hi!
getting onto a motorcycle for an 80 mile commute to try to save
money isn't a good justification, and probably not the best idea.
if you *want* a motorcycle, that's great, but others have already
shared the numbers on what it costs to operate a motorcycle that's large
enough to be
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Robert you didn't mention if you have experience riding! I have been
riding
for 40 years and yes I have a honda shadow 1100cc
. It'll be a
nice present to return to.
$4.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:46:16 -0500
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Dan, I wouldn't call it a crotch rocket. It has a way to upright seating
posture and doesn't have the narrow sudden power band. It is nice and
light easy to handle and with the lowered seat and higher handle bars is
a comfortable safe ride as a starter bike.
Manfred
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008
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try taking the old seal to a good bearing supply in a city. Around
here
MG wrote:
Dan, I wouldn't call it a crotch rocket. It has a way to upright seating
posture and doesn't have the narrow sudden power band. It is nice and
light easy to handle and with the lowered seat and higher handle bars is
a comfortable safe ride as a starter bike.
Right. Bikes like the
are you talking about a gasket? I have never heard of a seal that
isn't round! What shape is it? If it is a gasket, put some silicone
form a gasket on it and slap it together. Or cut a gasket out of
whatever material works best. FLAPS sell gasket material.
At 08:52 AM 5/13/2008, you
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are you talking about a gasket? I have never heard of a seal that
isn't round!
Lots of seal aren't round.
Seal on your door windows
Easter Seals
Seal in the zoo with flippers
Pete, waiting for
...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:02:15 -0500
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are you talking about
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Aye, I am no longer allowed to ride (got the scars to prove it) until
the kids
Looks like a winner Rolf, thanks!
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 13:11:43 -0400
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Try
to goop it with RTV superblack, put it
together and hope. It only takes 20 minutes or so to take it apart
if it leaks...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 09:02:15 -0500
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I think you are pointing to the black not quite round thing. I'd
guess it used to be an oring. is the cross section more or less
square? if so, pop
credits available too.
Jim in Phoenix
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I have no experience. I would most certainly take
over 15,000 miles on it in two years before it was taken from
her by a less than watchful motorist.
Manfred
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 19:12:41 -0700 (PDT)
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Hey, slow down there, boy!
A 500 twin would be just fine
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Bob,
Riding a motorcycle in 100 degree plus weather is like riding in an
oven! Proper safety gear
] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob
What can you do on the street on a big twin that you can't do
on a bike with a 105mph top speed and 6 second 0-60 time?
Commute comfortably on the interstate? My old CB350 was
a joke on the highway, yet my parents still rode it to Reno
and back when
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I have no experience. I would most certainly take a course. There are
many
people I work with who ride all the time and I've heard all the stories
and
I've listened carefully to them all.
Bob R
I also agree with the hot weather riding. It's not that bad as long as you're
moving, but as soon as you get into stop-and-go stuff on the surface streets
it's simply unbearable. I didn't ride today for a couple of reasons, one of
which was the humidity, even though it's only supposed ot get
Tom,
I think it's dependent on a lot of variables - I say that because tires are a
lot cheaper for my Virago (just put a set on a couple of months ago and it was
just a few bucks over $300) and insurance is dependent on what you insure for -
I have minimum liability limits I am locked
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You won't save the money you think you are saving with a motorcycle after
adding in the additional cost of the bike, tires and insurance.
My
If you're looking for a good late model entry level bike that's more of a
crotch rocket than street cruiser, the Buell Blasts can be had cheap. They're
a great bike for a woman to start out on, because they're lower to the ground
and have a pretty low center of gravity, making them a lot
with a t-shirt and shorts???
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
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Tom,
I think it's dependent on a lot of variables - I say that because tires
are a lot cheaper for my
, it was my
fault.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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I also
A CB750F is a nice machine. I owned one for quite a while.
I liked it. But the handlebar wiring shorted out (again)
while I was putting it away one fall, and that spring I
bought my first Mercedes, the 560 SL, and I haven't
done a thing with the bike since.
-- Jim
Of LWB250
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:30 AM
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Tom,
I think it's dependent on a lot of variables - I say that because tires
are a lot cheaper for my Virago (just put a set on a couple of months ago
and it was just a few
the best economical vehicle on the market is a VW Turbo Diesel.
Fuel prices have really shifted the equation. Something like
the Frankenheap, a $100 'bargain', is worth less than two tanks
of fuel for it. The fact that fuel prices for my diesel truck
have quadrupled since I got the truck
Of Jim Cathey
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 8:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] was diesel, now Motorcycles for Bob
A CB750F is a nice machine. I owned one for quite a while.
I liked it. But the handlebar wiring shorted out (again)
while I was putting it away one fall
Jim Cathey wrote:
Such a change shifts things (certainly perceptions) away from
capital costs to operating costs. You used to be able to say
$X buys a lot of fuel when considering acquiring a new(er)
vehicle versus keeping an older one or acquiring a cheap
beater. Now, not so much.
When
And when it was $2 a gallon, I had no sympathy for their pathetic
bleating over their $600 a month passenger trucks now costing them
$700 a month.
I'm just thinking of that time, not so far off, when I had
about $250/mo left over from house payment and utilities and
other 'constant' expenses,
Loren Faeth wrote:
If you study motorcycle statistics, you will find most accidents are
inexperienced riders on Harleys, or imitation harleys. THey are too
heavy for most riders, and not a way to get good mileage either.
Inexperienced Harley drivers beat out the inexperienced crotch rocket
Jim Cathey wrote:
I'm just thinking of that time, not so far off, when I had
about $250/mo left over from house payment and utilities and
other 'constant' expenses, for all 'fun' purposes and any
unexpected expenses, and that was with no car payment
at all. A doubling of fuel prices would
John Robbins wrote:
Inexperienced Harley drivers beat out the inexperienced crotch rocket
folks? Impressive!
I suspect only in areas where inexperienced Harley buyers outnumber squids.
I still expect the squids to beat them in fatalities though. When was the
last time you heard of a mid life
It's all about exposure.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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I smacked the mirror of an SUV one time when they started to encroach into my
lane because they were too busy with their cell phone and iPod while driving.
I got what appeared to be an I'm sorry look/motion from them and they dropped
back a ways, probably out of embarassment.
When you're
When you're on a large bike, dressed in black with a black helmet and
gloves, people get intimidated easily. I take advantage of that when
necessary.
Honest to God, what I really wanted was full Mad Max regalia.
And not just on the motorcycle, but _especially_ on the bicycle!
-- Jim
I sold my last bike in 1967, I'm no expert. I went down easy once, that was
enough.
Couple years ago I was exiting off highway in predawn hours. I looked left
right, nothing there.
I pulled into the path of a bike, painted camouflage colors, rider in hunting
cloths, no light on. He missed
And sadly, the fact that diesel now costs significantly MORE than
premium unleaded is probably going to kill the interest in the new
generation of diesel vehicles from Mercedes, VW, and others, just when
it was looking like there might be a market opportunity for them.
Allan
--
1983 300D
Jim
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I'm just partial to my Virago because of my
experiences. Just about any metric cruiser in this
size range would do the job for him. I certainly
Now thats just not true...
Again Kawi 454, 40,000+ miles on it. Runs fine, compression in the 120 range,
starts easy...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 02:52:22 -0400
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Was true of 60s Beezumphs BTDT
At 11:58 AM 5/12/2008, you wrote:
Now thats just not true...
Again Kawi 454, 40,000+ miles on it. Runs fine, compression in the
120 range, starts easy...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 02:52:22 -0400
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have spoiled me forever, the single on the Kawi isn't
bad, drums I'll never have...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:00:04 -0500
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.
Double disks on my Honda have spoiled me forever, the single on the Kawi
isn't bad, drums I'll never have...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:00:04 -0500
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on my Honda have spoiled me forever, the single on the Kawi isn't
bad, drums I'll never have...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 12:00:04 -0500
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R A Bennell wrote:
Drum brakes are still good brakes. One must usually upgrade the old bikes.
Put on new hoses for one thing.
I don't think I've ever seen a hydraulic drum brake on a bike. Usually
cable operated double leading shoe front and rod operated single
leading shoe rear. The servo
and read a whole lot of the British motorcycle magazines devoted to the Classic
bikes.
Randy
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Haley
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R A Bennell wrote:
Drum brakes are still good brakes. One must usually upgrade the old bikes.
Put on new hoses for one thing.
I don't think I've ever seen a hydraulic
every 1000 miles.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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this is a quite common leak. So far AFAIK the only
place to get this seal is in a $170 full gasket set...
I hate to spend $170 for a 1 diameter seal.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:53:17 -0400
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I had an SV650S in my garage until Saturday. My friend kept it there all
winter.
I rode it a couple
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Drum brakes are still good brakes. One must usually upgrade the old bikes.
Put on new hoses for one thing. Old
hoses get
.
By the time I find a replacement seal I'll need to set the valves anyway.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:43:51 -0500
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Content
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Honda does not support their older machines.
They always used to. Back in 1986 my boss was bragging that you could
get parts for anything Honda ever made. I went to the parts department
and looked up a frame for a 1955 scooter, and sure enough it was listed
with a price.
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Honda does not support their older machines. A friend has a late 70s
750
with a bad master cylinder
The scooter on steroids? The station wagon of motorcycles?
Porky thing at over 600#...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:55:41 -0500
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Aye, I am no longer allowed to ride (got the scars to prove it) until
the kids are in college (I'll be damned if I wait that long). I had
here.
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The scooter on steroids? The station wagon of motorcycles?
Porky thing at over 600#...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 18:55:41 -0500
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Just occurred to me. He was at the IowaQ -- the guy with the beard and long
ponytail. He has since gotten a haircut and gave the hair away to Locks of
Love, Some of you might have gotten to meet him.
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Co-worker (actually,
Weather really isn't a concern here, I don't think. I work with guys who
ride all year round.
Maybe the time has come I should consider getting a bike. In your opinion,
Dan (and anyone else who has an opinion), what would be a good bike for me
to start with knowing my commute would be 80 miles a
Robert Rentfro wrote:
Dan (and anyone else who has an opinion), what would be a good bike for me
to start with knowing my commute would be 80 miles a day?
My first choice, it's the most powerful member of the 250cc class, nothing
else that does 85-90mph in the 1/4 mile gets 60-70mpg:
--- Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Robert Rentfro wrote:
Dan (and anyone else who has an opinion), what
would be a good bike for me
to start with knowing my commute would be 80 miles
a day?
I would encourage you to buy something in the metric
cruiser class, like a Virago 750 or
I would encourage you to buy something in the metric
cruiser class, like a Virago 750 or possibly 1100 like
mine. These can cruise all day long at highway speeds
and are large enough to give you the power necessary
to navigate in traffic and keep up on the interstate.
All of your statements
I'm just partial to my Virago because of my
experiences. Just about any metric cruiser in this
size range would do the job for him. I certainly
wouldn't get out on the highway with anything less
than a 750.
Dan
--- Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
All of your statements also apply to
LWB250 wrote:
I certainly wouldn't get out on the highway with anything less
than a 750.
And I wouldn't tell a beginner to buy anything bigger than a 500 twin.
Tell me, what's wrong with a hot 250, like the EX250 Ninja?
It's about as quick as a 400 or 450 from my younger days, which
in turn
Hey, slow down there, boy!
A 500 twin would be just fine. In my original post I
suggested anything from 500 to 1100.
As for the top speed and 0-60 times, I sure as heck
wouldn't want a beginner on a bike like that - it's a
disaster waiting to happen.
I'm not familiar with that bike, but it
Seeing as how this is an MB list, and if there are MB motorcycles,
they're rare, I'd think we should be talking BMW motorcycles, and
since we mostly talk about old MBs, it should be the R series. Also
because they're the only bikes I have any experience with ('62 R69S,
'84 R100).
--
OK Don,
Yes, BMW. What would a good starter Bayerische Motoren Werke Motorrad be?
Bob R
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R75 to anything newer, as your wallet can stand. The R100 was an awesome bike.
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, BMW. What would a good starter Bayerische Motoren Werke Motorrad be?
Bob R
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
There are three kinds of lies:
I've had good luck with my Honda. You should be able to find one at a
reasonable cost on eBay. Smooth riding, very reliable, minimal maintenance.
And cheap. I've seen 110 mph on mine and backed off the throttle while the
speedo was still climbing. Very comfortable at 65 mph. I will be riding it
on
!
hope this helps
Douglas
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Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 12:58 PM
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Weather really isn't a concern here, I don't think. I work
In Florida you are required to take the beginner's
motorcycle safety class to get your motorcycle
endorsement. The alternative is to take a rather
nasty written test followed by a riding test on a
closed course.
Some insurers require the motorcycle safety course as
well.
I hadn't ridden in some
LWB250 wrote:
As for the top speed and 0-60 times, I sure as heck
wouldn't want a beginner on a bike like that - it's a
disaster waiting to happen.
What, a 30hp bike that makes power from 6k to 13k?
Too strong, too weak, or too little grunt?
I'm not familiar with that bike, but it sounds
OK Don wrote:
Seeing as how this is an MB list, and if there are MB motorcycles,
they're rare, I'd think we should be talking BMW motorcycles, and
since we mostly talk about old MBs, it should be the R series. Also
because they're the only bikes I have any experience with ('62 R69S,
'84
--- Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nope, it's a Universal Japanese Motorcycle, dolled
up to look
like a crotch rocket.
That's good. No crotch rockets, please.
A true crotch rocket, like a Ninja 600, would be
even more painful
to ride 80 miles than a Shadow, assuming he lived
What can you do on the street on a big twin that you can't do
on a bike with a 105mph top speed and 6 second 0-60 time?
Commute comfortably on the interstate? My old CB350 was
a joke on the highway, yet my parents still rode it to Reno
and back when it was new. After that they moved up to the
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Robert you didn't mention if you have experience riding! I have been riding
for 40 years and yes I have a honda shadow 1100cc. There are things that you
should be aware of, the new
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