I've got four Pyramid lute strings that are surplus to requirements - 2
x 0.425 and 2 x 0.500
If they're of any use to anyone, let me know and I'll put them in the
post to you.
julian
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lutes. I can suggest
you avoid using wound fishing line because it is abrasive. Yard trimmer
line lacks mass and did not produce sufficient volume for me. Also any
special cutting-edge profiles render it impractical for our use.
I have found fishing line strings enable me to play my
>>
I can use plain gut for the strings that go up to 100 cm, but beyond
that is what I need to work out. I imagine beyond that they will not
work. Any suggestions would be helpful.
>>
I have plain gut, singles, so only the lower octave, on the neck
extensi
t possible to set up an italian
theorbo with double courses.
Cheers,
Jay
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Just a couple of comments:
Because Weiss is in normal tuning, you need to accept quite a low pitch
at 76cm, about d' for the top string.
Italian theorboes were nearly always double strung on the fingerboard,
6x2, with 8 single basses. So there is no question of octave strings.
In any
tty cool.
I've only just come up with the idea so I haven't really put much thought into
it which is why I'm reaching out to the collective here. Can any of you think
of the major problems with this idea?
One obvious problem will be selecting the right strings. I'm thinki
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>Betreff: [LUTE] octave strings
>Datum: 31.07.2019, 20:41 Uhr
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>Anyone tried this method of octave string placemen
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Datum: 31.07.2019, 20:41 Uhr
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Anyone tried this method of octave string placement?
[1][2][2]https://www.thekremercollection.com/theodoor-rombouts/
Seems to be like on the baroque guitar. Never done that on a lute.
Mathias
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Probably to get the bass string of the course more present and to avoid
this sometimes annoying prevalence of the treble octave, especially in
thumb-index passages, but not only...
Jean-Marie
Le 31/07/2019 à 20:41, Lex Eisenhardt a écrit :
Anyone tried this method of octave string placem
I've seen photos of this practice on modern lutes, and asked the list
about it a year or two ago, but got no response. It must have some
justification, as the practise is used even today. There must surely be
someone here able to give a report, (or is it a "player's secret of
some so
I see what you're getting at--8ve and fundamental reversed--but the
illustrator has continued the practice through to the 2nd course. I
doubt it would have an octave on the 4th course at this point in time,
either. I'm not sure how much faith I should put into this painting.
Sean
Anyone tried this method of octave string placement?
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I just looked, and it seems they ceased selling Renaissance Lute
strings, and none of the others are silk.
That's may be why it didn't pop up when I was g**gling silk strings for
Renaissance lute...
On 24.04.19 13:44, Rainer Waldeck wrote:
The Silk - Strings made by Pirastro work
Omg - of course!
Well, that explains it. :)
Thanks Ron!
On 24.04.19 12:07, Ron Andrico wrote:
"Al Ray" may likely be my old friend Alexander Raykov, and I can attest
to the quality of his silk strings. Alex has been making silk strings
for several years and they are
, 24. April 2019 um 06:20 Uhr
Von: "Tristan von Neumann"
An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Silk Strings
..yes, I'm back...
But I will not talk about India.
Here's something I was wondering, because of the ever-present stringing
question. (I'm
And I'm kind of answering to myself after having browsed further material.
It seems aforementioned LP Kaster is quite a prolific retired artist and
has put a lot of work into making those strings.
And then I found a recording of a Renaissance lute played by youtuber
"Al Ray&
eriments with
dental floss. The winding technique is the bigger problem than the
material itself, but the sound is very promising.
Not that I have the money to buy those, but here's the question: has
anyone ever tried the silk strings this guy is offering on etsy?
https://www.etsy.c
It depends. Be mindful. Standard monofilament fishing line is nylon and a
similar density to nylon instrument strings, a little less dense than gut, and
should be functionally a little thicker as a gut substitute (use a good string
calculator).
However, fluorocarbon fishing line is also
aving the same diameter as lute
> strings.
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bs concerto for lute and strings
I found this:
[1]http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id17616
It is a 4-CD set of music by Krebs, and the lute concerto is performed
by Stefan Maass.
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Any lute recording of this: "Johann Ludwig Krebs - Concerto for Guitar
and String Orchestra"? It was written fo
Any lute recording of this: "Johann Ludwig Krebs - Concerto for Guitar
and String Orchestra"? It was written for D-minor lute and strings, NOT
guitar...
see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwyO_oDRX3U
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Pupil gave me a package of Savarez Alliance Corum. Corum is about the
bass strings. These are silver plated, round wound, more flexible
strings. The package says they are polished. Anyway, they're not jazz
flatwounds, so they're squeaky.
And for the early music police
Dear All,
I am looking on line at a new set of strings for my classical guitar, in
particular the Savarez New Cristal Corum strings. I looked at all the
information available but nothing tells me if the bass strings are flat wound
or wire wound, only that they are silver plate. Do any of you
Shouldn't the subject line read: Dyeing strings ? For a minute I thought
you were talking about old strings, fraying, uneven, false and ready to
retire...
On 05/31/2018 06:24 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote:
At Gamut strings, we sometimes dye them, but we do this when the gut is wet,
befor
> At Gamut strings, we sometimes dye them, but we do this when the gut is wet,
> before the string is twisted and constructed. After the string is twisted,
> dry and ready to be used, we do not color our strings because we would have
> to soak them to make them wet again, an
;[1]fournier...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have occasionally coloured my strings with permanent marker (
Sharpie) it lasts quite a long time..
Bruno
2018-05-30 10:36 GMT-04:00 Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche
<[1][2]mperu...@aquilacorde.com>:
Things
I have occasionally coloured my strings with permanent marker (
Sharpie) it lasts quite a long time..
Bruno
2018-05-30 10:36 GMT-04:00 Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche
<[1]mperu...@aquilacorde.com>:
Things are not that easy.
Ed is right, however it is possible to d
Things are not that easy.
Ed is right, however it is possible to dye the string just after polishing,
and this is what the stringmakers that make harp strings usually do.
This is done using a double component coloured varnish and using a sponge. Of
course, in this case you obtain a varnished
Hi Ed,
At Gamut strings, we sometimes dye them, but we do this when the gut is
wet, before the string is twisted and constructed. After the string
is twisted, dry and ready to be used, we do not color our strings
because we would have to soak them to make them wet again, and this
Has anyone found a way that worked for them to dye gut strings? I have used a
magic marker but it wears off.
Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
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What do you mean?
I am a mathematician, not a physicist, but I think it is clear that the maximum
amplitude depends on the attack.
Rainer
On 13.05.2018 17:24, Jörg Hilbert wrote:
Dear collected wisdom,
can you tell me something about the amplitude of different strings – gut,
Nylgut, carbon
Dear collected wisdom,
can you tell me something about the amplitude of different strings – gut,
Nylgut, carbon and nylon?
What’s the widest and nearest?
Thank you very much
Jörg
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I like Kapsberger and Piccinini, and Michelagnolo Galilei.
Those pieces are ok to play, but most French stuff just doesn't sound
right to me without the deeper register...
Am 15.12.2017 um 02:28 schrieb G. C.:
>Unfortunately, 7 courses don't take you very far.
Even if you should only
>Unfortunately, 7 courses don't take you very far.
Even if you should only have 7 courses, that is no reason, not to play
music made for different tunings or more courses. You can always
octavate bases, and most of the music happens on those 6 original ones
anyway.
G.
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From: Ron Andrico
Date: 12/14/17 12:31 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Tristan von Neumann , lutelist Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: not about strings !
I agre
>Unfortunately, 7 courses don't take you very far.
Could you pls. elaborate? I'm not sure what you are saying with this.
G.
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This is one way to look at it, and these Lutists certainly were the Erik
Saties of their time. "Musique d'ameublement" in rooms rich in reverb.
I can see the appeal!
Unfortunately, 7 courses don't take you very far.
Am 14.12.2017 um 23:14 schrieb G. C.:
Yes, of course this music is "formula
Yes, of course this music is "formulaic and skinny". That's the whole
point! To allow the 10 / 11 course to sing with its newly aquired bass
register. To savour and bring out the emerging notion of "affekt". Its
a reaction to the rich polyphony of the cinquecento. Meditative,
poised,
On 14/12/2017 19:32, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
True, but compared to earlier styles, these seem kind of skinny, also
oftentimes formulaic.
Skinny and formulaic?? Have you been using Google translate again?
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True, but compared to earlier styles, these seem kind of skinny, also
oftentimes formulaic. (I love Froberger though, I used to play some of
his fugues on my piano.)
But this is surely different in different countries... in Germany at
least colorful Venetian Style vocal and instrumental music
On 14/12/2017 18:31, Ron Andrico wrote:
But seventeenth century music is indeed more extrovert and
performance-oriented than the more subtle and introspective music of
the sixteenth century. I believe this to be the thrust of the remarks
J. Titelouze directed to Mersenne
What about
The complaint is surely understandable...
Coming from lush madrigals of the likes of Marenzio and earlier
Monteverdi the music of the 1620s sure look like a monodic desert.
Am 14.12.2017 um 15:43 schrieb Jean-Marie Poirier:
Georges, Walsh Stuart did it before I could do anything !
The end o
Georges, Walsh Stuart did it before I could do anything !
The end of the paragraph you quoted is worth reading too :
"Secondement les esprits de ce temps sont préocupez de tant de vanité,
d'ambition et d'avarice, que la musique
ne trouve plus lieu pour s'i loger puissament, de sorte que pour la
Am 14.12.2017 um 12:49 schrieb WALSH STUART:
> Google translate is amazing: translations between many different
> languages. And it's free...insofar as anything from google is free.. a
> lure into a google-dominated world.
It's not so amazing. It could be much better.
Google translate runs every
Luth, pouvoir de la musique et J. Titelouze.
Le 2 mars 1622 Jehan Titelouze écrit au Père Mersenne à propos de la
puissance de la musique des Anciens sur les passions :
« …Il me souvient d'avoir veu en ma jeunesse tout le monde admirer et
se ravir d'un homme qui touchoit
Luth, pouvoir de la musique et J. Titelouze.
Le 2 mars 1622 Jehan Titelouze écrit au Père Mersenne à propos de la
puissance de la musique des Anciens sur les passions :
« â¦Il me souvient d'avoir veu en ma jeunesse tout le monde admirer et
se ravir d'un homme qui touchoit le
note.
Best regards
Stephan
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von Mimmo - Aquila Corde Armoniche
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. August 2017 19:59
An: Dan Winheld
Cc: Lute List
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
ning the use of wound strings
on German d -minor lutes of 11 & 13 courses. The first is of 1716 (Thanks to
Andreas Schleger researching). There are others: one of 1730's; one of 1740's;
two of 1760's; one of 1790's. Unfortunately is not weritten if the wound
strings wer
ning the use of wound strings
on German d -minor lutes of 11 & 13 courses. The first is of 1716 (Thanks to
Andreas Schleger researching). There are others: one of 1730's; one of 1740's;
two of 1760's; one of 1790's. Unfortunately is not weritten if the wound
strings wer
ical
evidences concerning the use of wound strings on German d -minor lutes of 11 &
13 courses. The first is of 1716 (Thanks to Andreas Schleger researching).
There are others: one of 1730's; one of 1740's; two of 1760's; one of 1790's.
Unfortunately is not weritten if the
I recently saw a hurdy gurdy (19th century?) in an antique shop with some drone
gut strings that looked (to my eye) about 1.5 - 1.75 mm in diameter. They were
pretty old. I’ll bet it’s still there with that $3k price tag if anyone wants
it. A nice old theorbo’d Vandervogl, too, that they had
I still, to this day, dont understand why we have no surviving examples
of lute bass strings on all those lutes in museums..surely not every
lute was transformed or adapted for post renaissance and baroque
playing..
Envoyé de mon appareil Samsung de Bell via le réseau le plus
And not to be forgotten, the great work of Dan Larson of "Gamut"
Strings- using real gut subjected to great research & creativity to
bring us lute strings- esp. those troublesome basses- that come closer
to a "real" thing!
Dan
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years of
luting I have done my own small efforts; sacrifices, mistakes, and at
this point have made the compromises (bargains with the devil too)
necessary to continue as I head into the sunset, frets still fraying &
strings still breaking.
Dan
On 8/31/2017 2:23 AM, Mimmo - Aquila Cor
Mimmo,
You are a Lute Saint! And not least for the strings, but ESPECIALLY your
wonderful work, "The Lute in its Historical Reality", all about the
evolution of the strings; including what we know, what we don't know,
and why we even know (and not know!). In a way, perhaps i
di
Matthew Daillie
Inviato: giovedì 31 agosto 2017 10:21
A: Lute List
Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
I would just like to say that I have been critical of the past productions of
CD loaded nylgut strings firstly to warn other players who want to buy them
that all is not yet
di
Matthew Daillie
Inviato: giovedì 31 agosto 2017 10:21
A: Lute List
Oggetto: [LUTE] Re: KF vs. new Aquila bass strings
I would just like to say that I have been critical of the past productions of
CD loaded nylgut strings firstly to warn other players who want to buy them
that all is not yet
I would just like to say that I have been critical of the past productions of
CD loaded nylgut strings firstly to warn other players who want to buy them
that all is not yet rosy and secondly in the hope that future productions will
be much better.
I think the biggest proof of my support of
I completely agree with all of you empowering the work made by Mimmo.
It is absolutely clear that he is spending lots of time and efforts on
CD basses, you only have to take a look at his facebook timeline, but
it is also true that for him to be able to produce these strings is
Hi Fishing-Lutists!
I can get a hold of Seaguar Blue Label which has diameters that hold up
to 80lbs. Can I use those for the lower register? I believe they are not
monofilaments, but pure fluorocarbon.
How would I know which diameter is which strength?
How do you string octaves?
Cheers!
Tris
nists.
Unfortunately he has to make a living, and providing a few lute players
with historically-appropriate strings can only be a small part of his
activity. I hope that the current difficulties can be overcome and we
can have a reliable supply of usable strings.
So well done Mimmo, and keep u
ums, x-ray , Mimmo and other string
manufacturers , as well as Chales Besnainou, took time and effort to
try and understand and reproduce strings that had the properties of
historical gut. there are many unknowns still. I thik Mimmo's approach
with CD loaded strings, is to be
Yes, hurray and three cheers to Mimmo! Love his loaded gut strings and his
loaded nylgut strings.
Mathias
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An
A hearty hurrah for Mimmo !
Jean-Marie
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> Mimmo has been alone in developing synthetic 'gut' strings which have
> led to many benefits for plucked period instrument players. I d
In all this discussion might we spare a thought for Mimmo Peruffo?
Mimmo has been alone in developing synthetic 'gut' strings which have
led to many benefits for plucked period instrument players. I don't
think he's really making loads of money from all this ha
chit-chat over consumer goods - even to
> the point of treating our lutes as consumer goods.
>
> Obviously, we have to accept that we live in the 21st century and
> technologies like synthetic strings (and clever lute notation software)
> are relevant, useful and difficult t
Thanks for the info Martin. I was particularly interested to learn that from
0.95 upwards Savarez strings are multi-coated. I at last understand why when I
cut a long PVDF in two to put on the fifth course of a lute, one of the
resulting strings was false going up the fingerboard but fine when
I wonder what is left of the original idea of playing instruments, built as
the original ones were built, with historically informed technique. Single
strung archlutes, foldable theorbos, short theorbos strung with wound
strings, instruments with different vibrating lengths always tuned to 440
Just to clarify:
The Japanese fishing line, Savarez KF, and Kürschner "PVF" are all the
same material - PVDF (not "carbon" or "carbon fibre"), with a density
about 38% greater than gut. All have been available for many years.
The Savarez KF strings are monofi
e not easy to get in Europe. Their black label called 'Grand
Max' is also very good (up to .52)
Other brands (available in different diameters) I use are 'Gamakatsu G-Line' or
'Stroft'
Andreas
> Am 30.08.2017 um 01:49 schrieb Edward Martin :
>
> Very interes
Very interesting indeed. Among the very first users of carbon strings
is Toyohiko Satoh, and the original company was called I think Seagar,
or something like that. They are a Japanese manufacturer of fishing
line. So, all who use carbon are using fishing line.
ed
On Tue
rably those
available in Europe.
I thought monofilaments were thinner, the chanterelle was like .33mm
from Pyramid Strings. That could be a little hard on the holes.
I also don't want to damage my lute by overstringing it...
Thanks for the hint!
Am 29.08.2017 um 14:25 schrieb George Arndt:
I normally use KF strings on the swan neck lute and copper wound gut
strings (Kürschner) on the short lutes.
The other day I had to replace one of the copper gut strings using a
KF. This allowed me to compare the sustain (covering all other strings)
- there was no difference
George-
Very interesting what different people have come up with. So you are
able to get down pretty "deep" in the bass with fishing line? Quite
intriguing! Can you tell us what material, diameter and (if you've
figured it out) the tension of these strings? Only thing
Unfortunately there have been serious issues with the new loaded nylgut strings.
Availability has been erratic ( I believe that there have only been two batches
so far, the second stiffer than the first) with promises of delivery of certain
references delayed by several months.
Some gauges
A question for those of you who have tried, used, and been satisfied
with the Savarez KF (originally for harp) bass strings- the gut like one
starting at .90 or .95 mm thickness (losing memory here) and have also
tried Mimmo Peruffo's new basses- How do they compare? I am mostly quite
Well, That's weird. Try again:
I did get a reply from an inquiry with Savarez. No need to panic yet:
They have re-done their web site, but not finished it. They put the web
site on-line without inserting the listing for Early Period Instrument
strings. They will be added
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These strings are not listed on the new Savarez web site. Does anybody
know if they are discontinued?
A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
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Dear all,
does anyone know a supplier of half wound gut strings? Not the gimped
or luxline typ of strings, as they seem to have less metal than real
demi-filés. What I need is something in between luxlines and
closewounds for the deepest bass of a baroque lute with bass rider
On 15/03/17 20:38, Susanne Herre wrote:
Dear all,
Does anyone know the exact density of Savarez KF Alliance Strings? (to
feed the string calculator with the correct info ;-))
That would be really helpful!
Many thanks,
Susanne Herre
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Dear all,
Does anyone know the exact density of Savarez KF Alliance Strings? (to
feed the string calculator with the correct info ;-))
That would be really helpful!
Many thanks,
Susanne Herre
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Excellent. Congratulations, Mimmo. I like these strings.
Rob MacKillop
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wrote:
Dear all,
I have done the update version of these CD's
they finally stretch less and slip on the nut very well
Dear all,
I have done the update version of these CD's
they finally stretch less and slip on the nut very well.
here is a few examples on the same lute:
me on my lute (!):
https://www.facebook.com/mperuffo/videos/10212919284678228/
with Xavier Diaz (maybe he is a better player than me! Maybe ..
Dear lutenists,
I am pretty sure that most of you have already heard about these new
strings, since Mimmo Peruffo has been posting some pictures and
comments about all the development process on Facebook.
We thought that it could be a great idea to publish an interview with
Mimmo
There are 81 possible sequences of four notes played on
the first three open strings.
Below is a PDF of these 81 sequences, arranged in a random
order.
You can use it as a basis for devising exercises which include
the thumb. For example, (assuming Baroque lute) alternating the
thumb between
Let me please share our online store and blog, completely devoted to
lutes & family.
Do not hesitate to contact us if you need any kind of strings :)
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Regards.
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<[3]john.c
I am also based in the UK, and I bought a few strings from from Strings
by Mail last year. It all went very smoothly, with no sign of
intervention by customs - maybe because it was a small order - and I
can echo the very positive experience described below.
John Collingwood
>Origi
Thanks for this John - though I'm not sure what a 'Royal tax' is!
I had hoped that, since these strings are made in this part of the
world (France) that there may be a reliable stockist a bit closer to
home
re
I passed this query on to Strings by Mail and got this response:
We do ship to the UK. Shipping times do vary with IPA shipments and
there is little tracking info. If you upgrade to USPS Priority the
shipping time is much shorter and you will get tracking from door to
door
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Subject: [LUTE] A source for Savarez lute strings-Details of latest
excellent experience
I just bought more Savarez Alliance strings. I placed the order at
11:29 on May 9th. One hour later, the order was packed and
I just bought more Savarez Alliance strings. I placed the order at
11:29 on May 9th. One hour later, the order was packed and sent to the
post office. Three hours later there was a tracking number from the
post office. The strings arrived in my mail on May 12 along with a hand
I’ll second your recommendation, John and would add that it’s true of most
strings. Even from France their prices, shipping included, are less than
European prices until I get above €25. At that level, lordofthestrings.com in
the Netherlands, with Europe-wide free shipping on orders above
I just bought some Savarez Alliance KF strings from:
[1]https://www.stringsbymail.com
I have used this site for Savarez guitar strings many times, and always
got excellent service. I am also glad to support this site because they
sponsor some outstanding young performers
Boston Catlines- Olav Chris Henriksen
catli...@aol.com
He retails everything that can be tied to lutes, guitars, vihuelas, arch
things, etc. and he is also a fine performer on all plucked instruments
for which he sells strings. (All brands, including the Savarez KF- top
to bottom, he can
How about a USA website that sells Savarez lute strings?
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Andreas Schlegel has published an edition for a normal 13-course setup.
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