you read thru some of it. Sort of breaks out of the mold of the spanish guitar music stuff - difficult to play - takes concentration and several hearings to appreciate. Gesualdo probably had that same problem.

Re: Repertoire, was: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
I saw Julian Bream premier the Henze Royal Winter piece in NY back in the 1970's - He read it from the manuscript - I never thought that he lacked proper professional stage presence, appeal to the general public or acceptance by guitarists. Why don't you get off the soap box and think about

Re: Repertoire, was: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
I take it you do not care for Henze's music. Great stuff really - especially when you read thru some of it. Sort of breaks out of the mold of the spanish guitar music stuff - difficult to play - takes concentration and several hearings to appreciate. Gesualdo probably had that same

Re: Repertoire, was: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Michael Thames
, though. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: Sal Salvaggio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:36 PM Subject: Re: Repertoire, was: memorization I take it you do not care for Henze's music. Great stuff really

Antwort: Re: Repertoire, was: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread thomas . schall
], lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Sal Salvaggio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Thema: Re: Repertoire, was: memorization I saw Julian Bream premier the Henze Royal Winter piece in NY back in the 1970's - He read it from the manuscript - I never thought that he lacked proper professional stage presence

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes, I totally agree So why is Paul Odette's next CD going to have 3 Bach suites, and one Weiss. Why did Nigel North, record the Chaconne and a 4 CD set of all Bach, and one Weiss suite, Edwardo Eg? If, as I guess, Edwardo Eg? is Eduardo Eguez, he has recorded so far Bach (2

Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Denys Stephens
that you are too much of a gentleman to do that :-) Best wishes, Denys - Original Message - From: Joseph Mayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 10:09 PM Subject: Re: memorization Dear Denys Thank

Re: memorization/Re: Gallot speaks...

2005-03-31 Thread Jon Murphy
, but if right it would seem that the memorization need only be the theme and that the variations could vary, and yet fit with the continuo or the other instruments. It raises the question as to whether the written music of those days really reflects the play, or merely the composer's guides to his piece

Re: Repertoire, was: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread Michael Thames
their Tablature in front of them, or it was taboo, or not the custom to do so. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: Sal Salvaggio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 5:36 PM Subject: Re: Repertoire, was: memorization I

Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread thomas . schall
Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED], lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Thema: Re: memorization That was before #6. RT Sorry, I figured everyone who was going to buy #6 all ready did. Michael Thames www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message

Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread thomas . schall
@cs.dartmouth.edu, Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Thema: Re: memorization I also, happen to know that no record company will invest in something that won't sell. Weiss-Barto series sold over 7. RT I have heard, that Naxos, pays

Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-03-31 Thread thomas . schall
are the only one's which make use of a 14th course (in german baroque - the archlute goes down to F and usually has 14 courses). Thomas Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] am 31.03.2005 17:54:21 An:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Thema: Re: Antwort: Re: memorization The small

Antwort: Re: memorization/Re: Gallot speaks...

2005-03-30 Thread thomas . schall
: memorization/Re: Gallot speaks... Ed, Thanks for advice. I think your right about memorizing it and then using the tab as a reference. Just playing through stuff is fun but you don't really progress, or perfect anything. Sight reading it seems, can become a crutch one can never free oneself

Re: memorization/Re: Gallot speaks...

2005-03-30 Thread Dr. Marion Ceruti
-Original Message- From: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 29, 2005 10:19 PM To: lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: memorization/Re: Gallot speaks... Ed, Thanks for advice. I think your right about memorizing it and then using the tab

Re: memorization/Re: Gallot speaks...

2005-03-30 Thread Ed Durbrow
memorization. Here is a short excerpt of what I have garnered. There are different types of memory. The more different kinds of memory you can draw on, the more solid the memory will likely be. Motor memory: Also known as muscle memory or tactile memory. Everyone seems to agree that muscle

Re: memorization/Re: Gallot speaks...

2005-03-30 Thread Ed Durbrow
I wonder if lute concerts will ever be on the level of guitar concerts where lutenist's have the proper professional stage presence to not be staring at their music all the time. This might give them more appeal to the general concert going public, and more acceptance by guitarist's. I always

Re: memorization/Re: Gallot speaks...

2005-03-30 Thread Dr. Marion Ceruti
Thank you, Ed, for your very interesting and informative message. Please see my comments below. Cheers, Marion -Original Message- From: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 30, 2005 9:04 AM To: lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: Re: memorization/Re: Gallot speaks... I would

Re: memorization

2005-03-30 Thread Michael Thames
: memorization Michael, Just to clarify the point about the lute players decline. I had mentioned that there seem to be less than 30 years ago when we had more than 25 of them at a lute event in the San Francisco area. On the other hand the LSA has had a 35% increase in members last year

Re: memorization

2005-03-30 Thread Roman Turovsky
If your giving a concert of Weiss and decide half way thought to play the Chaconne and happen to have the tab handy, this will hardly be a professional concert, will it? Not necessarily. Has been seen before, at the highest of levels. RT Not if one has never read through the chaconne

Re: memorization

2005-03-30 Thread David Cassetti
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Re: memorization

2005-03-30 Thread Michael Thames
PROTECTED] To: lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: Re: memorization Dear Michael, You wrote: I wonder if lute concerts will ever be on the level of guitar concerts where lutenist's have the proper professional stage presence to not be staring

Re: memorization

2005-03-30 Thread Roman Turovsky
Stephan wrote, Segovia (whom I admire greatly) did much to establish the form and content of the guitar recital format, which included playing from memory, but it has to be said that the content of his performances was predictable. There are only so many times that you want to hear the Bach

Re: memorization

2005-03-30 Thread Edward Martin
@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:01 PM Subject: Re: memorization Dear Michael, You wrote: I wonder if lute concerts will ever be on the level of guitar concerts where lutenist's have the proper professional stage presence to not be staring at their music all the time

Re: memorization

2005-03-30 Thread Michael Thames
: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:05 PM Subject: Re: memorization Stephan wrote, Segovia (whom I admire greatly) did much to establish the form and content

Re: memorization

2005-03-30 Thread Michael Thames
: Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:26 PM Subject: Re: memorization Eduardo Eguez has recorded Weiss. ed Yes, I totally agree So why is Paul

Re: memorization

2005-03-30 Thread Michael Thames
- From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:05 PM Subject: Re: memorization Stephan wrote, Segovia (whom I admire greatly) did much to establish the form

Re: memorization

2005-03-30 Thread JEdwardsMusic
This is really a very interesting thread! I memorize pieces for solo performance, and sight read (duo, or whatever) ensemble pieces. I find that memorization actually gives me much more freedom in interpretation, from one performance to the next. I memorize the notes, not the way I play

Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-03-30 Thread thomas . schall
wasn't/isn't that kind of performance typical for Bob Barto? Thomas Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] am 31.03.2005 02:32:18 An:Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED], lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Thema: Re: memorization If your

Antwort: Re: memorization

2005-03-30 Thread thomas . schall
] am 31.03.2005 04:32:16 An:lute net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Denys Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kopie: Thema: Re: memorization Stephan wrote, Segovia (whom I admire greatly) did much to establish the form and content of the guitar recital format, which included playing from memory

Re: memorization

2005-03-30 Thread Denys Stephens
Dear Michael, You wrote: I wonder if lute concerts will ever be on the level of guitar concerts where lutenist's have the proper professional stage presence to not be staring at their music all the time. This might give them more appeal to the general concert going public, and more acceptance

Re: memorization/Re: Gallot speaks...

2005-03-30 Thread Michael Thames
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: Re: memorization/Re: Gallot speaks... -Original Message- From: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 29, 2005 10:19 PM

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