[mailop] Receivers behavior when seeing a new header

Hello, We're an ESP, we've been asking our clients to add an Expires: header (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-billon-expires/) and one of them said they had concerns that a new header would confuse the antispam and that there's a risk emails would start getting junked or rejected. I a

Re: [mailop] Anyone from @t-online.de or @laposte.net on list?

Well, they're not =) They also have an extensive Postmaster page https://postmaster.laposte.net/categories/j-ai-un-message-d-erreur/mes-envois-sont-bloques Did you try postmaster@ and ab...@laposte.net already? -- Benjamin From: mailop On Behalf Of Xavier Beaudouin vi

Re: [mailop] GMail 550 5.1.1?

For information this didn't last the 1 hour and 10 minutes logged in the report https://www.google.com/appsstatus#hl=en&v=issue&sid=1&iid=109f5878e60fdfb3c0f64fc9b81752e1 , at least for several senders in Europe. Maybe you're luckier in the US. It seems to be calm at the moment I'm writing this,

Re: [mailop] BIMI pilot @ Google

VMG (Yahoo/Aol) uses their own matching table (domain <=> brand <=> logo), mixed with reputation (you proved you're good, then we can display the logo). In other words, they don't display the logo for just any BIMI record. As Marcel said, the main challenge is scalability as it requires manual t

Re: [mailop] Secureserver & wanadoo.fr throttling

The limit for standard IPs is 3 simultaneous connections from a single IP at Orange AND Wanadoo (both .fr). So don't set 3 and 3, it has to be 3 in total. Try 2 and 1 if you wish, there should be more orange.fr than wanadoo.fr addresses nowadays. Start with that! If it doesn't help feel free to

Re: [mailop] scaleway.com / online.net: Scammers, or just scammer friendly?

They do have people working on that, OVH has some too. I can't tell if they're efficient or not, but they're probably overwhelmed. I'll poke them. -- Benjamin -Original Message- From: mailop On Behalf Of JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via mailop Sent: jeudi 2 avril 2020 15:06 To: mailop@mailop.o

Re: [mailop] SFRContact

Yup; can you share more about your issue? They rely a lot but not only on VadeSecure. -- Benjamin From: mailop On Behalf Of Chris Truitt via mailop Sent: mercredi 11 décembre 2019 20:31 To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: [mailop] SFRContact Does anyone have a contact with SFR.Fr? Thanks, Chris T

Re: [mailop] BIMI

The BIMI draft includes a part about certification (for the logo being the logo of the brand, etc.), but this was the reason BIMI didn't took off. It did take off when Yahoo! Mail (now part of Verizon Media Group) decided that instead of relying on an open and standardized implementation, they'll

Re: [mailop] ItaliaOnLine (@libero.it, +) now interpreting DMARC p=none as p=quarantine

ItaliaOnline is rolling out new rules, including the necessity of having a DMARC record (and also a valid DKIM signature), among other things. I believe those kind of delivery placement (on p=none) is a side effect of what they're trying to do. -- Benjamin -Original Message- From: mailo

Re: [mailop] Certified Senders Alliance

> I browsed their site and found the price list[*] sooner than the FAQs[†]. > The very last section is For Mailbox Providers and Spam Filter Providers, but > doesn't actually tell how to verify if a sender is whitelisted. I wrote them > asking for more info. Interesting. The "Participants"

Re: [mailop] Certified Senders Alliance

I have the exact opposite experience and feeling. The few times people complained to CSA about emails sent through our network, their complaint office contacted us (NOT in a timely manner as they seem quite busy), asking to provide some information such as the context of consent collection, tha

Re: [mailop] https://sender.office.com/ not working (or only with outlook.com addresses)

Hey Alex, I just tried it, and got the confirmation email immediately (in the junk folder of my Office365 mailbox, but still). I think the "need an @outlook.com" address was for SNDS a very long time ago, when it wasn't possible to use its own domain to create a Microsoft account. -- Benjamin

Re: [mailop] Orange.fr having trouble

Seems to get better now, there shouldn't be " 421 mwinf5c48 ME Service refuse " anymore -- Benjamin From: mailop On Behalf Of Benjamin BILLON via mailop Sent: lundi 9 septembre 2019 18:28 To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: [mailop] Orange.fr having trouble Hi there, Orange.fr i

[mailop] Orange.fr having trouble

Hi there, Orange.fr is having issues, it is expected they'll reject emails. They advise to pause or reduce the submissions for the time being Thanks, -- Benjamin ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/list

Re: [mailop] Resolving issues for several yahoo domains?

ges through as quickly as possible? -- Alex Brotman Sr. Engineer, Anti-Abuse & Messaging Policy Comcast From: mailop mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org>> On Behalf Of Benjamin BILLON via mailop Sent: Thursday, September 5, 2019 10:08 AM To: mailop@mailop.org<mailto:mailop@mailop.org> S

Re: [mailop] Resolving issues for several yahoo domains?

ountered - should do the Job. Hate to imagine how much mail is currently trying to get into Yahoo and AOL On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 14:39, Benjamin BILLON via mailop mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote: Yes, everyone. Some, very few, emails are accepted. I believe their servers are overloaded. I sugge

Re: [mailop] Resolving issues for several yahoo domains?

Yes, everyone. Some, very few, emails are accepted. I believe their servers are overloaded. I suggest everyone to back off a bit, for instance by limiting the number of concurrent connections per outbound IP to ... 1. Until it gets better. Forcing our way through is not gonna work, or help. The

Re: [mailop] Another example of why infosec people give up on reporting..

I had to use that MS form just a few days ago (a phishing coming from an authenticated O365 account) and didn't have the same experience ... actually I was even positively surprised they put recaptcha on their form (SNDS has a much more old-school captcha). Also, I don't recall ever seeing reca

Re: [mailop] [ext] Re: Return Path / Sender Score

Is Email a democracy? If so, my vote is similar to what have been said here, I say COI, customers say "what?", I reply "or you know, DOI", customers say "ha yes, that". I prefer COI too, but apparently I don't have a _that_ big impact on the world and people's mind (I guess I forgot something in

Re: [mailop] Return Path / Sender Score

> They even had the audacity to send me welcome emails. Mhh there might be another scenario, then. I've been receiving on various email addresses a few Welcome or Confirm your subscription emails lately (from brands that don't even exist in my country), and I guess they simply don't have a secur

Re: [mailop] Senderbase contact

Senderbase is now Cisco / https://www.talosintelligence.com/reputation_center ReturnPath's website is SenderScore Maybe both are lurking here, but you might want to clarify who you're trying to get in touch with =) -- Benjamin -Original Message- From: mailop On Behalf Of Robert Blayzor

Re: [mailop] SPF: What happens if includes specify different 'all' settings?

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7208#section-5.2 3. The recursive evaluation returns match, not-match, or an error. So only the "all" of the main record matters, those from the included record are ignored. (there could be some fun with "redirect" though) -- Benjamin -Original Message---

Re: [mailop] Orange.fr: your certificate is expired.

I also get one valid until March 25th 2019 (so expired). I'll poke them -- Benjamin Billon -Original Message- From: mailop On Behalf Of John Levine via mailop Sent: jeudi 20 juin 2019 21:59 To: mailop@mailop.org Cc: mai...@davideyraud.net Subject: Re: [mailop] Orange.fr: your certificat

Re: [mailop] What is the story with QQ.COM?

If those emails seem to be sent from botnets, I believe they're not sent from QQ.com. They have a SPF -all policy, a p=none DMARC policy, and I can't check if they have DKIM but it's quite possible. So isn't it just a case of usual spoofing? Like it could have been many other things than @qq.co

Re: [mailop] Contact at cox.net

+1 Contacting the address provided in https://www.cox.com/residential/support/email-error-codes.html went nowhere -- Benjamin -Original Message- From: mailop On Behalf Of Simplelists - Andrew Beverley via mailop Sent: vendredi 31 mai 2019 09:16 To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: [mailop]

Re: [mailop] Microsoft FBL Increase

Hello, Not especially on Nov. 18th, but starting 28th we got more Microsoft FBL than Yahoo's, which didn't happen for ... a long time. Here's a 6-months line, it's pretty obvious (sorry for the folks in text only): [cid:image002.jpg@01D3744C.FE798670] I can't say if it's "back to normal" as it's

[mailop] Does JMRP send everything? (Was: Re: Hotmail, green SNDS and junk folder placement)

Hi all, I come to confirm the interest of the community in this question (was: "Does JMRP provide all or almost all the complaints through FBL as disclosed in the Live Postmaster page?"). @Michael> we understand this topic could be out of your direct scope and we deeply appreciate every efforts y

Re: [mailop] Comcast Feedback Loop emails that look legitimate

> I run a mailing list about eastern european folk dancing (I'm not even surprised, John, and I don't know if it's normal) Last month we got 2806 complaints from the same email address in a single day, on the Libero FBL. Apparently their webmail UI makes it really easy to select plenty of messages

Re: [mailop] Hotmail and 4.5.1 4.7.500 Server Busy with some

Sorry to interrupt, I just have a suggestion that maybe Michael could forward internally: there used to have a Status page for various Microsoft services, it either moved to some secret place or was removed. There's now a page for Office365 clients (however being myself client the page generates an

Re: [mailop] SNDS unavailable?

with empty result > - ipStatus returns 204 no content. > - export to CSV works fine. > - web access works fine. > > The doc says the "data" url should return the same of the "export to CSV", > so it seems it is not working correctly. > > Stefano > > >>

Re: [mailop] Hotmail, green SNDS and junk folder placement

f says, that changes something. Probably if it wasn't an ISP as big as Hotmail it wouldn't be such an issue. -- <https://www.splio.com> Benjamin 2017-10-30 5:22 GMT+08:00 Bill Cole : > On 28 Oct 2017, at 12:03 (-0400), Benjamin BILLON via mailop wrote: > > Mhh I'm not

[mailop] SNDS unavailable?

Hello, We couldn't retrieve SNDS data for the past few days (the data feed replies 204 No content), and when trying to log in the web-UI it says "There's a temporary problem with the service. Please try again. If you continue to get this message, try again later." Does the same problem occur for

Re: [mailop] Hotmail, green SNDS and junk folder placement

Benjamin 2017-10-28 23:34 GMT+08:00 Bill Cole : > On 28 Oct 2017, at 4:12 (-0400), Benjamin BILLON via mailop wrote: > > This basically makes JMRP irrelevant for ESPs: we don't >> have reliable metrics, >> > > You must know already that ESP "metrics" are la

Re: [mailop] Hotmail, green SNDS and junk folder placement

nt:* Friday, October 27, 2017 8:02 AM > *To:* Stefano Bagnara > *Cc:* mailop@mailop.org > *Subject:* Re: [mailop] Hotmail, green SNDS and junk folder placement > > > > My experience too is that BCL is the deciding factor over everything and > have yet to figure out how to rea

Re: [mailop] SENDERSCORE

You might want to register on https://www.senderscore.org/ to get more information about the score of your IP -- Benjamin 2017-10-25 3:34 GMT+08:00 Justin Frechette : > Tim, > > From my understanding, the nslookup reverseIP.score.senderscore.com will > result in showing

Re: [mailop] list-unsubscribe how do you handle the requests

Unsub request (that's what it is, right?), but still differentiated from other reasons of unsub. We're thinking of making a special case for List-unsubs coming from Gmail, too (although that's not much of a priority) -- Benjamin 2017-10-24 23:09 GMT+08:00 Bressier Simon

[mailop] Hotmail, green SNDS and junk folder placement

Hello there, Following Microsoft's folks recommendations (on this list and in ... a Canadian city a few weeks ago), we're going through tickets as usual, but we're for now circling around. I just wonder if other senders witnessed the same as described below: - SNDS says green - given the open rat

Re: [mailop] Yahoo FeedbackLoop problem

I believe they do not magically look at all subdomains of the registered domain name. It's actually kind of normal. What you could do is double-sign: once with the subdomain, and another time with the main, FBL-registered, one. -- Benjamin 2017-10-18 1:37 GMT+08:00 Laura

Re: [mailop] Yahoo FeedbackLoop problem

Can you share a sample of email (with headers) as received by Yahoo? -- Benjamin 2017-10-17 20:16 GMT+08:00 Emanuel : > Hello, > > I work for a email marketing firm from Argentina. I have a problem to add > the domains of the company at the FBL reports from Yahoo. > > I

Re: [mailop] unique/shared public DKIM keys per domain?

ay be used within data feed to classifiers, and classifiers are >> also used in reputation tuples and there is machine learning inside. So >> it's really hard to predict how DKIM selector may affect reputation. But >> surely, it can. >> >> >> Thanks! >> >&

Re: [mailop] unique/shared public DKIM keys per domain?

Hi John, > Do you? In the way I tried to express it, yes. Gmail recently said that the selector, or the change of the selector, can have a role in their anti-spam and reputation system. Just because it's an element of the email, and that it can indicate something. It is not used for _reputation_ i

Re: [mailop] unique/shared public DKIM keys per domain?

ISPs might consider the change of s= or key as an element being part of their reputation systems and metrics. The consequences are however unknown but very most probably negligeable. Considering that d= is the important stuff is right. Having the same public key should not have any incidence, so if

Re: [mailop] Any ORANGE France Email guys monitoring this list, RFC Compliance..

I pinged one -- Benjamin 2017-10-06 11:40 GMT-04:00 Michael Peddemors : > Seeing an increase in spam from them again.. > But seems someone hasn't read RFC's.. > > Seems like it is relayed out a server without the proper addition of > Received Lines, and allowing email t

Re: [mailop] List-Unsubscribe support

SFR, too -- Benjamin 2017-10-05 11:42 GMT-04:00 ewald kessler | webpower < ewald.kess...@webpower.nl>: > Laposte.net and Mail.ru support it too. > > Regards, > Ewald > > -- > Deliverability & Abuse Management, www.webpower-group.com > ewald.kess...@webpower.nl > t: +31

Re: [mailop] MAAWG in Toronto, hands up who on the list is attending?

> hands up who on the list is attending? Isn't there a Fight Club-like rule about this? > So, the thought was.. what stops someone else from sending a similar message out of mailgun. I don't know mailgun well, but from their website they offer an API to use their service, so I guess that based on

Re: [mailop] DMARC reports not received from Google

Got'em, thanks! -- Benjamin 2017-09-21 8:38 GMT+08:00 Brandon Long via mailop : > All reports should now have gone out. > > Brandon > > On Sep 20, 2017 9:31 AM, "Bressier Simon" wrote: > >> Sorry, my bad I meant rua indeed, sorry :) >> Le mer. 20 sept. 2017 à 18:23, Vl

Re: [mailop] mailop] Hotmail is blocking our mail relay IP range

My wild theory is that engineers at Microsoft are having a hell of a week and that they're still trying to fix things, with a relative success. They're probably very sorry for the collateral damages, but have other priorities right now ... Having the whole story afterwards would be fascinating, as

Re: [mailop] Contact Cloudmark ?

Hello, Just a small clarification: from what I understand of what co-registration is, based on Signal-Spam and ReturnPath documentations for instance, this is when, in whatever form you are filling, there's the possibility to subscribe voluntarily to other, related or not, newsletters. Like if I'm

Re: [mailop] DMARC reports not received from Google

Last one I got was on Mon, 18 Sep 2017 02:00:03 -0700 (PDT) -- Benjamin 2017-09-20 22:02 GMT+08:00 Bressier Simon : > Hey guys, > > Are you guys receiving ruf DMARC reports since 17th of Sept from Google ? > The last one I have was sent on 17th, nothing since that. > >

Re: [mailop] Outlook/Hotmail AS3150 block

Hello, I've seen samples with AS3140, and AS3150, maybe there are others. Is there a major difference we should understand and care about? Thanks, -- Benjamin 2017-09-20 7:46 GMT+08:00 Javed Ali : > Hi Michael, > > Thanks for your prompt assistance and clarificati

Re: [mailop] Yahoo Support Page

What's the URL? Is it to reach the page, or after you submit the form? -- Benjamin 2017-09-19 1:53 GMT+08:00 Scot Berggren : > Is anyone on here from Yahoo? > > > > I’ve been trying to submit a ticket via their support site, but for the > past week keep getting this mes

Re: [mailop] Hotmail "Organization queue quota exceeded."

t week on the .co.uk > and what we are seeing is a kind of “hiccup”. When the addresses are > retried on the usual mx we get 250s just fine. > > > > Mathieu Bourdin > > NP6 Deliverability team. > > > > > > *De :* Benjamin BILLON via mailop [mailto:mailop@m

[mailop] Hotmail "Organization queue quota exceeded."

Hello, I'm hearing about replies like "450 4.7.3 Organization queue quota exceeded" for .fr Microsoft domains (hotmail/live/outlook). I didn't receive any myself, but I still wonder if anyone ever heard of this? Google only has 6 results for this, only 2 are relevant, and dated of 2014 .. Cheers

Re: [mailop] mailop Digest, Vol 119, Issue 2

Can you detail what you expect from PowerMTA? And what made you be affected by the change of MX for .co.uk vs. all others? Even if you have something like in your conf, it won't create just one queue, and it won't connect to just one MX. Do you force the route to Hotmail's MX IPs, or something?

Re: [mailop] SPF/DMARC and subdomains

You can also check Terry Zink's recent article on this topic, and Bart's comment: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/tzink/2017/08/15/does-spf-need-an-update-so-subdomains-can-inherit-the-policy-of-its-organizational-domain-i-say-yes/ -- Benjamin 2017-08-30 23:09 GMT+08:00

Re: [mailop] Anyone from Woody.ch?

I got off-list replies, thanks! -- Benjamin 2017-08-22 17:50 GMT+02:00 Benjamin BILLON : > Hello there, > > Hopefully Benoit is reading us, but just in case, is there anyone else to > contact about Woody.ch? > > We keep receiving different abuse reports (for URI domains

Re: [mailop] Anyone from Woody.ch?

Thank you Klaus, he got in touch with me! Cheers, -- <https://www.splio.com> Benjamin 2017-08-23 7:34 GMT+02:00 Klaus Ethgen : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Hi Benjamin, > > Am Di den 22. Aug 2017 um 16:50 schrieb Benjamin BILLON via mailop:

[mailop] Anyone from Woody.ch?

Hello there, Hopefully Benoit is reading us, but just in case, is there anyone else to contact about Woody.ch? We keep receiving different abuse reports (for URI domains, then URI IPs, and now outbound IP) for the same spamtrap hit (that seems to be a recycled address). > For any questions or Fee

Re: [mailop] Alice.it contact

For abuse handling, the M3AAWG published at least these two guidelines: - https://www.m3aawg.org/sites/default/files/document/M3AAWG_Hosting_Abuse_BCPs-2015-03.pdf - https://www.m3aawg.org/sites/default/files/document/MAAWG_Abuse_Desk_Common_Practices.pdf (and potentially this one https://www.m3aa

Re: [mailop] Are SNDS colors still reliable?

, so when Gmail's open rates are twice bigger than Hotmail's with the same target, I'm not sure this would solve the issue. However if I can have cases showing it's the case, that would give me a silver bullet for all our clients with second thoughts about excluding inactive

[mailop] Are SNDS colors still reliable?

Hello folks, I've seen recent cases where open rates of Hotmail's recipients are clearly lower than for other ISPs (like, less than half the rate of Gmail, Yahoo, etc.). Manual tests and seeded addresses show mixed results, with both inbox and junk folder. What's weird is that I can see a bright

Re: [mailop] Sharing Google Postmaster Tools

Hi Luis, I guess you did it already, but just in case, after sharing a domain to another user, this user needs to go through the process of adding the domain, like for any new domain (like Anthony said, by clicking the ( + ) button). But here it won't ask to add the TXT record! --

Re: [mailop] Gmail labeled as Spam based on content

ey had blacklisted domains in them. Helped a lot. > > Tim Starr > Sr. Director, Deliverability, Maropost > > On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Laura Atkins > wrote: > >> >> On Aug 2, 2017, at 3:15 AM, Benjamin BILLON via mailop >> wrote: >> >&g

Re: [mailop] Gmail Postmaster Tools

We do have data for all, excepted from Aug. 3rd to 6th, no data for Feedback Loop only (there's data for other metrics), on all domains I had a look at. -- Benjamin 2017-08-08 17:51 GMT+02:00 Ken O'Driscoll : > Same here on client domains. > > -- > Ken O'Driscoll / We Mon

Re: [mailop] Gmail labeled as Spam based on content

In the case of Gmail, you can have _some_ hint about your domain's reputation with the Gmail Postmaster Tools https://gmail.com/postmaster/ @Laura> nice article, would it also apply to Hotmail, from your opinion? Cheers, -- Benjamin 2017-08-01 23:36 GMT+02:00 Laura Atk

Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools - Authentification accuracy or issue on my side ?

I see these disparities for domains that are used in MAIL FROM / envelope header / return-path (for SPF), and that sometimes are used for DKIM signing (so it's not 0%), but not always (so it's not 100%). With no more detail about your settings, content and traffic it would be hard to help, but add

Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools: spam rates

ctually. You can > have datas for an identifier only if it reach a non negligeable rate, > basically, if you have datas for an identifier, it means there is an issue > with the flow identified. > > > > 2017-07-31 15:50 GMT+02:00 Benjamin BILLON via mailop : > >> Digging

Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools: spam rates

Digging up this topic, @Anna> you might have had some feedback from Google about that since your message? I can still sleep at night, but I'm curious about the outcome! -- Benjamin 2017-05-31 18:23 GMT+02:00 Nick Schafer : > The feedback loop shouldn't include messages caught by their spam fi