es look like it could get used outside classical - some
non-classical editors might want to look at it and suggest ways of making
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ut - why? "later translated version"
means exactly "has translated lyrics". If anything, I would see the point
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> and I would like... ...something else. ;-)
>
How is it a pseudo-work? Are you going to claim that translation isn't a
creative activity and thus doesn't deserve its own work? (that's a nice way
to offend ever
ooks.)
>
> Major update; I'm resetting the RFC clock on this. This proposal will
> expire on Tuesday, the 26th of February.
An interesting non-music use for this, too, is to mark operas which are
based on plays or novels (since the playwright or novelist deserves credit
but isn&
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 8:42 PM, symphonick wrote:
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> I'll add an opera example too, if you can find something that fits.
Verdi's Otello or Macbeth seem like decent examples.
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On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:47 PM, ListMyCDs.com
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> On 22.2.2013 11:44, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote:
> For choir we already have "choir master" which is usually the same than
> "choir conductor". Sometimes smaller vocalist groups (like 8 singers)
> coul
e the database
isn't for the soundtrack, it's for the film itself. But I am wondering what
other people think - I'll point the soundtrack people to this, because any
argument about this would probably also apply to relating, for example, an
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;method=advancedwhich
are not actual song cycles. If you're going to propose soundtrack as
a type, then you can probably wait a bit to see if it's accepted and you
can change them to soundtrack directly, but please, please, please, do
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e easy based on the name of the service. MUSICbrainz.
We do have audiobooks, though, which are audio readings of books (while we
don't have audiovideogames or audiomovies). So since there *is* a clear
reason for adding these works (they're even asked for by a guideline), why
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>
> Thanks for your help. I appreciate it!!
>
This has now been added to the whitelist.
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> http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-5807
>
No, this part of it needs dev work and isn't directly a style issue (the
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matter :/ Maybe try to revive the RFC instead (preferably after the rest of
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to it seems to be
someone asking you "Can you provide a real example of this relationship
being used?"
So maybe you can reply to it with such an example :)
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So it might prove confusing for releases in those languages (and of course
when translating MB) :/
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On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:16 AM, Rachel Dwight
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> On Feb 26, 2013, at 7:12 PM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren <
> reosare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:58 AM, LordSputnik wrote:
>
>> Sorry, could you please explain what a dir
gain - we don't
claim to be a database of *performed* music only so I really don't see
what's the benefit of such a restriction.
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of the original piano version just because there's only one recording of
that orchestration.
Of course, when we start being able to store instrumentation info on works
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> This proposal has passed.
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>
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> This proposal has passed.
Please add any required works to create the classical example in
MusicBrainz proper and then edit
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Based_On_Relationship_Type accordingly :) (I've
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My wiki-karma is
> low, I don't know how to rename a page.
By shouting at us - I think you can't yourself. Moved to
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Symphonick/Has_Arrangement_Relationship_Typenow
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7;ve entered
http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-5975 to add autoselect for it.
Please add a link + small description to
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Other_Databases_Relationship_Type/Whitelistlike
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explains clearly when to use each AR. But this would be a separate RFC,
>>> although it should not trigger much discussions.
>>>
>>
>> If you want something more in the CSG works guideline, there's no time
>> like the present.
>>
>
> OK, I'll st
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:
> 2013/3/4 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2013/3/4 symphonick
>>>
>>>> 2013/3/4 Frederic Da Vitoria
&g
>
> http://musicbrainz.org/search?query=type%3ASong-cycle+AND+artist%3AImants+Kalni%C5%86%C5%A1&type=work&limit=25&method=advanced
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This is been open for more than 7 days and has +1s, so you can send an RFV.
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> Rhubarb, and some years later brings in writer Bar to update the work. Or
> do you have an example?
What does a completion count as? :)
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>
> Some time passed since RFC was sent and the feedback was mostly
> positive. Proceeding to RFV stage.
Expected time of passing is 2013-03-07 in the UTC morning.
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> On Mar 4, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren <
> reosare...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 8:57 PM, symphonick wrote:
>
>> 2013/3/4 Rachel Dwight
>>
>>> Yeah,
of a
catch-all work in Russian if we don't know who the translator is? Or am I
getting this wrong? It'd sound much more reasonable to me to have a
catch-all for each language it's translated into (it's not like they will
be many, with very rare exceptions)...
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country for people. But since our current country doesn't *mean* only that,
I don't think it'd be too correct to migrate it as if it did... See
http://musicbrainz.org/artist/f4a92aac-995b-47ab-80a5-33218a3e7823 for an
example (born in Comoros, raised mostly in France, active in Franc
ee how this gives enough benefits to outdo the annoyance it would cause.
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This has at least a +1 so it can move to RFV, if people think no more
discussion is needed (if you want to discuss it more speak up! :) )
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t all show up on the page.
>
You were missing the "|proposal = 1" line, fixed now :)
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#x27;re linked to", which for him, right now, is
clearly the Russian Federation. Of course, we shouldn't migrate it like
that to country of *birth*, nor to *lived in*, because that'd be certainly
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recording-guidelines-td3722980.html
> >
> that tracklists are not our vehicle for reproducing release contents "as on
> cover".
>
Note that RFV-333's point was to merge both so that we had _a clear
starting point_ and could later decide what should and shouldn't devi
and it
applies to tracks so it doesn't explicitly conflict with the works one
anyway. But maybe wait a bit until the other open CSG RFCs have passed? :)
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"later version" - something "based on" should
> ideally be a completely new (different) work. Lyrics have been added
> though, which may complicate things.
> For Loussier's arrangements I'd choose "arrangement" :-)
>
>
>>
>>
>>&g
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Alex Mauer wrote:
> On 03/04/2013 03:06 PM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Dainis Jonitis
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Some time passed since RFC was sent and the feedback was mostly
> >
gt; Dainis
>
> I assume Television, Game, etc., are admissible as well?
>
Well, for tags, everything is admissible :) (although people might want to
agree on a list to tag them all in the same way so that it's easy to find
them regardless of who has tagged them).
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Expected RFV date is Mar 18.
Ticket at http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-199
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> 2013/3/11 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
>
>> The guidelines for type on http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Release_Groupare
>> incorrect now that we have compilation as a secondary type that doesn't
>> have to
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 8:12 PM, caller#6 <
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> On 03/11/2013 05:45 AM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote:
>
> The guidelines for type on http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Release_Groupare
> incorrect now that we have compilation as a s
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TYLE-200 and expected
RFV date is March 22 - try to remember to say that in the initial mail next
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On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 3:08 AM, LordSputnik wrote:
> No vetoes, so this has now passed.
>
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On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Sheamus Patt wrote:
> On 03/11/2013 09:47 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:
>
> 2013/3/11 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
>
>> The guidelines for type on http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Release_Groupare
>> incorrect now that we have compila
ionship_Type>|performances]]
of the same [[Work|work]], with the "cover" attribute checked if
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to be no objections; can I get a +1 so I can take this to RFV?
+1, even though it's a bit weird to pass it before the "Arrangement" rel it
is supposed to be a child of on passes.
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On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren <
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>
>
> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Sheamus Patt wrote:
>
>> On 03/11/2013 09:47 AM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:
>>
>> 2013/3/11 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
>&g
ot;Secondary Types".
>
Huh, that sounds like a fairly decent option. Changed:
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Reosarevok/Release_Group
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(renamed
from Type since the start of the RFC)
Expected passing date is Mar 22.
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> The guidelines for type on http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Release_Group are
> incorrect now that we have compilation as a secondary type that doesn't
> have to be selected on
#x27;t lie, it sounds like a horrible thing to do
and I doubt it's going to happen (even though I *can* see how such an
option would be occasionally useful - but it doesn't seem worth doing such
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e into Latin, although I'm not completely sure right now). Those are
also clearly not a translated version of anything, yet there is a
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On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Dainis Jonitis wrote:
> Hello,
>
> There were 3 +1 for idea. RFC expired.
> RFV time. Expires on March 25.
>
> Dainis
>
No vetos, this has passed! I'll try to make someone add it as soon as I can
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>
> On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Dainis Jonitis wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> There were 3 +1 for idea. RFC expired.
>> RFV time. Expires on March 25.
>>
k
>
>
> No vetos, this proposal has passed.
Added! Will move it under arrangement if/when that one passes.
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out having to do it by hand
> c) It would save time if the work disambiguation comment, if any, was
> included in the display.
> d) I'd like to add other schema, for example TWV (Telemann)
>
The answer for most of this is "ask nikki" (since it's her site) :)
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cording" ... opinions?
Wiki page is at
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Ticket is at http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-205
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Heh. What's the music industry though? Is a 18th Century duke or count in
whose court a composer worked part of the music industry? For his time, I'd
say so, but it's a weird definition :)
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On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:52 PM, ListMyCDs.com wrote:
> No vetos, this has passed now.
I've added http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-6096 and will look
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ded to works?
>
> We do already have the "tribute to" relationship for release groups. So
> I think this should use the same form of words.
That'd restrict it quite a lot, though. Britten's Cello Symphony is
dedicated to Rostropovic
Hi! I'm restarting this RFC, because as suggested, I've made changes to the
Chorus Master page too.
What do people think of
http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Reosarevok/Chorus_Master_Relationship_Type
and http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Reosarevok/Conductor_Relationship_Type ?
(I've also added an
on't think it matters that much really - we don't use those almost
anywhere in the server right now (I think "has chorus master performed by"
is used literally nowhere - "performed chorus master on" is used only on
the dropdown when entering the edit
rs to actually mention that we now have a way to link conductors to
groups.
Ticket is at http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/STYLE-168
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ent, we
can use as many as we want. For example:
http://i.imgur.com/h3ijnhw.png
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On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:
> If the UI shows this, then I agree with your RFC as is. If not, I suggest
> you edit your example: "if an artist usually performs vocals and guitar for
> a band, but also plays trombone in two recordings, only vocals and guitar
> should
where else:
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-of links, divided in a big amount of
chapters, at the cost of much more complexity for the average user who's
now expected to create works for each chapter. I would go mad if I had to
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>
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First obvious bit: there's no need to insist on "*Recording* Title" and
"*Recording* Artist" when we're already in Style/Recording. No
other Style/Entity page does that.
I see you're still insisting in changing the guideline for recording artist
at the same time, even though that's an unrelated ch
hinkable ever happens, and someone goes mad adding unmixed
tracks, the Style Council can implement a guideline saying recordings must
be publicly released. Until then, it seems like unnecessarily complicating
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the
get-go are adding just "vocals"/"instruments" (without selecting a specific
one) and choosing other kind of members (like producers for a hip hop
band). But I felt it gave enough extra possibilities that it should be don
This is an RFV and doesn't really need the +1, but it's good to see others
are also excited about it ;)
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just not true. You'd be forcing things a bit by calling a field recording
"a performance of a work by a particular artist", for example :)
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On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 4:29 AM, Tom Crocker wrote:
>
>
>
> On 20 April 2013 01:59, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote:
>>
>> The problem with trying to define these in such a strict way is that it's
>> just not true. You'd be forcing things a bit by calling
There has been no opposition so this has passed.
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On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Tom Crocker wrote:
> Can we see some examples? All I can think of would be when an artist
> writes the story behind the song, but don't know how it's been used
> (although 'not much' seems to be the answer!)
>
Right now it seems to have been used on a few classica
to the release
and remove them from recordings. Once that's done, fully remove the
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On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 8:27 PM, symphonick wrote:
> 2013/3/18 symphonick
>
>> 2013/3/18 Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:01 PM, symphonick wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2013/3/15 Nikki
>>>>
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> Was there an RFC for this one?
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http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/RFC-Arrangement-works-and-other-versions-td4648716.html
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the same! :) (if you mean whether it was ever made available,
yeah, that's a trickier case)
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e they are not yet in MB apparently -
please fix that and make sure everything seems OK.
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e is May 8
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Expected pass date is May 9
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