> On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:26:25PM +0100, Raimo Niskanen wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> > :
> > >
> > > It contains URL's to non-free software, and free Makefiles that
> > > knows how to build that non-free software. But the entire ports
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:26:25PM +0100, Raimo Niskanen wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> :
> >
> > It contains URL's to non-free software, and free Makefiles that
> > knows how to build that non-free software. But the entire ports
> > tree
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:21:02 +0100
Rico Secada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Never mind! I found htmldoc which converts HTML into PDF very nicely.
So Docbook -> HTML ->PDF.
It does the job and without Java like FOP needs!
> Hi.
>
> Are there any tools that can be installed using packages or ports
On Dec 14, 2007 9:23 AM, David H. Lynch Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Securing the RSM seal of approval may or may not appeal to you.
OpenBSD does not, pardon the french, give a shit about RMS' "seal of approval".
> But that still begs the question of OpenBSD's stance on non-free
> sof
For kicks, I headed over to gnewsense.org.
I really encourage people to check out the forums there (
http://wiki.gnewsense.org/ForumMain/ForumMain ) and see the kinds of
quality discussions going on there:
http://wiki.gnewsense.org/ForumMain/GNewSenseIsUgly
http://wiki.gnewsense.org/ForumMain/WhyI
On 12/13/07, Jeremy Huiskamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Users who can no invest the effort learn enough to use a simple
> > interface do not deserve a reliable operating system. They deserve
>
> When I read that, it sounded a lot to me like saying "if you're not a
> skilled medical practi
ropers wrote:
This site uses ABLOBE Flush*, but it's TEH FUNNAY:
http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=OpenBSD&word2=Richard+Stallman
*) But it's also lynx(1) compatible: Follow the IFRAME: content link
to see the gist of things. In the Flush version there's also a winning
stick figu
> David H. Lynch Jr. wrote:
> > Theo de Raadt wrote:
> >
> >> Hell, the OpenBSD ports tree should perhaps contain patches which
> >> REMOVE such commercial operating system support. That's a fork
> >> Richard would surely approve of.
> >>
> >> Richard, your pants are full of hypocritical poo.
>
This site uses ABLOBE Flush*, but it's TEH FUNNAY:
http://googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=OpenBSD&word2=Richard+Stallman
*) But it's also lynx(1) compatible: Follow the IFRAME: content link
to see the gist of things. In the Flush version there's also a winning
stick figure knocking the
Hi.
Are there any tools that can be installed using packages or ports for
converting docbook xml files into PDF?
Normally I would use FOP, but I would pref. not having to install that
from source.
Best regards.
Rico.
David H. Lynch Jr. wrote:
Theo de Raadt wrote:
Hell, the OpenBSD ports tree should perhaps contain patches which
REMOVE such commercial operating system support. That's a fork
Richard would surely approve of.
Richard, your pants are full of hypocritical poo.
I have no doubt tha
> On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:23 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote:
> > If you are unwilling to adopt policies consistent with his,
> > accept that you are not getting his endorsement and shut this
> > thread
> > down.
>
> Nobody here asked for or WANTS his endorsement. He started the
> thread. W
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:22:07PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > When I read that, it sounded a lot to me like saying "if you're not a
> > skilled medical practitioner, you don't deserve decent health care."
> > Seems to me one of the better aspects of our society is our ability
> > to all
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 09:40:43AM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:
> > Le mercredi 12 dC)cembre 2007 C 11:22 -0800, Ted Unangst a C)crit :
> > > On 12/12/07, Mathieu Stumpf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I agree "easy to use" and sampl
On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:23 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote:
If you are unwilling to adopt policies consistent with his,
accept that you are not getting his endorsement and shut this
thread
down.
Nobody here asked for or WANTS his endorsement. He started the
thread. We could give a shit
> Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > Hell, the OpenBSD ports tree should perhaps contain patches which
> > REMOVE such commercial operating system support. That's a fork
> > Richard would surely approve of.
> >
> > Richard, your pants are full of hypocritical poo.
> >
> I have no doubt that in some c
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 05:06:13PM +, Matthew Szudzik wrote:
: I recently purchased an HP LaserJet P2015 printer, and I wanted to warn
: other users not to make the same mistake. The printer crashes
: intermittently while trying to print PostScript files with lpd.
I've had a p2015dn since mar
On 13-Dec-07, at 10:22 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote:
When I read that, it sounded a lot to me like saying "if you're not a
skilled medical practitioner, you don't deserve decent health care."
Seems to me one of the better aspects of our society is our ability
to allow specialists to provide good servi
Jeremy Huiskamp wrote:
On 13-Dec-07, at 11:11 AM, Bob Beck wrote:
If you like the current way it works, you should be able to continue
with this system. But what if my mum, who has low computer skill, would
like to install a free, functional and secure system? I think the
software should help h
> When I read that, it sounded a lot to me like saying "if you're not a
> skilled medical practitioner, you don't deserve decent health care."
> Seems to me one of the better aspects of our society is our ability
> to allow specialists to provide good services to non-specialists (or
> at l
* Karthik Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-12-14 05:02:45]:
> Hey, we could all use the same arguments and call OpenBSD hypocritical:
>
> say no to blobs (it's even on the nvidia-wallpaper!) but say yes to
> libflashplayer.so (which is of course secure because it's obscure, but
> more than that it
Benjamin M. A'Lee wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 03:59:08PM -0500, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
Richard Stallman wrote:
recently we saw theft of BSD to GPL, and a large part of the
GPL community thinks there's no problem with that, that the
BSD community is being "petty" to make an issue o
Theo de Raadt wrote:
> Hell, the OpenBSD ports tree should perhaps contain patches which
> REMOVE such commercial operating system support. That's a fork
> Richard would surely approve of.
>
> Richard, your pants are full of hypocritical poo.
>
I have no doubt that in some context Richard i
On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 05:59:21PM -0800, Jake Conk wrote:
>
> Anyways I don't want to get caught up in that but thanks for your help
> Gilbert, it solved my problem :) You wouldn't happen to know what is
> the equivalent to this for linux machines would you?
Here's my /etc/fstab entry from m
> Also had about 10 HP 2015s that were working FINE...
>
> ...until they upgraded their server to the most recent Redhat/Linux kernel.
> Forgive me for not knowing (caring) about which version, but the basics are
> that a Redhat upgrade on the server end left me with 10 useless printers
> that w
On 13-Dec-07, at 11:11 AM, Bob Beck wrote:
If you like the current way it works, you should be able to continue
with this system. But what if my mum, who has low computer skill,
would
like to install a free, functional and secure system? I think the
software should help her to make the most a
Nick Holland wrote:
Daniel Ouellet wrote:
Bob Beck wrote:
Users who can no invest the effort learn enough to use a simple
interface do not deserve a reliable operating system. They deserve windows,
and they deserve pop up buttong in their browsers that they click ok blindly
for everyth
Stuart Henderson wrote on Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 06:43:00PM +:
> On 2007/12/13 11:51, Richard Stallman wrote:
>> I'm talking about something else:
>> what the system distro suggests that the user do.
> OpenBSD does not suggest that people use ports.
> We suggest people use binary packages.
I t
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:51:37AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
If such an issue arises for a GNU package, and people think it is not
doing the most useful thing, I will look at the issue and then if
necessary discuss it with the developers.
I forgot, dictator do create rules for others to fo
On Dec 13, 2007 2:09 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 12:59:27PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > > Richard, you are a total hypocrite. You are in here creating a fuss about
> > > our software, saying it is non-free, when you are doing exactly the sam
On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 09:30:28PM +0100, Marc Balmer wrote:
while we do provide a free operating system,
http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
makes it total clear that you are a hypocrite and a liar.
And makes it total clear
> > Richard, I may be unfriendly, but you are a lying hypocritical
> > asshole.
>
>
> this pretty much sums up everything. can we all stop now? (-:
>
> aaron.glenn
>
Nah, it's too much fun... seriously though, even though ultimately
pointless, I think it's a worthy public debate. Let him expound h
$ uname -a
OpenBSD moobile.peereboom.us 4.2 GENERIC#7 i386
$ locate libflashplayer.so
$
what the fuck are you talking about?
On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 a
>Hello,
>
>having spent most of the evening to understand why
>my kernel build suddenly aborted compilation with
>a pointer to a missing call "rt_mpath_next", I found
>that the "option SMALL_KERNEL" clashes with
>"pseudo-device pf 1", and that this was the sole
>cause for my failure. My original r
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:02:45 +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote:
>Hey, we could all use the same arguments and call OpenBSD hypocritical:
>
>say no to blobs (it's even on the nvidia-wallpaper!) but say yes to
>libflashplayer.so (which is of course secure because it's obscure, but
>more than that it's a ne
Daniel Ouellet wrote:
> Bob Beck wrote:
>> Users who can no invest the effort learn enough to use a simple
>> interface do not deserve a reliable operating system. They deserve windows,
>> and they deserve pop up buttong in their browsers that they click ok blindly
>> for everything.
>
> I
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 03:59:08PM -0500, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
> Richard Stallman wrote:
>> recently we saw theft of BSD to GPL, and a large part of the
>> GPL community thinks there's no problem with that, that the
>> BSD community is being "petty" to make an issue out of it.
>>
>> I
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 03:50:39PM -0700, Tom Rosso wrote:
> On Dec 13, 2007 12:30 PM, bofh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > But - seriously, as a project, do we need the validation from
> > FSF/Richard?
> >
>
> This is a topic I would like covered. If we were to decide to adhere to
> Richard's
[troll]
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Jason Beaudoin wrote:
> On Dec 13, 2007 1:05 PM, Raimo Niskanen
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 01:07:17PM +, Jonathan Thornburg wrote:
> > > First, I'd like to thank those who provided useful responces to my
> > > query (which started this thread), both on- and off-li
On 13/12/2007, Nick Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 12/10/07, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hey Nick, sorry to go against you, but do take a look at;
> > > http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/gnu/usr.bin/sudo/
> > >
> > > It's been eliminated since there's a replace
On Dec 13, 2007 10:58 AM, Tom Rosso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Dec 13, 2007 10:30 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Good people of MISC land, could we please drop this thread, its lasted
> > way longer than really needed.
> >
>
> I'm enjoying watching RMS struggle and fail to
> If OpenBSD's port tree would be stated to contain only (pointers to) free
> software, that is the current port tree would be split into a free port
> tree in the distribution and a non-free tree to download from some
> other site ready to drop into the free port tree. Then the distribution
> wo
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:15:08 +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
>On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 09:30:28PM +0100, Marc Balmer wrote:
>> while we do provide a free operating system,
>> http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
>> makes it total clear that you are a hypocrite and a liar.
>
>And makes
Someone already mentioned Hitler.
Can we let this thread die.
--- Marina Brown
>Hello,
>
>I've just installed OpenBSD current on an Intel DQ35MP motherboard with a Quad
>processor, this is the
>dmesg log. Some devices are not recognized (PCI slot, ethernet, etc)
>
>OpenBSD 4.2-current (GENERIC) #558: Tue Nov 20 10:36:15 MST 2007
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/c
On Dec 13, 2007 9:25 PM, Marcos Laufer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've just installed OpenBSD current on an Intel DQ35MP motherboard with a Quad
> processor, this is the
> dmesg log. Some devices are not recognized (PCI slot, ethernet, etc)
boot -c to go in UKC or config -ef /bsd and
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 06:56:57PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
| I don't recommend Torvalds' version of Linux. The versions of Linux
| in Ututo and gNewSense, which I recommend, do not have the blobs.
Interesting, these linux distributions. They seem to be pretty new,
what did you recommend be
2007/12/13, Gregg Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> On 12/13/07, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Please see
> >
> >http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/faq2.html
> >
> > And
> >
> > ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/
> >
>
> Not to mention:
>
> http://directo
> > critical patches, and those should be pulled into 4.2-stable.
>
> Unfortunately, it isn't that easy. Some updates imply updates of
> depending ports (e.g. poppler and evince), which may imply further
> updates of dependencies. So you'll end up with -current -- more or
> less, including more up
On Dec 13, 2007 12:30 PM, bofh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But - seriously, as a project, do we need the validation from
> FSF/Richard?
>
This is a topic I would like covered. If we were to decide to adhere to
Richard's requirements for inclusion on his free software list, what are the
benefits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
Hi,
This is what I felt; All comments are welcome.
If both parties were at fault for somehow giving the user the wrong
idea that flash player is great on BSD OR windows is great coz it runs
emacs, is this the right way to settle it?
The honest way i
perhaps using pcc as a gcc replacement in openbsd doesn't settle well
with rms and this is all a smokescreen?
this was someone else's suggestion and they will remain unnamed.
--
Hey, we could all use the same arguments and call OpenBSD hypocritical:
say no to blobs (it's even on the nvidia-wallpaper!) but say yes to
libflashplayer.so (which is of course secure because it's obscure, but
more than that it's a necessity for so many users which makes it
ethical to use it anyw
On Dec 13, 2007 11:59 AM, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Richard, you are a total hypocrite. You are in here creating a fuss about
> > our software, saying it is non-free, when you are doing exactly the same
> > thing yourself.
>
> Please see
>
>http://www.gnu.org/software/em
Nick Guenther wrote:
On 12/10/07, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hey Nick, sorry to go against you, but do take a look at;
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/gnu/usr.bin/sudo/
It's been eliminated since there's a replacement by Todd under a
non-GNU license.
~Mayuresh
Crazy,
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> Does that make it non-free?
>
> Even giving the URLs has the effect of referring people to those
> non-free programs. It gives those non-free programs legitimacy,
> and thus contradicts the idea that "software sh
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 10:09:21PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> > Emacs *binaries* for *Windows*
> > Supplied right by Richard's http and ftp mirrors.
>
> Yes, Emacs for people who aren't as fortunate as you or I am.
>
> > Richard, I may be unfriendly, but you are a lying hypocritical
On 12/13/07, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:51:37AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> > If such an issue arises for a GNU package, and people think it is not
> > doing the most useful thing, I will look at the issue and then if
> > necessary discuss it with t
Borja Tarraso wrote:
Stallman, why did you start this thread? It is totaly absurd, it does
not make any sense...
Sounds like the first three lines for Ty's next song!
Stallman, why did you start this thread?
It is totaly absurd,
It does not make any sense
OpenBSD is as free as the wind
Take
On 12 Dec 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It takes me 3 or 4 startx's before I get a KDE screen that looks
> normal. When it looks bad, the terminal background is black and other
> contrast problems exist. Other times it simply locks up in the middle
> of starting up.
>
> Has any one els
On Dec 13, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:
...
Even giving the URLs has the effect of referring people to those
non-free programs. It gives those non-free programs legitimacy,
and thus contradicts the idea that "software should be free".
...
This philosophy disturbs me, and remin
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Theo de Raadt wrote:
Since both emacs and gcc contain code inside them which permit them to
compile and run on commercial operating systems which are non-free,
you are a slimy hypocrite.
Thus, we should not steer people towards non-free software.
Both those software pack
Now the answer is...
Stallman, why did you start this thread? It is totaly absurd, it does
not make any sense...
Borja Tarraso
Marc Balmer wrote:
Richard,
while we do provide a free operating system,
http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
makes it total clear that you are a hypocrite
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 09:30:28PM +0100, Marc Balmer wrote:
> while we do provide a free operating system,
> http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
> makes it total clear that you are a hypocrite and a liar.
And makes it total clear that you are the hypocrite and a liar.
Choice quotes from
This is what I've learned - and how my perspective has changed - In
following this thread, over the last two days:
- Stallman cares more about appearances and outward responses than actions
- Stallman is a hypocrite, circles himself within his words, and
attempts to confuse others in the process
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:30:28 +0100, Marc Balmer wrote:
>Richard,
>
>while we do provide a free operating system,
>http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
>makes it total clear that you are a hypocrite and a liar.
>
>(while others promise the moon, we deliver.)
>
>- Marc
>
Ooooh! That one is
On Dec 13, 2007 1:05 PM, Raimo Niskanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 01:07:17PM +, Jonathan Thornburg wrote:
> > First, I'd like to thank those who provided useful responces to my
> > query (which started this thread), both on- and off-list. I had missed
> > the announc
On 12/13/07, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please see
>
>http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/faq2.html
>
> And
>
> ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/
>
Not to mention:
http://directory.fsf.org/project/reactOS/ - "ReactOS is a project to
create a free operat
On Dec 13, 2007 5:52 PM, Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Freedom means having control of your own life; "Freedom of choice" is
> a partly accurate and partly misleading way to describe that, and
> taking that expression too literally leads to mistaken conclusions.
> Thus, I say I adv
Richard Stallman wrote:
recently we saw theft of BSD to GPL, and a large part of the
GPL community thinks there's no problem with that, that the
BSD community is being "petty" to make an issue out of it.
I don't think it is wrong in general to relicense code from BSD to
GPL. However
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 12:59:27PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > Richard, you are a total hypocrite. You are in here creating a fuss about
> > our software, saying it is non-free, when you are doing exactly the same
> > thing yourself.
>
> Please see
>
>http://www.gnu.org/software/emac
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:51:37AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> his absolutism also causes people to see BSD as a "problem", a
> "social failure".
>
> If some people think that, they did not get it from me. I do not call
> BSD either of those things. I say that releasing free softwar
On 12/13/07, Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
> Even giving the URLs has the effect of referring people to those
> non-free programs. It gives those non-free programs legitimacy,
> and thus contradicts the idea that "software should be free".
Dadgummit! Now we're going to have to
Hello,
I've just installed OpenBSD current on an Intel DQ35MP motherboard with a Quad
processor, this is the
dmesg log. Some devices are not recognized (PCI slot, ethernet, etc)
OpenBSD 4.2-current (GENERIC) #558: Tue Nov 20 10:36:15 MST 2007
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/G
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
>
> Even giving the URLs has the effect of referring people to those
> non-free programs. It gives those non-free programs legitimacy,
> and thus contradicts the idea that "software should be free".
>
there are reasons for the sa
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 12:35:03PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote:
:
> > > or it might be a program "forgetting" to do a close.
> >
> > Does select() notify the application of FIN from the other side?
> >
> > If not, that would explain things, it wouldn't be reasonable for
> > httpd to manually try a
> yes,that is the result of games carp plays with routes (which it
> shouldn not, imo, but anyway). it should finally work as advertised in
> -current even with unnumbered carpdevs.
>
Hi Henning,
Updating to -current did the trick. Thanks very much.
What was the problem here?
Charlie
On Dec 13, 2007 12:53 PM, Tom Rosso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Dec 13, 2007 9:51 AM, Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What's really going on is that you are helping them use the non-free
> > software, which grants it legitimacy. That is what I object to.
>
> I don't believe any
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
:
>
> It contains URL's to non-free software, and free Makefiles that
> knows how to build that non-free software. But the entire ports
> tree has no non-free software in it at all.
>
> Does that make it non-free?
On Dec 13, 2007 2:52 PM, Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If OpenBSD could spin off the ports system (perhaps people could put
> it on the Pirate Bay), and break off connection with it, then it would
> cease to convey any message from OpenBSD to the users. Then I could
> recommend Ope
On 12/10/07, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hey Nick, sorry to go against you, but do take a look at;
> > http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/gnu/usr.bin/sudo/
> >
> > It's been eliminated since there's a replacement by Todd under a
> > non-GNU license.
> >
> > ~Mayuresh
>
> Cr
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:58:51AM -0700, Tom Rosso wrote:
> On Dec 13, 2007 10:30 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Good people of MISC land, could we please drop this thread, its lasted
> > way longer than really needed.
> >
>
> I'm enjoying watching RMS struggle and fail to m
Hi,
mixerctl output has some duplicate entries (duplicated names, but
different values), which leaves me confused. Here is the output:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $] mixerctl
outputs.dac.source=hdaudio
outputs.line.source=dac2
outputs.line.mute=off
outputs.line=124,124
outputs.line=85,85
outputs.line.d
http://xkcd.com/356/
--
Christopher Linn | By no means shall either the CEC
System Administrator II | or MTU be held in any way liable
Center for Experimental Computation | for any opinions or conjecture I
Michigan Technological University | hold to or imply to hold herein.
Richard,
while we do provide a free operating system,
http://www.gnu.org/software/for-windows.html
makes it total clear that you are a hypocrite and a liar.
(while others promise the moon, we deliver.)
- Marc
Richard "Hypocrite" Stallmann,
we, OpenBSD, are endorsing non-free software?
what is that: http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/faq2.html ?
old man, stop trolling.
Bob Beck wrote:
Users who can no invest the effort learn enough to use a simple
interface do not deserve a reliable operating system. They deserve windows,
and they deserve pop up buttong in their browsers that they click ok blindly
for everything.
I love this one. May be will need a
> Richard, you are a total hypocrite. You are in here creating a fuss about
> our software, saying it is non-free, when you are doing exactly the same
> thing yourself.
Please see
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/faq2.html
And
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/
What'
Theo de Raadt wrote:
... your pants are full of hypocritical poo.
There's one for usr.bin/mg/theo.c
--
Jack J. Woehr
Director of Development
Absolute Performance, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
303-443-7000 ext. 527
Hi,
Amarendra Godbole writes:
> mixerctl output has some duplicate entries (duplicated names, but
> different values), which leaves me confused. Here is the output:
I see... this happens when an item has both input and output
levels that can be adjusted.
Could you try this diff please? It shou
On 13/12/2007, Richard Stallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do you believe that The Pirate Bay is guilty of copyright infringement?
>
> That is a legal question, not an ethical question. I do not know what
> the law of any given country would say about the Pirate Bay. You
> would need to ask
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
> > > Yes, that's what I was told. I was also told that OpenBSD's ports
> > > system includes non-free programs. Is that accurate too?
> > (William Boshuck replied:)
> > Strictly speaking, no. If you unpack ports.t
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:52:10 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> Your definition of free is replete with chains; you would deny the
> freedom of choice in the name of freedom.
>
> Freedom means having control of your own life; "Freedom of choice" is
> a partly accurate an
On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:52:01 -0500, "Richard Stallman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> However, it is trivially easy to use the
> gNewSense apt system to install unfree software.
>
> Any general-purpose system can run non-free software, but that's not
> the issue. The issue is whether a distr
On Dec 13, 2007 10:30 AM, Mayuresh Kathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good people of MISC land, could we please drop this thread, its lasted
> way longer than really needed.
>
I'm enjoying watching RMS struggle and fail to make any headway with his
argument.
Even the Xorg list archives don't contain any thing like my warnings,
so I guess I will just live with it.
Rob
--
"Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free
our minds" Bob Marley, Redemption Song
> >If a library has a book on [insert-controversial-topic-here], does that
> >imply endorsement of said topic by the library or by someone who reads
> > the
> >book? Should the library burn copies of books on such topics to protect
> >the citizenry? Absolutely not.
> >
> > A syst
On 2007/12/13 11:51, Richard Stallman wrote:
> I'm talking about something else: what the system distro suggests
> that the user do.
OpenBSD does not suggest that people use ports. We suggest people
use binary packages.
With two exceptions (which look like they're marked in error since
their lice
Would everyone in the room who maintain a complete, working operating
system please raise their hands?
would everyone who is forced to co-opt or recommend other people's
operating systems... because their own is unfinished... please go away
and write some code or something?
thank you very
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