Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-08-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 15:03, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thursday 21 February 2008 12:20, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL > > > variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to c

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-03-05 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Wed, Mar 05, 2008 at 11:42:01AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Could you explain why? > > > > Qt 4 does not use any QT4* environment variables. > > No, this is our doing. But did qt3's qmake use QTDIR variables? Qt 3 relied in several pla

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-03-05 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Could you explain why? > > Qt 4 does not use any QT4* environment variables. No, this is our doing. But did qt3's qmake use QTDIR variables? JMarc

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-03-04 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Mar 04, 2008 at 03:42:25PM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL > >> variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. > > > > The QT4* values are (contrary to

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-03-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> > The QT4* values are (contrary to Qt 3 ones) _not_ needed, neither by >> > a distribution nor by LyX. >> >> Could you explain why? > > I'm not sure which statement you'd like explained. The statement I made > was "After what I went through, I'd recommend

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-03-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 04 March 2008 09:42, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL > >> variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. > > > > The QT4* values are (contrary to Qt 3 ones) _n

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-03-04 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL >> variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. > > The QT4* values are (contrary to Qt 3 ones) _not_ needed, neither by > a distribution nor by LyX. Could you expla

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Friday 22 February 2008 03:18, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > How much backward compatibility? Here's my belief: > > > > Age of tools when distro is created: 6 months > > Age of distro when installed: 4 months > > Time between distro upgrades 24 months > >

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-22 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Steve Litt wrote: How much backward compatibility? Here's my belief: Age of tools when distro is created: 6 months Age of distro when installed: 4 months Time between distro upgrades 24 months - Desireable backward compatibility:

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread John Coppens
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:53:25 +0100 Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We are talking about Qt 4._1_ and that's quite a bit more than a year > old. So this fits well into your concept of 'grace period'. Mmmm... Sorry about that. Twice confused. I was convinced having read somewhere that Ly

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 06:09:12PM -0200, John Coppens wrote: > On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:54:54 +0100 > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > reinstalled on a fresh partition but I still have problems. So among > > > other things I am giving up on Lyx. More to the point, I am giving up > >

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 21 February 2008 19:55:28 Steve Litt wrote: > On my box, every make, whether successful or failure, takes about 25 > minutes, and ./configure takes 5 minutes. I'm not going to have time to do > that for at least a couple weeks. In such cases ccache is really useful. :-) > The answer

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 21 February 2008 20:03:04 Steve Litt wrote: >   --with-version-suffix=1.5.3 You can simply use --with-version-suffix and configure will put the right version for you. :-) -- José Abílio

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread John Coppens
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:54:54 +0100 Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > reinstalled on a fresh partition but I still have problems. So among > > other things I am giving up on Lyx. More to the point, I am giving up > > on recommending Lyx to TEX newbies. If someone can cite a version of >

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 12:20, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL > > variables to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. > > What do you mean? > > JMarc UIC4=/usr/lib/qt4/bin/

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 11:48, José Matos wrote: > On Thursday 21 February 2008 16:24:30 Steve Litt wrote: > > So I'd add something like: > > > > WARNING!!! ALWAYS DELETE AND RESTORE YOUR LYX 1.5.3 SOURCE TREE AFTER A > > BLOWN ./CONFIGURE OR MAKE!!! > > > > And then add a sentence saying why.

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 04:48:43PM +, José Matos wrote: > On Thursday 21 February 2008 16:24:30 Steve Litt wrote: > > So I'd add something like: > > > > WARNING!!! ALWAYS DELETE AND RESTORE YOUR LYX 1.5.3 SOURCE TREE AFTER A > > BLOWN ./CONFIGURE OR MAKE!!! > > > > And then add a sentence sayin

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 12:54:05PM +0100, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > LyX makes great use of C++ Standard Template Library (STL). This means > that gcc users will have to install the relevant libstdc++ library to > be able to compile this version of LyX. I'd drop this paragraph. If at all it's the

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:27:25AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thursday 21 February 2008 08:10, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "G. Milde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > 1. A Linux distribution might provide alternative means to QTDIR for > > >specifying the qt4 dir. > > > > Actually, the

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > After what I went through, I'd recommend that someone strongarm ALL variables > to the Qt4 values, and not leave anything to chance. What do you mean? JMarc

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 07:47, Helge Hafting wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > Makes perfect sense to me, and I couldn't have said it better myself. A > > person should not have to upgrade their distro every few months in order > > to compile the latest apps. > > If you want to compile the very

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 21 February 2008 16:24:30 Steve Litt wrote: > So I'd add something like: > > WARNING!!! ALWAYS DELETE AND RESTORE YOUR LYX 1.5.3 SOURCE TREE AFTER A > BLOWN ./CONFIGURE OR MAKE!!! > > And then add a sentence saying why. make clean is not enough? I am asking although I suspect that the

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 08:10, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > "G. Milde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > 1. A Linux distribution might provide alternative means to QTDIR for > >specifying the qt4 dir. > > Actually, the variable we use is QT4DIR. > > JMarc That reminds me of one more thing:

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Thursday 21 February 2008 06:48, Pavel Sanda wrote: > > Deleting and re-extracting the source tree did the trick. So the steps to > > cure the problem turned out to be: > > Good to hear. > > Steve, if you think that README & INSTALL files put you somewhere > in the wrong direction, the best you

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
G. Milde wrote: On 21.02.08, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Actually the INSTALL file has been cleaned up a lot for 1.5.4, see attached. May I propose a small patch for improved clarity? Sure, thanks. Abdel.

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
"G. Milde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 1. A Linux distribution might provide alternative means to QTDIR for >specifying the qt4 dir. Actually, the variable we use is QT4DIR. JMarc

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread G. Milde
On 21.02.08, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Actually the INSTALL file has been cleaned up a lot for 1.5.4, see > attached. May I propose a small patch for improved clarity? --- /home/m/INSTALL 2008-02-21 13:56:56.0 +0100 +++ /home/m/INSTALL.old 2008-02-21 13:58:20.0 +0100 @@ -13

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Pavel Sanda wrote: Deleting and re-extracting the source tree did the trick. So the steps to cure the problem turned out to be: Good to hear. Steve, if you think that README & INSTALL files put you somewhere in the wrong direction, the best you can do is to send us the corrections. Actuall

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread Pavel Sanda
> Deleting and re-extracting the source tree did the trick. So the steps to > cure > the problem turned out to be: Good to hear. Steve, if you think that README & INSTALL files put you somewhere in the wrong direction, the best you can do is to send us the corrections. Pavel

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-21 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 21 February 2008 06:43:12 Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > I've promised to keep out of this thread but this is again plain FUD, > LyX-1.5 is perfectly compilable with Qt-4.1.0. The INSTALL file only > says that it has been _tested_ with Qt-4.1.5. All version of Qt-4.1.x > are course binary a

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Steve Litt wrote: In hindsight, I'm not going to disagree with you, always assuming it would have taken extra work to leave xforms in. My concern was more with the choice of 4.1.5 as a minimum rather than earlier 4.x (I actually got it working with 4.1.4). I've promised to keep out of this t

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Wednesday 20 February 2008 17:45, Micha wrote: > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:39:12 +0100 > > Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> So for example you applaud if microsoft decides that each and every > > >> software they issue will be restricted t

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Micha
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:39:12 +0100 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> So for example you applaud if microsoft decides that each and every > >> software they issue will be restricted to run only on vista, right? > >> Curiously, they do not do th

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> So for example you applaud if microsoft decides that each and every >> software they issue will be restricted to run only on vista, right? >> Curiously, they do not do that. > > curiously, nothing runs properly on vista, including vista, and they keep > implying

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Micha
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 14:39:55 +0100 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > In that case you need the 1.5 year old Lyx to match your 1.5 year old > > distro, don't you? > > So for example you applaud if microsoft decides that each and every > soft

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Wednesday 20 February 2008 08:40, you wrote: > Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > My one remaining problem is that the fonts on the menu, scrollbars and > > dialog boxes are too small for me to read. I'll be looking up how to make > > them larger in the next few days. > > Try to run qtco

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My one remaining problem is that the fonts on the menu, scrollbars and dialog > boxes are too small for me to read. I'll be looking up how to make them > larger in the next few days. Try to run qtconfig (the qt4 version of course). JMarc

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In that case you need the 1.5 year old Lyx to match your 1.5 year old distro, > don't you? So for example you applaud if microsoft decides that each and every software they issue will be restricted to run only on vista, right? Curiously, they do not do that. J

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Ethan Metsger
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:16:36 -0500, Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My one remaining problem is that the fonts on the menu, scrollbars and dialog boxes are too small for me to read. I'll be looking up how to make them larger in the next few days. Hi, Steve. You might be able to get

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 19 February 2008 01:22, you wrote: > Nobody cautioned you yet in this thread. Delete the source tree and > untar a fresh copy before re-setting the environment and re-running > configure. Otherwise, same old mistakes just happen again and again. > > I did this recompile myself a few we

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Micha
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:02:34 -0600 "Paul Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 19, 2008 1:38 PM, Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday 19 February 2008 02:01, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > > > Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > > Interestingly, it appears that in order to upgrade to qt

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Micha
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:38:57 -0500 Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 19 February 2008 02:01, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > > Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Interestingly, it appears that in order to upgrade to qt 2.2.3, I would > > > need to upgrade my glibc (because of rtld(GNU_HASH)).

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Micha
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:32:02 -0500 Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 19 February 2008 02:07, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > > JOHN CULLETON wrote: > > > While in the process of trying to add things like Qt4 to my Slack 12 > > > system I managed to mung my ability to send outgoing mail

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-20 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
deedee wrote: The only other issue I'm aware of I believe someone already mentioned. You have to make sure that the devel- files are the same as the regular ones; just as some software that requires kernel-headers to install from source, the kernel-headers have to the same as the current kerne

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Steve Litt wrote: On Tuesday 19 February 2008 02:01, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Then there's the fact that some of us have dialup, and some in rural areas are years from getting broadband. The "just upgrade your qt" suggestion could be a day's downloading over a phone line tha

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Steve Litt wrote: Yeah, that's the way to get LyX users -- tell em if they're not willing to upgrade the very vitals of their OS so that the developers can use the latest and greatest Qt instead of providing compatibility with a couple year old version (Qt 4 came out summer 2005, but Qt 4.2 is

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Steve Litt wrote: On Tuesday 19 February 2008 02:01, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Steve Litt wrote: Then there's the fact that some of us have dialup, and some in rural areas are years from getting broadband. The "just upgrade your qt" suggestion could be a day's downloading over a phone line tha

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Pavel Sanda
> > > While in the process of trying to add things like Qt4 to my Slack 12 > > > system I managed to mung my ability to send outgoing mail. I > > > reinstalled on a fresh partition but I still have problems. So among > > > other things I am giving up on Lyx. More to the point, I am giving up > > >

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 19 February 2008 02:01, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > Then there's the fact that some of us have dialup, and some in rural > > areas are years from getting broadband. The "just upgrade your qt" > > suggestion could be a day's downloading over a phone line that could g

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 19 February 2008 02:07, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > JOHN CULLETON wrote: > > While in the process of trying to add things like Qt4 to my Slack 12 > > system I managed to mung my ability to send outgoing mail. I > > reinstalled on a fresh partition but I still have problems. So among > > o

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Feb 19, 2008 1:38 PM, Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 19 February 2008 02:01, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > > Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Interestingly, it appears that in order to upgrade to qt 2.2.3, I would > > > need to upgrade my glibc (because of rtld(GNU_HASH)). I'm sorry, b

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Tuesday 19 February 2008 02:01, Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > Interestingly, it appears that in order to upgrade to qt 2.2.3, I would > > need to upgrade my glibc (because of rtld(GNU_HASH)). I'm sorry, but > > that's just too much to expect from a user. > > No offense intend

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread deedee
On Tuesday 19 February 2008 11:38 am, Paul Johnson wrote: > My recollection is that Mandriva is an RPM based system that > branched out of Mandrake, which began as a simple re-packaging > of RedHat linux with "optimized" packages for i586 and i686. I > see nothing in their pages to make me think I'

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 02:59:04PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Thanks very much Paul, > > I have no time today, but tomorrow or the next day I'll delete the LyX source > tree, re-extract the tarball, and try again now that libqt4-devel is > installed. > > One thing I cannot do is upgrade from Qt

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 01:38:31PM -0600, Paul Johnson wrote: > Oh, please. The suspense is killing me. Did Steve succeed in > building the LyX he wants? > > If not, lets help him do it. The troubles that were posted early on > were common errors in configure/make stages of building software.

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
Thanks very much Paul, I have no time today, but tomorrow or the next day I'll delete the LyX source tree, re-extract the tarball, and try again now that libqt4-devel is installed. One thing I cannot do is upgrade from Qt-4.1.4 to Qt-4.2.3. I'm concerned about the stability of my system as a w

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Paul Johnson
Oh, please. The suspense is killing me. Did Steve succeed in building the LyX he wants? If not, lets help him do it. The troubles that were posted early on were common errors in configure/make stages of building software. My recollection is that Mandriva is an RPM based system that branched ou

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 10:22:38AM +0100, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > No offense intended Steve but you are obviously confused with version > > numbers etc. I even suspect that you didn't even fully read the README > > and INSTALL that come wit

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 01:54:26AM +0100, Pavel Sanda wrote: > erm, this is the second time you mention qt 2.x.y, i previsouly > thought its just typo and i wonder - on my distro there are only qt > 3.3.8 and qt 4.3.2 available. you really mean 'upgrade to 2.2.3' ? - > this seems to be some messag

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 07:41:49PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Then there's the fact that some of us have dialup, and some in rural > areas are years from getting broadband. The "just upgrade your qt" > suggestion could be a day's downloading over a phone line that could > go down any time. I've be

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 03:27:28PM -0800, JOHN CULLETON wrote: > While in the process of trying to add things like Qt4 to my Slack 12 > system I managed to mung my ability to send outgoing mail. Surely Qt ate your outgoing mail. There's no way that this could be case of PEBKAC. Earth is flat, pi

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 05:54:30PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > UIC=/usr/lib/qt4/bin/uic ./configure --with-extra-prefix=/usr/lib/qt4 > --with-qt4-dir=/usr/lib/qt4 --with-qt4-includes=/usr/lib/qt4/include > --with-qt4-libraries=/usr/lib/qt4/lib There's btw no reason to actuall _install_ Qt, runnin

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 05:38:49PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Monday 18 February 2008 17:07, Rich Shepard wrote: > > On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > > > To answer your Subject line: > > > > > > xforms has not been maintained in around four years. > > > >And, it was plain ugly. :

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Micha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > He wants a nice new Ferrari and still fuel it with leaded fuel, it > doesn't work that way. It is just a matter of having a program that works well and where issues get fixed. If today somebody comes and ask for a bugfix to LyX 1.37, I do not think it would be

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Micha
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:22:38 +0100 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > No offense intended Steve but you are obviously confused with version > > numbers etc. I even suspect that you didn't even fully read the README > > and INSTALL

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: In the case of Steve, his problem was clearly something he could have resolved by himself without questioning our choice of development tool. Well, anybody can at least question our choices. This does not mean that we

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> But now I want to upgrade LyX without installing a newer operating system. >> I don't think that's too much to ask. >> > Lyx 1.5.3 is in the repository main/testing current of Mandriva. This is for people using Mandriva 2008. Some people use older versions... JMarc

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In the case of Steve, his problem was clearly something he could have > resolved by himself without questioning our choice of development > tool. Well, anybody can at least question our choices. This does not mean that we shall not stand by them, b

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread cmiramon
> But now I want to upgrade LyX without installing a newer operating system. > I don't think that's too much to ask. > According to this : http://sophie.zarb.org/rpmfind?mversion=community&mversion=cooker&mversion=current&search=lyx&st=rpmname&submit=Soumettre&qcount=20 Lyx 1.5.3 is in the repos

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: No offense intended Steve but you are obviously confused with version numbers etc. I even suspect that you didn't even fully read the README and INSTALL that come with the source. As an end-user, either you wait for your

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No offense intended Steve but you are obviously confused with version > numbers etc. I even suspect that you didn't even fully read the README > and INSTALL that come with the source. As an end-user, either you wait > for your distro to come with a b

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-19 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
John McCabe-Dansted wrote: On Feb 19, 2008 4:07 PM, Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: JOHN CULLETON wrote: on recommending Lyx to TEX newbies. If someone can cite a version of Lyx that runs without tears on the latest stable version of Slack (12) then I may give it a try again. 1.3

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread John McCabe-Dansted
On Feb 19, 2008 4:07 PM, Abdelrazak Younes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > JOHN CULLETON wrote: > > on recommending Lyx to TEX newbies. If someone can cite a version of > > Lyx that runs without tears on the latest stable version of Slack > > (12) then I may give it a try again. 1.3.7? Being able to

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
JOHN CULLETON wrote: While in the process of trying to add things like Qt4 to my Slack 12 system I managed to mung my ability to send outgoing mail. I reinstalled on a fresh partition but I still have problems. So among other things I am giving up on Lyx. More to the point, I am giving up on reco

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Steve Litt wrote: On Monday 18 February 2008 18:01, Pavel Sanda wrote: It shouldn't be this difficult to compile LyX. It wasn't this difficult a couple years ago. actually this should be the job of your distro maintainers, not lyx. I've been hearing a lot of that type of comment lately, and

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Paul Johnson
Nobody cautioned you yet in this thread. Delete the source tree and untar a fresh copy before re-setting the environment and re-running configure. Otherwise, same old mistakes just happen again and again. I did this recompile myself a few weeks ago on Scientific Linux and I ended up setting QTDI

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 18 February 2008 19:54, Pavel Sanda wrote: > > But now I want to upgrade LyX without installing a newer operating > > system. I don't think that's too much to ask. > > > > One could counter that if I used Debian I could just apt-get install the > > whole thing. Well I don't use Debian --

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Pavel Sanda
> But now I want to upgrade LyX without installing a newer operating system. I > don't think that's too much to ask. > > One could counter that if I used Debian I could just apt-get install the > whole > thing. Well I don't use Debian -- I like Mandriva and have been using it > since 2000, and

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Pavel Sanda
> On Monday 18 February 2008 18:26, Pavel Sanda wrote: > > > > --with-extra-prefix=/usr/lib/qt4 but change the path accordingly. > > > > > > I don't understand what you mean. > > > > where do you have libraries of qt4 now ? > > Depending on the meaning of the question, either /usr/lib/qt4 > or /u

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 18 February 2008 18:01, Pavel Sanda wrote: > > It shouldn't be this difficult to compile LyX. It wasn't this difficult a > > couple years ago. > > actually this should be the job of your distro maintainers, not lyx. I've been hearing a lot of that type of comment lately, and I think it'

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 18 February 2008 18:26, Pavel Sanda wrote: > > > --with-extra-prefix=/usr/lib/qt4 but change the path accordingly. > > > > I don't understand what you mean. > > where do you have libraries of qt4 now ? Depending on the meaning of the question, either /usr/lib/qt4 or /usr/lib/qt4/lib. S

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread cmiramon
JOHN CULLETON wrote: > While in the process of trying to add things like Qt4 to my Slack 12 > system I managed to mung my ability to send outgoing mail. I reinstalled > on a fresh partition but I still have problems. So among other things I am > giving up on Lyx. More to the point, I am giving up

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Richard heck
JOHN CULLETON wrote: While in the process of trying to add things like Qt4 to my Slack 12 system I managed to mung my ability to send outgoing mail. I reinstalled on a fresh partition but I still have problems. If so, then it wouldn't seem Qt4 (or any of these other things) are responsible. Yo

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Pavel Sanda
>If someone can cite a version of Lyx that runs without tears on the latest >stable version of Slack (12) then I may give it a try again. i see some slackware package for 1.4.4 in wiki. pavel

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread JOHN CULLETON
While in the process of trying to add things like Qt4 to my Slack 12 system I managed to mung my ability to send outgoing mail. I reinstalled on a fresh partition but I still have problems. So among other things I am giving up on Lyx. More to the point, I am giving up on recommending Lyx to TEX

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Pavel Sanda
> > --with-extra-prefix=/usr/lib/qt4 but change the path accordingly. > I don't understand what you mean. where do you have libraries of qt4 now ? pavel

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 18 February 2008 18:01, Pavel Sanda wrote: Hi Pavel, > if you havent install it globally you cant use I don't understand what you mean. What do I need to install globally to use it? How does one install it globally? > --with-extra-prefix=/usr/lib/qt4 but change the path accordingly.

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Pavel Sanda
> And it errors out like this: > > deps/Dialogs.Tpo -c Dialogs.cpp -o Dialogs.o > QAbout.h:24: error: ???Ui??? has not been declared > QAbout.h:24: error: expected `{' before ???QAboutUi??? > QAbout.h:24: error: invalid function declaration > make[7]: *** [Dialogs.lo] Error 1 > make[7]: Leaving di

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 18 February 2008 16:58, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > To answer your Subject line: > > xforms has not been maintained in around four years. > > Qt4 gives more possibility to use on non-Unix and even non-X11 systems. > > Qt4 has better support for internationalization and many other user > inter

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 18 February 2008 17:07, Rich Shepard wrote: > On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > > To answer your Subject line: > > > > xforms has not been maintained in around four years. > >And, it was plain ugly. :-) Better ugly than uncompileable. SteveT

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Feb 18, 2008 at 04:39:20PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Well, after 2 hours I got libqt4-devel loaded, and a 30 minute make ended > like > this: > > make all-recursive > make[6]: Entering directory `/home/slitt/junk/lyx-1.5.3/src/frontends/qt4' > Making all in ui > make[7]: E

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Jürgen Spitzmüller
Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > Qt4 has better support for internationalization and many other user > interface features. This lets LyX developers work on LyX specific > features. most notably, it had no support for unicode. The important and overdue switch to unicode in 1.5 would not have been possible

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Rich Shepard
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: To answer your Subject line: xforms has not been maintained in around four years. And, it was plain ugly. :-) Rich -- Richard B. Shepard, Ph.D. | IntegrityCredibility Applied Ecosystem Services, Inc.|

Re: Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Jeremy C. Reed
To answer your Subject line: xforms has not been maintained in around four years. Qt4 gives more possibility to use on non-Unix and even non-X11 systems. Qt4 has better support for internationalization and many other user interface features. This lets LyX developers work on LyX specific featur

Why oh why did you drop xforms?

2008-02-18 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Well, after 2 hours I got libqt4-devel loaded, and a 30 minute make ended like this: make all-recursive make[6]: Entering directory `/home/slitt/junk/lyx-1.5.3/src/frontends/qt4' Making all in ui make[7]: Entering directory `/home/slitt/junk/lyx-1.5.3/src/frontends/qt4/ui' /usr/lib/qt3/