[MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread Alex Chamberlain
Here's a CL seller who seems to know what he's talking about for once: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html ACC problems fixed presumably for good with the Unwired kit, new $$$ window seals... sounds like a good deal even for $4K if there's no rust. Alex

Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread WILTON
One of you guys better snap it up. Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:15 AM Subject: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD Here's a CL seller who seems to know

Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread Randy Bennell
On 24/02/2012 8:15 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Here's a CL seller who seems to know what he's talking about for once: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html ACC problems fixed presumably for good with the Unwired kit, new $$$ window seals... sounds like a good deal even for $4K

Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.

2012-02-24 Thread Curt Raymond
I suspect this is a non-starter for the high-end cars. Who takes their $100,000 Tesla to the airport? When the lower cost mommy-mobiles hit the street it'll be a different story I'm sure. -Curt Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:36:04 -0500 From: Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com To: Mercedes

[MBZ] slow list

2012-02-24 Thread Randy Bennell
Slow list today. Anyone out there? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] slow list

2012-02-24 Thread Russ Williams
Not out there But I am Here . :-D Russ W. On 2/24/2012 11:31 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: Slow list today. Anyone out there? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Feb 24, 2012 8:59 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 24/02/2012 8:15 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Here's a CL seller who seems to know what he's talking about for once: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html So, is this still NA or is it a turbo? NA, about

Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.

2012-02-24 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: I suspect this is a non-starter for the high-end cars. Who takes their $100,000 Tesla to the airport? When the lower cost mommy-mobiles hit the street it'll be a different story I'm sure. I think the opposite. The middle class drives their cars daily or at least weekly.

Re: [MBZ] Don't let your Tesla battery discharge. It's dead, Jim.

2012-02-24 Thread Rich Thomas
I use mine --R On 2/24/12 1:32 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: I suspect this is a non-starter for the high-end cars. Who takes their $100,000 Tesla to the airport? When the lower cost mommy-mobiles hit the street it'll be a different story I'm sure. I think the opposite. The

Re: [MBZ] slow list

2012-02-24 Thread Rick Knoble
On Feb 24, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Slow list today. Anyone out there? You asked... Random musings... Delete at your discretion. I will be out changing glow plugs in a few. The price of regular gas is finally above the price of diesel around here.

Re: [MBZ] slow list

2012-02-24 Thread Randy Bennell
You might be here to you, but to me, you are there. Randy On 24/02/2012 12:02 PM, Russ Williams wrote: Not out there But I am Here . :-D Russ W. On 2/24/2012 11:31 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: Slow list today. Anyone out there? Randy ___

Re: [MBZ] slow list

2012-02-24 Thread Randy Bennell
On 24/02/2012 1:15 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Feb 24, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Slow list today. Anyone out there? You asked... Random musings... Delete at your discretion. I will be out changing glow plugs in a few. The price of regular gas is finally

[MBZ] Old film -- Donald Campbell Killed in 297mph Lake District Crash

2012-02-24 Thread Rich Thomas
This guy was a Real Man! -_R https://britishpathe.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/on-this-day-donald-campbell-killed-in-297mph-lake-district-crash/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

[MBZ] OT Ferrari pR0n film

2012-02-24 Thread Rich Thomas
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=1_kwxzU4wL4vq=medium --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread Randy Bennell
On 24/02/2012 12:11 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Feb 24, 2012 8:59 AM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 24/02/2012 8:15 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Here's a CL seller who seems to know what he's talking about for once: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html So,

Re: [MBZ] slow list

2012-02-24 Thread Dan Penoff
On Feb 24, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Randy Bennell You asked... Random musings... Delete at your discretion. I will be out changing glow plugs in a few. Hope it's warm where you are. In the low 80s here today. Had to turn on the AC yesterday. The price of regular gas is finally above the

Re: [MBZ] Old film -- Donald Campbell Killed in 297mph Lake District Crash

2012-02-24 Thread Rich Thomas
Here is some Mercedes content, some old stuff: http://www.britishpathe.com/search/query/mercedes --R (who is vegging with a really sore back) On 2/24/12 2:57 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: This guy was a Real Man! -_R

Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Feb 24, 2012 12:06 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html That is what I thought. My 76 is 77HP. Not my cup of tea, really--as much I appreciate 123s from an objective engineering point of view they just don't stir my blood (on top

Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread Randy Bennell
On 24/02/2012 2:48 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Feb 24, 2012 12:06 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/cto/2827077596.html That is what I thought. My 76 is 77HP. Not my cup of tea, really--as much I appreciate 123s from an objective engineering

Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread Dan Penoff
I had an 84 300CD that really did justice to the model. The original owner was a manager at the Montvale, NJ parts distribution center, and as a result, this car was pimped out in a very stock manner. After I got it and tweaked the ALDA, it would chirp the tires on the 1-2 up shift without

Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Not by me. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:29:03 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread Peter Hertzing
Okay... So as long as we are musing miscellaneously, Fuel Mileage. I have a 1983 300D - This thing is nice good shape bought it right, and a friend really would like to buy it from me. I bought it to teach myself about the Mercedes diesel, and that has been a success. As I see fuel prices rise,

Re: [MBZ] slow list

2012-02-24 Thread Rick Knoble
Randy wrote: So, where are you? It would be a bit cold to work without heat here today - I'm in Winnipeg, Manitoba. Currently minus 11 with NW winds at 37 kph. Northwest Indiana. About 30 miles Southeast of Chicago, IL. Land of Lincoln and more incarcerated governors than any other state.

Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread Rick Knoble
Peter wrote: What can I expect for fuel mileage for a 240D of the same time. About the same, I expect. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

[MBZ] OM617 shutoff rebuild?

2012-02-24 Thread Tim C
I have a '77 om617.912, and the shutoff valve doesn't. I've almost no vacuum on the valve, I can pump and pump and it won't turn off the car. I don't see any oil in the vacuum lines, for what that's worth, but it sure seems dead to me. I plugged both ends so as to avoid getting oil up in the

Re: [MBZ] OM617 shutoff rebuild?

2012-02-24 Thread Rusty Cullens
Call me, then it is $142.00 Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] OM617 shutoff rebuild?

2012-02-24 Thread Tim C
That's still well over 10% of the value of the car, just for that one part. But if there's no better solution I'll probably be talking with you Monday... Thanks, -Tim On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: Call me, then it is $142.00 Rusty Cullens

Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote: For$ 4K this is more my speed: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/2848846909.html With branded title and ripped upholstery? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread WILTON
Zackly my thoughts, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD On 24/02/2012 2:48 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On

Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread Mitch Haley
Rick Knoble wrote: Peter wrote: What can I expect for fuel mileage for a 240D of the same time. About the same, I expect. Even if he gains 10%, how many years would it take to pay for the costs of moving from a car that he's got sorted out to one he has to sort out?

Re: [MBZ] slow list

2012-02-24 Thread Tim C
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I should probably play with the WebOS for a bit before I totally abandon it... Meh. -Tim has enough HP in his 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Feb 24, 2012 2:36 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: For$ 4K this is more my speed: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/ctd/2848846909.html With branded title and ripped upholstery? Well, I was thinking I'd offer $2K and have $2K left to buy some sheepskins

Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread Fmiser
Peter Hertzing wrote: Okay... So as long as we are musing miscellaneously, Fuel Mileage. I have a 1983 300D - This thing is nice good shape bought it right, and a friend really would like to buy it from me. I bought it to teach myself about the Mercedes diesel, and that has been a

Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread Mitch Haley
I suppose there's always the choice of a 190D, or maybe 300D 2.5 Turbo. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] slow list / Android on HP TouchPad

2012-02-24 Thread Dan Penoff
True that. From what I have been reading the latest alpha version of ICS is very stable and is pretty much working as planned. Only significant issue is related to the camera, and that's because the hardware has no open source or readily available drives from the vendor, or so the notes say.

Re: [MBZ] slow list

2012-02-24 Thread Dieselhead
Not out there But I am Here . :-D Russ W. Far Out! (quote from John Denver) On 2/24/2012 11:31 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: Slow list today. Anyone out there? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search

[MBZ] DETROIT DIESEL SYSTEMS DDEC 11 DDEC 111 SCAN TOOL

2012-02-24 Thread clay monroe
Just picked this up at auction. No idea what the thing will do. What does the group estimate this is worth?Guess I should toss it onto ebay or CL clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers

Re: [MBZ] DETROIT DIESEL SYSTEMS DDEC 11 DDEC 111 SCAN TOOL

2012-02-24 Thread Dan Penoff
DDEC is the electronic control system for Detroit Diesel engines. There are several iterations of DDEC, however, it's been a good 10 years since I've worked with it, and at that time they were coming out with DDEC-II. You should be able to find some reference sales on eBay, I would think. If

Re: [MBZ] 1987 300 SDL clock replacement

2012-02-24 Thread Fmiser
Ralph Robertson wrote: My clock stopped on my 1987 300SDL. Can you advise how to remove the instrument panel where the clock resides? The _clock_ stopped? Oy! The car is effectively scrap. I think your best bet is see if Kaleb will give you $500 for it. Honestly, my experience ends with

Re: [MBZ] OM617 shutoff rebuild?

2012-02-24 Thread buymbparts
I now found it at $125, call me when ready. Always call, I have multiple sources. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Tim C bb...@crone.us Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:35:54 To: Mercedes Discussion

Re: [MBZ] OM617 shutoff rebuild?

2012-02-24 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Are you saying the vacuum shutoff valve is now that expensive? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2012, at 7:04 PM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: I now found it at $125, call me when ready. Always call, I have multiple sources. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

Re: [MBZ] OM617 shutoff rebuild?

2012-02-24 Thread Mitch Haley
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Are you saying the vacuum shutoff valve is now that expensive? newest 617 engines MBUSA sold are over 25 years old now, so I suspect they've been 'Classic' for over five years. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go

Re: [MBZ] OM617 shutoff rebuild?

2012-02-24 Thread Dan Penoff
I was wondering the same thing. That's a pretty significant increase in price from what I recall (though no fault of Rusty's, of course.) Dan On Feb 24, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Are you saying the vacuum shutoff valve is now that expensive? newest

Re: [MBZ] OM617 shutoff rebuild?

2012-02-24 Thread Mitch Haley
Dan Penoff wrote: I was wondering the same thing. That's a pretty significant increase in price from what I recall (though no fault of Rusty's, of course.) When the W116 hit classic status, it seemed like the 116 specific parts went up 10% several times a year, didn't take long for prices

[MBZ] SLK

2012-02-24 Thread Mitch Haley
Found a nice looking first generation SLK230 for a sub-$5k price. The price is low because the tranny is locked in fail-safe mode and because the top won't open fully. I'm not too worried about the transmission, but folding top problems might be a bit scary. Any thoughts on the matter?

Re: [MBZ] Portland, OR CL: nice 300CD

2012-02-24 Thread Curt Raymond
Really? I always thought a W123 300D turbo was more in the 26mpg average range. I've averaged 28mpg with my '78 240D over the last 21,000 miles which is exactly the same as I got with my '83 240D over 80,000 miles. Thats mostly highway miles. I was thinking that if Peter was getting 2-3mpg

Re: [MBZ] OM617 shutoff rebuild?

2012-02-24 Thread Curt Raymond
I had to put one in one of my cars, I forget which. I don't remember it being that kind of expensive but the picture on Rusty's site matches what I remember the part to look like. Don't forget the 2 gaskets, at least they're still cheap. -Curt Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:07:00 -0600 From:

Re: [MBZ] slow list

2012-02-24 Thread Kevin Kraly
klatta klatta klatta! Haven't picked up the 240D yet. We have the cash for the car and a new battery if needed, so we're prepared for tomorrow. If it starts and can be driven home, that will be a bonus!! Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___

Re: [MBZ] slow list

2012-02-24 Thread Kevin Kraly
Good for you for walking! I'm trying to get me and the Quincey Doodle guide dog out more, a bit easier around here as it's above freezing. It would be good for both of us to shed a few pounds and, for me, to get the blood pressure down as well. Kevin and guide dog Quincey, Labradoodle in

Re: [MBZ] DETROIT DIESEL SYSTEMS DDEC 11 DDEC 111 SCAN TOOL

2012-02-24 Thread clay monroe
Cool. Says in auction listing that it does DDEC - II and III On Feb 24, 2012, at 4:36 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: DDEC is the electronic control system for Detroit Diesel engines. There are several iterations of DDEC, however, it's been a good 10 years since I've worked with it, and at that

Re: [MBZ] SLK

2012-02-24 Thread clay monroe
That sounds like the white one up north of me that has been on CL for a while. Salvage title and non function top. clay On Feb 24, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Found a nice looking first generation SLK230 for a sub-$5k price. The price is low because the tranny is locked in

Re: [MBZ] OM617 shutoff rebuild?

2012-02-24 Thread Dieselhead
This thread has been confusing. I am not sure if we are talking about the shutoff or the vacuum pump. The diagnosis was no vacuum at the shutoff, as I read it. There needs to be some clarification, and further troubleshooting. If you stick a hunk of new tubing on the shutoff, you should

Re: [MBZ] slow list

2012-02-24 Thread Dieselhead
klatta klatta klatta! Haven't picked up the 240D yet. We have the cash for the car and a new battery if needed, so we're prepared for tomorrow. If it starts and can be driven home, that will be a bonus!! Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon Congrats! I hope it starts and makes the trip home.

Re: [MBZ] SLK

2012-02-24 Thread Dieselhead
Found a nice looking first generation SLK230 for a sub-$5k price. The price is low because the tranny is locked in fail-safe mode and because the top won't open fully. I'm not too worried about the transmission, but folding top problems might be a bit scary. Any thoughts on the matter? I

Re: [MBZ] DETROIT DIESEL SYSTEMS DDEC 11 DDEC 111 SCAN TOOL

2012-02-24 Thread Dan Penoff
What's interesting is that I can't find a thing about this in a google search. I see a lot about ECMs, cables and software, but nothing about scan tools. Hmm. Considering that DDC is *very* proud of their parts and diagnostic tools, I have to believe it's worth some bucks. Just out

Re: [MBZ] SLK

2012-02-24 Thread Mitch Haley
Dieselhead wrote: Found a nice looking first generation SLK230 for a sub-$5k price. The price is low because the tranny is locked in fail-safe mode and because the top won't open fully. I'm not too worried about the transmission, but folding top problems might be a bit scary. Any thoughts

Re: [MBZ] SLK

2012-02-24 Thread Mitch Haley
clay monroe wrote: That sounds like the white one up north of me that has been on CL for a while. Salvage title and non function top. Salvage title would imply that the top got seriously tweaked, wouldn't it? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used

Re: [MBZ] slow list

2012-02-24 Thread Kevin Kraly
If it doesn't make it, we can always walk since it's a bit over a mile away from us. I'm thinking good thoughts. It seems to have been treated pretty well for being 35 years old. There isn't any dampness/mildew smell inside, most likely due to having no sunroof (10 points for Wilton!).

Re: [MBZ] 1987 300 SDL clock replacement

2012-02-24 Thread Tim C
Console pulls straight out, you might be able to get stone extra leverage (if you need it) with a pair of butter knives. I believe the clock placement is below three or four interlocked PCBs, it should be obvious how to get them apart. Loren may have an extra clock after his latest w126

Re: [MBZ] OM617 shutoff rebuild?

2012-02-24 Thread Tim C
Thanks, Loren. For once I did in fact do the troubleshooting in advance, everything is good as far as vacuum pressure (at least, with an isolated engine bay) until I put the pump directly on the shutoff. Once there, I can neither draw a significant vacuum by hand with the engine on or off (pump

Re: [MBZ] 1987 300 SDL clock replacement

2012-02-24 Thread WILTON
'Just sent pdf of cluster removal instruction s to you. Wilton - Original Message - From: Ralph Robertson rare...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 7:23 PM Subject: [MBZ] 1987 300 SDL clock replacement My clock stopped on

Re: [MBZ] DETROIT DIESEL SYSTEMS DDEC 11 DDEC 111 SCAN TOOL

2012-02-24 Thread clay monroe
$125 for the box with thermal printer, hand held doohickee, serial cable to the printer, manuals, and hook up to the engine cable. The cigar lighter power cable was missing. Popped it onto fleabay with a dirt low price, considering what the other folks are asking. Has hardware programing in

Re: [MBZ] SLK

2012-02-24 Thread clay monroe
Got into some sort of issue that resulted in being totaled. On Feb 24, 2012, at 6:42 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: clay monroe wrote: That sounds like the white one up north of me that has been on CL for a while. Salvage title and non function top. Salvage title would imply that the top got

Re: [MBZ] OM617 shutoff rebuild?

2012-02-24 Thread Rich Thomas
It won't shut off if you push the red lever? And it won't shut off if you suck on the vac hose to it? (That works quite well if you have no vac, and I guess if the part is working) --R On 2/24/12 10:32 PM, Tim C wrote: Thanks, Loren. For once I did in fact do the troubleshooting in

Re: [MBZ] DETROIT DIESEL SYSTEMS DDEC 11 DDEC 111 SCAN TOOL

2012-02-24 Thread G Mann
I own 3 Detroits with DDEC III and would like to have the scan tool .. Does it have cables and plug adapters with it?.. Is it functional? What would be your price? A direct email would be welcome. Thanks, Grant.. AZ... On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 5:23 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net

Re: [MBZ] OM617 shutoff rebuild?

2012-02-24 Thread Dieselhead
Thanks for the explanation. Too bad I just sold an IP on fleabay a couple months ago for $25. I could have snagged the shut-off out of it and probably still got as much money for the leftovers. No more spare IPs now. Maybe Kleb has one. Rusty made you a deal though. You might check

Re: [MBZ] 1987 300 SDL clock replacement

2012-02-24 Thread Dieselhead
Put the steering wheel in the fully extended position, pull the cluster, unplug the wiring. Take note of the indicator bulbs on the lower inside row. The wires should be numbered. You can make extractors for the cluster out of a coathanger. cut two pieces 8 or so long and bend 1/4 back

[MBZ] OT- Pair of Xserve

2012-02-24 Thread clay monroe
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/sys/2869050350.html Not bad for $50 clay 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and