hi,
I want to custom - and return key-bind to down and up
how can I do ?
thanks!
/ Chris Bannister wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 17:24:38 +1300 /
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 02:46:23PM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
Ah, i understand your problem now. I did misunderstand but that's not your
fault, your English is very good actually.
As far as I know, it's not
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:01:41AM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
I don't like vim. I prefer the old vi, so i'd have to set it in ~/.exrc which
mean all files will be line wrapped which is why I haven't done so already.
I'll see if theres a muttrc macro or setting I can use to set line wrap
On 2012-11-18, Jamie Paul Griffin ja...@kode5.net wrote:
/ Woody Wu wrote on Sun 18.Nov'12 at 15:05:37 +0800 /
I want to read/post the list in gmane.org. So I want to ask, if the
list (mutt-users) allow users to subscribe but without send messages
to their mailbox?
Yes you can use
/ Chris Bannister wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 23:09:44 +1300 /
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:01:41AM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
I don't like vim. I prefer the old vi, so i'd have to set it in ~/.exrc
which mean all files will be line wrapped which is why I haven't done so
already. I'll
horse_rivers wrote (Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 05:12:06PM +0800):
hi,
I want to custom - and return key-bind to down and up
how can I do ?
thanks!
Did you try
bin context key function
as described in Section 3.5 of the manual?
/ Mandar Mitra wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 17:34:42 +0530 /
Did you try
bin context key function
as described in Section 3.5 of the manual?
you can create a file which has your own key bindings and source it from your
muttrc. Execute mutt using the -n option to override the system default
I'm using mutt on OS X, with emacs as my editor. It's a great
combination, but there are times when I really *REALLY* want to put a
table in a message. I tried creating an HTML attachment containing the
table, but HTML-capable mail readers just display this as an
attachment that has to be opened
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:32:16AM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
I'm using mutt on OS X, with emacs as my editor. It's a great
combination, but there are times when I really *REALLY* want to put a
table in a message. I tried creating an HTML attachment containing the
table, but HTML-capable mail
Emacs' org-mode permits editing of text tables. There is an orgtbl
minor mode to edit tables outside of an .org file.
Regards,
Luis
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 06:59:57AM -0800, Ray Van Dolson wrote:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:32:16AM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
I'm using mutt on OS X, with emacs
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:11:27AM -0600, Luis Mochan wrote:
Emacs' org-mode permits editing of text tables. There is an orgtbl
minor mode to edit tables outside of an .org file.
I was not aware of that. That sounds like a great solution. I'll
investigate.
Thanks!
-pd
Is there a non sourcecode way to change mutt's interpretation of
the header named Attach: to an arbitrary string (like Attached:)?
--
Eric Smith
On Tue, November 20, 2012 16:59, Eric Smith wrote:
Is there a non sourcecode way to change mutt's interpretation of
the header named Attach: to an arbitrary string (like Attached:)?
I don't think there is. Why?
regards,
Christian
So when I write emails I refer to the attachments.
I copy and paste the list of headers as a block like this;
Attach: Foobar.baz
Attach: Foobar_1.baz
Attach: Foobar_2.baz
into my text and reference them in a way that it is more professional and
grammatical to say Attached rather than Attach
--
On Tue, November 20, 2012 17:07, Eric Smith wrote:
So when I write emails I refer to the attachments.
I copy and paste the list of headers as a block like this;
Attach: Foobar.baz
Attach: Foobar_1.baz
Attach: Foobar_2.baz
into my text and reference them in a way that it is more
No Christian, perhpas it not clear enough.
If course they are pseudo headers.
So in my vim when composing (usually large) emails. I develop a
collection of *pseudo* headers like in the block below.
Then I copy and paste these in the text with descriptions and
comments relevant to each header.
On 2012-11-20, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
Ouch! Could you please set the line wrap value in your editor to a
sane value? 72 characters seems to be the recommended setting.
That was the recommendation in the 90s.
These days, any decent news reader has word wrap.
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:32:16AM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
I'm using mutt on OS X, with emacs as my editor. It's a great
Is there any reasonly easy (non-painful) way to put a table in a
message? A plain text table would be fine if I could limit it to 72
characters wide or so, and if there
Attached: File1.jpg
On Tue, November 20, 2012 17:16, Eric Smith wrote:
No Christian, perhpas it not clear enough.
If course they are pseudo headers.
So in my vim when composing (usually large) emails. I develop a
collection of *pseudo* headers like in the block below.
Then I copy and paste
Eric Smith wrote (Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 05:16:16PM +0100):
So I want to copy and paste a grammatically more useful *pseudo*
header text. Of course mutt could be made to accept anything
unique as this pseudo header, so I asked if it is changeable
without a hack of the source.
If you use
I wasn't going to post in this thread but...
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:16:44PM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote:
On 2012-11-20, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
Ouch! Could you please set the line wrap value in your editor to a
sane value? 72 characters seems to be the
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:42:13PM +, John Long wrote:
I wasn't going to post in this thread but...
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:16:44PM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote:
On 2012-11-20, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
Ouch! Could you please set the line wrap
* David Young dyo...@pobox.com [11-20-12 13:02]:
...
One reason email software is not more useful is that because too many
smart people wage a losing war on the new, foreign ways of email instead
of programming filters that transform top-posted, red, 5000-column
emails to the style of email
On 2012-11-20, John Long codeb...@inbox.lv wrote:
I use slrn, probably the best all around news reader out there and
it doesn't wrap unless you tell it. But even that looks bad.
slrn's problem. Slrn (which I sometimes use as well) should do
better.
You can't make a sloppy pile of HTML or
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 01:10:37PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Ignorant, disrespectful and inconsiderate is the top poster who quotes
5000 lines including sigs and trailers and irrelevant/unenforcable
disclaimers *and* the bottom poster who does the same and adds a single
line (or more)
I too have given up trying to wrap for teletypes. It is much more annoying to
have long lines of code, or any other text which should not be wrapped, quoted
to me in a wrapping editor to conform to some long-since-obsolete habit, when
wrapping by the viewer is a trivial piece of code but
* On 19 Nov 2012, Chris Bannister wrote:
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 02:46:23PM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
Ah, i understand your problem now. I did misunderstand but that's not your
fault, your English is very good actually.
As far as I know, it's not possible. I believe you must
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 06:24:49PM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote:
On 2012-11-20, John Long codeb...@inbox.lv wrote:
Conventions are good, but only when they cater to those with *good*
tools. When a convention caters to compensate for poorly designed
tools, and then cause difficultly
On 2012-11-20, John Long codeb...@inbox.lv wrote:
The tools are fine Outlook, AOL, google groups, it's pretty much
all about thumbing your nose at the world and saying you don't give
a rat's a$$ about the other guy.
Outlook actually illustrates my point. Good tools interpret the
* On 20 Nov 2012, Peter Davis wrote:
Is there any reasonly easy (non-painful) way to put a table in a
message? A plain text table would be fine if I could limit it to 72
characters wide or so, and if there were a reasonable way to edit it,
preferably in emacs.
Type this:
.TS
box tab(|);
=- David Young wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 11:59:55 -0600 -=
What, you have computers in your pockets but there is no
conformance to the width in columns of 40 year-old data terminals
any more?
That's not a technical issue but readability: it's easier on the eyes/
flow of reading when you don't
=- Peter Davis wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 13:37:36 -0500 -=
Most workplaces are using email to communicate, and they want
maximum efficiency in that. Users want a way to get a message
across quickly, as opposed to trying to create a beautiful and
literate archive.
Because in business it's
* David Young dyo...@pobox.com [2012-11-20 11:59]:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:42:13PM +, John Long wrote:
Mail and news need to have sane line lengths. 72 or 76 chars are common. It
makes people look like AOL groupies when they post 500 character lines. Many
of us use console news
=- Tony's unattended mail wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 19:54:28 + -=
Outlook actually illustrates my point. Good tools interpret the
mail-followup-to header, and also have a reply-to-list feature.
Outlook does not, on both counts. So mailing lists have
established conventions whereby
On 11/20/12 3:18 PM, Rado Q wrote:
Software can't do magic, or make up for human failures. Sometimes the
responsibility is with the user, not the code.
Nope. Totally wrong. The responsibility is entire with the design and
the code, and never with the user. Otherwise it's a failed product.
Hi,
I would like to share a different perspective on this issue.
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:18:36PM +0100, Rado Q wrote:
=- David Young wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 11:59:55 -0600 -=
What, you have computers in your pockets but there is no
conformance to the width in columns of 40 year-old
* On 20 Nov 2012, David Champion wrote:
* On 20 Nov 2012, Peter Davis wrote:
Is there any reasonly easy (non-painful) way to put a table in a
message? A plain text table would be fine if I could limit it to 72
characters wide or so, and if there were a reasonable way to edit it,
On 2012-11-20, Rado Q l%...@gmx.de wrote:
=- David Young wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 11:59:55 -0600 -=
What, you have computers in your pockets but there is no
conformance to the width in columns of 40 year-old data terminals
any more?
That's not a technical issue but readability: it's easier
=- Peter Davis wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 15:34:13 -0500 -=
Software can't do magic, or make up for human failures. Sometimes
the responsibility is with the user, not the code.
Nope. Totally wrong. The responsibility is entire with the design and the
code, and never with the user. Otherwise
/ Rado Q wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 21:34:14 +0100 /
=- Tony's unattended mail wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 19:54:28 + -=
Outlook actually illustrates my point. Good tools interpret the
mail-followup-to header, and also have a reply-to-list feature.
Outlook does not, on both counts. So
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:27:19PM +0100, Holger Weiß wrote:
* David Young dyo...@pobox.com [2012-11-20 11:59]:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:42:13PM +, John Long wrote:
Take some responsibility for yourself and your content. Post like a man
not
a webbot.
I cannot believe people
/ Rado Q wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 21:45:05 +0100 /
=- Peter Davis wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 15:34:13 -0500 -=
Software can't do magic, or make up for human failures. Sometimes
the responsibility is with the user, not the code.
Nope. Totally wrong. The responsibility is entire with
/ David Champion wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 14:13:29 -0600 /
* On 20 Nov 2012, Peter Davis wrote:
Is there any reasonly easy (non-painful) way to put a table in a
message? A plain text table would be fine if I could limit it to 72
characters wide or so, and if there were a reasonable way
On 2012-11-20, Rado Q l%...@gmx.de wrote:
The same argumentation applies to producing readable mail:
why fix something on the reader-end when it could/should be fixed at
the source?
To say that you can only have a convention that's mindful of the
source XOR the target is to create a false
* Jamie Paul Griffin ja...@kode5.net [11-20-12 15:50]:
...
I'm sorry but I receive the mails I send out from this list just as
others do and I have no issue with readability using mutt or mail(1) for
that matter, so I'm a bit confused why the text/narrative of my mail is
causing so much
* David Young dyo...@pobox.com [2012-11-20 14:54]:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:27:19PM +0100, Holger Weiß wrote:
* David Young dyo...@pobox.com [2012-11-20 11:59]:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:42:13PM +, John Long wrote:
Take some responsibility for yourself and your content. Post like
* fe...@crowfix.com [2012-11-20 10:38]:
It is much more annoying to have long lines of code, or any other text which
should not be wrapped, quoted to me in a wrapping editor to conform to some
long-since-obsolete habit, when wrapping by the viewer is a trivial piece of
code but urwapping is
On 2012-11-20, Patrick Shanahan ptilopt...@gmail.com wrote:
Original text is fine unwrapped, but should not be sent that way. You
should not impose on the reciever but sent mat'l in a manner that would be
presented as one *should* expect.
Recipients should not impose on composers. Otherwise
Hello dear discussants,
are you even aware?
Fact:
There are two types of people: people who wrap lines when they edit and people
who don't.
Since you all apparently are using mutt you can deal with both types.
So what is this all about?
Could please be so kind and stop spamming about this
=- Jamie Paul Griffin wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 20:57:53 + -=
Ok, we disagree on basic principles, because I require
responsible and respectful users for any tool, no matter how
well or badly it's coded.
I think to label someone as disrespectful and irresponsible simply
because they
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:16:44PM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote:
On 2012-11-20, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:
Ouch! Could you please set the line wrap value in your editor to a
sane value? 72 characters seems to be the recommended setting.
That was the
/ Rado Q wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 22:27:43 +0100 /
=- Jamie Paul Griffin wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 20:57:53 + -=
Ok, we disagree on basic principles, because I require
responsible and respectful users for any tool, no matter how
well or badly it's coded.
I think to label
/ Patrick Shanahan wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 16:08:30 -0500 /
* Jamie Paul Griffin ja...@kode5.net [11-20-12 15:50]:
...
I'm sorry but I receive the mails I send out from this list just as
others do and I have no issue with readability using mutt or mail(1) for
that matter, so I'm
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:02:11PM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
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=- Jamie Paul Griffin wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 22:19:25 + -=
My confusion is simply due to the fact that when my emails come
through from mutt's mailing list manager to my server and I read
them with mutt, I don't experience the readability issues others
seem to. It's not something that
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:19:25PM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
My first response to Chris when he raised the issue stated that I would
happily adjust the setting for vi, on invocation from mutt, to address the
issue. Chris kindly responded with a muttrc tip. I have no problem at all
* Jamie Paul Griffin ja...@kode5.net [11-20-12 17:33]:
...
I'm sorry to say, but ever since I have subscribed to this list you have
taken many opportunities to criticise me over trivial issues, both on list
and off list. So this response comes as no surprise frankly.
This is the last
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 09:18:23PM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote:
On 2012-11-20, Patrick Shanahan ptilopt...@gmail.com wrote:
Original text is fine unwrapped, but should not be sent that way. You
should not impose on the reciever but sent mat'l in a manner that would be
presented
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:37:11PM -0600, Jim Graham wrote:
Note the corners: periods on top, and ` ' on the bottom. IMHO, this
looks better. But that IS just my opinion. :-) And just on a style
note, I would also condense it to something like this (avoiding
redundancy):
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:59:55AM -0600, David Young wrote:
Every now and then some jerk sends me an email reply where their
contribution is red. Maybe that is worth fighting about on grounds
that that's a poor choice of color for readability, but not on grounds
that my console is
/ Patrick Shanahan wrote on Tue 20.Nov'12 at 17:55:08 -0500 /
* Jamie Paul Griffin ja...@kode5.net [11-20-12 17:33]:
...
I'm sorry to say, but ever since I have subscribed to this list you have
taken many opportunities to criticise me over trivial issues, both on list
and off list.
Also sprach Bernard Massot am Mi, 21 Nov 2012 um 00:18:09 +0100:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:37:11PM -0600, Jim Graham wrote:
Note the corners: periods on top, and ` ' on the bottom. IMHO, this
looks better. But that IS just my opinion. :-) And just on a style
note, I would also
* On 20 Nov 2012, Christoph Möbius wrote:
This looks all great.
Is there a script/plugin for doing this with vim?
The script and .exrc macro I send previously should work with vim, vi,
nvi, etc. Note that the .exrc macro contains embedded carriage returns.
The technique should work for
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 01:37:36PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 01:10:37PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Ignorant, disrespectful and inconsiderate is the top poster who quotes
5000 lines including sigs and trailers and irrelevant/unenforcable
disclaimers *and* the
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 03:34:13PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
On 11/20/12 3:18 PM, Rado Q wrote:
Software can't do magic, or make up for human failures. Sometimes
the responsibility is with the user, not the code.
Nope. Totally wrong. The responsibility is entire with the design
and the
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 06:24:49PM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote:
On 2012-11-20, John Long codeb...@inbox.lv wrote:
Actually it's trivial to wrap text that is unwrapped, and to do so in
a way that meets each users preference. A news reader can simply add
a linefeed in place of the last
Hi,
When replying to an e-mail with an empty subject, the subject of the
answer is set to Re: your mail.
I would like to customize/localize it, but it does not seem to be an
option. Have I missed something? (No, I would prefer keeping using
Debian's binaries ;-)
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 05:51:40PM -0600, Derek Martin wrote:
Top posting almost invariably requires me to re-read WAY more of the
previous thread than I would have had to if the user posted in line
and trimmed quoted text appropriately. And on top of that, you have
to read, in chunks,
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 02:57:00PM -0800, Jeremy Kitchen wrote:
I really can't believe I'm about to say this, but:
HTML solves this problem entirely.
There, I said it.
If you keep track, you'll probably find, as I have, that HTML-only
e-mail is between 99% to 100% spam. I send those to
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 02:34:59PM -0600, David Champion wrote:
* On 20 Nov 2012, David Champion wrote:
* On 20 Nov 2012, Peter Davis wrote:
Is there any reasonly easy (non-painful) way to put a table in a
message? A plain text table would be fine if I could limit it to 72
characters
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:52:58PM -0600, David Champion wrote:
A welcome addition to this thread would be information on how to
compose in qpff using mutt.
http://mutt-ng.berlios.de/manual/format-flowed.html
is the one I've seen before.
Also noticed this, though I don't know if it's correct:
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 01:41:02AM +0100, E. Prom wrote:
When replying to an e-mail with an empty subject, the subject of the
answer is set to Re: your mail.
I thought it was configurable, but didn't find anything from a quick
search in TFM. Also, it looks like it's hard-coded in send.c.
w
On 2012-11-20, Will Yardley wrote:
As far as quoting flowed text, I don't love mutt's current handling of
it -- I still prefer the behavior of patch-1.5.5.1.gj.stuff_all_quoted.3
(space-stuffing all quoted lines vs. just the last one, which is
obviously the more conservative way to go). If
I am dialing in to an ubuntu 12.04 LTS machine that has mutt
with hyperterminal on windows 7. When it displays the index
some of the subjects are garbage characters instead of the
subject. I tried set charset=UTF8 and set charset=ISO-8859-1
but neither solves the problem. Does anyone have a
* On 20 Nov 2012, Brian Salter-Duke wrote:
map T {
!}mutt-table
...
### press T over table to format
This looks great, but I am unclear what one does precisely. I created
the script, and added the stuff to .exrc (actually created that file, as
I use .vimrc). Then I added the text for
* On 20 Nov 2012, Linda wrote:
I am dialing in to an ubuntu 12.04 LTS machine that has mutt with
hyperterminal on windows 7. When it displays the index some of the subjects
are garbage characters instead of the subject. I tried set charset=UTF8 and
set charset=ISO-8859-1 but neither solves
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:16:40PM -0600, David Champion wrote:
* On 20 Nov 2012, Brian Salter-Duke wrote:
map T {
!}mutt-table
...
### press T over table to format
This looks great, but I am unclear what one does precisely. I created
the script, and added the stuff to .exrc
On 2012-11-21, horse_rivers wrote:
hi,
in my mutt mailbox , I do not know why all mails contain so many
useless message text , as below:
Received: by x
Received: from
envelope-from xxx
Received: by mailxxx
..
El día Tuesday, November 20, 2012 a las 10:57:03PM -0600, Linda escribió:
I am dialing in to an ubuntu 12.04 LTS machine that has mutt
with hyperterminal on windows 7. When it displays the index
some of the subjects are garbage characters instead of the
subject. I tried set charset=UTF8
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 01:37:36PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
Your preferences don't apply everywhere. In most of the (many) places
I've worked, top-posting is the normal, and preferred practice. That
way, you can quickly see what someone has added to the conversation
without wading through
* On 20 Nov 2012, Brian Salter-Duke wrote:
OK, I have done that. I also changed nroff to groff as I have both and
they are different sizes. However, I still do not really understand by
press T over table to format. I type the table, hit esc and then
shift-T. Nothing happens. What am I
/ Bernard Massot wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 0:18:09 +0100 /
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 04:37:11PM -0600, Jim Graham wrote:
Note the corners: periods on top, and ` ' on the bottom. IMHO, this
looks better. But that IS just my opinion. :-) And just on a style
note, I would also condense
On Wed, November 21, 2012 07:39, David Champion wrote:
* On 20 Nov 2012, Brian Salter-Duke wrote:
OK, I have done that. I also changed nroff to groff as I have both and
they are different sizes. However, I still do not really understand by
press T over table to format. I type the table, hit
On 2012-11-21, David Champion wrote:
* On 20 Nov 2012, Brian Salter-Duke wrote:
OK, I have done that. I also changed nroff to groff as I have both and
they are different sizes. However, I still do not really understand by
press T over table to format. I type the table, hit esc and then
/ Matthias Apitz wrote on Wed 21.Nov'12 at 6:54:38 +0100 /
Most likely the charset of your terminal does not match the NLS
environment (LANG) which you have after login into the Ubuntu. I do not
know hyperterminal, i.e. if you can control this in hyperterminal; if
not, use PuTTY as a
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