Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

While maintaining that I am essentially an outsider in this discussion, I was CC-ed so I will reply. I read both of the indicated comment differently than you do I think. On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 4:57 PM Peter Rabbitson wrote: > On 10/04/2016 11:36 PM, Matt S Trout wrote: > > > > Had I not got exp

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

On 10/3/16 4:46 PM, David Golden wrote: > *Everyone, please direct all further conversation on this matter to the > DBIC mailing list* Forgive me if I don't. While I've been watching the conversation, nobody yet seems to have approached the most important part of this conversation as I see it, wh

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 11:56:50PM +0200, Peter Rabbitson wrote: > [1] > https://web.archive.org/web/20161004214347/http://blogs.perl.org/users/peter_rabbitson/2013/07/crowdsourcing-self-confidence.html#comment-1129854 "So far as I'm concerned you've been the DBIC chainsaw delegate for years" De

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

On 10/05/2016 12:17 AM, Joel Berger wrote: While yes I think it would have been helpful if the intention made at the time of the transfer of first-come to you were in a more public forum than IRC logs, I also think that comments halfway down a BPO posting isn't a great place to assert BDFL-ness

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 5:15 PM, Graham Knop wrote: > Forgive me if I don't. > That's fine. Your comments address the meta-issue. > PAUSE has no governance model. Nor, really, does "Perl" in the broadest sense. PAUSE admins have discussed this in coming up with a response. What people thin

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

On 10/04/2016 11:36 PM, Matt S Trout wrote: Had I not got explicit agreement before transferring anything that all I was doing was easing co-maint addition, I would absolutely not have gone down this route. Since we are digging in the past: had I not gotten an unambiguous legitimization of my

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 05:15:10PM -0400, Graham Knop wrote: > On 10/3/16 4:46 PM, David Golden wrote: > > *Everyone, please direct all further conversation on this matter to the > > DBIC mailing list* > > Forgive me if I don't. While I've been watching the conversation, > nobody yet seems to hav

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

> The only wide-reaching forum that I myself am aware of is the mailing > list, mentioned at the expected spot in the metadata: > https://metacpan.org/source/RIBASUSHI/DBIx-Class-0.082840/META.yml#L66 Great! I've joined the DBIC mailing list and have sent a post explaining the situation

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 07:34:25PM +0100, Dagfinn Ilmari Mannsåker wrote: > Ditto. I realise that fostering community involvement requires that the > people who are intimately familiar with the codebase spend more time > giving constructive review feedback on contributions and mentoring new > cont

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

Hi folks, Hmm, my @cpan.org emails land in a "mostly pile of spam" folder, oops. On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 12:33:54 +0100, David Golden wrote: We, too, encourage other maintainers and/or community members to join the conversation. David Golden Twitter/IRC/GitHub: @xdg Having read the last few

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

"Jess Robinson" writes: > Admittedly I haven't been following the DBIC ML / commits lately, for at > least a year.. This is mostly because its felt like > > a) Nothing is allowed to be added/tweaked until specifically approved by > Riba, or until some other piece of work is finished which can onl

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

On 10/02/2016 03:01 PM, David Golden wrote: > The selected person will not be announced until after the fact, in order to > insulate him from having to deal with mst, Let's put aside the identity of the person for the moment. Earlier you said: >#4 is not an ideal, but a viable chance for the

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 15:01:48 +0200, David Golden wrote: The selected person will not be announced until after the fact, in order to insulate him from having to deal with mst, Let's put aside the identity of the person for the moment. Earlier you said: #4 is not an ideal, but a viable

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

My general inclination is to avoid getting involved in discussions of this sort, but in this case, I do think that the views of at least one third party might be helpful. David Golden writes: > On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 4:31 AM, Peter Rabbitson wrote: > > I again must stress that there has been a h

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

Well, I'd rather stay out of it for reasons riba basically already made clear, but my thoughts are at the end of https://blog.afoolishmanifesto.com/posts/open-source-infrastructure-and-dbix-class-diagnostics-improvements/ , written quite a while ago. I am content with Riba's plan, though am skepti

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

On Sun, Oct 02, 2016 at 12:34:06PM -0700, fREW Schmidt wrote: > I am content with Riba's plan, though am skeptical he could find a person > living who can replace him. Not to offend the various people who could, > but the combination of intelligence, caution, and knowledge of the project > itself,

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

> The selected person will not be announced until after the fact, in order to > insulate him from having to deal with mst, Let's put aside the identity of the person for the moment. Earlier you said: > #4 is not an ideal, but a viable chance for the user community to come > together and take res

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

On 10/02/2016 01:33 PM, David Golden wrote: On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 4:31 AM, Peter Rabbitson > wrote: > The administrative transfer *combined* with the amount of work put > in by myself, and the utter disinterest of all other maintainers, places > me practically, procedu

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 4:31 AM, Peter Rabbitson wrote: > The administrative transfer *combined* with the amount of work put > in by myself, and the utter disinterest of all other maintainers, places > me practically, procedurally and morally in the position to unilaterally > decide what to do with

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

On 10/01/2016 11:07 PM, David Golden wrote: Hi, Peter. Thank you for taking the time to organize and share your thoughts. > It took me a considerable amount of time to put this together, I hope > you will respect this effort by crafting a similarly thought out response. Please don't confuse

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

On Sat, Oct 01, 2016 at 05:09:17PM -0400, David Golden wrote: > Matt, > > Per my last email, I would appreciate if you could repeat publicly your > statements to PAUSE admins about the transfer of first-come permissions for > DBIC. Thank you. > > David For simplicity's sake, I hereby repeat the

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

Matt, Per my last email, I would appreciate if you could repeat publicly your statements to PAUSE admins about the transfer of first-come permissions for DBIC. Thank you. David

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

Hi, Peter. Thank you for taking the time to organize and share your thoughts. > It took me a considerable amount of time to put this together, I hope > you will respect this effort by crafting a similarly thought out response. Please don't confuse the speed and brevity of my response with a lack

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

On 09/22/2016 01:51 AM, David Golden wrote: *Our position:* (1) Given the importance of DBIC to the broader Perl community (i.e. way "upriver "), we’d like to see a more open discussion between existing maintainers about what happens next in ter

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

I'd like to second David's comment that an ideal outcome here would be consensus. DBIx::Class has historically run on consensus among the team, wherein my position as founder and then riba's as chainsaw delegate were only ever used to tiebreak rather than to enforce, and I believe that's a valuable

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

On 09/22/2016 01:53 AM, David Golden wrote: [Followup with a copy of Peter's private reply and my public response.] Thank you for not burying this thread. I am shortly scheduled to speak at a conference, so likely won't be able to write a thorough reply today. Stay tuned.

Re: Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

[Followup with a copy of Peter's private reply and my public response.] On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Peter Rabbitson wrote: > ( adding more people on BCC, as usual ) > > David, > > I must remind you that it was me who reached out publicly[1] to the PAUSE > admins as a sole CPAN author, seeki

Message from PAUSE Admins to DBIx::Class maintainers [resend]

[In response to a request by Peter Rabbitson to keep discussions in the public record, I am resending this email verbatim and adding modules@perl.org to the recipient list. I will follow up with a copy of his reply and my response to that.] [bcc: PAUSE administrators] Hello, everyone. I'm writi