Re: Disappointment at DENIC over Poor Rating in .net Procedure

2005-04-01 Thread Elmar K. Bins
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Florian Weimer) wrote: > > As always: Never trust a statistic you have not faked yourself ... > > I doubt that DENIC will ever publish the technical part of its bid, so > this isn't convincing. Like you already admitted on the DENIC list, this has of course been made public,

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Eric A. Hall
On 4/1/2005 12:34 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > on the other hand I disagree with your example that the US is inventing > everything, Nope, didn't say that either. > Also, look at where implementation of high-speed local access is being > done, it's not in the US anyway. Also a reflection

Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance

2005-04-01 Thread Michael . Dillon
> VoIP is great. VoPI (Voice over Public Internet) is great when it works, > but I wouldn't bet my life or my business on it. Who says that you have to disconnect your home phone just because you use VoIP? In fact, one of the advantages of DSL over cable, is that the phone line is still there.

P2P Usage Increases was: (Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance)

2005-04-01 Thread Michael . Dillon
> > My guess would be that PtP is a much bigger bandwidth hog than gaming, > > especially for the people who have high upstream capacity (10meg+). > > the seven biggest isps in japan recently cooperated on a really > good paper measuring a lot about broadband use in japan. it is > in the most

Re: Disappointment at DENIC over Poor Rating in .net Procedure

2005-04-01 Thread Florian Weimer
* Bill Woodcock: > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Florian Weimer wrote: > > Yes, the selection of criteria could be biased. Or Telcordia compared > > apples and oranges when it compared Verisign's 100 ms to DENIC's > > 200 ms (or what the actual numbers where). > > Yeah, I was a little c

P2P Usage Increases was: (Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance)

2005-04-01 Thread Andrew Odlyzko
> > > My guess would be that PtP is a much bigger bandwidth hog than gaming, > > > especially for the people who have high upstream capacity (10meg+). > > > > the seven biggest isps in japan recently cooperated on a really > > good paper measuring a lot about broadband use in japan. it

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Michael . Dillon
> most american PBX's don't have 911 as a dialplan. you have to dial 9-911. > this isn't a violation of the law as long as there's a warning labelabout it. > but go ahead and visit a few large companies and tell me how many such warning > labels you see. as an added boon, note that campuses w

The Cidr Report

2005-04-01 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Apr 1 21:44:47 2005 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table Hist

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Niels Bakker
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Fri 01 Apr 2005, 13:33 CEST]: > Why can't we have VoIP phones with built-in GPS receivers and a Because GPS doesn't work indoors. -- Niels. -- The idle mind is the devil's playground

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread David Barak
--- Owen DeLong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't speak for Paul, but, I propose that the > government stop telling > me what I do or don't need, and what risks are or > are not acceptable for > my family and allow me to make those choices for > myself. This belief == libertarianism, no? I

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Michael . Dillon
> > Why can't we have VoIP phones with built-in GPS receivers and a > > Because GPS doesn't work indoors. GPS works anywhere where the satellite signals can be detected. http://www.u-blox.com/technology/supersense.html Obviously, signals get weaker when they have to pass through solid materials

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Niels Bakker
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Fri 01 Apr 2005, 14:57 CEST]: >>> Why can't we have VoIP phones with built-in GPS receivers and a >> Because GPS doesn't work indoors. > > GPS works anywhere where the satellite signals can be detected. > http://www.u-blox.com/technology/supersense.html > Obviously, signals g

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Robert Bonomi
> To: nanog@merit.edu > Subject: Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors ) > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:58:39 +0100 > > > > > Why can't we have VoIP phones with built-in GPS receivers and a > > > > Because GPS doesn't work indoors. > > GPS works anywhere wh

Re: Telcordia report on ICANN .net RFP Evaluation

2005-04-01 Thread Patrick W Gilmore
On Apr 1, 2005, at 1:07 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: I do believe that study is open to peer review? Telcordia ranking VRSN way ahead does seem to be raising some hackles here it is oddly interesting to see the persistent -- one might even say tenacious -- clearly bi-modal clustering of assessments

RFC 4041

2005-04-01 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Requirements for Morality Sections in Routing Area Drafts ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc4041.txt Cheers, - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RFC 4041

2005-04-01 Thread william(at)elan.net
You need more brain power to understand that draft, so I recommend you quickly get new Google Gulp: http://www.google.com/googlegulp/ On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: Requirements for Morality Sections in Routing Area Drafts ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.org/in-notes/rfc4041.txt Cheers

Positioning technology

2005-04-01 Thread Roy
GPS type technology that works indoors http://www.rosum.com/rosum_tv-gps_indoor_location_technology.html Roy Engehausen Robert Bonomi wrote: To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors ) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:58:39 +0100 Why c

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Barak) writes: > > sure as hell, we'll see laws requiring every home to have a telephone, > > to have that telephone in the kitchen or other main room of the home, > > and to be clearly marked. then the POTS tithe comes back, it'll be > > with vengeance. > > So given th

Re: Telcordia report on ICANN .net RFP Evaluation

2005-04-01 Thread Edward Lewis
At 8:48 +0530 3/30/05, someone wrote: Telcordia ranking VRSN way ahead does seem to be raising some hackles here Telcordia did not rank VRSN "way ahead" of the rest. Being that I work for one of the bidding teams (Sentan), I merely want to point out that the above statement is untrue. Below are t

Re: outage/maintenance window opinion

2005-04-01 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 04:28:01PM -0500, Howard, W. Lee wrote: > Luke Parrish: > > In this situation we were expecting to be done for the majority of > > the maintenance window, but yes I see your point. However I block > > out a 3 hour window for maintenance because the activities I am > > perfo

Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance

2005-04-01 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 05:06:00PM -0800, Bill Nash wrote: > I find this to be entertaining, since as a VOIP consumer, I'm reimbursing > my ISP for the cost of the traffic as part of my monthly tithe. Why > exactly are networks taking this stance to QoS VOIP traffic, generated by > their custom

Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Priceless. ;-) The Register: Published Friday 1st April 2005 15:22 GMT "Cisco Systems and Kraft Foods shocked investors today with an unlikely mega-acquisition that will see Cisco buy Kraft's Nabisco unit for $15bn. Perhaps even more surprising, former RJR Nabisco and IBM CEO Lou Gerstner has c

Re: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Robert Boyle
At 11:45 AM 4/1/2005, you wrote: Priceless. ;-) The Register: Published Friday 1st April 2005 15:22 GMT "Cisco Systems and Kraft Foods shocked investors today with an unlikely mega-acquisition that will see Cisco buy Kraft's Nabisco unit for $15bn. Perhaps even more surprising, former RJR Nabisco a

Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance

2005-04-01 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > VoIP is great. VoPI (Voice over Public Internet) is great when > > it works, but I wouldn't bet my life or my business on it. > > Who says that you have to disconnect your home phone > just because you use VoIP? In fact, one of the advantages > of DSL over cable

Re: Positioning technology

2005-04-01 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Roy wrote: GPS type technology that works indoors http://www.rosum.com/rosum_tv-gps_indoor_location_technology.html the massive uhf antenna on your voip phone will be impressive. Roy Engehausen Robert Bonomi wrote: To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Bl

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Adi Linden
> Personally, I'm quite glad for government regulations > regarding food safety, home inspection, and lots of > other things which are safety related. There are > other restrictions which I'm not thrilled about, but I > have yet to hear a compelling reason (which does not > inherently boil down t

Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance

2005-04-01 Thread Bill Nash
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Stephen Sprunk wrote: I understand the woes of mixing 911 and VoIP myself, although I'm not a Vonage user. The VoIP phone on my desk connects 911 calls to the Vancouver, BC, PSAP (since it's off a PBX at work), but I also know the direct-dial number for the local Dallas, TX, PS

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Bill Nash
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Adi Linden wrote: If VoIP companies are regulated into providing 911 service, minimum availability standards, etc is one thing. Forcing anyone that might be transporting VoIP into becoming a Telco is quite another... At this point, I think it's simply an argument over the interp

Re: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Bill Nash
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Robert Boyle wrote: Brilliant move Cisco! This should give Cisco a keen and unprecedented insight into the inner workings of the cracker culture which will enable better network security. 'Network devices are rated by total packet volume, not chassis weight. Packets may sett

Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance

2005-04-01 Thread Adi Linden
> Frankly, I'm fine with 911 not working on VoIP lines; I have a cell phone > for that when needed. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure I've ever > actually dialed 911 from a land line. You're lying on the floor incapacitated and in agony, suffering from some acute and life threatening medic

Re: Disappointment at DENIC over Poor Rating in .net Procedure

2005-04-01 Thread Bill Woodcock
> a.nic.de is with RIPE in Amsterdam > f.nic.de and z.nic.de are in Frankfurt > c.de.net. is with Savvis in Santa Clara > s.de.net is with Deutsche Telekom in Germany > l.de.net I see over Mediaways/Telefonica DE in London (what a poor choice, scary) For what it's worth, a hi

RE: RFC 4041

2005-04-01 Thread Howard, W. Lee
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Fergie (Paul Ferguson) > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 9:22 AM > To: nanog@merit.edu > Subject: RFC 4041 > > > > > Requirements for Morality Sections in Routing Area Drafts > ftp://ftp.rfc-editor.o

Re: Telcordia report on ICANN .net RFP Evaluation

2005-04-01 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
> >ICANN Opens Public Comment Forum on .NET Evaluators' Report > >29 March 2005 /dev/null.

RE: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Dave Hilton
Runts are hereinafter referred to as crumbs. Hilton

Re: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 1 11:30:15 2005 > Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 09:33:16 -0800 (PST) > From: Bill Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Robert Boyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: nanog@merit.edu > Subject: Re: Cisco to merge with Nabisco > > > On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Robert Boyle wrote: > > > Brillian

RE: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Church, Chuck
Incorrectly chosen switching path can now result in lost packets AND indigestion. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hilton Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 12:44 PM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: Cisco to merge with Nabisco Ru

.net report slammed again

2005-04-01 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Not an April 1st lark, from The Register: "The report that decided ownership of the .net registry has come under heavy criticism for a second time this week." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/01/net_report_spat/ - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the In

Re: Telcordia report on ICANN .net RFP Evaluation

2005-04-01 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams in Portland Maine
> But my recent post was not "against" (or "for", for that matter) > Verisign. I am just disappointed that ICANN did not have the integrity > to select a company that is _truly_ independent to judge the > applicants. In the prior round ICANN picked a company doing non-trivial business with th

RE: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Bill Nash
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Church, Chuck wrote: Incorrectly chosen switching path can now result in lost packets AND indigestion. Is this mitigated by activating Nabisco Express Forwarding?

RE: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance

2005-04-01 Thread Alexander Kiwerski
>> Frankly, I'm fine with 911 not working on VoIP lines; I have a cell phone >> for that when needed. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure I've ever >> actually dialed 911 from a land line. > >You're lying on the floor incapacitated and in agony, suffering from some >acute and life threatenin

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread David Barak
--- Adi Linden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If VoIP companies are regulated into providing 911 > service, minimum > availability standards, etc is one thing. Forcing > anyone that might be > transporting VoIP into becoming a Telco is quite > another... I agree - the former is exactly the direct

RE: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Robert Boyle
At 01:09 PM 4/1/2005, you wrote: On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Church, Chuck wrote: Incorrectly chosen switching path can now result in lost packets AND indigestion. Is this mitigated by activating Nabisco Express Forwarding? That would be really bad! You would almost immediately gain 300lbs if you enabled

Weekly Routing Table Report

2005-04-01 Thread Routing Table Analysis
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 02 Apr, 2005

RE: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance

2005-04-01 Thread Alex Bligh
--On 01 April 2005 10:05 -0800 Alexander Kiwerski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And for the record, the GPS locators currently in cell phones tend *not* to work indoors, so even if you are lucky enough to live in an area where E911 is plugged into your cell phone carrier's locator service, you stil

RE: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Dave Hilton
Must we now redefine "nibbles" & "bytes".

Re: Disappointment at DENIC over Poor Rating in .net Procedure

2005-04-01 Thread Randy Bush
> For what it's worth, a highly scientific measurement from my house in > Berkeley, the authoritative location for all quantitative evaluation of > the Internet, using secret proprietary round-trip latency-measurement > tools... > > a.nic.de, 100 packets, 7% packet loss > round-trip mi

Re: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread bob
Resellers beware- New distribution channels will be opened up, Girl Scouts will soon be seen offering byte-able cookies in blue-green boxes, door to door and in unlikely places! Stale inventory is not expected to become a problem even with the increased distribution.

Re: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 10:15:55 PST, Dave Hilton said: > > Must we now redefine "nibbles" & "bytes". > Read RFC4042 - they've just been increased 12.5%. Supersize-me! :) pgpQxtmI8nUVh.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Positioning technology

2005-04-01 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Roy wrote: > > > > > GPS type technology that works indoors > > > > http://www.rosum.com/rosum_tv-gps_indoor_location_technology.html > > the massive uhf antenna on your voip phone will be impressive. its integreated into the 'hand

Re: Positioning technology

2005-04-01 Thread Roy
Joel Jaeggli wrote: On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Roy wrote: GPS type technology that works indoors http://www.rosum.com/rosum_tv-gps_indoor_location_technology.html the massive uhf antenna on your voip phone will be impressive. Its a great excuse to build TV and video into your VOIP phone. OR build VOIP

Re: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Steve Sobol
"Church, Chuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Incorrectly chosen switching path can now result in lost packets AND > indigestion. I wonder how they're going to integrate Chips Ahoy into the existing Cisco lineup. Nabisco always used to advertise that Chips Ahoy has far more chips than any of the

Community Experiences with the InterNIC Whois Data Problem Reports Sys tem

2005-04-01 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
While I was poking around on the ICANN and GNSO web sites, I ran across this report which might be of interest: Community Experiences with the InterNIC Whois Data Problem Reports System 31 March 2005 http://www.icann.org/whois/wdprs-report-final-31mar05.htm "This Report summarizes ICANN's exp

Re: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Richard Cox
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 10:15:55 -0800 "Dave Hilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Must we now redefine "nibbles" & "bytes". Well, I guess remote configs will have to be disabled - from now on the only permitted access will be via the cereal port ... Richard

Re: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Michael Moscovitch
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Steve Sobol wrote: > > "Church, Chuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Incorrectly chosen switching path can now result in lost packets AND > > indigestion. > > I wonder how they're going to integrate Chips Ahoy into the existing Cisco > lineup. Nabisco always used to advert

qwest packet drops?

2005-04-01 Thread Wyatt Smiarli, Esq.
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RE: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Church, Chuck
Yes. According to the Keebler elves, who now are 3rd level TAC engineers... Chuck Church Lead Design Engineer CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE Netco Government Services - Design & Implementation Team 1210 N. Parker Rd. Greenville, SC 29609 Home office: 864-335-9473 Cell: 703-819-3495 [EMAIL PROTECTED] P

Yes, I realize it's April Fools Day, but... (was: Cisco to merge with Nabisco)

2005-04-01 Thread Bill Woodcock
...the "reformed" NANOG list moderation committee seems to suffer foolishness somewhat more gladly than the old regime. Could we have a little more backbone in the moderation, please? I don't want to be reading about crackers until this time next year. -Bill

RE: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Andy Grosser
You mean SNACK engineers, right? - Andy > Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:35:11 -0600 > From: "Church, Chuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Bill Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: nanog@merit.edu > Subject: RE: Cisco to merge with Nabisco > > > Yes. According to the Keebler elves, who now are 3rd level TAC >

Re: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Robert Bonomi
> From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Apr 1 13:19:44 2005 > Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 20:18:38 +0100 > From: Richard Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: nanog@merit.edu > Subject: Re: Cisco to merge with Nabisco > > > On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 10:15:55 -0800 > "Dave Hilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Must we now r

Re: Yes, I realize it's April Fools Day, but... (was: Cisco to merge with Nabisco)

2005-04-01 Thread Randy Bush
> ...the "reformed" NANOG list moderation committee seems to suffer > foolishness somewhat more gladly than the old regime. Could we have a > little more backbone in the moderation, please? I don't want to be > reading about crackers until this time next year. fix your mail reader's filters,

Re: Yes, I realize it's April Fools Day, but... (was: Cisco to merge with Nabisco)

2005-04-01 Thread Bill Nash
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Bill Woodcock wrote: ...the "reformed" NANOG list moderation committee seems to suffer foolishness somewhat more gladly than the old regime. Could we have a little more backbone in the moderation, please? I don't want to be reading about crackers until this time next year. "In

RE: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Ejay Hire
They don't already? -ejay > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Church, Chuck > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:54 AM > To: nanog@merit.edu > Subject: RE: Cisco to merge with Nabisco > > > Incorrectly chosen switching path can now res

Re: Yes, I realize it's April Fools Day, but... (was: Cisco to merge with Nabisco)

2005-04-01 Thread Joe Provo
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 11:45:16AM -0800, Bill Woodcock wrote: > > ...the "reformed" NANOG list moderation committee seems to suffer > foolishness somewhat more gladly than the old regime. Could we have a > little more backbone in the moderation, please? I don't want to be > reading about cr

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread just me
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why can't we have VoIP phones with built-in GPS receivers and a built-in 911 dialplan that makes the phone transmit your coordinates along with the emergency call? are you serious? if you are, why don't you ask for a pony while you're at it.

RE: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Jay Hennigan
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Bill Nash wrote: > On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Church, Chuck wrote: > > > > Incorrectly chosen switching path can now result in lost packets AND > > indigestion. > > Is this mitigated by activating Nabisco Express Forwarding? Yes, but this is only available with the Gastric Bypass fe

Re: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 09:33:16AM -0800, Bill Nash wrote: > 'Network devices are rated by total packet volume, not chassis weight. > Packets may settle during shipping.' No, Bill, that's the VoIP thread. Pay attention. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth

Re: Yes, I realize it's April Fools Day, but... (was: Cisco to merge with Nabisco)

2005-04-01 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 03:02:06PM -0500, Joe Provo wrote: > On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 11:45:16AM -0800, Bill Woodcock wrote: > > ...the "reformed" NANOG list moderation committee seems to suffer > > foolishness somewhat more gladly than the old regime. Could we have a > > little more backbone in

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Owen DeLong
Actually, that's an interesting point... What if SIP based phones could "know" do the following: 1. If they know where they are, include: X-Lat: N/S dd:mm:ss.sss X-Lon: E/W ddd:mm:ss.sss In the SIP headers. 2. If they do

Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors

2005-04-01 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 11:58:50PM +, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > Given that, certainly some networks might choose to NOT transport VOIP or > HTTP or BitTorennt across their networks. There are market reasons why > this will, or could, eventually force them to re-evaluate their practices >

Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance

2005-04-01 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 04:56:27PM +1000, Jamie Norwood wrote: > On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:33:49 -0800, Alexei Roudnev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Heard of a little thing called 'spam'? > > > > So what? You can use your car as a weapon; should we prohibit you from car > > driving? > > No, but

Re: Positioning technology

2005-04-01 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Joel Jaeggli wrote: On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Roy wrote: GPS type technology that works indoors http://www.rosum.com/rosum_tv-gps_indoor_location_technology.html the massive uhf antenna on your voip phone will be impressive. its integre

Re: Yes, I realize it's April Fools Day, but... (was: Cisco to merge with Nabisco)

2005-04-01 Thread John Kristoff
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 15:02:06 -0500 Joe Provo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have as much humour as the next guy, but [insert renewed call for > nanog-chat or nanog-social or whatever would keep the chitchat in a > different blasted bucket]. Heck, if this is the general bucket than and nanog-li

Re: Yes, I realize it's April Fools Day, but... (was: Cisco to merge with Nabisco)

2005-04-01 Thread Randy Bush
> and nanog-linkexchange :-) Sometimes I think people post links so > they can incite flame wars without actually looking like a flame war > participant. and i think they do it because they don't know how to set up their own blog so they can tell the grandkids what they read today. randy

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 09:45:42AM -0800, David Barak wrote: > >we're going to have to integrate it into our computers. ("dammit, i > >need a decent quality USB headset for less than USD $300!") because > >as long as something looks-like-a-phone, the POTS empire can use the > >NANP (or local equiv

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 11:25:27AM -0800, David Barak wrote: > > most american PBX's don't have 911 as a dialplan. > > you have to dial 9-911. > > We work on different PBXes. The ones on which I work > are specifically configured to respond to 911 OR 9-911 > to avoid a problem. Would YOU want

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 09:30:19AM -0800, Bill Nash wrote: > On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Adi Linden wrote: > > If VoIP companies are regulated into providing 911 service, minimum > > availability standards, etc is one thing. Forcing anyone that might be > > transporting VoIP into becoming a Telco is quite

Re: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
Does this mean our routers will be edible? :-) On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 04:45:17PM +, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: > > > Priceless. ;-) > > The Register: > Published Friday 1st April 2005 15:22 GMT > > "Cisco Systems and Kraft Foods shocked investors today > with an unlikely mega-acquisit

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Jay R. Ashworth
On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 06:48:08PM +, Paul Vixie wrote: > but go ahead and visit a few large companies and tell me how many such warning > labels you see. as an added boon, note that campuses with blocks of 1000 DIDs > end up using the corporate headquarters or the address of the PBX as the 9

Re: Cisco to merge with Nabisco

2005-04-01 Thread Wayne E. Bouchard
On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 10:09:12AM -0800, Bill Nash wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Church, Chuck wrote: > > > > >Incorrectly chosen switching path can now result in lost packets AND > >indigestion. > > > > Is this mitigated by activating Nabisco Express Forwarding? . o O ( aka diarrhea? ) -

Re: Positioning technology

2005-04-01 Thread Robert M. Enger
The "A" in A-GPS does not come from 12,500 miles away, as their web site asserts. The "A" is ephemeris and other over-head info, and in this context is transmitted by the mobile phone network. GlobalLocate Corp and SIRF both tout receiver designs that incorporate massively parallel correlator

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Paul Vixie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ("Jay R. Ashworth") writes: > There are, as I implied in another post, many unobvious end-to-end > systemic characteristics that make the PSTN the PSTN that Internet > Telephony isn't going to be able to fulfill for some time, if ever, due > to the differing fundamental engineer

Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance

2005-04-01 Thread David Barak
--- "Jay R. Ashworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, and I think the distinction is pertinent > to this discussion, > if the car has no seatbelts, you can drive it just > fine -- as long as > it came that way. You can't *sell* a car without > seatbelts, anymore. That may be the rule in

cable management systems

2005-04-01 Thread Justin M. Streiner
I've been tasked with evaluating cable management software systems for my employer. I work for a large university with 30-35,000 phones and roughly as many computers spread across 100+ buildings in 5 campuses, with substantial copper, coax, and fiber plants. That said, I'm much more interested

Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance

2005-04-01 Thread Kevin Oberman
David, While it's true that you must wear seatbelts in most states *IF THE CAR HAS SEATBELTS WHEN MANUFACTURED*. As far as I know, no state requires the installation of belts in a 1929 Ford Roadster or any other car that predates the use of seat belts. NOTE: This is NOT going to NANOG. -- R. Ke

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Dan Hollis
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Randy Bush wrote: > > (speaking of amazon, i found that usb headsets are down to ~$34.94 > > now. yay!) > if you mean the logitech 980130-0403, $32 at newegg > why is usb better than the headset/mic jacks? because integrated or pci audio are often plagued by internal electrica

Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance

2005-04-01 Thread Kevin Oberman
Oops! Very sorry. (Man, this is embarrassing!) -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +1 510 486-8634 > Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 14:09:08 -0800 > Fro

Re: Positioning technology

2005-04-01 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Joel Jaeggli wrote: > > > >> > >> On Fri, 1 Apr 2005, Roy wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> GPS type technology that works indoors > >>> > >>> http://www.rosum.com/rosum_tv-gps_indoor_lo

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Randy Bush
> (speaking of amazon, i found that usb headsets are down to ~$34.94 > now. yay!) if you mean the logitech 980130-0403, $32 at newegg why is usb better than the headset/mic jacks? randy

RE: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance

2005-04-01 Thread Owen DeLong
Also, as a former medical professional who has some actual experience with these scenarios, I'd like to point out that the percentage of times that people are _NOT_ screwed, even if the location pops up and EMS gets there as absolutely fast as possible is less than 1%. That's right... If you are h

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake "David Barak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > --- Paul Vixie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > most american PBX's don't have 911 as a dialplan. > > you have to dial 9-911. > > We work on different PBXes. The ones on which I work > are specifically configured to respond to 911 OR 9-911 > to avoid a

Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance

2005-04-01 Thread Stephen Sprunk
Thus spake "Adi Linden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Frankly, I'm fine with 911 not working on VoIP lines; I have a cell phone > > for that when needed. Now that I think about it, I'm not sure I've ever > > actually dialed 911 from a land line. > > You're lying on the floor incapacitated and in agony,

Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance

2005-04-01 Thread Owen DeLong
> That may be the rule in Florida, but in DC, MD, and UT > (the states in which I've lived in the past 2 > decades), you can be be ticketed if you are driving a > car and not wearing a seatbelt. > This is true in CA, too. However, the law in CA specifically provides that if you are driving a ca

Re: potpourri (Re: Clearwire May Block VoIP Competitors )

2005-04-01 Thread Owen DeLong
USB is better because almost every computer today has USB ports. Not all of them have headset/mic jacks. My personal favorite is the Telex H551 implemented as a USB adapter which provides standard headset/mic jacks. Owen --On Friday, April 1, 2005 2:00 PM -0800 Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w

RE: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance

2005-04-01 Thread Hannigan, Martin
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Owen DeLong > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 7:08 PM > To: David Barak; nanog@merit.edu > Subject: Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance > > [ SNIP ] > Email. Why should > it apply to VOIP? Just because it's

Peribit "sequence reducers" -- do they worth the investment?

2005-04-01 Thread MARLON BORBA
Dear sirs, My bosses are fascinated with the so-called "sequence reducers" from Peribit Networks (www.peribit.com). Are their equipments a good investment? Any opinion will be welcome. Regards, Marlon Borba, CISSP.