Howdy -
Does this model have hydraulic / self-adjusting valves?
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D 2.5 Turbo - tomorrow!)
A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net
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http://members
http://skinnerbox.steaky.org/Service/W124/Index/602_603index.html
Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (210k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
At 07:03 PM 2/17/2006 -0500, you wrote:
Howdy -
Does this model have hydraulic / self-adjusting valves?
Yes, 60x all have hydraulic tappets.
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Cheers-
William "Chip" Lamb
West of Sweden SAAB
Richmond, VA.
http://www.wmsbrg.com/sweden/
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Yes, the pneumatic adjusters didn't quite pan out. As stated before,
use synthetic oils.
On 2/17/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Howdy -
> Does this model have hydraulic / self-adjusting valves?
Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD
Yes, Larry - no valve periodic adjustments needed. The down side is that
you don't get the "free look" at the timing chain as you would on a 617! In
my case, the valve cover hasn't been off in 221k miles!
Werner
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Bob - my experience with Diesel MBs is that if they are in good condition,
they will only use a quart every 3-5k miles (or so). If more than that,
look for leaks. If no leaks and the consumption is greater than above, then
Dino probably makes economic sense in moderate to warm climates, IMO.
Not sure why, but the POS SDL liked to do that. Ended up selling the
car to Kaleb.
On Thursday, February 16, 2006, at 08:25 PM, OK Don wrote:
We drove to Albuquerque from OKC today - just got here. After the
final ten miles at only 65mph, I pulled off I-40 at my exit, came to a
stop light, wh
Geez! 221k without checking the timing chain? That's a lnng time on
one TC - I think.
I did notice how it got quieter as it warmed up.. I;m going to pick it up
tomorrow - then I can go thru everything and see what I have. The seller is
going to get the records together - and this is
$800?!? Dude, this is the Northwest, and don't forget that I
"converted" the car over to run on biodiesel, and have the sticker to
prove it. This baby's going up on CL and Ebay, and I'm not settling
for less than $6K! It's not just biodiesel ready, it's already living
the dream, baby!
Yeee haww
Original post:
archer wrote:
My wifes '83 240D clutch won't release.
---
Many thanks to John, Larry, Mitch, and Steve (hope I didn't miss anyone) for
your suggestions about the clutch.
Trying the easiest fixes first, I rolled the car out of the garage, started
the en
I love to watch my FiL screw with his boat. Just smile and have happy
thoughts while he berates Gump. The poor fool built one himself and
has spent the past two years attempting to sell it. No takers because
it looks like it was a class project in wood shop on the inside.
Upgraded to a 42 f
RAMEN! His noodly goodness will touch you and provide you with
knowledge in the Factory manuals, since the Haynes books are not that
great
On Friday, February 17, 2006, at 11:28 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Howdy --
I always buy manuals for my car - do I need the Mercedes Factory
Manual
Hi all,
I cleaned the evaporator on my 300E recently, after doing the same job
on my 300D a month earlier. I had previously cleaned this evaporator
with a brush and vacuum, as one half was so filthy I don't know if any
air was actually flowing through! I figured that since I had to pull
the wiper
what cleaner did you use?
James Zavesky
- Original Message -
From: "Dave M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Photos of W124 evaporator cleaning
> Hi all,
>
> I cleaned the evaporator on my 30
Rusty told me once that the monarchs glow hotter that bosch/buru which
would lead to them burning out quicker I guess. Seems he said they were
good for worn out engines??? Dont know, thats just what the man said.
Marshall Booth wrote:
Gary Hurst wrote:
i'm not a big fan of bosch overall,
there ya go
Gary Hurst wrote:
monark plugs are short lived and cheap. but they glow hot. i wouldn't
consider keeping them in for 3 years
the traditional winning combination for starting a very worn engine in very
cold weather was monark plugs and an iskra starter. both junk. low
quality.
shutoff diaphram leaking and sucking oil.
Christopher McCann wrote:
A few observations:
1. there is oil in both vacuum lines going to the ignition
2. the oil dripped on the lower plastic panel
3. the oil dripped onto the carpet
4. the car will not turn off with the key unless while
Hi everyone,
Hopefully I will find a car soon, but could someone please get a carfax for
me on:
wdbeb31e1sc213826
Thank you very much in advance!
Chase M. K.
Jim,
Thanks for the thorough reply and thanks to everyone else who responded.
Vacuum shutoff being replaced pronto...among following up with suggestions
below.
Chris
Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. there is oil in both vacuum lines
going to the ignition
Vacuum shutof
Rob if I may, my theory
"Tom brings up a point I've often wondered about.
Let's say your pig does burn a lot of oil. How reasonable is it to use
costly synthetic vice dino juice...since neither is staying in the engine
very long?"
I figure the surface to surface real time lubrication that i
Well, it performed flawlessly today - around Albuquerque with a max
speed of 45. we spent the day touring the university and visiting the
mechanical engineering department. I'll take a closer look tomorrow.
I'm thinking a questionable tank of fuel, probably froma small station
in Tucumcari.
On 2/1
Tucumcari
Jimmie Rodgers
Twelve more miles to Tucumcari
I've been hurrying there
To the gal I'm gonna marry
With the yellowest hair
{Left right march along
I've just gotta get home} (just gotta get home)
Ten more miles to Tucumcari
Then I'll never more roam
(Tucumcari, Tucumcari, I just gotta get
Thanks, I needed that
On 2/17/06, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tucumcari
> Jimmie Rodgers
>
> Twelve more miles to Tucumcari
> I've been hurrying there
> To the gal I'm gonna marry
> With the yellowest hair
>
> {Left right march along
> I've just gotta get home} (just gotta get home
It's a long, long way to Tucumcari...
-- Jim
Kaleb,
Thanks for the link, nice group of people indeed.
So, which one are you, the one with reddish~brownish hair!? I apologize if
that was not you, it is just that gentleman looked like a Kaleb to me.
Also, I failed to spot the sleepless gentleman (AKA LT Don)! Not one of the
pictured attendees
Hahahahahahaha! It's amazing the claims of MPG and of money spent to
convert to biodiesel when all it takes is viton fuel lines and only when
running B100. One is better off hunting in the Southwest or just about
anywhere other than the rust belt for a good MB diesel at a reasonable
price.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> swine,
> How ya been? There is a rubber seal on some injectors between the 2
> halves of the body, I pulled one out of a 1982 300CD and tossed in a
> later one no more leak. IIRC 83 up had a taper.
>
> Johnny B.
> I Mac Therefore I am
Berryman, long time you go away.
I also, noticed someone was using a tow dolly, how safe/unsafe are they
compared to a car trailer and is one easier to handle/backup than the
other?
They're plenty safe, so far as I know. You basically cannot back them
up, unless you're quite good at it. It's really two trailers in a row
you'
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:52:12 -0600 "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, it performed flawlessly today - around Albuquerque with a max
> speed of 45. we spent the day touring the university and visiting the
> mechanical engineering department. I'll take a closer look tomorrow.
> I'm thinking
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1987-Mercedes-Benz-300SDL-LOW-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ4613254600QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
---
Craig McCluskey
Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 221 kmi
Past: 1964 190Dc
1972 220D/8
1972 220/8
1987 190E/2.3
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Craig
I finally got all the interior lights on the 82 300CD replaced. New glow plug
in #1, engine starting great. ACC working perfectly. New wipers. Radio
playing again. Everything cleaned up.
And then it gets totalled. Sandwiched between a van and a pickup. Only a
small knot on the bac
Jim Cathey wrote:
There is basically nothing made that I know of that can have an
automatic tranny and be towed any significant distance or speed
with the driven wheels down, _unless_ it has a transfer case with
a Neutral setting.
Geo Trakkers were popular to tow behind motorhomes for quite a w
water in fuel maybe? clogged separator?
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL 108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata
-Original Message-
From: redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:25:50 -0800
Subject:
James,
I used Nu-Calgon Evap Foam, from the local HVAC wholesaler for about
$7 per can. One can will clean two evaporators, foaming them down
maybe a half-dozen times each. A little goes a long way with this
stuff. I used a garden sprayer with water to rinse it out, although
they claim it's not re
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:46:46 -0700, you wrote:
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1992-Mercedes-Benz-300D-2-5-EURO-Diesel-RARE_W0QQitemZ4614223685QQcategoryZ6335QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
BRAND NEW HANKOOK Performance 16" Tires on Original 15" Mercedes-Benz
Wheels !
Must help the fuel milage ??
-
On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:50:49 -0800, you wrote:
>> I also, noticed someone was using a tow dolly, how safe/unsafe are they
>> compared to a car trailer and is one easier to handle/backup than the
>> other?
>
I'd think our cars could be towed 4 down as our trannys have rear
pumps to lube the gearbo
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-300-SD-AMG-Turbo-DIESEL-GoRgEoUs_W0QQitemZ4614368041QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
or
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W2C052AAC
I really like the grill, where can I get one like that... ha ha ha!
Bob D.
Well, its 12 degrees outside. The 6.2 diesel suburban fired right up
with 1 glow, we have a inch of ice on the roads followed by 2 inches of
snow. Didnt even try to fire up the 300D as its front tires are about
worn out and didnt want to drive it on icy roads. Now if the burb was
only 4 whee
Gerry,
If the clutch plate is stuck to the fly wheel try jacking the back end up
enough to get the tires off the ground. Start the engine with the car in gear
and step on the brakes. (I had to do this more than once with an old Chevy
truck.)
I wonder if the pressure plate is failing since th
I use a tow dolly all of the time. They work great even at highway
speed.Just DON'T try to back one up.NOT fun..Mike
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From: "Peter T. Arnold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 6:19 AM
that's just auto abuse. But at least he hasn't done an engine transplant,
where he replaced the 3.0L I5 with a 5.0L Mustang engine ...
On 2/18/06, Bob DuPuy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-300-SD-AMG-Turbo-DIESEL-GoRgEoUs_W0QQitemZ4614368041QQcategoryZ6330
Having similar symptoms with our 82TDt. They are being caused by the vacuum
shut off system. If I pull the vacuum line off it runs just fine.
Richard Murdoch
82 240D
82 300TDt
>
> From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2006/02/17 Fri PM 10:15:26 EST
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL
This may put me in the criminal category but I can't wait to simulate a AMG
to a W123 diesel.
Tastefully, of course.
They did merely pretty some up, so it's not a total poser move.
Diesel greatness with a little extra sporty style? Best of both worlds!
Vince
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V Layton wrote:
This may put me in the criminal category but I can't wait to simulate a
AMG to a W123 diesel.
Tastefully, of course.
They did merely pretty some up, so it's not a total poser move.
Diesel greatness with a little extra sporty style? Best of both worlds!
Now you're talking! V
I'd think our cars could be towed 4 down as our trannys have rear
pumps to lube the gearbox. Most Saturn's can be towed 4 down, very
popular with motor home crowd for that reason.
I've heard that about Saturns, but never verified this. For
whatever reason, even though our pre-mid-90's MB's do
On Friday, February 17, 2006, at 06:27 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote:
Tom brings up a point I've often wondered about.
Let's say your pig does burn a lot of oil. How reasonable is it to use
costly synthetic vice dino juice...since neither is staying in the
engine
very long?
Bob Rentfro
That'
Oh MAN! How am I ever going to be able to drive my 240D again after that
300D?? It's SO FREAKIN QUIET!! I'm in LOVE!! ;-) Smooth, starts
instantly, everything works! I even figured out the little button next to
the seat adjusting levers that raise & lower the front seat headrest! So
cooo
The button with the circle of arrows is the air recirculation button. The
headrests in the back are manually raised and lock into place, but the
button in front is to lower them only.
Also, which toggle on the console?
Owner's manual - ebay, junkyards.
My only issue is that it's really cold out
Larry,
As for an Owner's Manual. You can order one thru a dealership..
Should be about $25 and takes a couple of weeks. Of course, if you
can find one for less... Go for it.
Congrats on the new wheels... Sounds great and I can hear the
OOOHHH's out here..!
Take c
On Friday, February 17, 2006, at 06:46 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Do any aftermarket vendors sell them?
Guess I can check Hemmings ---
Thanks again for the info -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB)
I've dealt with Jeff ay TMC Publications for literature in the past.
Nice guy, ve
On Friday, February 17, 2006, at 07:03 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Howdy -
Does this model have hydraulic / self-adjusting valves?
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D 2.5 Turbo - tomorrow!)
Yes indeed it does.
Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
My 1992 300D needs some maintenance work. A few questions, if you don't
mind.
1) When checking ATF level, the maintenance manual says to shift to P, run
engine for 1 to 2 minutes, and check the fluid level. While checking,
should the engine be running? I ask because there's another line that s
Bob,
If it's leaks that are of concern, I changed brand of oil last
September in the '80 300SD. I'm now using Castrol Tection Extra
15W-40 and have found it has significantly reduced drips/leakage. I
imagine there is an additive that swells the seals.
Just a FWIW... Burning lots of
Larry - you need to be more specific on the "toggle on the console". I'm
sure we can tell you what each switch does, if we know which one you are
wondering about.
As for the rear headrests, they pull up manually, and the console switch
drops them for improved rear visibility. And where is this
Sunil - the engine should be running, in park, and the transmission
thoroughly warmed up when checking the fluid level.
As for the PS fluid, some people take the extra trouble to try and get all
the old oil out, but you don't do that when changing the engine oil (its
nigh impossible to drain the
On Friday, February 17, 2006, at 11:37 PM, Steve MacSween wrote:
Berryman, long time you go away nice to see you back in the
neighbourhood.
Thanks Steve.
It stopped as fast as it started. Today it seems fine. Odd.
Don't ya just hate intermittent problems.
Okay, so th
That toggle switch might be for the passenger side mirror. Manuals can
be had on Ebay or call MBUSA for a new one.
Larry, why are your diesels running so cold? Diesels need to run
warmer than what you have indicated.
Sounds like a great car...what color is it?
On 2/18/06, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL
On Saturday, February 18, 2006, at 11:21 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
and the coolant temp
stays a 1/4" or so below the 80C mark.
It should run at least 80C. May have a bad thermostat or corroded
sender connection.
Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
No, but I love it! That engine work is way out of my league, but I know
enough that what I'm looking at poses a million questions.
South Lindbergh? OMG I remember doing that in high school a couple times!
Don't think we got the full benefit of it though, just seemed like a big
traffic jam i
Thanks! I'll check it out. A new t'stat is easy enough and will allow me
to peek at the coolant. I'll probably flush it and replace with the MB stuff
when the weather warms a little.
Thanks again,
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net
Thanks-- I'll check the t stat - also - the toggle in on the center
console - between the front window switches. It's pretty loose - flops from
side to side. It's probably for the right side mirror as you suggest - the
drivers side is manually set.
I'll check ebay for a manual --
Thanks!
Si
Hi John,
Id forgotten about TMC - it;s run by a guy named Roger if it;s the same
place. Was *big* into literature. I bought my 72 280SE 4.5 from him -
picked it up the same weekend that Nicklaus won the masters for the last
time. I was driving it home and missed it. Oh well. Roger used to
$150 is pretty good for an engine! If it runs, that's even better. There
are a few PNP yards within 20 miles of my house, so if things get bad with
this little 220D engine, I'll certainly be checking into that.
Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
1973 220D project
In a message dated 2/17/2006 10:50:05 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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QQitemZ4614223685QQcategoryZ6335QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I wonder how they got those 16 inch tires on the 15inch rims.
That car isn't only "rare", its also a much slower - any small normally
aspirated Diesel engine in a heavy car is not a good idea, especially once
you've had a "turbo" experience!
Werner
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 18
Just started it again today and paid attention to the oil pressure. Let
it run for about 10-15 seconds, and the oil pressure never moved off of
zero. Ran the RPM's up to about 2k, and nothing. Could this be the
reason 10 years ago they thought there was a hole in the block, no oil
pressu
If you've run that now a few times (and rev'd it up to boot) with no oil
pressure, the engine is probably toast. The knocking sound could be almost
anything flailing around inside the engine if the lubrication has failed.
Of course, it could be a failure of the sensor/indicator for oil pressure,
Mac -
It is also good practice to put a line filter in the vacuum line. It looks
kinda like a inline paper element fuel filter. If the paper starts to turn
black then you know that oil is present and you can fix it before the vacuum
lines get contaminated again. I bet Marshall even has the part num
You may be referring to a hat switch with a little arrow on top. Outside
mirrors.
RLE
You wrote:<,need to be more specific on the "toggle on the console>>>
I checked Rusty's site and confirmed it's the passenger side mirror
adjusting control. Will get a new one.
Also, you said:
Thanks! Yep, that's it - someone suggested that might be it and when I
checked it out on Rustys site I found a match.
Thanks again -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net
For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
Weber Carb Stuf
could be that the PO just disconnected the oil pressure line goign to the
dash ...
On 2/18/06, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If you've run that now a few times (and rev'd it up to boot) with no oil
> pressure, the engine is probably toast. The knocking sound could be
> almost
> a
Just started it again today and paid attention to the oil pressure.
Let
it run for about 10-15 seconds, and the oil pressure never moved off of
zero. Ran the RPM's up to about 2k, and nothing. Could this be the
reason 10 years ago they thought there was a hole in the block, no oil
pressure? C
I wonder how they got those 16 inch tires on the 15inch rims.
Loosely, my boy, loosely! Or perhaps the screwed cans of
urethane foam to the valve stems rather than fix-a-flat?
-- Jim
And if oil isn't pouring in, how hard is it to replace an oil pump?
On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:11:27 -0600, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Just started it again today and paid attention to the oil pressure.
Let
it run for about 10-15 seconds, and the oil pressure never moved off of
zero. Ra
5 degrees this morning and my 1981 300SD did not start. And I did not plug it
last night. So I plugged it in and put it on the charger and cranked and
cranked to no avail. I then looked for help and found this site. I like it
and thought some of you may like it as well.
It is a simple, str
Howdy -
I can't find the emails Rusty sent out containing the special prices on W124
parts. Does anyone know if the Special Prices are reflected in his internet
pages? Or should I call him?
TIA -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, '91 300D Turbo)
A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.n
Call him on Monday. You won't find it on his web site.
On 2/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Howdy -
> I can't find the emails Rusty sent out containing the special prices on
> W124
> parts. Does anyone know if the Special Prices are reflected in his
> internet
> pages? Or
oh yea!!!
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Howdy -
Took a quick look at the engine a little while ago - the main fuel filter
looks like a tight fit. Is it a PITA or easier than it looks?
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net
For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
Webe
the 123 has mechanical guage, so if its not showing anything, it really
doesnt have anything. Did you check the oil level?
Werner Fehlauer wrote:
If you've run that now a few times (and rev'd it up to boot) with no oil
pressure, the engine is probably toast. The knocking sound could be almos
you should call him. I do know the prices on teh web site were just
lowered, aLOT in the last couple of days.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Howdy -
I can't find the emails Rusty sent out containing the special prices on W124
parts. Does anyone know if the Special Prices are reflected in his inte
Original Message
Subject:124 Wagon hydraulic suspension
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:21:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Real Estate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kaleb,
I am away working on the 300TE I bought. Would you please post this
message to the list?
I just changed it - it's a royal PITA. I ended up taking off the top
radiator hose, loosening the hard plastic vacuum line running from the brake
booster and moving it, and it was STILL a bitch to get the old filter out.
Diesel spilled everywhere, it was a wreck.
Did I mention that it's 13 F outs
Can anyone tell me where the trigger is for the coil on the M103 3 liter
engine? 88 300TE. When manually triggering, we have a weak spark. I'd like
to check to see the coil is being triggered. If the trigger is working, I
htink the coil may be the probalem. The primary circuit resistance is
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