Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-08 Thread Simon Montagu
Garth Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emacs (short for Editing MACroS) is a text editor primarily used on UNIX (although it is also available for Windows IIRC), snip Emacs isn't a text editor, it's a way of life

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-08 Thread Holger Metzger
Simon Montagu wrote: Garth Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emacs (short for Editing MACroS) is a text editor primarily used on UNIX (although it is also available for Windows IIRC), snip Emacs isn't a text editor, it's a way of life Exactly. Finally someone said it. :) And don't

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-08 Thread Garth Wallace
Simon Montagu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Garth Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Emacs (short for Editing MACroS) is a text editor primarily used on UNIX (although it is also available for Windows IIRC), snip Emacs isn't a text editor,

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-07 Thread Christopher Jahn
And it came to pass that Garth Wallace wrote: Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: I here lots of good things about Gravity, but it's only recently become available at no cost. And I'm so

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-07 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.
Emacs has nothing what so ever to do with Macs. Emacs is something used on UNIX Christopher Jahn wrote: And it came to pass that Garth Wallace wrote: Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote:

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-07 Thread Garth Wallace
Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And it came to pass that Garth Wallace wrote: Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm suspicious of Gnus, as it started out as a

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-06 Thread Cexy©
On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 07:24:01 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Holger Metzger) wrote: On Thu, 05 Jul 2001 19:04:35 -0400, Cexy© [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That reminds me, a co-worker yelled over my cube that she was sending me an important email, she needed status on a order, so I said OK! Well when I

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-06 Thread James Ross
On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Holger Metzger wrote: Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to disagree but, this medium is all about fun. Downloading bloated HTML messages over a 9600bps connection at 10p per minute is not fun. Reading html news with a text console reader is no fun

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-06 Thread James Ross
On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Cevpx wrote: Holger Metzger wrote: On Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:16:49 -0400, Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans-Peter Fischer wrote: On Wed, 04 Jul 2001 03:24:00 GMT Cexy© [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I am talking about using something other than this boring Font! No

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-06 Thread Gervase Markham
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote: 9600? You can't use a 56K modem? As everyone knows, 56k modems aren't 56k. Mine goes at between 33600 and 44000. But I was referring to people on mobile connections over 1st generation mobile networks, of which there are a great deal; here in the UK, we

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-06 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.
Oh, I forgot he isn't in the USA. Sorry about that. jesus X wrote: Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote: 9600? You can't use a 56K modem? Maybe he IS using a 56k modem. Maybe he's out in the English country side with a laptop, and the ISP is so far away and the line so noisy that 9600

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-06 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.
James Ross wrote: On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Cevpx wrote: Holger Metzger wrote: On Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:16:49 -0400, Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans-Peter Fischer wrote: On Wed, 04 Jul 2001 03:24:00 GMT Cexy© [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I am talking about using something other

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-06 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.
I'm lucky I can get at least a 48000 connection. Ocassionally a 49333 conection. and once-in-a-blue-moon a 50666 Connection. I live about two miles from the main phone switching station in my city. The phone lineman when setting up my connection found two quiet wire to make op the pair used for

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-06 Thread Cexy©
On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 16:27:24 -0400, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I forgot he isn't in the USA. Sorry about that. Debates and disagreements are one of the things that keep newsgroups interesting but personal attacks should be avoided. However, Family Squabbles do occur

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-06 Thread Cexy©
On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 19:05:14 -0400, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was not an attack, though reading it again it could be construed that way. IF it was taken that way, my appoligies. I don't care where one lives, who he/she is, what color you are, your religion. etc.

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-06 Thread Cevpx
Cexy© wrote: On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 19:05:14 -0400, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was not an attack, though reading it again it could be construed that way. IF it was taken that way, my appoligies. Sorry I was just trying to interject some humor. I do understand

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-06 Thread Cexy©
Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Cexy© wrote: On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 19:05:14 -0400, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This was not an attack, though reading it again it could be construed that way. IF it was taken that

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-06 Thread Cexy©
Cexy© [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 7Cv17.9383$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:7Cv17.9383$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Cexy© wrote: On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 19:05:14 -0400, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. [EMAIL

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-06 Thread Garth Wallace
Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: I here lots of good things about Gravity, but it's only recently become available at no cost. And I'm so happy with Xnews, I can't see how it could be an

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-05 Thread Hans-Peter Fischer
On Wed, 04 Jul 2001 03:24:00 GMT Cexy© [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I am talking about using something other than this boring Font! No sound or pictures but Comic Sans for example, what is the big deal about that, and maybe in a nice dark blue colorG Posting in Comic Sans won't make your

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-05 Thread Gervase Markham
Sorry to disagree but, this medium is all about fun. Downloading bloated HTML messages over a 9600bps connection at 10p per minute is not fun. Gerv

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-05 Thread Cevpx
Hans-Peter Fischer wrote: On Wed, 04 Jul 2001 03:24:00 GMT Cexy© [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I am talking about using something other than this boring Font! No sound or pictures but Comic Sans for example, what is the big deal about that, and maybe in a nice dark blue colorG Posting in

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-05 Thread Holger Metzger
On Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:16:49 -0400, Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans-Peter Fischer wrote: On Wed, 04 Jul 2001 03:24:00 GMT Cexy© [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I am talking about using something other than this boring Font! No sound or pictures but Comic Sans for example, what is the big

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-05 Thread Cevpx
Holger Metzger wrote: On Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:16:49 -0400, Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans-Peter Fischer wrote: On Wed, 04 Jul 2001 03:24:00 GMT Cexy© [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I am talking about using something other than this boring Font! No sound or pictures but Comic Sans for example,

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-05 Thread Holger Metzger
On Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:39:00 -0400, Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't either. I believe Comic Sans is a Microsoft font anyway. Maybe it would be illegal to use it on Linux? Don't know... just wondering though. Hmmm... interesting. Do we have to care? :) btw; Donna the Cyber Suggle

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-05 Thread Cexy©
On Thu, 05 Jul 2001 16:55:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans-Peter Fischer) wrote: On Wed, 04 Jul 2001 03:24:00 GMT Cexy© [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I am talking about using something other than this boring Font! No sound or pictures but Comic Sans for example, what is the big deal about that, and

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-05 Thread Cexy©
On Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:49:47 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Holger Metzger) wrote: On Thu, 05 Jul 2001 15:39:00 -0400, Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't either. I believe Comic Sans is a Microsoft font anyway. Maybe it would be illegal to use it on Linux? Don't know... just wondering

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-05 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.
9600? You can't use a 56K modem? Gervase Markham wrote: Sorry to disagree but, this medium is all about fun. Downloading bloated HTML messages over a 9600bps connection at 10p per minute is not fun. Gerv -- --

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-05 Thread Cevpx
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote: 9600? You can't use a 56K modem? These folks are gonna be asking for donations soon, just wait. ;)

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-05 Thread jesus X
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote: 9600? You can't use a 56K modem? Maybe he IS using a 56k modem. Maybe he's out in the English country side with a laptop, and the ISP is so far away and the line so noisy that 9600 is all he can get. -- jesus X [ Booze-fueled paragon of pointless cruelty

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-05 Thread Holger Metzger
On Thu, 05 Jul 2001 19:04:35 -0400, Cexy© [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That reminds me, a co-worker yelled over my cube that she was sending me an important email, she needed status on a order, so I said OK! Well when I opened it was a whole page of wingdingsG I printed it out and folded it into

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Cevpx
DeMoN_LaG wrote: Cevpx wrote: I'm not advocating posting HTML in a newsgroup where the regulars don't want it. OTOH, I think software developers need to understand that this new generation getting hooked up to the internet just won't understand why a news readers doesn't have this

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread A Meowbot
Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presentation is what HTML is all about. No. That is how it tends to be *used*, granted, but it is really about document structure. The whole CSS effort is an attempt to make the disctinction more clear. How can anyone not want to have a tool that has the

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Cexy©
Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Christopher Jahn wrote: Adding a flowered background or six

The Unix Mentality (was: Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?)

2001-07-04 Thread JTK
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Cevpx says... DeMoN_LaG wrote: [snip] doesn't limit what a news client is capable of. News clients can make posts in HTML. The fact that most ignorant people do post in HTML is proof that it *can* do it. You just shouldn't when it isn't appropriate: You

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Jay Garcia
Cexy© wrote: Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Cexy© wrote: Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Screw who? Ok can somebody give me an answer to this question.Is

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Jay Garcia
DeMoN_LaG wrote: Cevpx wrote: I'm not advocating posting HTML in a newsgroup where the regulars don't want it. OTOH, I think software developers need to understand that this new generation getting hooked up to the internet just won't understand why a news readers doesn't have

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Gavin Long
[reply posted to n.p.m.general only - watch the crossposting, people] And even in the rest of the world, many folks pay: by the minute for the phone connection By the minute for the INTERNET connection and by the kilobyte for the download. Adding a flowered background or six kind of

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Holger Metzger
Gavin Long wrote: Most of us this side of the Atlantic pay for internet connections (over 56k modems) by the minute. Charges in the UK are approx 3-5 pence (that's ~5-7 cents) per minute during weekdays, dropping to about 0.6-1 pence per minute (about 1-1.5 cents) at the weekend. AFAIK,

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Gavin Long
Now returning you to our scheduled holy war on HTML vs. plain text posting. Those of you wanting to join in our regular holy war re: top vs. bottom quoting should see the thread Mozilla should put the Signature ABOVE... elsewhere in this group. LOL, let's also start a thread why

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Mark
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... »I am absolutely serious. I know people in Brazil and Argentina »whose ISP's do not carry HTML because of the added costs. It surprises me that some people concerned about the extra size associated with HTML, are requoting the *entire*

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Holger Metzger
Gavin Long wrote: -- Gav, typing his sig manually, just to be really, really, sure that as it leaves me, that's dash-dash-space That doesn't work, because OE deletes the blank when sending the message. Holger -- Leela: Just relax, Bender. Tomorrow we'll pry you down, have a nice

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Christopher Jahn
And it came to pass that Cevpx wrote: Christopher Jahn wrote: And it came to pass that Cevpx wrote: Christopher Jahn wrote: And it came to pass that Cevpx wrote: Presentation is what HTML is all about. How can anyone not want to have a tool that has the potential to augment their attempts

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Christopher Jahn
And it came to pass that DeMoN_LaG wrote: Cevpx wrote: I'm not advocating posting HTML in a newsgroup where the regulars don't want it. OTOH, I think software developers need to understand that this new generation getting hooked up to the internet just won't understand why a news

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Christopher Jahn
And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Christopher Jahn

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Christopher Jahn
And it came to pass that Holger Metzger wrote: LOL, let's also start a thread why Outlook Express sucks.. :) Here's that email an OE user sent me: -- }:-) Christopher Jahn {:-( Dionysian Reveler If it weren't for lawyers, I think we could have invented a universal

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Christopher Jahn
And it came to pass that Mark wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... »I am absolutely serious. I know people in Brazil and »Argentina whose ISP's do not carry HTML because of the »added costs. It surprises me that some people concerned about the extra size

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Cexy©
Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: Cevpx

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Mark
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... »Mark, if you ever wonder why americans are becoming more and »more despised the world over, you have only to read you last »post. No consideration of others, just pure selfishness. Well, please note that I *am* posting in plain text,

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Christopher Jahn
And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And it came

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread DeMoN_LaG
Stick with plaintext. Or don't post. What/who are these many clients.could it be the servers are filtering out RTF? Donna These clients are every client on the planet that doesn't bow down to what MS calls a web standard. Just cause Outlook Express does it doesn't mean

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Cexy©
Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote:

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Cexy©
DeMoN_LaG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Stick with plaintext. Or don't post. What/who are these many clients.could it be the servers are filtering out RTF? Donna These clients are every client on the planet that

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread DeMoN_LaG
Cexy© wrote: DeMoN_LaG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Stick with plaintext. Or don't post. What/who are these many clients.could it be the servers are filtering out RTF? Donna These clients are every client on the planet

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread George Wright
hello everyone. why are some people so keen to post in HTML? Have you ever seen what an HTML mail looks like on a mail client that doesn't support it? Never mind the extra dialup charges, do you have any idea of just how many people can't *choose* their mail client (students, academics,

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Cexy©
DeMoN_LaG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Cexy© wrote: DeMoN_LaG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Stick with plaintext. Or don't post. What/who are these many clients.could it

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Cevpx
Cexy© wrote: DeMoN_LaG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... MS wants the world to say hey, MS says it's a standard, we all have to support it now. Well I guess it all boils down to Choices.the world would be very boring if

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Cexy©
Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Yep, that's it in a nutshell. The main deal is some people don't like to be forced to do certain things. Back to the topic of HTML as an alternative posting format; I think many people feel it was forced on

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Christopher Jahn
And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Yep, that's it in a nutshell. The main deal is some people don't like to be forced to do certain things. Back to the topic of HTML as an alternative posting

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Cexy©
Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Yep, that's it in a nutshell. The main deal is some people

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Christopher Jahn
And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Yep, that's it in a

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread DeMoN_LaG
Cexy© wrote: Well I guess it all boils down to Choices.the world would be very boring if everybody used the same computer programs. No. I use Eudora for email because I like it. I like how my mail is presented to me. Some people use Pegasus, some use Outlook. The idea

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Christopher Jahn
And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: On 4 Jul 2001 23:54:40 GMT, Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ok yes when I had my PC upgraded to Win 95 OE came

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Cexy©
On 5 Jul 2001 02:21:02 GMT, Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: On 4 Jul 2001 23:54:40 GMT, Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread DeMoN_LaG
Cexy© wrote: Oh get off the Microsoft Bashing, are you using a MAC/Apple based System? Do you have Windows,Word, or Office software on your PC, or are you using Linux? Uncalled for bashing of a company is wrong. If I were to say Final Fantasy 8 is too hard, Square soft SUCKS!,

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-04 Thread Christopher Jahn
And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: On 5 Jul 2001 02:21:02 GMT, Christopher Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So they turned an information exchange into a way to hook users into bad posting habits, that - SURPRISE! - are supported primarily by MicroSoft products. Oh get off the

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-03 Thread Henri Sivonen
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which prompts the question . . . why is it still, or should it be? I can understand, back in the days of BBS popularity, where it would be a financial burden on the SYSOP to send packets of larger size than they needed to be. But

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-03 Thread Attributed Meowbot
Adam James Fitzpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And often enough the poster hasn't written anything that actually *requires* HTML markup - it's just plain text anyway. I even see some posters go to great lengths to make their HTML look like plain text, including monospaced type and 80-column

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-03 Thread Jay Garcia
Mark wrote: Holger Metzger wrote: Would you like to receive a snail mail letter written in different colors, different font sizes, different background pictures? Well, not necessarily, but I *do* appreciate an occasional underline for emphasis. :) Yes, I know we can do _this_ and

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-03 Thread Cevpx
Attributed Meowbot wrote: Adam James Fitzpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And often enough the poster hasn't written anything that actually *requires* HTML markup - it's just plain text anyway. I even see some posters go to great lengths to make their HTML look like plain text, including

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-03 Thread DeMoN_LaG
Cevpx wrote: Attributed Meowbot wrote: Adam James Fitzpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And often enough the poster hasn't written anything that actually *requires* HTML markup - it's just plain text anyway. I even see some posters go to great lengths to make their HTML look like plain

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-03 Thread Cevpx
Mark wrote: Gervase Markham wrote: Now, as for newsgroup posts, that's a different thing, and I understand that I probably should send in text format. How much of an issue is that these days? Still a big one. Which prompts the question . . . why is it still, or should it be? I can

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-03 Thread Gervase Markham
We have all heard the pussy that goes by the name Fluffy expound the scripture that usenet is not the web... ad nauseam... etc., etc. Are we talking about bandwidth here? Do we still have people connecting at 300 bps? A 56k modem which will only connect at 33.6 over your dodgy phone line,

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-03 Thread A Martinez
I guess that's why most Unix/Linux text-mode readers understand word formatting like *bold* /italic/, _underline_. Seems like Mozilla doesn't understand the _underline_ . *bold* and /italic/ are nicely formated. Is there a bug for the _underline_ ? And by the way, pressing the back

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-03 Thread Holger Metzger
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], A Martinez wrote: Seems like Mozilla doesn't understand the _underline_ . *bold* and /italic/ are nicely formated. Is there a bug for the _underline_ ? I think that it is actually implemented, but deactivated for whatever reason. Holger -- Human beings, who

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-03 Thread Mark
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... »Having or not having the feature is not the issue. Knowing WHEN, WHERE »and HOW to use it IS the issue. Courtesy rules !! :-D You are correct, my friend! I'm using Gravity now. :) I was using it for the binary groups anyway, so . . .

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-03 Thread Christopher Jahn
And it came to pass that Cevpx wrote: Attributed Meowbot wrote: Adam James Fitzpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And often enough the poster hasn't written anything that actually *requires* HTML markup - it's just plain text anyway. I even see some posters go to great lengths to make

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-03 Thread Cevpx
Cexy© wrote: Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Screw who? Ok can somebody give me an answer to this question.Is Rich Text HTML no pictures or flowers but just TEXT! Who is finally going to get some? Damn I need to post that in

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-03 Thread Cexy©
Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Cexy© wrote: Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Screw who? Ok can somebody give me an answer to this question.Is Rich Text HTML no

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-03 Thread Christopher Jahn
And it came to pass that Cevpx wrote: Christopher Jahn wrote: And it came to pass that Cevpx wrote: Attributed Meowbot wrote: Adam James Fitzpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And often enough the poster hasn't written anything that actually *requires* HTML markup - it's just plain text

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-03 Thread Christopher Jahn
And it came to pass that Cexy© wrote: Cevpx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Christopher Jahn wrote: Adding a flowered background or six kind of fonts in seven colors just doesn't seem to be a compelling argument for screwing these

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-03 Thread Cevpx
Christopher Jahn wrote: And it came to pass that Cevpx wrote: Christopher Jahn wrote: And it came to pass that Cevpx wrote: Attributed Meowbot wrote: Adam James Fitzpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And often enough the poster hasn't written anything that actually *requires* HTML markup - it's

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-02 Thread Gervase Markham
passed, I now prefer sending and receiving e-mail HTML formatted. It just looks nicer. If that's the only reason, set your mail program to display plain text mails in a proportional font, and dump this HTML mail rubbish which causes so much grief to others ;-) Now, as for newsgroup posts,

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-02 Thread Carlfish
On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 00:15:52 -0400, DeMoN_LaG [EMAIL PROTECTED] somehow managed to type: You should NOT send HTML messages to newsgroups. All blanket statements have exceptions. There are a number of situations in which HTML mail and news postings are appropriate (think intranets, for

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-02 Thread Justin H.
Mark wrote: Gervase Markham wrote: Now, as for newsgroup posts, that's a different thing, and I understand that I probably should send in text format. How much of an issue is that these days? Still a big one. Which prompts the question . . . why is it still, or should it be? I

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-02 Thread Holger Metzger
Mark wrote: Gervase Markham wrote: Now, as for newsgroup posts, that's a different thing, and I understand that I probably should send in text format. How much of an issue is that these days? Still a big one. Which prompts the question . . . why is it still, or should it be? I can

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-02 Thread Christopher Jahn
And it came to pass that Justin H. wrote: Mark wrote: Gervase Markham wrote: Now, as for newsgroup posts, that's a different thing, and I understand that I probably should send in text format. How much of an issue is that these days? Still a big one. Which prompts the question .

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-02 Thread Mark
Justin H. wrote: Because there are still people on per-minute dial-ups, or pay-per-connection telcos. Quite a LOT of people, in fact. There ya go. That's a *very* good reason, and I should hang my head in shame for forgetting that there are folks outside of the US, who might incur very

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-02 Thread Mark
Holger Metzger wrote: Would you like to receive a snail mail letter written in different colors, different font sizes, different background pictures? Well, not necessarily, but I *do* appreciate an occasional underline for emphasis. :) Yes, I know we can do _this_ and *that*, but after

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-02 Thread Mark
Christopher Jahn wrote: And you must also figure in the fact that all these new 'internet appliances' - including cellphones, beepers, as well as those special units - will only display plaintext, OR have a message size limit. That's true too. Geez . . . I definitely chose the right

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-02 Thread Adam James Fitzpatrick
Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: multipart/meowbot wrote: [snip] Plus, multipart/alternative doesn't deliver on the hope that it would appease those who would have mail and news remain plaintext-only media forever (it just makes curmudgeons angrier about the increased size), ROTFL! Yes, again,

SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-01 Thread Mark
These days, with the variety of mail clients and personal tastes, it's hard to please everyone. However, what I'm attempting to do is configure Mozilla mail to send an HTML formatted sig with my HTML format messages. I send messages in both HTML and text (that might be violating some sort of

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-01 Thread multipart/meowbot
Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These days, with the variety of mail clients and personal tastes, it's hard to please everyone.  However, what I'm attempting to do is configure Mozilla mail to send an HTML formatted sig with my HTML format messages.  I send messages in both HTML and text (that

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-01 Thread Mark
multipart/meowbot wrote: Yeah, the multipart/alternative approach is kind of icky for this application. If a client has enough MIME smarts to extract the text part from such a message, chances aren't bad that it has the means to display the HTML in a reasonable way too. Good point, and now

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-01 Thread DeMoN_LaG
Mark wrote: These days, with the variety of mail clients and personal tastes, it's hard to please everyone. However, what I'm attempting to do is configure Mozilla mail to send an HTML formatted sig with my HTML format messages. I send messages in both HTML and text (that might be

Re: SIG formatting . . html? text?

2001-07-01 Thread Mark
DeMoN_LaG wrote: You should NOT send HTML messages to newsgroups. If the person's newsreader supports [EMAIL PROTECTED] style email addresses, then they can click it. If their client doesn't, and it bothers them, it's their job to get a new client. Same with web links. If I use such