Re: [marxmail] Campaigning to end the electoral college

2024-10-04 Thread Marv Gandall
On Fri, Oct 4, 2024 at 04:25 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > I'm pretty sure there are differences between us. I was thinking of the > Second and Third International parties and their trade union wings that > funded them, historically, rather than contemporary. Today, these parties > have become bure

Re: [marxmail] Campaigning to end the electoral college

2024-10-04 Thread Marv Gandall
On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 09:42 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > The US isn't like "every advanced capitalist democracy" in that it has > practically always had only two parties, both competing to represent > capitalists, and practically no independent political action by the > working class... the US is

Re: [marxmail] Campaigning to end the electoral college

2024-10-03 Thread Marv Gandall
On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 03:55 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: But as long as we are talking about only two parties, it's not clear to me that any US electoral reform won't fall victim to their undemocratic machinations. On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 01:59 PM, Mark Lause wrote: It is one of the eighteenth century

Re: [marxmail] Campaigning to end the electoral college

2024-10-03 Thread Marv Gandall
On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 10:45 AM, Charlie wrote: > > Abortion rights directly matter to a great part of the population. Women's > right to vote was a step along the way to social and economic equality, > too. The "powerful democratic demand" that Gandall sees in abolition of > the electoral colleg

Re: [marxmail] Campaigning to end the electoral college

2024-10-03 Thread Marv Gandall
Thanks, David. Very interesting.  I note that Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Virginia, North Carolina, and Nevada - all swing states with many working class Democratic party supporters - have yet to endorse the compact. Seems to me it's a democratic demand that those urging abstention in the

Re: [marxmail] Israel crosses into Lebanon

2024-10-01 Thread Marv Gandall
In wars, when the fighting ends, the reckoning begins - among the vanquished, that is. Exuberant when the shooting starts, confident in victory, war weariness sets in as infrastructure is devastated, production ceases, basic services collapse, and the masses succumb to cold, hunger, homelessness

Re: [marxmail] Another Respected Figure on The Left Discredits Himself for Kamala

2024-09-30 Thread Marv Gandall
On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 09:39 PM, wrote: > > All I want to know is how  you can proclaim a fidelity to historical > materialism at the same time as you believe socialism is dead. It shouldn't be necessary to remind you that it's a method of analysis not a dogma and as such you can come to a co

Re: [marxmail] Another Respected Figure on The Left Discredits Himself for Kamala

2024-09-30 Thread Marv Gandall
Comrade Schanoes, I’ll confess to anything rather than having to re-litigate those lengthy eye-glazing exchanges we had last year about Syriza, Podemos, the MIR, POUM, Popular Frontism, Corbyn, Sanders, etc. The moderators have never forgiven me for having risen to the bait. I objected to... wh

Re: [marxmail] Another Respected Figure on The Left Discredits Himself for Kamala

2024-09-30 Thread Marv Gandall
er after the popular referendum soundly rejecting the austerity package.  Louis was aligned with Leo Panitch and Sam Gindin, Nathan Tankus, Doug Henwood and Susan Webber of Naked Capitalism in urging caution.  My views haven't changed.   From my files: > > Begin forwarded

Re: [marxmail] Another Respected Figure on The Left Discredits Himself for Kamala

2024-09-30 Thread Marv Gandall
The reason I'm on the list is because I look at past and present through an historical materialist lens, as do many others on the list who have shared many of the same political experiences.  Examining social reality doesn't always lead to uniform and benign conclusions.The exchanges challenge m

Re: [marxmail] Another Respected Figure on The Left Discredits Himself for Kamala

2024-09-30 Thread Marv Gandall
It is more fundamental, Mark. But how do you propose we "reconstruct" the movement? I've heard that tune played and replayed at every gathering of the Marxist left I've attended over the past half century with none of the competing ideas on offer having been tested or, if they were tested, havin

Re: [marxmail] Another Respected Figure on The Left Discredits Himself for Kamala

2024-09-30 Thread Marv Gandall
If you reread my comment, Artesian, you will see that I don't believe there is a formula/blueprint/cookbook which can spark a revival of the mass movement. The reverse is true - that “unless and until” there is a revival of working class political consciousness and combativity, it doesn’t much m

Re: [marxmail] Another Respected Figure on The Left Discredits Himself for Kamala

2024-09-30 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sun, Sep 29, 2024 at 01:17 PM, wrote: > > the other is "strategic"-expressed most clearly by MG with his "socialism > is dead" evaluation of the current situation... Those with the "strategic" > take or the programmatic one that says working within the Democratic Party > is the only viable pa

Re: [marxmail] Nasrallah killed in Israeli attack

2024-09-28 Thread Marv Gandall
Thanks, David.  Besides the missiles, it seems they went after the command and control capacity of Hezbollah. The exploding phones and pagers and the targeted assassinations  don't seem so gratuitous in retrospect.  I expect even a limited Hezbollah response will serve as a pretext for an Israel

Re: [marxmail] Nasrallah killed in Israeli attack

2024-09-28 Thread Marv Gandall
Isn't Hezbollah now required to respond with a strong counter-strike from its impressive arsenal to avoid losing all credibility? If it does not, it will appear as if it has capitulated to the threat of an Israeli ground invasion. The next hours and days should tell the tale. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Re: [marxmail] NYRB: The Race That Can't Be Won

2024-09-26 Thread Marv Gandall
On Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 02:34 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > ...this "cold war" exists between blocs of capitalist countries. At least > that's the evidence-based approach. But China has become perceived as > "communist" over the past ten years as opportunistic politicians use the > label, which of

Re: [marxmail] NYRB: The Race That Can't Be Won

2024-09-26 Thread Marv Gandall
[Edited Message Follows] [Reason: editorial] On Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 02:34 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > ...this "cold war" exists between blocs of capitalist countries. At least > that's the evidence-based approach. But China has become perceived as > "communist" over the past ten years as opport

Re: [marxmail] NYRB: The Race That Can't Be Won

2024-09-26 Thread Marv Gandall
Not only in the US. Their own sudden extinction seems too remote and horrific for most everyone to contemplate, so they typically don’t. Even those who ought to be organizing a new antiwar movement seem to have been lulled into complacency after living for decades with a threat which has never m

Re: [marxmail] NYRB: The Race That Can't Be Won

2024-09-26 Thread Marv Gandall
On Thu, Sep 26, 2024 at 10:47 AM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > In the US, we seem to have accepted the inevitability of foreign > adventures and military expansion with little protest or even any apparent > concern. Not only in the US. Their own sudden extinction seems too remote and horrific for pe

Re: [marxmail] How a Leftist Jolted Sri Lanka’s Politics and Presidency - The New York Times

2024-09-24 Thread Marv Gandall
A more detailed and scathing look at the JVP : " The JVP is a right-wing, nationalist and communalist movement, steeped in Sinhala populism and hostility to the island’s Tamil minority. For decades, the JVP has served as a crucial prop of the Sri Lankan bourgeoisie, including in 1988-89 when it

[marxmail] How a Leftist Jolted Sri Lanka’s Politics and Presidency - The New York Times

2024-09-24 Thread Marv Gandall
> The spectacular election victory on Sunday of Anura K.Dissanayake’s National > People’s Power coalition is entirely owing to Sri Lanka’s economic collapse > in 2022. In the 2019 election, the NPP received under a half million votes, a > 3% share. On Sunday, the coalition received 5.75 million

Re: [marxmail] People's Forum and the Teamsters' no-endorsement stand

2024-09-21 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sat, Sep 21, 2024 at 12:43 PM, wrote: > > Is it possible, Marv and  Charlie  in agreement? > Sorry to disappoint.  It is you and he who are in agreement.  Quelle surprise. Charlie writes: "A big chunk of the union membership apparently intends to vote for Trump. If you really want to coun

Re: [marxmail] China: on Stalinism, capitalist restoration and Marxist state theory

2024-09-20 Thread Marv Gandall
On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 04:44 PM, Duane Filan wrote: > > "In 1933 Trotsky called for a political revolution, not reform, to > overthrow Stalin and for the formation of new political parties to carry > through the struggle for socialism. > True, but it was only after Hitler came to power that Tr

Re: [marxmail] China: on Stalinism, capitalist restoration and Marxist state theory

2024-09-20 Thread Marv Gandall
On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 08:50 AM, Charlie wrote: > > Marv Gandall wrote: > >> we no longer have even a flawed far left alternative comparable to the >> mass Communist parties of that earlier period > > Retire to Greece. Except you would not pose long there as som

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

2024-09-15 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sun, Sep 15, 2024 at 01:19 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > >> On Sep 14, 2024, at 12:37 PM, sartesian via groups.io >> wrote: >> >> I refuse to waste time responding to a person who has stated that >> socialism is dead and then spends hours on a list-serv in order to kill it >> all over again.

Re: [marxmail] China: On Stalinism, Capitalist Restoration and the Marxist State Theory

2024-09-15 Thread Marv Gandall
If Micheal Probsting’s thesis is correct - that capitalism has been peacefully restored in Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba, and every other 20th century society where the old order was overthrown by social revolution - -what has it all been for? What has resulted from these monumental social upheav

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

2024-09-14 Thread Marv Gandall
What *concretely* are *you* proposing, Artesian? What would you say to a radical activist in a swing state who has joined in solidarity with her pro-Democratic neighbours and workmates resisting a MAGA electoral takeover of the presidency and Congress? a)   Don't vote. There's no meaningful dif

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

2024-09-13 Thread Marv Gandall
[Edited Message Follows] [Reason: Added paragraph.] On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 03:25 PM, John Edmundson wrote: > > Yes, Trump's a demagogue and an arsehole. But is he really a fascist? As I > asked in my last message, is the American right actually ready to abandon > its beloved constitution for a

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

2024-09-13 Thread Marv Gandall
On Fri, Sep 13, 2024 at 03:25 PM, John Edmundson wrote: > > Yes, Trump's a demagogue and an arsehole. But is he really a fascist? As I > asked in my last message, is the American right actually ready to abandon > its beloved constitution for a fairground barker? My POV, John, expressed earlier t

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

2024-09-13 Thread Marv Gandall
The logic of the Lause/Artesian/Andrews triumvirate’s denunciation of the Democrats and their anti-socialist apologists like myself is to advocate abstention or voting for the Greens or perhaps even Charlie's Communist Workers Platform in a swing state like Pennsylvania which by all accounts cou

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

2024-09-13 Thread Marv Gandall
On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 10:18 PM, John Edmundson wrote: > > I would have thought "union backed", rather than "union-based". A slip. I've also taken to using "union-backed" as opposed to when the unions' proportionate weight in these parties mirrored their greater social and economic influence,

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

2024-09-12 Thread Marv Gandall
On Thu, Sep 12, 2024 at 07:09 PM, Michael Meeropol wrote: > > the percentage who believe us is miniscule -- OUR FAULT?  OBJECTIVE > REALITY?  I have no answer The divide on this list and the Marxist left generally has always been between those who believe supporting a “lesser evil” union-based

Re: [marxmail] "The Great Debate"

2024-09-12 Thread Marv Gandall
>From this morning's Politico newsletters, two post-debate items of special >interest to Marxmailers: 1) The Harris campaign’s pro-Ukraine ads and 2)  Wall >Street warms to Harris. * Why Harris allies are running Ukraine ads in Pennsylvania

Re: [marxmail] A Canadian communist puts multipolarista enthusiasm in its place

2024-09-11 Thread Marv Gandall
David,  I provided the links to to the websites of  those two journals to show their sympathetic treatment of China and Russia and overriding hostility to US imperialism and NATO.  I wasn't addressing the South China Sea question in particular and if, as you say, ML Today "leans against China's

Re: [marxmail] A Canadian communist puts multipolarista enthusiasm in its place

2024-09-11 Thread Marv Gandall
Hello David, My posiiton in a nutshell, as I’ve previously expressed it on the list: 1. The US is the sole power with a global network of military bases and alliances. They are primarily aimed at the encirclement of China and Russia with the intention of provoking regime change and the installa

Re: [marxmail] A Canadian communist puts multipolarista enthusiasm in its place

2024-09-11 Thread Marv Gandall
On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 09:10 AM, Charlie wrote: > > The Cariou article is by one person. It is not a statement by the CP > Canada, so don't try and your attempt to pull a switch. > Nor have you read the "ML Today comrades" with any comprehension. > > Canadian CP views of Ukraine and South Chi

Re: [marxmail] A Canadian communist puts multipolarista enthusiasm in its place

2024-09-11 Thread Marv Gandall
Good morning Michael, I recall supporting Vietnam against China in the 1974 border war, as most of us outside the Maoist orbit did, and it wouldn't concern me if China were today peacefully compelled to give up the territories seized from Vietnam and to surrender its claims against other states

Re: [marxmail] A Canadian communist puts multipolarista enthusiasm in its place

2024-09-10 Thread Marv Gandall
Replying to Charlie: You have until now rejected the position of the Canadian CP and your ML Today comrades that the US is the sole imperialist power and that neither Russia nor China can be characterized as such. In other words, where you see inter-imperialist rivalry between the three - a “mu

Re: [marxmail] A Canadian communist puts multipolarista enthusiasm in its place

2024-09-10 Thread Marv Gandall
I think discussion of Ukraine and China are both fraught, David, because it's clear that opinions have long been settled on both sides about both issues.  I only commented on Charlie's post because he clearly misunderstood where Cariou and the CP were coming from.  I'll reply to your question wi

Re: [marxmail] A Canadian communist puts multipolarista enthusiasm in its place

2024-09-10 Thread Marv Gandall
Passing strange that Charlie of all people should refer us to an article on multi-polarity by Kimball Cariou, a leading member of the Communist Party of Canada and former editor of People’s Voice, where the article first appeared. Charlie applauds how Cariou, “a Canadian communist puts multipola

Re: [marxmail] Is Trump Building an Army of Modern Blackshirts? | The Nation

2024-09-10 Thread Marv Gandall
On Tue, Sep 10, 2024 at 02:33 PM, David Walters wrote: > > The problem, Marv, is almost insurmountable. Despite everything you write > being true, the fact is it is possible to break the GOP monopoly in Texas > and their majority (not a monopoly, yet) in Florida. Of course that would > only benef

Re: [marxmail] Is Trump Building an Army of Modern Blackshirts? | The Nation

2024-09-10 Thread Marv Gandall
Notwithstanding John Reimann’s claim to have a more serious analysis of the facts based on Marxist theory, my impression is that it is still not yet clear whether Trump will be elected - we should have a better idea after tonight’s debate - and even more problematic whether he will be able to in

Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

2024-09-07 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sat, Sep 7, 2024 at 07:41 PM, Charlie wrote: > > Composer Michael Tippett "was certain in his belief – typical for a > Trotskyist of the day – that it was better to overturn the British Empire > than the German dictatorship. There have always been eccentric artists and intellectuals who embra

Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

2024-09-07 Thread Marv Gandall
My comments weren’t aimed at you, David, but apply to all of us who took sides in the Trotsky-Stalin debate. In retrospect, it’s been a purely theoretical exercise for our generation without any real political consequence. The differences between the two factions were urgent and immediate in the

Re: [marxmail] Some say China is not imperialist because it has no militaristic expantion

2024-09-07 Thread Marv Gandall
For myself, the debate between Stalinists and Trotskyists has a somewhat stale quality to it since we’ve effectively been thrown back to that much earlier pre-Bolshevik - indeed, pre-Marxist - period when socialism was an idea rather than the mass movement of the international working class whic

Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

2024-09-04 Thread Marv Gandall
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 03:41 PM, Mark Lause wrote: > > I have said repeatedly that they are different. God knows why since it > doesn't register. Perhaps because you repeatedly say things like this earlier today in berating those who support the Democrats against Trump: " They are co-religionis

Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

2024-09-04 Thread Marv Gandall
Lenin is long gone, but there may be more of his contemporary admirers who support Harris as the lesser evil against Trump than not.  I suppose it ultimately depends on whether one thinks Trump and his advisors would represent a qualitatively greater threat to labour and democratic rights and to

Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

2024-09-04 Thread Marv Gandall
Again, Mark, the Democrats only acquired the support of the AFL and CIO unions from the 1930's,  and it was only then that the CPUSA oriented to it in much the same way that Lenin and the CPGB earlier had towards the BLP.  There was never any question of relating to the Wilson administration whe

Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

2024-09-04 Thread Marv Gandall
On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 07:46 AM, Mark Lause wrote: > > No illusions, Marv. I think you are changing the subject without realizing > it.  That is, you seem to think that a working class party that doesn't > advocate the overthrow of capitalism is a "bourgeois" party Mark, I agree with much of wha

Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

2024-09-03 Thread Marv Gandall
With respect, Mark, you're harbouring  illusions about the old British Labour Party. Class and political consciousness everyhere was higher in the 1920’s then than it is now, and more so in Britain than in the US, but the ostensible commitment to “socialism” in the Sunday-speechifying of the LP

Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

2024-09-03 Thread Marv Gandall
On Tue, Sep 3, 2024 at 03:28 PM, Charles Rachlis wrote: > > So why would Debs, Lenin and Trotsky say its unprincipled to vote for the > Democrats... revolutionary Marxists start from what is objectively > necessary (we say what is) not from the backward consciousness of the > working class. But

Re: [marxmail] GOP operatives back Cornel West's candidacy in battleground states | AP News

2024-09-03 Thread Marv Gandall
My quadrennial election cycle questions for my American friends: 1. The issue of whether to support the Democrats only matters in a handful of swing states does it not? 2. Isn't there a danger that if a third party takes just enough swing state votes from the Democrats allowing Trump to win, th

Re: AW RE: [marxmail] Theses on World Perspectives: In the Midst of a Cycle of Wars and Revolutions

2024-09-01 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 03:22 PM, Michael Meeropol wrote: > > I bet there is an issue as to how much of one's "CLASS BIRTH" determines > one's consciousness even if you "climb" (or "fall") the ladder I think you're less inclined to stereotype the working class if you grew up with it, but in my c

Re: AW RE: [marxmail] Theses on World Perspectives: In the Midst of a Cycle of Wars and Revolutions

2024-09-01 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 12:54 PM, abraham Weizfeld PhD wrote: > > > > ‘’Pride’’, you speak of pride to a second-generation refugee Holocaust > survivor. You have to be kidding. > > > > Is it so difficult to recognize national oppression? That is equivalent to > Holocaust denial. > > > > Th

Re: [marxmail] Thesis on world perspectives...

2024-09-01 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 12:19 PM, Duane Filan wrote: > > What l hear you saying: 50 years after the second wave of feminism, it is > still a petty bourgeois movement that continues to divide the working > class. The movement has benefitted women of every class in combatting patriarchical attitud

Re: AW RE: [marxmail] Theses on World Perspectives: In the Midst of a Cycle of Wars and Revolutions

2024-09-01 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sun, Sep 1, 2024 at 10:53 AM, abraham Weizfeld PhD wrote: > > Of course Class is the determining factor although oppression is not > limited to class alone. We’re all in agreement that some workers are doubly and even triply oppressed by their race, gender, and sexual orientation, but the po

[marxmail] Israel recovers bodies of 6 hostages, including Hersh Goldberg-Polin - The Washington Post

2024-09-01 Thread Marv Gandall
The good news is that divisions within Israeli society bring the possibility of a ceasefire and an end to the genocide closer, but the uncritical acceptance that the hostages were executed by their captors rather than killed along with the tens and perhaps hundreds of thousands in Gaza by Israel

Re: AW RE: [marxmail] Theses on World Perspectives: In the Midst of a Cycle of Wars and Revolutions

2024-09-01 Thread Marv Gandall
If I were to only know only one thing about a person, their occupation - worker, professional, farmer, small business owner, etc. - would give me a better understanding of who they are than their ancestry, citizenship, religion, skin colour, or gender. Class location would tell me more about the

Re: [marxmail] Theses on World Perspectives: In the Midst of a Cycle of Wars and Revolutions

2024-08-30 Thread Marv Gandall
On Fri, Aug 30, 2024 at 02:35 PM, Duane Filan wrote: > > Of course, there were many complex reasons why worker militancy went into > retreat from the 1970s onwards, but the notion that this was due to all > those selfish, feminist and gays preoccupied with their identitarian > agenda is ridiculou

Re: [marxmail] Theses on World Perspectives: In the Midst of a Cycle of Wars and Revolutions

2024-08-28 Thread Marv Gandall
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 04:56 AM, Michael Meeropol wrote: > > So what makes me Jewish?   First and foremost, I call myself Jewish --- > > But in the end, I think what makes me (and many other non-observant Jews) > Jewish is anti-semitism. > > To be clear, Michael, I support the right of every

Re: [marxmail] Theses on World Perspectives: In the Midst of a Cycle of Wars and Revolutions

2024-08-27 Thread Marv Gandall
On Tue, Aug 27, 2024 at 06:47 PM, abraham Weizfeld PhD wrote: > > There were a number of tendencies that also considered the Jewish People > to be a Nation... See the study on the Antisemitism of the II Int... Other > tendencies also considered the Jewish People to be a Nation; Bundist, > Deutsch

Re: [marxmail] Theses on World Perspectives: In the Midst of a Cycle of Wars and Revolutions

2024-08-27 Thread Marv Gandall
Abrahim, a quick Google search indicates that the Zionists inextricably tie the dubious notion of a “Jewish people-nation” to Israel. The writer relies on scripture -  metaphysics, not materialism - as you also appear to do in citing the Book of Samuel in defence of your position. https://www.n

Re: [marxmail] Theses on World Perspectives: In the Midst of a Cycle of Wars and Revolutions

2024-08-27 Thread Marv Gandall
[Edited Message Follows] [Reason: Spelling errors.] I understand Judaism to be a world religion. I believe there was a Yiddish-speaking community with a common history and culture concentrated in Eastern Europe which corresponded to the modern definition of a nation. Arguably, a Hebrew-speakin

Re: [marxmail] Theses on World Perspectives: In the Midst of a Cycle of Wars and Revolutions

2024-08-27 Thread Marv Gandall
I understand Judaism to be a world religion. I believe there was a Yiddish-speaking community with a common history and culture concentrated in Eastern Europe which corresponded to the modern definition of a nation. Arguably, a Hebrew-speaking nation was formed in Palestine by settlers mainly

Re: [marxmail] Thinking the unthinkable

2024-08-26 Thread Marv Gandall
Good points all about then and now, Hari, and I found your survey of Bangladeshi history and the complex interplay between the contending social, national, and imperialist forces informative and interesting. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. V

Re: [marxmail] Trump, Harris and the collapse of US neoliberalism

2024-08-19 Thread Marv Gandall
On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 01:05 PM, hari kumar wrote: > > In Canada or example almost all the food distributors are all owned by one > gentleman - Galen Weston. At least as far as I understand it, and this > monopoly has assisted - gouging. *

Re: [marxmail] Saudi Crown Prince fears Assassination if he Recognizes Israel without getting a Palestinian State

2024-08-18 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sat, Aug 17, 2024 at 08:23 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > Rashid Khalidi discussed the problems of building the Palestinian > liberation movement in a recent interview with Tariq Ali, > https://newleftreview.org/issues/ii147/articles/the-neck-and-the-sword > . The entire lengthy interview is wo

Re: [marxmail] Saudi Crown Prince fears Assassination if he Recognizes Israel without getting a Palestinian State

2024-08-17 Thread Marv Gandall
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Re: [marxmail] Wall Street is all in on Kamala Harris

2024-08-14 Thread Marv Gandall
On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 09:00 AM, Michael Meeropol wrote: > > the "established" business leaders are probably (my opinion -- uncertainty > here!) a bit worried about the incredible aggressiveness of the Musks and > Peter Thiels of the billionaire class I may have previously copied an excellent a

[marxmail] Wall Street is all in on Kamala Harris

2024-08-14 Thread Marv Gandall
No surprise here. Harris, along with her running mate Tim Walz, are shrewdly running a left populist campaign to cut into Trump’s working class base and the Republicans are trying to paint the duo as far left radicals. But as this CNBC video interview makes clear, she is not unknown to Wall Stre

Re: [marxmail] Can the Republicans steal the election?

2024-08-10 Thread Marv Gandall
On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 10:55 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > The question is how to pressure a president and party to get outcomes we > want. Thanks, Mark. I know from my own past experience in Canada that for every union militant or movement activist who quickly aligned with our views, a hundred

Re: [marxmail] Can the Republicans steal the election?

2024-08-09 Thread Marv Gandall
On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 04:17 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > If it's between building a movement to preserve our present electoral > arrangements or building a movement against US genocide in Gaza, I'm > putting my time into the latter. Is there a contradiction between the two? Only a very small per

Re: [marxmail] Don't support Jill Stein for president: a reply to Howie Hawkins

2024-08-08 Thread Marv Gandall
I understand the electoral dilemma facing US Marxists, evident on this list, about whether to support a party which represents the domestic constituencies they need to attract but which acts as an agent of US imperialism to oppress the same constituencies which they support abroad. To a lesser d

Re: [marxmail] Don't support Jill Stein for president: a reply to Howie Hawkins

2024-08-07 Thread Marv Gandall
My impression from just across the border: The gulf between the two parties has become quite wide reflecting the antagonism between the social forces each party represents - the liberal bourgeoisie and diverse urban working class in the case of the Democrats versus the mainly petty bourgeois an

Re: [marxmail] Lenin on Serbia's Role in World War I: A useful Analogy for the current Ukraine War?

2024-08-04 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 11:33 AM, Richard Fidler wrote: > > Many of these contradictions are excellently portrayed in the popular > French TV narrative “Un Village Français” (A French Village), its hundred > episodes in eight series (!) created in large part by Frédéric Krivine, a > scion of the K

Re: [marxmail] Venezuela: the end game?: Michael Roberts

2024-07-30 Thread Marv Gandall
Hi Hari, It won’t come as a surprise that I don’t share your understanding of Soviet history nor your view that the Cuban revolution replaced the old capitalist and landlord ruling class tied to US imperialism with a new nationalist and anti-imperialist bourgeois ruling class led by Castro and

Re: [marxmail] Venezuela: the end game?: Michael Roberts

2024-07-29 Thread Marv Gandall
Hi Hari, Hope this isn’t beginning to sound like an interrogation, but it is only because I very much respect you as a serious Marxist intellectual and activist that I want to probe your (IMO, idiosyncratic) political views further. I expect the subject is also of interest to others who have be

Re: [marxmail] Venezuela: the end game?: Michael Roberts

2024-07-29 Thread Marv Gandall
Thanks for the links, Michael.  Cuba's Diaz-Canel, Nicaragua's Ortega, and Bolivia's Arce  have congratulated Maduro on his announced victory.  Brazil's Lula, Colombia's Boric, and  the new Mexican president Sheinbaum have reportedly joined in calls for the government to release all ballot recor

Re: [marxmail] Venezuela: the end game?: Michael Roberts

2024-07-29 Thread Marv Gandall
Thanks for clarifying, Hari. If I seemed confused about your position, it’s because I’ve only always viewed it from the outside. I agree with you that a major benefit of this list is to get to know and better understand other perspectives, whether we ultimately come to agree with them or not, an

Re: [marxmail] A reprint from a 1906 critique by Jewish socialists

2024-07-28 Thread Marv Gandall
Thanks, Hari. Very useful article to circulate within the Palestine solidarity movement. Anticipating that the logic of Zionist socialism would necessarily mean the exclusion of  the indigenous Palestinian Arab commnity from the settlers' agrarian collectives (kibbutzim) and  their trade unions

Re: [marxmail] Venezuela: the end game?: Michael Roberts

2024-07-28 Thread Marv Gandall
Could you kindly elaborate further, Hari? I’m not clear on what lesson you draw from the Venezuelan experience. On the one hand, you endorse the Leninist concept that there is “no iron wall" between the national democratic and socialist stages of a victorious revolution, which I understand to b

Re: [marxmail] Trump's China policy: Asia Times

2024-07-19 Thread Marv Gandall
[Edited Message Follows] [Reason: Spelling.] On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 01:40 PM, Charlie wrote: > > The contradiction between U.S. and PRC imperialism is antagonistic and > will become more antagonistic. The only good thing about it is that it > will present the opportunity to achieve real peace t

Re: [marxmail] Trump's China policy: Asia Times

2024-07-19 Thread Marv Gandall
On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 01:40 PM, Charlie wrote: > > The contradiction between U.S. and PRC imperialism is antagonistic and > will become more antagonistic. The only good thing about it is that it > will present the opportunity to achieve real peace through revolution. But > you have to get ready

[marxmail] Trump's China policy: Asia Times

2024-07-18 Thread Marv Gandall
Many Republican economic and military strategists want to confront China even more aggressively than the Biden administration, but the Asia Times conservative commentator David Goldman says the US is in no position to do so and that Trump is well aware of it.. "No expeditionary force 6,000 mil

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-14 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 08:58 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > >> Charlie wrote: >> >> Taking the heads of major trade unions as representing the state of class >> consciousness?!!! > > Weren't they elected? Yes, though some are first appointed as staff reps eligible to run for elected office hig

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-13 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 02:03 PM, Charlie wrote: > > Marv Gandall wrote: > >> Such is the current state of working class political consciousness in the >> US and other advanced capitalist countries. > > Taking the heads of major trade unions as representing the sta

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-13 Thread Marv Gandall
[Edited Message Follows] [Reason: Editorial changes,] The Teamsters’ Sean (as in O’Brien) makes the UAW’s Shawn (as in Fain) look like Big Bill Haywood by comparison. O’Brien, it will be recalled, won the Teamsters’ presidency in 2021 with the support of the Teamsters for a Democratic Union aga

Re: [marxmail] government attack on UAW/Fain for Gaza ceasefire call

2024-07-13 Thread Marv Gandall
The Tramsters’ Sean (as in O’Brien) makes the UAW’s Shawn (as in Fain) look like Big Bill Haywood by comparison. O’Brien, it will be recalled. won the Teamsters’ presidency in 2021 with the support of the Teamsters for a Democratic Union against the candidate favoured by the pro-Hoffa establishm

Re: [marxmail] It heats up - threats from Trumpites

2024-07-11 Thread Marv Gandall
If I lived in the States and were approached by liberals in the Democratic Party, trade unions, BIPOC, LBGTQ, women’s and other mass movements about working together to reform the undemocratic Electoral College and the Supreme Court and to defend existing democratic rights against attack by the

Re: [marxmail] Jeffrey Sachs on Russia's conditions for ending the war

2024-06-23 Thread Marv Gandall
[Edited Message Follows] Chris, I also drew on the example of  East Timor earlier on this thread.   However, I believe it was international pressure led by Australia more than a   democratic upsurge in Indonesia which persuaded the Indonesians to accept a referendum. The same international press

Re: [marxmail] Jeffrey Sachs on Russia's conditions for ending the war

2024-06-23 Thread Marv Gandall
Chris, I also drew on the example of  East Timor earlier on this thread.   However, I believe it was international pressure led by Australia more than a   democratic upsurge in Indonesia which persuaded the Indonesians to accept a referendum. The same international pressure on both parties is nee

Re: [marxmail] Jeffrey Sachs on Russia's conditions for ending the war

2024-06-23 Thread Marv Gandall
You have made you position clear many times before, Michael, and I’m well acquainted with it. You're very confident that the eastern regions and Crimea would resoundingly vote to remain in Ukraine if there were an internationally-supervised referendum, but you're resolutely opposed to Ukraine p

Re: [marxmail] Jeffrey Sachs on Russia's conditions for ending the war

2024-06-23 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 09:30 PM, Charlie wrote: > > Stalin’s “faceless hordes"...Sounds like just the guy from whom to seek > political guidance. I don't know Hill's politics, His insulting characterization of the Red Army soldiers who defeated Hitler would accord with the sentiments of the la

Re: [marxmail] Jeffrey Sachs on Russia's conditions for ending the war

2024-06-22 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 11:08 AM, abraham Weizfeld PhD wrote: > > Using Jeffery Sachs as a punching bag to defeat the national liberation > struggle of Donetsk and Lugansk, is a negation of National Identity. I would like to see the Ukrainians couple the demand for a Russian withdrawal from the

Re: [marxmail] Jeffrey Sachs on Russia's conditions for ending the war

2024-06-22 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 12:21 PM, Charlie wrote: > > Can Marv ever lay out a rational argument? I try my best, Charlie. :) > > Stuffing unsupported conclusions into passing phrases achieves nothing. Serious question: are you aware of having broken with the line of your M-List co-thinkers who

Re: [marxmail] Jeffrey Sachs on Russia's conditions for ending the war

2024-06-22 Thread Marv Gandall
Sachs has accurately grasped the Russian negotiating position which will likely be reflected in a settlement if the war ends short of a nuclear confrontation. His survey of NATO’s steady encroachment on Russia’s borders which provoked the invasion is also very good if mostly well known. In reply

[marxmail] Jeffrey Sachs on Russia's conditions for ending the war

2024-06-22 Thread Marv Gandall
"There are three core issues for Russia”, Sachs says: "Ukraine’s neutrality (non-NATO enlargement), Crimea remaining in Russian hands, and boundary changes in Eastern and Southern Ukraine. The first two are almost surely non-negotiable. The end of NATO enlargement is the fundamental casus belli.

[marxmail] Micheal Roberts on the stagnant Western economies

2024-06-19 Thread Marv Gandall
Michael Roberts up to his usual standard, analyzing the World Bank’s economic outlook for 2024-25. Roberts' reference to the widespread and increasing incidence of part-time work points to why union organizing is so much more difficult in today’s fragmented and precarious service-based economy

Re: [marxmail] China's rise

2024-06-17 Thread Marv Gandall
Some background reading for Charlie: https://mltoday.com/?s=China -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#30807): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/30807 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/106728659/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES

Re: [marxmail] China's rise

2024-06-17 Thread Marv Gandall
I admit to being somewhat agnostic about how to characterize present day China. Describing it as a deformed workers’ state, as I once did, sounds archaic today, not so much because the working class is not in control of the economy and political system - it never was  - but because of the restor

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