Re: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects

As always, it seems to boil down the the ROI on security/safety. Corporations are notorious for shedding the costs for security/safety whenever possible, even to their own detriment, because they don't understand the value of good will. Kurt On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Andrew S. Baker wr

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Companies are not *built* or incentivized for good will. They are only incentivized for profit and the mythical "shareholder value". And the freer the market, the greater the desire for ROI. *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Providing Virtual CIO Services

RE: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects

> Why some open-source project enjoy so much more corporate support than others > -- > http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/virtual-cio/linux-vs-openssl-support-a-matter-of-revenue-potential-60915 > > Please take a look at this article and let me know what you think... So, if we're gonna compare "Linux" t

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g Windows. -Original Message- From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Joseph L. Casale Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 9:43 PM To: 'ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com' Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects > Why s

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Re: Companies' incentives: That's not universally true. I refer you to companies that have as at least some of their core operating principles the ideas of customer service - Nordstrom, Les Schwab, and a few others, possibly Costco and UPS. I'm sure others can point out more examples, but I can spe

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On 21.04.2014 03:17, Andrew S. Baker wrote: Companies are not *built* or incentivized for good will. They are only incentivized for profit and the mythical "shareholder value". What is the ROI for being listed here http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members Maybe they should create an OpenS

RE: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects

..@lists.myitforum.com > [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 1:49 AM > To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects > > Re: Companies' incentives: That's not universally

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I agree that it was not a good idea to make a comparison between an entire OS and a specific app... But, that's what I had to work with (in responding to the NY Times article) *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations &

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*>>What is the ROI for being listed here http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members * Being listed there is a by-product of supporting something that gives them leverage on the desktop vs Microsoft. It's essentially the gravy that allows people to th

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On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Steven M. Caesare wrote: >> Re: Companies' incentives: That's not universally true. I refer you to >> companies that have as at least some of their core operating principles the >> ideas of customer service - > > That's an ends to a means. That customer service e

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014 10:07 AM > To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Steven M. Caesare > wrote: > >> Re: Companies' incentives: That's not universally true. I refer you > &g

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..@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff >> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 10:07 AM >> To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com >> Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects >> >> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Steven M. Caesare >> wrote:

RE: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects

f Of Kurt Buff > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 10:30 AM > To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects > > Pretty much any market will support some number of merely (or nearly) > competent vendors. > > For some, th

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So, only the category leaders (and those vying to be category leaders) offer customer service? Are there any category leaders that *don't* offer customer service (or anything approaching real customer service), while others in their category do? *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*

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Can you say "Comcast" ?? I knew you could... From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Baker Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 6:20 PM To: ntsysadm Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects So, only th

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art/Sears seem to have forgotten that and think that only prices matter. Jon From: mich...@smithcons.com To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 22:24:58 + Can you say “Comcast” ?? I knew yo

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RE: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects

sts.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects Can you say “Comcast” ?? I knew you could… From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com<mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com> [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Baker Sent: Monday, Ap

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No, not all category leaders are good at customer service. As MBS has pointed out, those who have monopoly grants from the government often prosper without customer service. Those who offer retail Internet connectivity (often WISPs), have customer service as a differentiator - sometimes it's their

RE: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects

o: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects Can you say “Comcast” ?? I knew you could… From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Baker Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 6:20 PM T

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Product selection is not customer service, per se. Understanding one's market, making a niche market is not a function of customer service, it's good business. Customer service would be like loading your car, assisting you down the aisles, picking your order on your behalf, and/or delivery to you

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True, but as I stated, they also have customer service, and I wouldn't shop there without it. They are genuinely nice folks who routinely make me happy to have shopped there. Kurt On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Jonathan Link wrote: > Product selection is not customer service, per se. Underst

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You haven't even described the service that they provide, merely that they have different products than the corporate chain stores. So, the only thing that we can evaluate that store on, is that you say they have good customer service and they have a good selection of products that the large corpo

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" However, that store likely doesn't scale nationally now, does it? If it did, there would be more of them, right?" But then he might not frequent them any more because they're just a big chain and their services would be diminished. On Apr 22, 2014 7:29 AM, "Jonathan Link" wrote: > You haven't

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Hmm... On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Don Ely wrote: > " However, that store likely doesn't scale nationally now, does it? If it > did, there would be more of them, right?" > > But then he might not frequent them any more because they're just a big > chain and their services would be dimini

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gt; > > > I knew you could... > > > > *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: > listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew S. Baker > *Sent:* Monday, April 21, 2014 6:20 PM > *To:* ntsysadm > > *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-So

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*>>As MBS has pointed out, those who have monopoly grants from the government often prosper without customer service.* Is that that MBS pointed out? Or are you just willing to extrapolate all that in order to support your otherwise unsubstantiated argument? Does Google have a monopoly grant from

RE: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects

iPhone thread -sc From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Baker Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:19 AM To: ntsysadm Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects >>As MBS has pointed out, those wh

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Yeah, that's not quite what I was going for there... From: listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto:listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Baker Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:19 AM To: ntsysadm Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects >>

RE: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects

: ntsysadm Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects " However, that store likely doesn't scale nationally now, does it? If it did, there would be more of them, right?" But then he might not frequent them any more because they're just a big chain and

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Service incident, illustrative #1: I did one of my major Saturday shopping days there last year.I rolled the cart back into the store after unloading and drove home. I realized at home that I had left the pack of Fresca that my wife wanted in the bottom of the cart. I returned the next day while ge

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um.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew S. Baker > > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:19 AM > *To:* ntsysadm > *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects > > > > *>>As MBS has pointed out, those who have monopoly grants from the > government often

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My apologies. I put words into his mouth that I shouldn't have, and without meaning to. I can only plead distraction - we laid off 17 people yesterday. It's been a rough couple of days. I'll continue this conversation this weekend, when I have a bit more time. Kurt On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 8:19

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rum.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff Sent: Thursday, 24 April 2014 7:58 AM To: ntsysadm@lists.myitforum.com Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OT: Corporate Support of Open-Source projects Service incident, illustrative #1: I did one of my major Saturday shopping days there last year.I rolled the cart back into th

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ah, that’s not quite what I was going for there… >> >> >> >> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: >> listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew S. Baker >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:19 AM >> *To:* ntsysadm >> *S

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gt; >>> >>> >>> *From:* listsad...@lists.myitforum.com [mailto: >>> listsad...@lists.myitforum.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew S. Baker >>> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 22, 2014 11:19 AM >>> *To:* ntsysadm >>> *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM]