On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Leon Brocard wrote:
I'm currently stuck on venues - I *was* gonna hold it at
Imperial College (conference fees on the order of single-figure
dollar ammounts), but talks have kind of dried up.
Check out the hotels in the Heathrow area - they have some superb
On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote:
[...]
I also think that I wouldn't attend a mod_perl only conference. I can
think of very few things that relate only or mostly to mod_perl. A lot of
other things are important to us, like Apache configuration, DBI
programming, SSL, etc. [...]
Ken wrote:
*That* I second. The big thing we need now is an organizer
(like Kevin Lenzo did for YAPC 1999) and a venue - best if someone
can be both.
Throwing another idea into the works, I'm currently exploring
ideas for a potential yapc::Europe in London this September.
I'm currently
Leon Brocard wrote:
Ken wrote:
Where are all you mod_perl guys? Would you be willing to come
over to the UK?
Only if you could get me tickets to see Manchester United at Old
Trafford ;-)
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On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Leon Brocard wrote:
Throwing another idea into the works, I'm currently exploring
ideas for a potential yapc::Europe in London this September.
Interesting. I'm sure my wife would be *thrilled* for me to take her with
me on that sort of trip, she's been hounding me to take
I guess I'm not sure why mod_perl needs a conference of its own.
Would a mod_perl track as part of the O'Reilly Open Source Conference
work for you? That way you wouldn't need to kill a member of the
community by pushing organization onto them, as O'Reilly's (excellent)
conference organization
I said:
I guess I'm not sure why mod_perl needs a conference of its own.
Would a mod_perl track as part of the O'Reilly Open Source Conference
work for you? That way you wouldn't need to kill a member of the
community by pushing organization onto them, as O'Reilly's (excellent)
conference
On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Nathan Torkington wrote:
The problem with standalone conferences is that you need
to have reasonably high attendance before they pay for the logistical
work and equipment hire needed to put them on. "Reasonably high"
could be anywhere from 200 to 500 depending on the
Jeff D. 'Spud (Zeppelin)' Almeida writes:
1) I don't think getting 200 people to attend a mod_perl conference is
particularly ambitious at all, especially if it's held in a manner
convenient for people to attend. 20,000 people went to Linux World in New
York, and it wasn't THAT great of a
On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Jason Bodnar wrote:
Based on Doug's comments, I think a mod_perl track at the ORA conference
would be the best solution. We had our own track in 1998 and it was great.
And, if the mod_perl track got real popular than it could be spun off into
it's own conference.
You
At 11:02 AM 4/5/00 -0700, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote:
On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Jason Bodnar wrote:
Based on Doug's comments, I think a mod_perl track at the ORA conference
would be the best solution. We had our own track in 1998 and it was great.
And, if the mod_perl track got real popular than it
At 02:14 PM 4/5/00 -0400, Vivek Khera wrote:
"JB" == Jason Bodnar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
JB I didn't get much out of the mod_perl stuff at the ORA conference. Too
much
JB basic and not enough advanced stuff.
What kinds of topics would you like to see covered. I'm sure others
like myself
Jason Bodnar writes:
I guess my big problem with the ORA conference last year was that all the
tutorials I attended last year tried to cover the basics and didn't lead
enough time for in-depth informaiton.
Yup, I agree. The level of the material offered, though, is in the
hands of the
Jeff D. 'Spud (Zeppelin)' Almeida writes:
I don't know why it is that we (as a computer industry) feel
compelled to attach grossly overinflated registration fees to our
professional meetings, but the ones that don't have them (like YAPC)
tend to be better-appreciated.
The registration fee is
On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Jason Bodnar wrote:
At 02:14 PM 4/5/00 -0400, Vivek Khera wrote:
"JB" == Jason Bodnar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
JB I didn't get much out of the mod_perl stuff at the ORA conference. Too
much
JB basic and not enough advanced stuff.
What kinds of topics would you
Leslie Mikesell writes:
personal styles of perl coding are involved. It would be
nice if some outlines/slides of the material could be online
before the signup deadlines and the actual session could
spend more time in discussion and question/answer than
covering the overview.
(getting away
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Sent: 05 April 2000 16:51
Subject: Re: [RFC] holding a mod_perl conference
: On Wed, 5 Apr 2000, Nathan Torkington wrote:
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: The problem with standalone conferences is that you need
: to have reasonably high attendance before they pay for the logistical
: work
From: "Leon Brocard" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "mod_perl list" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 05 April 2000 09:06
Subject: RE: [RFC] holding a mod_perl conference
: Ken wrote:
:
: *That* I second. The big thing we need now is an organizer
: (like Kevin Lenzo did for YAPC 1999
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Doug MacEachern) wrote:
i'll share my thoughts on this that we discussed at ApacheCon.
i'm not sure about a dedicated "mod_perl conference" standing on it's own
two feet. at least, not at the production level of ApacheCon or oracon,
but maybe something like YAPC.
I second
The Grand Cayman is not US Virgin Island?
Ruben
"Randal L. Schwartz" wrote:
"Vivek" == Vivek Khera [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"Z" == Zeppelin Jeff writes:
Z If you spend a week a year in Vegas over a couple of consecutive years,
Z you'll rapidly become an expert at "How to attend a
On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Ruben I Safir wrote:
The Grand Cayman is not US Virgin Island?
Nope, the Caymans are a separate country altogether, in the Carribean.
Check out the CIA World Factbook entry at:
http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/cj.html
For anyone who is going to the Caymans (I
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, John D Groenveld wrote:
Looks like O'Reilly is still soliciting Birds of a
Feather sessions ideas for the Perl Conference 4.0. For
my liver's sake, I hope there will be a mod_perl-related
BOF each night. :)
i suspect your liver will be well taken care of even without
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gunthar,
Previous to reading your post I thought I was the least qualified to
comment on the conference . . .
:) I do think everyone is qualified on this list to say what they would like
out of a conference that involves mod_perl.
Personally, a tightly focused
Gunther Birznieks writes:
Of course that brings us to the question as to whether OReilly Perl
conference is really giving people the depth in what seems to be an
increasingly popular reason for using Perl: mod_perl. If you want to
do a tightly focused Apache::Mod_perl conference, then, I
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Stas Bekman wrote:
The candidates I've been thinking about are php, python, perlex,
fastcgi. Camelot thought that java would fit in, I'm not sure about
this, but it can bring more people and sponsors. Other mainstream
scripting languages/technologies we might think
on 3/30/00 3:07 PM, Stas Bekman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Therefore I've suggested to hold a "Server Side Web App Dev using
Scripting Languages" conference (you think of a shorter and nicer name
:) So we want to invite speakers from all "mainstream" camps that use
scripting languages for
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Bill Jones wrote:
How about calling it 'WebDev Scripting Conference' ?
That doesn't mean it is a server-side centric conference. Under that
title, JavaScript and ActiveX fit.
Cover these key technologies: mod_perl, php, expect (tcl-lets),
python (these four primarily)
I think the idea of a Web Developers conference for Open Source
technologies is a good idea. ApacheCon was a good technical
conference, but not as much for the content providers as the
system providers.
The people that actually put a site together usually don't
care what the system is as long
Someone had wondered about a name for the conference,
and a way to keep it mod_perly...
...mod_conference...
mod_*
PerlMumbleHandler
certain apache/mod_perl friendly 'dules (Mason,Em?b?perl,Apache::DBI)
if someone is interested the MySQL, CVS, vi and emacs talks
You aren't necessarily the only point of view. At some points (especially
with mod_perl), Apache tracks become interesting to attend. However, more
often my particular job entails me being a programming whore, and so I am
equally interested in Java, Perl, and Microsoft COM/DCOM/ASP technologies
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Jeff D. 'Spud (Zeppelin)' Almeida wrote:
I'm also of the opinion that it should JUST be mod_perl, and that "smaller
is better" approach is well-suited to the objectives... after all, who
needs ANOTHER bloody 20,000 attendee tradeshow? Softbank, et al, make
plenty of
"MS" == Matt Sergeant [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
MS On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Jeff D. 'Spud (Zeppelin)' Almeida wrote:
that that may even be an understatement), then by having it on the East
Coast, all we'd be doing is driving the average-cost-per-attendee up and
the overall attendance down,
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Apache::Conference
I can't decide if it is a good thing or no, seeing as there
might be some confusion that it is really just another
ApacheCon
You have a point. How about:
Apache::PerlConference
?? :)
I really like your ideas, my experience with Oracle, USENIX, and O'Reilly
conferences is that the organizers are generally open to new formats but its
up to the user community to provide the content. If 20 people responded
to the RFP with papers about using Mason or Embperl, then O'Reilly would
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You aren't necessarily the only point of view. At some points (especially
with mod_perl), Apache tracks become interesting to attend
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [RFC] holding a mod_perl conference
You aren't necessarily the only point of view. At some points (especially
with mod_perl), Apache tracks become interesting to attend. However, more
often my particular job entails me being a programming whore, and so I am
Easy to get people to pay to be tutored by gurus.
add Gerald Richter to the list since i use embperl at my
place.
sign me up right now if you can get their participation.
"J. Horner" wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Bill Jones wrote:
How about calling it 'WebDev Scripting Conference' ?
That
USENIX organizes conferences all over the US and their program is in
the same cost range.
Don't get me wrong, I'm on the East Coast and I love the chance to
go West for "vacation" but I can also see why the Europeans might
prefer an East Coast site. Of course, the APAC folks probably prefer
On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, John D Groenveld wrote:
Site selection is never going to please everyone, that's
why varying it from year to year is the friendliest solution.
Don't confuse "friendly" with "politically expedient". I've been to
conferences that do it both ways, one static location and
"Z" == Zeppelin Jeff writes:
Z If you spend a week a year in Vegas over a couple of consecutive years,
Z you'll rapidly become an expert at "How to attend a conference in Vegas."
Good point. Let's move the conferences to Grand Cayman, then, since I
just spent a week familiarizing myself with
"Vivek" == Vivek Khera [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"Z" == Zeppelin Jeff writes:
Z If you spend a week a year in Vegas over a couple of consecutive years,
Z you'll rapidly become an expert at "How to attend a conference in Vegas."
Vivek Good point. Let's move the conferences to Grand Cayman,
Well, then I won't be able to go, since I'm still on probation, and
can't get out of the US. sigh
Down here in Miami could be a semi-tropical substitute ;-)
my .02
Bill
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Jeff, I think you are right about this when the conferences not only vary
east coast/west coast, but vary locations on the east and west coast.
However, the conferences that I've attended that have gone through one cycle
of this are usually pretty good. eg SANS always seem to alternate East/West
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Stas Bekman wrote:
First of all, why holding yet another conference, the answer is
simple, we want mod_perl to be in the center of the event and not a
side project. Think about Perl Conference -- mod_perl is just a little
part of the Apache track. Think about ApacheCon
if you bring in all sorts of other technologies,
how is this different than being part of apacheCon
or Perl Conference?
at least when I go to those (if i have time), almost
everything else at the conference has some interest for
me. i have only a modicum of interest in python, cold fusion
and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Cliff Rayman wrote:
if you bring in all sorts of other technologies,
how is this different than being part of apacheCon
or Perl Conference?
at least when I go to those (if i have time), almost
everything else at the conference has some interest
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