It's a good theory. Unfortunately I've never been able to get the trackpad to
co-operate personally. I can mute speech and turn on the screen curtan, but
thats about the extent of it.
I'll go back and take another crack at it eventually, and another and another
if needed, but it hasn't come
Hi,
True enough, though that'd be the same as auto-forms mode. You'd still have
to get System Access out of the form to navigate.
But in SA this is just an arrow key or tab.
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Hi,
I use VoiceOver the most, and I'm way more efficient using VoiceOver now. I
found that, if you were loading absolutely massive webpages, JAWS/Window Eyes
first had to load all the contents into their virtual buffer before you could
do as much as navigate. I personally see that as a huge
Hi,
i don't understand. web spots are something you set yourself. When your on
the position you want to set as a web spot press control, option, command,
shift, and right bracket. Auto web spots are the things that show up in the
rotor. You can go through these without opening the rotor by
I started my current Mac experience by borrowing a Mac Mini from a vendor who
sold assistive technology for Windows. I wanted to prove that what they said
about the mac was wrong, that they couldn't use it effectively as blind folks.
I dumped my old pc and started use the Mac full time from the
Ah, let me assure you I take nothing personally because as I have said,
whatever works for you is all that matters. My point to you is simply that the
functionality does exist and you may have more keys to work with. We both agree
nothing is perfect and to be honest I think there is one other
I would also point out that if you use the Web Spot feature, it is quite
accurate indeed. I have a sweet spot set for a number of locations on the
banking website I use and it surely is the greatest thing for making navigation
of a site efficient. I have it setup so as soon as the page loads,
Hi,
I use web spots, but always auto web spots. I never set my own. And that's
because The VoiceOver is always right. It's outsmarted me on many occasions.
That may not be very hard to do, but VoiceOver is doing a fantastic job of it.
Oh, and I sometimes use the sweet spot. At first, I thought
See you learn something new every day, even this old grumpy man. Have to
redefine keyboard shortcuts though, i can't use existing ones due to the
keyboard layout of a swedish keyboard. This isn't VOs fault though.
/Krister
12 feb 2010 kl. 12.00 skrev Scott Howell:
I would also point out that
Hi,
I wish I could redefine default keyboard commands. Like VO-Backslash.
Impossible to do on a Danish keyboard, as you need Option for backslash. Oh,
and I wish my bank site was accessible. It is on Windows for the most part, but
VO doesn't like it and the site recommends that I use Safari.
Hi,
I mean Firefox. Oops.
Regards,
Nic
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On Feb 12, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
Hi,
I wish I could redefine default keyboard commands. Like VO-Backslash.
Hi Nic,
Have you tried using the Develop menu in Safari to try to trick the site into
thinking that you are using FireFox? I think you can find the checkbox for this
menu under the Advanced settings.
TC
James, Lyn, Nash Twinny
On 12 Feb 2010, at 11:47, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
Hi,
I mean
Hi,
I'll definitely give that a try. I'll let you know. I forgot about the spoof
feature.
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On Feb 12, 2010, at 1:11 PM, James Nash wrote:
Hi Nic,
Have you
Hi,
Could you tell me how to set a sweet spot?
On Feb 12, 2010, at 6:32 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
Hi,
I use web spots, but always auto web spots. I never set my own. And that's
because The VoiceOver is always right. It's outsmarted me on many occasions.
That may not be very hard to do,
Hi,
Man, that didn't work with making it think it's Firefox.
To set the sweet spot, you have to press VO-Command-}}. Unfortunately, this is
another command you can't do on Danish keyboards at least without changing the
layout.
Regards,
Nic
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Hi Nic,
I'm sorry to hear that it didn't work. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work.
You could also try turning off images and using DOM mode for that particular
page. Perhaps that will work.
TC
James, Lyn, Nash Twinny
On 12 Feb 2010, at 12:32, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
Hi,
Man, that
I must admit that one reason I use the rotor so much is that I am not a
classical pianist like Iggy so some of the keystrokes are a bit hard for this
old nerd.
cdh
On Feb 11, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Hi Scott,
I'm not Linda, but I had to respond to your note to her re the
What about control option shift C? This will copy the last thing voice over
said to the clip board. It's pretty much the only way I copy things off web
pages, unless the pages them selves are poorly designed.
It works like this.
Hear something that you want to rip off the page like a phone
That's interesting. I was under the impression that ardic had invented the
idea of the virtual buffer system. at least, I saw it in winvision first, and
remember the manual was pretty excited about it.
Best,
erik burggraaf
A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
Phone:
Hello Aman,
Several years ago, windows screen readers introduced table navigation into the
windows browsing experience. Actually it was a lot of years ago now that I
come to think of it.
We could use my live music trading site http://livemusic.erik-burggraaf.com as
an example. If you go to
Hi Mary, Have you tried cutting out a bunch of those intensive keys by
pressing control option semicolon to lock the vo keys? This is a minor
inconvenience but usefull for prolonged periods of browsing.
Best,
erik burggraaf
A+ certified technician and user support consultant.
Phone:
Hi,
Yeah, I know about the keyboard commander. I'd prefer to be able to replace the
current keystroke, which is really what I want and not have two keystrokes for
the same function. Not that it matters much, but I like not having things
cluttered so I can free up space for other commands.
Hi,
What I do when I want to copy off large amounts of text from web
pages, or read items that VoiceOver won't read in Safari (because the
text is in non-Roman characters -- for example, mixed Cyrillic script
for Russian, or Greek characters used in an equation) is use a
keyboard
Hi Eric,
I've mostly been using a combo of the quick nav and the keypad to avoid using
the many-key keystrokes. But the heading one is one that, for some reason, I
keep using the multi-keys. Maybe its a function of too many choices. smile
Mary
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Hello. You have some good points, but I just want to point out something. You
said that windows screen readers can use hot keys to move around the web page
because there is a forms mode. I just want to point out that System Access
uses hot keys such as e to go to an edit box, but there is no
Hi,
True enough, though that'd be the same as auto-forms mode. You'd still have to
get System Access out of the form to navigate.
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On Feb 12, 2010, at 8:44 PM,
I'd first like to encourage a calmer tone in this thread if I might. smile
-If people are upset or worried about having switched, then that's fine.
They're entitled to their feelings as we all are.
Okay, *off my moderatrix soap box now* lol!
Let me also suggest that one can use track
Indeed, trackpad navigation using trackpad commander is the fastest navigation
method I think I've ever tried. If i might add, also going through the tutorial
a few times may help one to remember features as well. Just hang in there and
be patient, it'll get more comfortable, and one can always
Oh I would so love to have an alternative to Safari! I'm a fairly recent
switcher and I don't miss Windows at all except that I totally and absolutely
miss the great accessibility I had with IE. I hate the fact that I can't read
line by line or copy web page text to the clipboard and he
With last year's lay offs at IBM and last week's lay offs at Sun, the future of
large scale accessibility projects in free/open source software looks pretty
disorganized at the moment. Marco (with whom I used to work at Freedom
Scientific) is really dedicated but the overwhelmingly large
On 2010-02-11, at 7:48 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
I think you need to take some additional time to learn how best to
use Safari with VOiceOver. I've been using the Mac for five years
now and although like any browser and screen reader, Safari and VO
has issues, but certainly not to the
Hello,
I've been a Mac user for almost 2 years, and I personally don't find the web
browsing experience on my Mac using Safari with voiceover to be on par with
that of internet explorer and Jaws. For example, Look at the steps you
explained to highlight and copy text If you interact with
I would love to help, but I am only just getting into programming. BTW, I tried
to get in touch with Will Walker to pass on how sorry I was regarding his job
loss and to find out what the current state of Orca was on Linux. This is
indeed very disturbing and more than a little annoying.
Just
Hi,
Can sighted users use just the arrow keys with the shift keys to highlight
text?
Thanks
TC
James, Lyn, Nash Twinny
On 11 Feb 2010, at 13:58, Ricardo Walker wrote:
Hello,
I've been a Mac user for almost 2 years, and I personally don't find the web
browsing experience on my Mac
I'm assuming you mean is it possible to highlight text on the web using shift
and the arrows with voiceover off? I have no idea lol. I assume sighted
people would just use the mouse to highlight selections.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:19 AM, James Nash wrote:
Hi,
Can sighted users use just the
Hi,
I was VP of Software Engineering at FS when we invented a lot of what is now
the common user interface on Windows screen readers. I am proud of the work we
did as we certainly moved the art forward.
Now, I use Macintosh with Safari. The Windows way of doing things tried to
emulate a word
No, shift plus arrows does nothing for sighted users. Of course, they cannot
use the rotor, item chooser or lots of things that VoiceOver provides for us
blinks. The web browsing experience is very different for people with vision
impairment than sighted users so trying to come up with some
I'm in touch with both Willy and Mike and I'll pass on your regards.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:17 AM, James Nash wrote:
I would love to help, but I am only just getting into programming. BTW, I
tried to get in touch with Will Walker to pass on how sorry I was regarding
his job loss and to find
Hello James,
Sighted users of Safari usually have to click and drag to highlight text on a
web page. However, if you want to highlight some text and shift plus arrows
won't work with VO, try navigating to the item to the left of the text, routing
the mouse to it, then double-clicking with the
On Feb 11, 2010, at 8:19 AM, James Nash wrote:
Hi,
Can sighted users use just the arrow keys with the shift keys to highlight
text?
I have some vision and did try the above with zoom on. It won't do it with all
text, I think it only does it on text that is not a header, and also you do
Hi, CDH.
It is very good to see you here. As usual, one of your messages has
gotten me to think. You say:
Now, I use Macintosh with Safari. The Windows way of doing things
tried to emulate a word processor or some other similar text
manipulation application
with which a user would already be
Hi Anne,
Thanks for this.
TC
James, Lyn, Nash Twinny
On 11 Feb 2010, at 14:46, Anne Robertson wrote:
Hello James,
Sighted users of Safari usually have to click and drag to highlight text on a
web page. However, if you want to highlight some text and shift plus arrows
won't work with
I beg to differ with the below, shift + arrows does work to highlight text
after you selected one word. The text can not be a header though for some
reason, at least that how it worked on Apple's Ipod touch site when I tried it.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Chris Hofstader wrote:
No, shift
HI:
I still use the good old item chooser. I can still hit vo/i and type the word
of interest, then use the arrow keys to view the hits. I then use vo/a to read
the contents. I really don't like the web item rotor. Vo/h takes you to
headings, and my tab key seems to go through the links.
I've got to admit that I really miss the hot keys in JAWS such as c to jump to
combo boxes, b for buttons, h for headers, and the like. I also miss the way
it handles radio buttons.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 6:46 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
Hi Chris,
Yup. I use Safari way more than I do I.E.
Ok, and we need to know all of this for what reason?
Carolyn
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From: Chris Hofstader
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: Blog post: First Glance at Firefox Accessibility on OS X Snow
Leopard
Hello. You can hit control+option+command+h to jump forward through the
headings and control+option+shift+command+h to go backward through the
headings. You can also hit control+option+command+j to jump to the next
element on a web page.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:20 PM, carlene knight wrote:
I've written a whole lot about the importance of context in the blog and
elsewhere. I'm really tired this afternoon so I'll get back to you with
something coherent tomorrow.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 9:58 AM, Aman Singer wrote:
Hi, CDH.
It is very good to see you here. As usual, one of your
The arrow keys in conjunction with the rotor provide similar functionality but
with the luxury of selecting a specific one from the rotor dialogue itself.
On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:20 PM, carlene knight wrote:
I've got to admit that I really miss the hot keys in JAWS such as c to jump
to combo
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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blog post: First Glance at Firefox Accessibility on OS X
Snow Leopard
I've got to admit that I really miss the hot keys in JAWS such as c to
jump to combo boxes, b for buttons, h for headers, and the like. I also
miss the way
So Linda, what is the difference between holding down a couple extra keys? I
have to use Window-Eyes at work since I have to use windows and WE offers the
same command set. The only difference is pressing h and h with three other keys
that can easily be done with one hand. Not sure how you
Hi Scott,
I'm not Linda, but I had to respond to your note to her re the differences
between moving around on a page among elements with Window Eyes or Jaws and
Voice Over. You said that you didn't see much difference between pressing h by
itself or pressing 3 additional keys in addition to h
Mary,
What I was pointing out is that jumping from heading to heading may not be as
simple as just pressing h, but the functionality still exists, even if you have
to hold some additional keys down. In the end you use what works best for you.
YOu say browsing using IE on windows is more
I think that Linda and I can switch knowing that we have more reliable and
faster computers and are able to do things pretty much as we would like, but no
OS or software is perfect, and though we chose to move to OSX, it doesn't mean
that we won't miss anything in JAWS. I didn't mean to cast a
Hi Aman, just let me echo your sentiments to Chris back at ya! smile nice
to see you here!
You asked about context, and its importance; Let me just comment that there
have been many situations on the web in particular, where context itself has
greatly assisted me. In particular, this has
Hello,
If I may, I would like to point out that all navigation through elements on a
web page can be done with one hand and you don't need to remember a lot of
keys. When in dom. mode, press the left and right arrows at the same time to
enter quick nav mode. Now, press the left-up or
Yes, I realize that quicknav is one of those very useful additions to VO in
Snow Leopard. I would add, however, that the rotor with quicknav is not as fast
as simply typing a mnemonic to immediately get you to the form element or other
control you want. You have to cycle through the rotor to
Good morning,
This morning I posted a new blog article on my site: First Glance at
Firefox Accessibility on OS X Snow Leopard, which can be accessed at http://tinyurl.com/ygkfqoj
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Looking forward to trying out Firefox with VO working someday. FF has
really good ARIA support so it would be nice to have a browser on the
Mac that works well with this standard. Safari currently is weak.
CB
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This morning I posted a new blog article on my
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