Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Luca Berra a écrit : On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 09:46:21PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Thinking of PLF, "MLF" comes to mind but that abbreviation has another well-known meaning. :) "pisc" (patented in some countries) is another what i particulary like about the plf name is the "liberation" wor

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 09:46:21PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: Thinking of PLF, "MLF" comes to mind but that abbreviation has another well-known meaning. :) "pisc" (patented in some countries) is another what i particulary like about the plf name is the "liberation" word, which has a clear po

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010/12/8 Mika Laitio > > > > 'Grayzone' ? > > > > > > Mr. Dorian Gray's zone? Or a foggy grey zone? > > > (SCNR!) > > > > > > Hmm, "foggy" sounds nice :) > > > Or Foggy Bottom :) > > > > > Better than "tainted" :D > > I like from tainted as that term is already somehow known, > > Another alterna

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

> > > 'Grayzone' ? > > > > Mr. Dorian Gray's zone? Or a foggy grey zone? > > (SCNR!) > > > > Hmm, "foggy" sounds nice :) > > Or Foggy Bottom :) > > > Better than "tainted" :D I like from tainted as that term is already somehow known, Another alternative that came to my mind would be "challeng

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Michael Scherer wrote: > Le mardi 07 décembre 2010 à 00:10 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : > >> I find it strange that the most heavy threads here are naming issues... > > http://bikeshed.com/ ? > > -- > Michael Scherer > > " ... a metaphor indicating that you nee

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Le mardi 07 décembre 2010 à 00:10 +0100, Maarten Vanraes a écrit : > I find it strange that the most heavy threads here are naming issues... http://bikeshed.com/ ? -- Michael Scherer

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Op dinsdag 07 december 2010 00:15:54 schreef Hoyt Duff: > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Maarten Vanraes > > wrote: > > I find it strange that the most heavy threads here are naming issues... > > All the arguments of substance have been settled? You're a funny guy... but don't quit your dayjo

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote: > > I find it strange that the most heavy threads here are naming issues... > All the arguments of substance have been settled? -- Hoyt

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Op dinsdag 07 december 2010 00:06:06 schreef Anssi Hannula: > On 07.12.2010 00:30, Nex6 wrote: > > On 12/6/2010 2:13 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote: > >> Op maandag 06 december 2010 22:57:23 schreef Hoyt Duff: > >>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maarten Vanraes > >>> > >>> wrote: > no negative

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On 07.12.2010 00:30, Nex6 wrote: > On 12/6/2010 2:13 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote: >> Op maandag 06 december 2010 22:57:23 schreef Hoyt Duff: >>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maarten Vanraes >>> >>> wrote: no negative meaning??? Paris Hilton anyone??? afaik any word has n

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On 12/6/2010 2:13 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote: Op maandag 06 december 2010 22:57:23 schreef Hoyt Duff: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote: no negative meaning??? Paris Hilton anyone??? afaik any word has negative meaning... Snooki makes her look like a nun. http://en.wi

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Op maandag 06 december 2010 22:57:23 schreef Hoyt Duff: > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maarten Vanraes > > wrote: > > no negative meaning??? > > > > Paris Hilton anyone??? > > > > afaik any word has negative meaning... > > Snooki makes her look like a nun. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote: > no negative meaning??? > > Paris Hilton anyone??? > > afaik any word has negative meaning... > Snooki makes her look like a nun. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Polizzi -- Hoyt

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Maarten Vanraes wrote: > Op maandag 06 december 2010 16:30:00 schreef Hoyt Duff: > >> Again, a good argument for a name with no conflicts and no negative >> meanings: "paris". >> > no negative meaning??? > > Paris Hilton anyone??? > Hoyt is obviously not a subscriber to "The Reg" :-)

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Op maandag 06 december 2010 16:30:00 schreef Hoyt Duff: > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Michael Scherer wrote: > > And that's not the question, this is a basic usability issue, if a > > rather important portion of the users associate a word with something, > > this sound sane to no reuse the sam

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Michael Scherer wrote: > And that's not the question, this is a basic usability issue, if a > rather important portion of the users associate a word with something, > this sound sane to no reuse the same word to hold a different meaning in > a very similar context,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Le lundi 06 décembre 2010 à 13:10 +0100, Daniel Kreuter a écrit : > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: > > > > > Because Ubuntu already has a repo called "universal"? that's a similar > > reason to why it wasn't called "restricted", because restricted is > > used by distros that of

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On 06.12.2010 14:10, Daniel Kreuter wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ahmad Samir > wrote: > > > Because Ubuntu already has a repo called "universal"? that's a similar > reason to why it wasn't called "restricted", because restricted is >

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: > > Because Ubuntu already has a repo called "universal"? that's a similar > reason to why it wasn't called "restricted", because restricted is > used by distros that offer a commercial repo as in "pay to use some > more stuff". > > -- > Ahmad Sam

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On 6 December 2010 12:37, Daniel Kreuter wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Ahmad Samir > wrote: >> >> On 6 December 2010 09:29, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. wrote: >> > With regard to the naming of the repository dediocated to software >> > tainted >> > with a patent, etc., How about "non-GP

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote: > On 6 December 2010 09:29, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. wrote: > > With regard to the naming of the repository dediocated to software > tainted > > with a patent, etc., How about "non-GPL"? I think that such a name should > be > > well understood by us

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On 6 December 2010 09:29, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. wrote: > With regard to the naming of the repository dediocated to software tainted > with a patent, etc., How about "non-GPL"? I think that such a name should be > well understood by users of nearly any language, particularly if they are > familiar w

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 00:02:21 -0500, andre999 wrote: Maarten Vanraes a écrit : i like speculative That's not bad I would prefer a very clear term, even if long, such as possibly-patented. Regards, Dave Hodgins

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op zaterdag 04 december 2010 21:32:51 schreef andre999: Dale Huckeby a écrit : On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote: John a écrit : On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100 Maarten Vanraes wrote: Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir: [...] The kernel

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Dale Huckeby a écrit : On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Maarten Vanraes wrote: the english language is pretty rich; and i suspect there are quite a few words that could convey the correct meaning without the word being too difficult. otoh, there is also the fact that "free" or "core" don't really convey t

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote: >> >> Perhaps we need an unrelated word that has meaning to Mageia, but >> infers uniqueness without being pejorative. >> >> I suggest calling it the "paris" repository, a place for unique and >> useful applications that cannot be placed in a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 17:39:08 -0600 (CST), Dale Huckeby wrote: > On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Maarten Vanraes wrote: > >> the english language is pretty rich; and i suspect there are quite a few >> words >> that could convey the correct meaning without the word being too difficult. >> >> otoh, there is als

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Maarten Vanraes wrote: the english language is pretty rich; and i suspect there are quite a few words that could convey the correct meaning without the word being too difficult. otoh, there is also the fact that "free" or "core" don't really convey the correct meaning at all

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Op zondag 05 december 2010 21:50:00 schreef Erin Wilkins: > On December 5, 2010 10:59:45 Maarten Vanraes wrote: > > Op zaterdag 04 december 2010 20:58:12 schreef Erin Wilkins: > > > Since the packages in that repository are there because they're > > > (potentially) encumbered by patents, why not ca

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Op zondag 05 december 2010 20:49:55 schreef Hoyt Duff: > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Maarten Vanraes > > wrote: > >> Since the packages in that repository are there because they're > >> (potentially) encumbered by patents, why not call it for what it is, > >> "encumbered"? > >> > >> -- > >>

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On December 5, 2010 10:59:45 Maarten Vanraes wrote: > Op zaterdag 04 december 2010 20:58:12 schreef Erin Wilkins: > > Since the packages in that repository are there because they're > > (potentially) encumbered by patents, why not call it for what it is, > > "encumbered"? > > > > -- > > Erin > >

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Giving names we have to keep the structure in mind which was "developped" during this thread. Now we are talking about a name for that repo which never existed in Mandriva, so Mandriva never had to worry about the correct naming. How about abbreviations? Thinking of PLF, "MLF" comes to mind but t

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On 05.12.2010 21:47, Daniel Kreuter wrote: > > > On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Anssi Hannula > wrote: > > On 05.12.2010 19:36, Daniel Kreuter wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 > >

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Maarten Vanraes wrote: >> Since the packages in that repository are there because they're >> (potentially) encumbered by patents, why not call it for what it is, >> "encumbered"? >> >> -- >> Erin > > > too difficult > I suppose that's why nobody liked "supernumera

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Anssi Hannula wrote: > On 05.12.2010 19:36, Daniel Kreuter wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 > > wrote: > > > > Dale Huckeby a écrit : > > > > On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote: > > > >

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On 05.12.2010 19:36, Daniel Kreuter wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 > wrote: > > Dale Huckeby a écrit : > > On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote: > > John a écrit : > > > On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Op zaterdag 04 december 2010 20:58:12 schreef Erin Wilkins: > On December 4, 2010 10:06:37 Anssi Hannula wrote: > > On 03.12.2010 11:45, Ahmad Samir wrote: > > > On 2 December 2010 18:43, Michael Scherer wrote: > > >> Le jeudi 02 décembre 2010 à 16:26 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : > > >>> 2010

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Op zaterdag 04 december 2010 21:32:51 schreef andre999: > Dale Huckeby a écrit : > > On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote: > >> John a écrit : > >>> On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100 > >>> > >>> Maarten Vanraes wrote: > Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir: > [...] > >>

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Op zaterdag 04 december 2010 15:40:58 schreef Hoyt Duff: > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 4:33 AM, andre999 wrote: > > Better than "tainted" :D > > "Tainted" makes me chuckle -- crude anatomical reference. I don't get that one...

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:32 PM, andre999 wrote: > Dale Huckeby a écrit : > >> On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote: >> >> John a écrit : >>> On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100 Maarten Vanraes wrote: Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir: > [...]

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Dale Huckeby a écrit : On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote: John a écrit : On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100 Maarten Vanraes wrote: Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir: [...] The kernel uses the word "tainted" when it detects the nvidia proprietary module for example, (

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On December 4, 2010 10:06:37 Anssi Hannula wrote: > On 03.12.2010 11:45, Ahmad Samir wrote: > > On 2 December 2010 18:43, Michael Scherer wrote: > >> Le jeudi 02 décembre 2010 à 16:26 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : > >>> 2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula : > For the record, I'm not a big fan of "tai

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On 03.12.2010 11:45, Ahmad Samir wrote: > On 2 December 2010 18:43, Michael Scherer wrote: >> Le jeudi 02 décembre 2010 à 16:26 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : >>> 2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula : For the record, I'm not a big fan of "tainted" name (too negative), but I can't think of an

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Sat, 4 Dec 2010, andre999 wrote: John a écrit : On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100 Maarten Vanraes wrote: Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir: [...] The kernel uses the word "tainted" when it detects the nvidia proprietary module for example, (which admittedly gave me

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 4:33 AM, andre999 wrote: > Better than "tainted" :D > "Tainted" makes me chuckle -- crude anatomical reference. -- Hoyt

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2010/12/3 John: 'Grayzone' ? Mr. Dorian Gray's zone? Or a foggy grey zone? (SCNR!) Hmm, "foggy" sounds nice :) Or Foggy Bottom :) Better than "tainted" :D

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

John a écrit : On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100 Maarten Vanraes wrote: Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir: [...] The kernel uses the word "tainted" when it detects the nvidia proprietary module for example, (which admittedly gave me a bit of shock the first time I saw i

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 18:58:15 schreef herman: > On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 03:28 -0700, Maarten Vanraes wrote: > > how about "gray" or "grey" ? > > No, the Speling Nazi's will drive us nuts... For this, it is no problem, because they are both correct! :-P

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010/12/3 John : > > 'Grayzone' ? Mr. Dorian Gray's zone? Or a foggy grey zone? (SCNR!) Hmm, "foggy" sounds nice :) Or Foggy Bottom :) -- wobo

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:28:26 +0100 Maarten Vanraes wrote: > Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir: > [...] > > The kernel uses the word "tainted" when it detects the nvidia > > proprietary module for example, (which admittedly gave me a bit of > > shock the first time I saw it :)

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 03:28 -0700, Maarten Vanraes wrote: > how about "gray" or "grey" ? No, the Speling Nazi's will drive us nuts...

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Op vrijdag 03 december 2010 10:45:05 schreef Ahmad Samir: [...] > The kernel uses the word "tainted" when it detects the nvidia > proprietary module for example, (which admittedly gave me a bit of > shock the first time I saw it :)). Heh, i had the same reaction. > From all the proposed names, I

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On 2 December 2010 18:43, Michael Scherer wrote: > Le jeudi 02 décembre 2010 à 16:26 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : >> 2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula : >> > >> > For the record, I'm not a big fan of "tainted" name (too negative), but >> > I can't think of anything better either, so... :) >> >> I agree

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op donderdag 02 december 2010 08:20:15 schreef andre999: Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op woensdag 01 december 2010 21:54:48 schreef andre999: [...] i also see that mirror layout should be as easy as possible for mirror admins. Agreed. However keeping an extra set o

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op donderdag 02 december 2010 17:43:10 schreef Michael Scherer: Le jeudi 02 décembre 2010 à 16:26 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : 2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula: For the record, I'm not a big fan of "tainted" name (too negative), but I can't think of anything better eithe

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Op donderdag 02 december 2010 18:23:35 schreef Leandro Dorileo: > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Wolfgang Bornath > > wrote: > > 2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula : > >> For the record, I'm not a big fan of "tainted" name (too negative), but > >> I can't think of anything better either, so... :) > > > >

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Op donderdag 02 december 2010 17:43:10 schreef Michael Scherer: > Le jeudi 02 décembre 2010 à 16:26 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : > > 2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula : > > > For the record, I'm not a big fan of "tainted" name (too negative), but > > > I can't think of anything better either, so... :) >

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Op donderdag 02 december 2010 08:20:15 schreef andre999: > Maarten Vanraes a écrit : > > Op woensdag 01 december 2010 21:54:48 schreef andre999: > > [...] > > > > allthough interesting, this thread is about mirror layout; and is not > > about removing the distinction between supported packages and

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > 2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula : >> >> For the record, I'm not a big fan of "tainted" name (too negative), but >> I can't think of anything better either, so... :) > > I agree, as "restricted" may be misleading former Mandriva users, why > not "s

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > 2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula : >> >> For the record, I'm not a big fan of "tainted" name (too negative), but >> I can't think of anything better either, so... :) > > I agree, as "restricted" may be misleading former Mandriva users, why > not "s

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Le jeudi 02 décembre 2010 à 16:26 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : > 2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula : > > > > For the record, I'm not a big fan of "tainted" name (too negative), but > > I can't think of anything better either, so... :) > > I agree, as "restricted" may be misleading former Mandriva users

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010/12/2 Anssi Hannula : > > For the record, I'm not a big fan of "tainted" name (too negative), but > I can't think of anything better either, so... :) I agree, as "restricted" may be misleading former Mandriva users, why not "special" or "extra"? I know there is the name "extra" for some other

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On 01.12.2010 22:29, Anssi Hannula wrote: > On 30.11.2010 12:37, Thomas Backlund wrote: > [...] >> Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro? > > Yes. > >> >> and for refernece: The suggested layout for is: >> >> * core >> * nonfree >> * tainted For the record, I'm not a

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Maarten Vanraes a écrit : Op woensdag 01 december 2010 21:54:48 schreef andre999: [...] allthough interesting, this thread is about mirror layout; and is not about removing the distinction between supported packages and not. (this wasn't all that clear to me at first.) I'll discuss further do

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Op woensdag 01 december 2010 21:54:48 schreef andre999: [...] allthough interesting, this thread is about mirror layout; and is not about removing the distinction between supported packages and not. (this wasn't all that clear to me at first.) i do understand that you think other methods of hav

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Ahmad Samir a écrit : On 30 November 2010 07:29, andre999 wrote: Michael Scherer a écrit : Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 20:54 -0500, andre999 a écrit : Yann Ciret a écrit : I dislike the main/contrib separation in some case. The first example is with Mozilla Thunderbird packages. Some ex

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On 30.11.2010 12:37, Thomas Backlund wrote: [...] > Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro? Yes. > > and for refernece: The suggested layout for is: > > * core > * nonfree > * tainted > * debug_core > * debug_nonfree > * debug_tainted > > > Every media contains the

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On 01.12.2010 00:12, Maarten Vanraes wrote: Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 11:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit : So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, here is the idea: We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias: debug_core, debug_nonfre

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Op dinsdag 30 november 2010 12:04:49 schreef Samuel Verschelde: > Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 11:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit : > > So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with > > founders, here is the idea: > > > > We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 deb

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 12:37:42 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote: > Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro? > I also agree with this structure. -- Sam Bailey Cyprix Enterprises Web: cyprix.com.au Em: cyp...@cyprix.com.au Mb: 0425 796 308

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Op dinsdag 30 november 2010 13:29:28 schreef Samuel Verschelde: > > > In Mandriva, you can find many examples of packages in main which are > > > not supported in reality, > > > > > > or even maybe simply don't work. You can find also many packages in > > > contrib which are > > > > > > perfect

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On mardi 30 novembre 2010 at 11:37, Thomas Backlund wrote : > Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro? I agree. -- Renaud Michel

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Le 30/11/2010 11:37, Thomas Backlund a écrit : > > Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro? > I agree with this proposal. Regards Yann

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2010/11/30 Thomas Backlund > * core > - enabled by default > - mirrors must mirror this media to be listed as a mirror > - only free/libre stuff as described by FSF / OSI > - must be selfcontained > > * nonfree > - disabled by default, installer will ask to enable it if >it detects hw th

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 13:29, Samuel Verschelde wrote: > What I'm saying is totally different : > > In the first case : > - no one steps in to maintain it. We drop it. > > In the second case : > - no one steps in to maintain it. Because we promised to support it, and > because there are people w

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Michael Scherer skrev 30.11.2010 14:23: Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 à 07:50 -0300, Balcaen John a écrit : Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 07:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit : So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, here is the idea: We start of with 3 medias: core,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Anne nicolas skrev 30.11.2010 13:15: 2010/11/30 Thomas Backlund: So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, here is the idea: For us I think the best way for now is to start with this suggested layout, and see if it works well for us. Remember, as Michael poin

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Samuel Verschelde skrev 30.11.2010 13:04: Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 11:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit : So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, here is the idea: We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias: debug_core, debug_nonfre

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Balcaen John skrev 30.11.2010 12:50: Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 07:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit : So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, here is the idea: We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias: debug_core, debug_nonfree, debu

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Jerome Quelin skrev 30.11.2010 12:48: On 10/11/30 12:37 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote: We wont blindly import every package from cooker, instead we'll start off the import with basesystem (as in bootable system with shell access), compiler and rpm tools (and of course their buildtime depencies).

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> > In Mandriva, you can find many examples of packages in main which are not > > supported in reality, > > or even maybe simply don't work. You can find also many packages in > > contrib which are > > perfectly supported, in cooker as in stable releases. You gave me examples. > > However I

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 à 07:50 -0300, Balcaen John a écrit : > Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 07:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit : > > So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with > > founders, here is the idea: > > > > We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 deb

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

2010/11/30 Thomas Backlund : > So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, > here is the idea: > For us I think the best way for now is to start with this suggested > layout, and see if it works well for us. Remember, as Michael pointed > out, this is a community su

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 11:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit : > > So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with > founders, here is the idea: > > We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias: > debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to av

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Tue, 30 Nov 2010, Thomas Backlund wrote: > So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, > here is the idea: > > We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias: > debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to avoid confusion, > we wo

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:37, Thomas Backlund wrote: > So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, > here is the idea: > [...] > Can we reach an agreement that this is the way to start the distro? Looks good, yes. Romain

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Le mardi 30 novembre 2010 07:37:42, Thomas Backlund a écrit : > So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with > founders, here is the idea: > > We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias: > debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to avoid c

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On 10/11/30 12:37 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote: > We wont blindly import every package from cooker, instead we'll > start off the import with basesystem (as in bootable system with > shell access), compiler and rpm tools (and of course their buildtime > depencies). When all of that is imported and

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

So, after reading all different opinions here and discussing with founders, here is the idea: We start of with 3 medias: core, nonfree, tainted and 3 debug medias: debug_core, debug_nonfree, debug_tainted. In order to avoid confusion, we wont use the name "restricted" as it was used in MDV comm

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On 30 November 2010 07:29, andre999 wrote: > Michael Scherer a écrit : >> >> Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 20:54 -0500, andre999 a écrit : >> >>> >>> Yann Ciret a écrit : >>> >>> I dislike the main/contrib separation in some case. The first example is with Mozilla Thunderbird packages

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

I think this whole question is not done with an easy answer. It can also not be ssen in a black/white mode. I see the clear insight of Michael's suggestion which is a black/white point of view. Not maintained? Kick it out (well, not "out" but into the ante-room). But I also see the reality from the

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

On 10/11/30 00:29 -0500, andre999 wrote: > My point is that a sandbox will facilitate proper support. Which > would be facilitated by keeping the 2 sets of free repositories. > And restricting what should be considered core. > We both know that Mandriva is moving in that direction. Evidently > re

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Michael Scherer a écrit : Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 20:54 -0500, andre999 a écrit : Yann Ciret a écrit : I dislike the main/contrib separation in some case. The first example is with Mozilla Thunderbird packages. Some extension packages are in contrib. So each time thunderbird rece

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 20:06 -0500, andre999 a écrit : > nicolas vigier a écrit : > > On Mon, 29 Nov 2010, andre999 wrote: > > > > > >> The supposed advantages of discarding a set of repositories over having an > >> obvious sandbox aren't clear. > >> > > I think misc already explaine

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 15:56 -0500, andre999 a écrit : > Isn't choice part of > what Linux is supposed to be about ? No. That's freedom of the source code, not choice. Reread either Gnu manifesto, or Linus Torvalds biography. And so, you are free to use the source code for what you want,

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 20:54 -0500, andre999 a écrit : > Yann Ciret a écrit : > > > I dislike the main/contrib separation in some case. > > The first example is with Mozilla Thunderbird packages. Some extension > > packages are in contrib. So each time thunderbird received security > >

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 18:29 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : > Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 17:08:25, Michael Scherer a écrit : > > > > So either the package is supported, and we keep, or it is not, and then > > why should we keep it ? > > Because it works, at least partially. Having it wor

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Michael Scherer a écrit : Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 14:28 +0100, Olivier Thauvin a écrit : * Thomas Backlund (t...@iki.fi) wrote: Olivier Thauvin skrev 29.11.2010 03:06: * Thomas Backlund (t...@iki.fi) wrote: I can't agree with the "mirrors are free to not mirror this media

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Yann Ciret a écrit : Le 29/11/2010 15:44, Dexter Morgan a écrit : On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Jerome Quelin wrote: On 10/11/28 22:12 +0200, Thomas Backlund wrote: So the mirror medias accordingly to all comments so far would be a simple: * core - enabled by default

Re: [Mageia-dev] Mirror layout, round two

Le lundi 29 novembre 2010 à 14:28 +0100, Olivier Thauvin a écrit : > * Thomas Backlund (t...@iki.fi) wrote: > > Olivier Thauvin skrev 29.11.2010 03:06: > >> * Thomas Backlund (t...@iki.fi) wrote: > >> I can't agree with the "mirrors are free to not mirror this media", > >> three reasons: > >> 1) I

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