Dave, clearly you did not read my response to John's original post.
Here is what I posted in reply:
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John:
And I'd like to see Federer, Nadal, the Williams Sisters, etc. play a
tournament with wooden rackets. The
I believe John's post was designed to challenge whether our most successful
film directors today -- are capable of "going back to making films on the
cheap" as most at one time did.
But I your reply was on the mark -- esp. your comparisons to "Duel" (a TV-movie
released theatrically oversea
The problem I see with modern films is that the plot is often secondary to
many other factors, like who will be starring in the movie, the budget, or
the concept - eg "let's make a new Batman movie - we'll think about the
plot later". If you take away the visual aspects of The Dark Knight and
just
I think Clint Eastwood managed to do it with Letters from Iwo Jima.
Toochis
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Not a director, but producer Val Lewton was given (from RKO) a budget, a time
frame, and a title: Cat People. The production was completed on time and under
budget, and earned a lot of money for the studio.
I'm sure there are likely to be other examples, though.
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And it's one of his best, if not the best, of his films. Less is more.
K.
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** Spielberg did this 15 years ago. He began shooting what was
thought to be an "unbankable" Holocaust picture in March 1993 --
that made it to theaters by December
Yeah, Dave, I definitely agree with you about John's post as a
'challenge' for today's A-List Directors. But times have clearly
changed so I think that without sufficient motivation for one of
these A-Listers to take on a smaller project, it's all speculative on
our parts. Could they do
o" would've cost more
without "Flags's" budget propping everything up). It's unfortunate neither
film was a box office hit.
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For me, he did his best work with a cheap rubber shark.
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stwood has similarly used the same key crew on many of his last several films
and is equally proficient.
Phil
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Maybe if the Cannes Film Fest had a new category - films under such
and such a budget - some of them would try? I think it would be a
great effort. Or if there was an award for best film under X amount...
Andrea
On Jul 22, 2008, at 6:36 PM, Patrick Michael Tupy wrote:
Yeah, Dave, I defin
IWO JIMA had a production budget of $13M
FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS - $53M
jeff
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(Good catch!, Iwo Jima budget $15-19 million in 2006!)
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etter film than "Flags" and stands
alone without my awareness of "Flags" (though I think "Iwo"
would've cost more without "Flags's" budget propping everything
up). It's unfortunate neither film was a box office hit.
-kuz.
Date: Tue, 22 Jul
Oh, dear God!
Working with water...give me children and dogs!
Patrick
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For me, he did his best work with a cheap rubber shark.
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For
Well, Gus Van Sant took up the Psycho challenge rather too literally and
flopped ( : But perhaps not whom we'd class as a major director anyway.
Interesting that Hitchcock reverted to a bigger budget and state-of-the-art
special effects (for the time) with The Birds, despite the huge success
Stand corrected, must read up on my history.
Point I meant to make, but failed badly with this example, I'd rather
have a tale well told, with tension due to what you don't see, but are
scared you will, rather than a film choc full of the most mind blowing
effects.
(Which I don't equate with
OMG, I would LOVE to see today's golfers have to use the old equipment!
We always hear about how great and superior these current athletes are
to past greats.
I'm with you, John...let's see.
Patrick
ps: I think Tiger would likely welcome it and probably challenge
everyone on the
tour to use
What on Earth are you guys talking about?!? You're talking about 'low
budget' as if $10 or 20 million was LOW! That's not a low budget, that's a
ridiculously high, Hollywood budget! A million or less is a low budget. A
hundred thousand or less is a shoe-string budget. Here's a clue: if the
here here.
Ari
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What is "low budget" depends on who you talk to. $10-20 million is
moderately low. For a studio level film, it's positively tiny. Even for
a lot of small companies, it's considered low budget. I've dealt with
companies that if a film isn't over $10 million, they won't consider
distributing it
made each year. But, as I said, those other
199,800 don't matter to you, so they might as well not exist...
Cheers,
Bob
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7;t matter to you, so they might as well not exist...
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Bob
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What is &qu
That's production PLUS marketing. I was speaking of just
production costs (as were the previous messages).
Craig.
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Avg. Major Studio Film Budget increases by 6.3% in 2007 to $106.6
Million.
http://www.romow.com/entertainment-blog/average-holl
t;submitted). Vancouver gets another 4 or 500. Consider
> that the US
> >is ten times the size (as well as Europe, Australia and
> Asia - we'll
> >even exclude Bollywood just to even things out), and my
> numbers are
> >probably quite conservative actually. There's
> likely
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You're missing the point. You're wrong about the number of movies made.
Your numbers all seem to be wild
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You're missing the point. You're wrong about the number of movies
m
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Just want to add this note from another perspective.
All this director talk...
It's th
** I know enough about Bob Brooks to not wanna tangle with him, especially his
razor wit, which comes out when he's not even trying. I will say though, that
while more films are being made than ever before -- the truth is -- more films
were RELEASED by "major studios and distributors" from the
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You're missing the point. You're wrong about the number of movies made.
listed there - just
from the last 6 months (and they only list a fraction of all the
movies made - very few student films, foreign
films, ultra-low- budget films, etc...). I
guess I should be expecting an apology?...
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** I know enough about Bob Brooks to not wanna tangle with him, especially
h
anguage films made each year. But,
as I said, those other 199,800 don't matter to you, so they might
as well not exist...
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Bob
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razor wit? if those few posts are what you consider "razor wit" i
think you need a sharpening.
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** I know enough about Bob Brooks to not wanna tangle with him,
especially his razor wit, which comes out when he's not even trying.
ilms, foreign films, ultra-low-budget films, etc...). I
guess I should be expecting an apology?...
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I'm sorry, but while I concede Jeff's point, re: Bob Brooks recent posts don't
exhibit the "wit" that I reference -- I will have to just -- (somewhat rudely,
I admit) -- presume that Jeff's posting, reading history and possibly his
length of membership at MoPo -- is far too limited (just for no
...
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You're missing the point. You're wrong about the numbe
Dave,
I can only point out one very significant issue with your post.
Verna Fields was the Oscar Winning Editor on Jaws. Spielberg would
be the first to tell you that she saved his ass on that one.
She was a great lady and may she rest in peace.
Patrick
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Dave,
I can only point out one very significant issue with your post. Verna Fields
was the Os
same amount of money, won't have nearly the same
amount of resources, so it's hard to really compare...
Night,
Bob
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reign films,
ultra-low-budget films, etc...). I guess I should be expecting an apology?...
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At 10:41 PM 7/22/2008, Robert D. Brooks wrote:
the lighting and camera work also leaves a good deal to be desired.
I'll
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IMDB is a wonderful website. It's invaluable. But they don't
only list feature
films. They list T
aby. I often wonder, for example, what
Scorcese would be like if he didn't always have Schoonmaker in his back pocket.
-kuz.
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I can
Hi all,
If you want to see a wonderful "low budget" film, put your money where your
mouth is.
The Wackness just opened in NYC, LA and is scheduled for a wider release. It
was a crowd favorite at Sundance and has been playing the festival circuit
(SF). See Ben Kingsley channel Ringo Starr as
I have a question about all these numbers being thrown around about movie
budgets (e.g. $5 million, $10 million, etc). Do those figures include
the *buyers
premium*, and should that amount be included when talking about the "*cost*"
of the movie?
Bruce
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I thought the BP was the outrageous ticket prices for some of these dreadful
films being foistered upon us!
Phil
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>I have a question about all these numbers being thrown around about movie
>budgets (e.g. $5 million, $10 million, etc). Do those figures include the
>buyers
>premium, and should that amount be included when talking about the "cost" of
>the movie?
That's called the sales-agent, the completion-
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At 03:49 AM 7/23/2008, Robert D. Brooks wrote:
>I have a question about all these numbers being thrown around
about movie budgets (e.g. $5 million, $10 million, etc). Do those
figures include the buyers
>premium, and should that amount be included when talking about the
"cost" of the movie?
T
re -
just from the last 6 months (and they only list a fraction of all
the movies made - very few student films, foreign films, ultra-low-
budget films, etc...). I guess I should be expecting an apology?...
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free) - any other director with the same amount of money, won't
have nearly the same amount of resources, so it's hard to really
compare...
Night,
Bob
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n Earth at
shooting quick and cheap). You don't need nearly as much money as Hollywood
to make a good movie - but you do need more than most all indie films have
access to...
OK, I guess I've babbled on long enough...
Cheers,
Bob
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