Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-04 Thread Dan Penoff
I would say so. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 3, 2013, at 11:10 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: > On Jun 3, 2013, at 9:47 PM, "Darren Marshall" wrote: > >> What's in the shadows? > > > A bunch of geezers rambling and ranting with no language or subject material > limitations. Does that sum it up pr

Re: [MBZ] 84 300D value of vegoil conversion

2013-06-04 Thread Mike Esh
About 35,000 miles since i installed the system. I probably averaged 75% vegoil during that time. 35000 miles x.75 = 26,250 miles / 20 mpg = 1312 gallons x $3.50 per gallon = 4592.00. System cost including filtering costs, setup, installation, incidentals, etc. $2800.00. Net without labor c

Re: [MBZ] 84 300D Injection Pump install

2013-06-04 Thread Mike Esh
On vegetable oil! Mike On Jun 03, 2013, at 07:44 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Mike Esh wrote: > I am scheduled to drop off my car on Thursday and hoping the pump that Mitch so kindly provided will solve all of my starting problems. Mike is a brave man. He drove that car out by my place to pick

Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

2013-06-04 Thread Michael Canfield
Research "no till" garden beds. Saves a ton of work. Mike On Jun 4, 2013 1:12 AM, "clay" wrote: > I use wood chips for mulch. Keeps all the weeds down pretty well. Sucks > nutrients out of the soil so there is nothing left for plants to use. > Wonderful for bulb garden areas. I had a grass

Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

2013-06-04 Thread Dieselhead
Been doing that for years. I figured if notill worked for farms, it should work for a garden. I used a tiller the first year to break up the sod. Notill ever since. getting close to 20 years now. Research "no till" garden beds. Saves a ton of work. Mike __

Re: [MBZ] Spoke too soon? Three calipers later, brakes are done! New issues arise...

2013-06-04 Thread WILTON
Darren got himself and ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: "Max" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spoke too soon? Three calipers later,brakes are done! New issues arise... Excellent! -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E

[MBZ] mobil1 on sale @ napa 5.99 /qt

2013-06-04 Thread Rolf
About to go liquidate my local stores stock. -Rolf ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mai

Re: [MBZ] Spoke too soon? Three calipers later, brakes are done! New issues arise...

2013-06-04 Thread Darren Marshall
woot! Darren Marshall http://doejo.com http://bowtruss.com On Jun 4, 2013, at 8:47 AM, "WILTON" wrote: > Darren got himself and ATTABOY! > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Max" > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spo

Re: [MBZ] 84 300D Injection Pump install

2013-06-04 Thread Michael Canfield
I find wvo runs much better than diesel with a worn pump. Takes up the clearances in the worn parts apparently. Nice job Mike... Mike On Jun 4, 2013 8:16 AM, "Mike Esh" wrote: > On vegetable oil! > > Mike > > > > On Jun 03, 2013, at 07:44 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > > Mike Esh wrote: >> > I

Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

2013-06-04 Thread Michael Canfield
I am slowly getting our old farm back up and running. All no till organic beds means food that I can know what it's made of, almost no weeding, less water, etc. Mike On Jun 4, 2013 9:47 AM, "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Been doing that for years. I figured if notill worked for fa

Re: [MBZ] mobil1 on sale @ napa 5.99 /qt

2013-06-04 Thread Dan Penoff
Wally World still has five quart jugs for $22 and change if there are any around you. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Rolf wrote: > About to go liquidate my local stores stock. > > -Rolf > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and u

Re: [MBZ] mobil1 on sale @ napa 5.99 /qt

2013-06-04 Thread Mitch Haley
Rolf wrote: About to go liquidate my local stores stock. Does Wally still have it for $21/5qt? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or chang

Re: [MBZ] Spoke too soon? Three calipers later, brakes are done! New issues arise...

2013-06-04 Thread WILTON
Hopefully, an ATTABOY coming, then. 'Hope it goes well. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Darren Marshall" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spoke too soon? Three calipers later,brakes are done! New issues arise... woot! D

Re: [MBZ] Dash camera

2013-06-04 Thread Rich Thomas
dx have a whole bunch of these gadgets in an email today http://e.dx.com/collection/201305/security-systems/index.html?utm_source=dx&utm_medium=edm&utm_campaign=20130531securitysystems Also some trackers should you need them. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Dash camera

2013-06-04 Thread MG
Not that I know of. Manfred Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 16:19:27 -0400 From: "Gerry Archer" Too bad Mercedes never made trains; or did they? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebe

Re: [MBZ] Dash camera

2013-06-04 Thread MG
Yes the stuff I have gotten has gone up a bit since it is all Marklin. The Z gauge hasn't gone up as much as the older HO stuff though. Manfred Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 14:00:07 -0500 From: Randy Bennell Does the train stuff appreciate in value? I should think that the better quality rolling s

Re: [MBZ] Dash camera

2013-06-04 Thread MG
Yeah quite a bit over the years even though I did manage to buy a lot on sale or used at small train shows and flea markets. Found some very unexpected surprises such as the old just post WW2 train set for $100 where just the engine, which was only made for 2 years is worth north of $5,000. F

Re: [MBZ] Dash camera

2013-06-04 Thread MG
Which shows how much I know about diesels in trains. I only have one model that has a diesel engine in the original and that was a MAN diesel that originally was used for U boats. In the locomotive the engine ran an air pump that then put the pressure to the normal steam cylinders to drive the

[MBZ] deer guard

2013-06-04 Thread MG
I sent a message to the list a couple of times with a picture of my deer guard for the TD. Unfortunately it still hasn't made it through. I guess Kaleb doesn't like the way it looks. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebe

Re: [MBZ] Spoke too soon? Three calipers later, brakes are done! New issues arise...

2013-06-04 Thread Curt Raymond
Say Darren, One thing I notice you keep referring to is the throttle cable. I wanted to just take a second to point out that the cable is a high idle adjust, it isn't connected to the go pedal (accelerator, not a throttle since diesels don't generally have throttle plates) in any meaningful way

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Curt Raymond
"The sterilized ground left behind won't support much life at all for years" Now Max that part just isn't true at all. The ground isn't sterilized and life comes back almost immediately. There are even plants (mostly trees I think) that REQUIRE fire before their seeds will open. Fire is natures

Re: [MBZ] Spoke too soon? Three calipers later, brakes are done! New issues arise...

2013-06-04 Thread WILTON
'Been wondering 'bout that. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Curt Raymond" To: "Diesel List" Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spoke too soon? Three calipers later,brakes are done! New issues arise... Say Darren, One thing I notice you keep referring to

Re: [MBZ] Dash camera

2013-06-04 Thread Dan Penoff
When the kids were younger I had a nice 8' x 15' layout in the basement. I enjoyed doing all of the "decorations" such as the trees and buildings more than running the trains. I still have all of our HO rolling stock and some of the buildings. I really got into weathering and things like that w

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: There are even plants (mostly trees I think) that REQUIRE fire before their seeds will open. Jack Pine is Michigan's example. Since Kirkland's Warbler pretty much exclusively nests in Jack Pine forests, the foolish attempts to prevent regular forest fires (so we get much

Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

2013-06-04 Thread MG
Spring garden as in food? I wonder if that stuff is as bad as the infamous 'Merd de Gat' (sp?). If so be careful you don't get a woolly tongue. Manfred Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 22:11:56 -0700 From: clay I used to use the bagged composted manure. That is just saw dust and some poop. It is bet

Re: [MBZ] Rear control arm needed

2013-06-04 Thread MG
It'll take a while as I'm doing it in short stretches. The rear frame came out of the SD this morning in less then an hour. Looks like that part of the job isn't too bad. So I'm on the way. had to stop due to a bit of rain. Depending on how hot and humid it gets that may be all that gets done t

Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

2013-06-04 Thread Rich Thomas
You have to use vegetarian poop to compost, like horse or cow as it breaks down better and does not make nasties. Some people do use dog/cat/people (chinee) but that is not recommended in general. --R On 6/4/13 12:46 PM, MG wrote: Spring garden as in food? I wonder if that stuff is as bad as

[MBZ] WVO MATH

2013-06-04 Thread Rick Hawkins Java
Folks, I'm following the WVO discussions. Here are some numbers: 1982 300TD bought for about $3500 probably about 11 years ago i'd guess i've driven it about 70,000 to 90,000 miles (inaccurate odometer altho speedo works great) so if i figure $2.50 per gal for diesel (cost has varied a lot

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Craig
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond wrote: > "The sterilized ground left behind won't support much life at all for > years" Now Max that part just isn't true at all. The ground isn't > sterilized and life comes back almost immediately. There are even > plants (mostly trees I thin

Re: [MBZ] Dash camera

2013-06-04 Thread MG
See there is the point that proves people are different. I can't wait to run the things. All that scenicing and so on is a pain in the butt to me. I do the minimum that I can get away with at any one time. A lot of my houses and other buildings look like they were just built as does all the rol

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Scott Ritchey
On Tuesday, June 04, 2013 12:08 PM Curt Raymond wrote ... Fire is natures forest refresher. --- In a prior life I had some responsibility for the test range at Eglin AFB in the FL panhandle. We accidently started a lot of fires there with various munitions tests.

[MBZ] OT: Trains and Germany. was: Dash camera

2013-06-04 Thread Gerry Archer
Where were you born in Germany? My gr-grandfather (Hufmann) was a school teacher in a small town near Hamburg who emigrated to America and opened a general store. Father worked on the Southern Railway for 30 years beginning right after WW-1. He began as a coach cleaner and wound up doing abo

Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

2013-06-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
I have yet to read anything in the literature that suggests any problems with composting kitty poop from 100 percent indoor cats using corn based litter. It's just the idea of it that bothers some people, On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Rich Thomas < richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote

[MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced

2013-06-04 Thread Dan Penoff
Ok. http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/ctd/3843314779.html Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go t

Re: [MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced

2013-06-04 Thread Rich Thomas
Well, it does look nice in the piccies, and it has ICE ICE COLD AIR CONDITIONING --R On 6/4/13 5:43 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Ok. http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/ctd/3843314779.html Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts g

Re: [MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced

2013-06-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
The "color" scheme is as boring as it gets; I am not impressed. On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > Ok. > > http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/ctd/3843314779.html > > Dan > > Sent from my iPad > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used

Re: [MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced

2013-06-04 Thread Randy Bennell
white is good in Florida and a not black interior is good too. Randy On 04/06/2013 5:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The "color" scheme is as boring as it gets; I am not impressed. On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Ok. http://tampa.craigslist.org/psc/ctd/3843314779.html

Re: [MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced

2013-06-04 Thread Scott Ritchey
If the "color scheme" is the main thing you focused on, I can see why we have so many problems coming from DC. White is a very practical color everywhere south and west of the rust belt. In fact, every car I bought since 1973 has been white. In a car of this vintage, condition is everything (ma

[MBZ] Spitfire 944

2013-06-04 Thread Scott Ritchey
For them what can appreciate this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY &feature=share Incidentally, Chuck Yeager started the war as a flying sergeant. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and

Re: [MBZ] motor mounts done and dusted

2013-06-04 Thread Larry T
I guess I was lucky - my 91 300D motor mounts changed fairly easily. True i had to work from underneath to R&R the center bolt, and getting to the bolts on the top required some gymnastics but many tasks have been worse. the best part was the HUGE improvement in the way the engine was held i

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Curt Raymond
I suspect a lot of that has to do with where "here" and "there" are. To get the ground to turn into glass here in New England would require tremendous heat as even when its very dry its still fairly wet. If you were already starting from fairly dry I suspect that you'd require less heat to dry t

Re: [MBZ] OT - Conceal Carry

2013-06-04 Thread Mountain Man
Dieselhead wrote: > It would be a much more polite society. That would be the objective, primarily. Seriously? - nuthin' gonna happen. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/

Re: [MBZ] OT - Compost, was: Chipper/Shreaders

2013-06-04 Thread Curt Raymond
People get really weird about poop... I don't see any problem composting any poop from anything. As long as: A. you get the temp real high in the pile to kill the bugs. This of course requires turning and attention to detail. and/or 2. You give enough time for the nasties to die off before using

Re: [MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced

2013-06-04 Thread Curt Raymond
They're even reasonably honest about the mileage. Wonder whats wrong with it... -Curt Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 17:43:05 -0400 From: Dan Penoff To: Mercedes List Subject: [MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Ok. http://tampa.craigslist.org/

Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-04 Thread Mountain Man
Rick wrote: > Does that sum it up pretty well Dan or Dan or any other "Banned" folks? > To be precise, banned is the whole reason okiebenz has any place on the interwebs. The "kinder & gentler" list got tired of the fun and games and banned jabba-drfatty and hence mbz.org was born. Banned was th

Re: [MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced

2013-06-04 Thread Dan Penoff
Having owned my first black car, I can now appreciate the value of having a light colored car. My S500 looks dirty within an hour of washing it, or so it seems. Lighter color cars I have owned could go days if not weeks without washing. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2013, at 6:34 PM, "Scott

Re: [MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced

2013-06-04 Thread WILTON
Wonder how many miles on it? Big secret? Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced Well, it does look nice in the piccies, and it has ICE ICE COLD AIR CONDITIONING

Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-04 Thread Dan Penoff
Banned originally came from a group of us who were tossed out of another list for what most would consider minor infractions, or, in quainter sense, pointing out that the king wasn't wearing any clothing, so to speak. Challenging the status quo, even politely, would result in one being unceremo

Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

2013-06-04 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jun 4, 2013 1:52 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" wrote: > > I have yet to read anything in the literature that suggests any problems > with composting kitty poop from 100 percent indoor cats using corn based > litter. Roundworm eggs and toxoplasmosis cysts add that special something to your salsa! Se

Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

2013-06-04 Thread WILTON
ATTABOY! Scott! Thanks. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Scott Ritchey" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 6:42 PM Subject: [MBZ] Spitfire 944 For them what can appreciate this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY

Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-04 Thread Mitch Haley
Dan Penoff wrote: Banned originally came from a group of us who were tossed out of another list for what most would consider minor infractions, or, in quainter sense, pointing out that the king wasn't wearing any clothing, so to speak. Were Regina and/or K'leb ever banned? I assume Stu knew

Re: [MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced

2013-06-04 Thread WILTON
I've had a black 350SDL for 18 years; 'don't want another balckun. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced Having owned my first black car, I can now appreciate the

Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

2013-06-04 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jun 4, 2013 3:42 PM, "Scott Ritchey" wrote: > > For them what can appreciate this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY I clicked the link expecting to see a Triumph with a Porsche engine transplant, but that was much cooler. Thanks! Alex ___ htt

Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-04 Thread clay
There has been a recent dearth of unsettling imagery. Then again, list mom must be hoarding it and failing to pass it along. Maybe ... clay On Jun 3, 2013, at 8:10 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: > On Jun 3, 2013, at 9:47 PM, "Darren Marshall" wrote: > >> What's in the shadows? > > > A bunch of

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread clay
I concur. Fire has its place. The issue Max points out is that by inhibiting the natural process of fires, in an attempt to save the pretty trees, the fuel load increases to the point that a forest that evolved to handle fires becomes one that is now killed by fires. The fuel load increases

Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

2013-06-04 Thread clay
Food. The alpacas are all organic and the heat of my wee composter tends to inhibit bad things from taking place. I have yet to get it to actually ignite, but on occasion there is some really nice steam coming off the pile in the morning. Turn and wet, then let it be. clay On Jun 4, 2013, a

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Scott Ritchey
I seem to recall a particular place in NM where the soil fit this description. They called it Trinity Site. > The top surface of the soil is glazed like glass and repels water. All >of the vegetative material, even that below the soil, is destroyed. >We have had those kinds of fires near

Re: [MBZ] OT - Coffee stuff FS

2013-06-04 Thread Dan Penoff
Kleb was. Regina was never on the Hitler list. Marshall and I spoke of the Hitler list several times. He was uncomfortable with the environment. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2013, at 7:39 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: > Dan Penoff wrote: >> Banned originally came from a group of us who were toss

Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

2013-06-04 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jun 4, 2013, at 8:28 AM, "Michael Canfield" wrote: > Research "no till" garden beds. Saves a ton of work http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0878575723?ie=UTF8&force-full-site=1&ref_=aw_bottom_links Rick Sent from my iPhone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For

Re: [MBZ] WVO MATH

2013-06-04 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jun 4, 2013, at 12:21 PM, "Rick Hawkins Java" wrote: > These days, i often buy the quality oil for .25 to .40/gal but still get a > bit for free How do you get folks to sell you their oil? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Max
Once you realize that those who call themselves "environmentalist" are really frauds who use the law and the courts to extort money from individuals and corporations, your eyes can be opened to the lies they use. Pine cones that only open with fire to release seeds is one of those lies. Have y

Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

2013-06-04 Thread OK Don
Excellent! Thanks for sharing that! On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Jun 4, 2013 3:42 PM, "Scott Ritchey" wrote: > > > > For them what can appreciate this: > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY > > I clicked the link expecting to see a Triumph with a Por

Re: [MBZ] Shamefully Underpriced

2013-06-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
I have a white car. By "color scheme" I am referring to the white exterior combined with a light non=contrasting interior, which is two-tone due to age. On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:47 PM, WILTON wrote: > I've had a black 350SDL for 18 years; 'don't want another balckun. > > Wilton > > - Origi

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Fire DOES release seeds. Ever hear of jack pine? On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Max wrote: > Once you realize that those who call themselves "environmentalist" are > really frauds who use the law and the courts to extort money from > individuals and corporations, your eyes can be opened to th

[MBZ] OT Ozzy

2013-06-04 Thread Rich Thomas
iTunes have a free stream of the new Black Sabbath album. http://new.itunes.com/redir/cbx-cgi.do?v=2&la=en&lc=us&a=XXyk7qyu%2FdfmhA7SsZGGaNSemuNdts%2Fr6%2FzujfjYdgzeJIVeUhkZKTksi1MwE2efxb798SQYKWNWyh5J1GbdfhmpRRsfGAeG2EESzoBsLoLdAVDaruRac8fZSYlSGZn5Ey4iFLhvHcRm5pzJa%2BZjxg%3D%3D --R (sent from my

Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

2013-06-04 Thread Max
Yes, forwarded to my Pop. My grandfather ferried aircraft over to Africa during WWII, including P-38s. According to my father, those were his favorite. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 OK Don wrote: >Excellent! Thanks for sharing that! > > >On Tue, Jun 4, 2013

Re: [MBZ] Spitfire 944

2013-06-04 Thread Craig
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 18:42:30 -0400 "Scott Ritchey" wrote: > For them what can appreciate this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3SrjLlcUY > > &feature=share Thank you for sharing! Craig ___ http

Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

2013-06-04 Thread Max
Squirrels! -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel wrote: >Fire DOES release seeds. Ever hear of jack pine? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://ww