the thing to set up.
At a minimum, if you need MySQL, install MariaDB.
If you need an actual database, consider whether SQLite will do, or
whether you need more power, in which case, install PostgreSQL.
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ot;fred").
There is no longer a gap between SQLite and PostgreSQL that MySQL could
fill nicely, as it had in the past. They overlap in the middle.
MySQL should not be used for new starts.
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olean forces scalar context,
and the scalar version of () is simply undef, which you've already listed.
Unless you also want to add (undef) or (0) or ("") to your list as well, which
are just as false, and for the same reason. :)
Yes, I know the third edition of the camel added t
>>>>> "Borys" == Borys Sobieski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Borys> I just checked it on Leopard Developer Preview Build 9A559 and it is
Borys> Perl Ver. 5.8.8
This post is likely to be a violation of your NDA, is it not?
Good luck getting your AD
>>>>> "(Randal" == (Randal L Schwartz) writes:
(Randal> No, you do that on your computer, *before* you upload. So the ISP
(Randal> doesn't care about it, because it's your machine. :)
Argh. Always read *all* the message before posting.
Ignore
ss of convincing them to install a module, is
Moisés> there anyway of doing it without a module?
No, you do that on your computer, *before* you upload. So the ISP
doesn't care about it, because it's your machine. :)
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David> removal breaks anything :-)
Even if you fix yours, CGI.pm will live on as a public example of
how twisted code can get over the years. :)
See the horrors of &self_or_default, but only when properly prepared
to flush your mind later.
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>>>>> "Ken" == Ken Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Ken> You want:
Ken> eval "$subroutine_name(\$hashref)";
Only if you also want "slow" and "dangerous'. See the other answers
in this thread for safer faster solutio
a fix for it.
Joseph> So we don't have the option of using psync.
I'm still using psync every day on Tiger. What are you saying?
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his
presumably also includes the extended-access lists which psync won't
handle.
Now to spend a few hours reverse engineering carbon-copy-cloner so
that I can ensure that I'm copying only the stuff that doesn't get
cleared on reboot anyway...
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>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Mark> Hi,
Mark> Sorry, I don't understand. What's my breakage? Should I not use "flock"?
You should use "flock", but properly. :)
google for "site:stonehenge.com
>>>>> "Mark" == Mark Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Mark> open (FILE, "> $pathtodatafile") || die ("Cannot open file");
Mark> flock (FILE, 2);
0wn3d!
That's your breakage.
Once in a blue mooon, you'll kill your entire d
my Cocoa program
that happens to have Perl for its wiring, I can't presume whether the
downloader has X86 or PPC needs. That is, it would make Perl-based
programs require two versions, while Objective C or Java programs be
fat binaries. That'd look "odd" in the marketplace.
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and I drool over CamelBones. I'll let you know if my drool is
appropriate after wednesday. It'll be interesting to see if the
comments in the room reflect the desire for Perl-wired Cocoa apps or
not.
In fact, the first thing I thought after hearing about the x86
annou
>>>>> "Rich" == Rich Morin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Rich> Would anyone be interested in attending a Perl BOF at WWDC? Is
Rich> there something like this already in the works?
There's certainly my "lunch" on wednesday which qualifies lo
chomp;
David> my @row = split(/:/, $_);
David> [EMAIL PROTECTED], ParseDate($row[3])]; # pass out an array of
the @row
David> and dates to compare
David> } @current_deals;
Just another sorting expert, :)
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## default is deny
ProxyVia On
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CacheSize 5
CacheGcInterval 4
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>>>>> "Tommy" == Tommy Nordgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Tommy> Are there any Graphical User Interface Tools that can set the
Tommy> executable bits in the file info on disk?
GNU Emacs is a GUI tool that...
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I suppose if you edit for only 15 minutes a day, you could afford
to learn only as much as a GUI editor will let you do. :)
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g, and integrates well with the command-line
Ian> perl - you can set a keyboard shortcut to run scripts & check their
Ian> syntax, and you can write filters and other scripts in perl. Pretty
Ian> sweet for a free product.
Again, if you keep pushing "free", I'm goi
it remote files with
Peter> TextWrangler/BBEdit.
And of course Emacs can do this as well. For a very long time. :)
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>>>>> "Chris" == Chris Nandor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Chris> And it handles all the same Perl stuff as its bigger sibling: syntax
Chris> coloring, running scripts, filters, debugging, viewing POD, etc.
Oh, just like Carbonized Emacs?
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an one and a half hours of your time
Ken> to write something better for your needs than BBEdit?
Hell, Emacs is Free. How long do you have to work to write an editor
better than emacs, making no money doing it? :-)
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cd'ed to /usr/bin, it's not gonna do much good.
The #! line does *not* look at PATH.
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Joseph> have any comments
Joseph> on why this stuff may be changing?
Unfortunately, symbolic links on an HFS+ filesystem always come back
with a mod-time of "now", so the timestamp is useless. psync seems
to have to always transfer every symbolic link every time.
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s. Hardcore
trailing edge adopters are still using Perl4 (which is also an even
number :).
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he not-really-topical noise.)
Well, according to the blding edge Perl 5.8.4-rc2 docs:
<http://search.cpan.org/~nwclark/perl-5.8.4-RC2/pod/perldata.pod#Slices>
it's still firmly in there. I suspect it won't ever go away. There's
slice notation already in Perl6.
>>>>> "Bohdan" == Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Last version of Tk I tried built out of the box.
Bohdan> Do you mean you downloaded this from CPAN or somewhere?
Yes: perl -MCPAN -e 'install "Tk"'
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Get over it, Rick. No, it's not.
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27; just because it is
Wiggins> commercial...
He can set up a web page, make sure google reads it, and send it to
the various OSX search engines. Just like any other commercial
product.
That there is not a *commercial* announce list for Perl OSX is not my
problem. Nor would I subscribe
ich works fine) is:
./Configure -des -Duseshrplib -Dusedevel -Uversiononly -Dprefix=/opt/perl/snap
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machine administrated by Ask (if I recall), on a domain owned by the
non-profit charitable TPF. You don't get to use someone else's
bullhorn to announce your product.
*That's* common sense.
I came here for technical discussions of open-source software related
to Perl on OSX. Not t
until one or
both of those entities have declared contrary ground rules, and
continue to object to such postings until being told otherwise by
someone with authority.
Without such a stand, we enter a slippery slope. It's the same reason
I permit *no* commercial postings to comp.lang.perl.an
the machines
owned and operated by the Perl Foundation and other volunteers".)
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familiar with
the ways and means of Internet Email Lists.
No commercial promotions. That's spam. It's unwanted.
But a concession for the 4-lines of a .sig block has always been
granted. Hence, my contact info.
Now, if I repeatedly posted null messages just so that my .sig
was in eve
verts. Seriously. No place for them here.
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Anyone gotten Tk::Zinc to build on OSX? It doesn't built for me...
no matter what options I give it, it wants to include "GL/mumble.h",
which I don't have anywhere.
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terature
on it (including a forthcoming book), and a very active support
community. If you don't choose TT, you lose that leverage. (I
could make the same argument for HTML::Mason as well.)
Please, carefully consider what you're giving up by starting from
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nique he would appreciate the info.
Huh? Works fine for me, but I'm using Perl5.8.0 instead.
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The rest is between them.
For clarification, the "this isn't acceptable" was Puneet's reposting
of my private mail to the list, not the fact that I sent a private
message. Correct?
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>>>>> "Puneet" == Puneet Kishor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Puneet> Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>>> "Puneet" == Puneet Kishor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>
Puneet> I was looking for m
rectory when you are building, or give an
explicit path with -o.
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ystem.
# Try removing the one you don't want to use and rebuild.
Ahh... and that's an obsolete fink package...
(rebuilding...)
And now it works fine.
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r Macintosh powerpc
Right. Where's the table that maps "6.4" into 10.2.4? Where?
At least that applescript call was documented. :)
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c.
Riccardo> Does anybody know where to find one?
I'm subscribed to the first three lists at
<http://www.omnigroup.com/developer/mailinglists/>, and they seem to
be fairly good and broadly served by experts. Flame wars erupt about
every two weeks, and the moderator is proactive.
-
>>>>> "Brad" == Brad Hughes writes:
Brad> Semi-off topic... What IRC client are people here using, and
Brad> which IRC servers do perl folk inhabit?
irc.el :) (IRC inside gnu emacs)
and #perl on rhizo
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Maintainer: Max Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[localhost:~] merlyn%
So, I have 2.4.30 working just fine.
Fink Rules. Get Fink.
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n stuff like that.
Like when I walk in to a movie theatre, I always pick the furthest
door, figuring that my ease of finding a decent seat near the aisle
that's less chosen is more likely.
Most people seem lazy. That's good for Perl. :)
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hey either specify a -o
explictly, or so that they expect the .o in the current directory
(which breaks it for non-darwin, I suspect :).
I'm cc'ing the Perl-on-OSX list so that others can be aware as things
are being tested on and ported to OSX.
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;after-market" observations of the data.
DO NOT EDIT Config.pm
Rebuild Perl instead. It's Free. It's Easy.
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>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Randal> Now here's the kicker. To install PerlMagick, you CANNOT INSTALL IT
Randal> FROM THE CPAN. I don't even know why they bother putting it there.
Randal> It's just con
.n.n-n.tar.gz; cd Image*"
6) "perl Makefile.PL; make all install"
7) "cd; rm -rf Build"
There. Works for me, nearly every time. :)
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t the "cpan_home" option
Sherm> this way, it always reverts back to the old value the next time I run
Sherm> cpan - I don't know why.
Because it's supposed to work that way. If you want to make them
permanent, "o conf commit".
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ier with
use Data::Dumper;
use HTML::Entities qw(encode_entities);
...
print "".encode_entities(Dumper($HoHoHo))."";
Unless you happen to be blessed with no less-thans or ampersands in
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use he wanted to (and not getting credit
Bradley> otherwise), and the heros of the book happened upon it. Hard to
Bradley> explain, read the books by Douglas Adams and wave your towel.
Explained better than I could. Thanks!
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else a little messed up?
That is *all* one line, you know.
Here's what "the result" shows for me when I run this:
set output_file to (path to temporary items folder as string) &
"fetch_headlines.html"
output_file
in the AS editor:
"Randal800:priva
t's not my impression at all. I don't retain copyright for
any of the 150+ articles I've written, nor any of the books I've
done for O'Reilly. And yet my name is on all of them.
A "work-for-hire" means it's not yours anymore. It's up to the contract
to decide
ays of getting our signatures in the book somehow. One time,
I stuck it in the ASCII values of a string that appears only in hex,
for example.
And as we saw in this thread, the phrase "I nearly always start my
programs with these lines" was enough to give me away on this one.
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don't forget my other articles at
http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/UnixReview/
and
http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/LinuxMag/
The biggest challenge I face each month is "what haven't I written about
ALREADY in 150 columns?&qu
ors.
Ken> Are the articles in this series (like Morbus' previous one on
Ken> installing 5.8.0) generally written by outside people?
Dunno. I know mine was written by me. :)
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./Configure -des -Dusedevel -Uversiononly -Dprefix=/opt/perl/snap
-Dccflags=-I/sw/include -Dldflags=-L/sw/lib [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And this nicely puts everything in /opt/perl/snap/{bin,lib,man}/*.
Note the extra dirs for /sw: that's so I pick up things from fink.
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arles> to keep them clear by their titles.
Oooh. S3kr3t Mag1c instructions! Where is this documented?
That's part of what frustrates me the most about OSX. It's like
OS9... people pass around folklore instead of being able to just say
"man foo" as on "real unix"
n't recall
that being the case before.
So, now I guess I'll order Restrospect 5 and hope it gets here
quickly, since I'm supposed to be on my new laptop by the weekend. :(
And I hope *that* works.
Just sign me "frustrated",
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resource forks.
At least, in my testing, it looked like "ditto" *always* copies, wasting
a lot of time if mirroring to an existing archive.
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gt; since gnutar doesn't know from resource forks:
Adam> find [targetdir] \( -type f -and -exec test -s
Adam> \{\}\/..namedfork\/rsrc \; \) -print
That's expensive. How about (since this *is* the Perl on OSX list):
find2perl /Dir -eval '-f and -s "$_/..namedfork/rsrc&q
ssing something, though.
psync doesn't do what is recommended in "Carbon Copy Cloner". See
http://www.bombich.com/mactips/image.html for the details. I don't
see anything in psync that does all the exceptions noted there.
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it, since rsync is gnu, I believe.
And, how dare they install third-party stuff into /usr/bin! Evil.
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a clone of my disk that I could clone once more and still end up
with a system as identical as possible to the original disk. Oh,
and not copy EVERY ONE of the 40G of files everytime I want to backup.
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at works like "Retrospect Duplicate", but
understands the weird-ass links that OSX has and needs!
What are the rest of you doing? Is anyone even backing anything up?
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>>>>> "Iudicium" == Iudicium Ferat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Iudicium> On Friday, June 21, 2002, at 08:10 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>>
>> Yes, bleedperl for me worked, even with the latest Apache and mod_perl.
>>
Iudicium> Even wi
n OS X). It's a lot better than 5.6.1,
Chris> you don't have to do anything special.
Yes, bleedperl for me worked, even with the latest Apache and mod_perl.
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still using UFS for slash. Adobe products (so called "carbonized"
latest releases of things like Illustrator and so on) won't install.
Durn. Stupid Adobe. "Compatible with OSX" on the box, but it isn't.
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No, it tries to "make" a file named "install", but there's already one,
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r" to open application
file id "CWIE"');
Maybe I don't quite understand AppleScript entirely yet,
but isn't that the same as:
system "osascript", "-e", 'tell application file id "CWIE" to open';
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Gah. That's about four levels too deep. Maybe that was a joke. If not,
this is simpler:
my $path = `osascript -e 'tell application "Finder" to get name of application file id
"CWIE"'`;
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time it compiled. (I won't tell you how many tries I had to do to get
it to compile. :)
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oal for Learning Perl has always been "how do you spend your
first 40 hours with Perl (provided you already program some other
algorithmic language)?".
It matches what we teach in class, so we're pretty confident about
amount and pace.
Now, the next step would be to write a book th
>>>>> "Bill" == Bill -Sx- Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Bill> Merlyn, you must have thought they were 'enjoyable' as well, once upon a
Bill> time...
Yes, and seeing the damage that is done, I've since repented. I now
sell code review
job done with Perl and
help others do the same. You are *not* an outsider because you do not
know how to *abuse* the language. That line of code is language abuse!
Just say *no* to Perl Golf and ObfuPerl and JAPHs. Please!
{sigh}
Just another guy who is sorry he started the whole JAPH thing,
$data, " replaced!\n";
Tim> }else{
Tim> print $data, " failed to replace.\n";
Tim> }
Ewww... If you're already matching, then just *do* the replace:
if ($data =~ s/$match/$3-$1-$2 $4:$5:$6/) {
print "Fixed! $data\n";
} else {
print "$data
ing I did when I got OSX was switch to zsh.
It's one of the many annoying csh features, of which tcsh is a
derivative.
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n Opera yet handles multilingual text correctly. It even filters
Dan> ads!).
Hey, I use iCab too!
I think the problem is that it accepts a \n from the clipboard
as data even in a textfield (not textarea), and thus the form
data is corrupted in an unexpected way.
Agreed, that the PAUSE scrip
instead of libapreq.a).
Beware. When I made mod_perl a .so, and then loaded that, I could not
load any other .so's from there, making all XS modules fail. So
having an .so call an .so might not work.
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so that it doesn't need a .ph file.
That's really not going to work as time goes on.
That's why we have h2xs now. See how Errno.xs is built from errno.h
for example.
As a quick-n-dirty... just figure out what it wanted and create those
subroutines by hand. There's only abo
rn but all tests passed (I consider these warning too much because
Dan> they all trap 'use 5.6.0;').
Are you testing on UFS or HFS+? I'm on UFS. It also leaves behind a
"dummy" file that is locked, that I couldn't figure out how to unlock
using your tools (pset
that. :)
Anything that still says require "sys/socket.ph" needs to be retired.
Actually, that can usually be replaced by "use Socket".
Actually, that can usually be edited to use IO::Socket::INet.
Actually, that can usually be rewritten to use Net::* instead.
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I ran the tests as merlyn, with merlyn owning the build tree.
What more permission is needed?
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3/5 test scripts, 40.00% okay. 8/29 subtests failed, 72.41% okay.
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it had decided that GDBM
wasn't available, you simply couldn't use it, even if you tried to
take the portion of the distro for GDBM and manually compile/install
it later. You had to re-./configure and build the entire distro
again.
That may have been fixed, but I'm still suspicious
GE/VERSION/bin/* to /usr/local/bin
so that I can invoke the commands, though.
This works great. I'm getting Apache::Template to work (which
installs new config directives) and the whole shebang. Cool cool.
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<
$h - 1, $w - 1, $border
* 2, $border));
=74= $background->Draw(primitive => 'matte', points => '0,0',
meth => 'replace');
=75=
=76= ## and put the text on the button
=77= $background->Composite(image => $label);
=78=
=79= ## render it
=80= $background->Set(magick => 'gif');
=81= $image = $background->ImageToBlob;
=82= $cache->set($key, $image);
=83=}
=84=
=85=print "Content-type: image/gif\n\n$image";
=86=
=87=@times = map { $_ - shift @times } time, times;
=88=printf STDERR "buttonmaker: real=%d user=%.2f sys=%.2f\n",
@times;
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-I/X11',
+'INC' => '-I../ -I.. -I/sw/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/inc
lude/freetype2 -D_REENTRANT -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/local/include -I/X11',
($Config{'archname'} =~ /-object$/i ? ('CAPI' => 'TRUE') : ()),
);
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as root.
This apparently is the case with all setuid root applications... Not
good
heh heh. Apple hasn't learned what "fork" does. :)
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Here's the note I just posted to the osx-admin list...
>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Randal> I can't be the first person to want an incremental disk-level catastrophy
Randal> recovery backup solution under OSX.
I have the desktop
one. That's $299-ish more money than I've spent.
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file" on a UFS. Is there other data that /rsrc doesn't
carry? If so, is there a format description for the ._ file and how
it differs from /rsrc, and how I would get at that from the Unix API?
And yes, this still applies to Perl, because I wanna write the Perl
utility to copy HFS+ files. :)
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>>>>> "John" == John Siracusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> Well, if you could write an XS module that hooks into the same
John> APIs that the Finder is using... :)
Has anyone tried Inline::C on OSX yet?
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