Here is what I received from my Cisco guy.
ONE
The Cisco ASA CLI for all idle connections is the following would change
it to 15 minutes
timeout conn 00:15:00 half-closed 0:10:00 udp 0:02:00 icmp 0:00:02
TWO
But, since they come from the world of switch/routers
When you use the ASA GUI to make rule changes, it doesn't put the correct
syntax on the rule.
what version of ADSM are you running ?
Erik Goldoff
IT Consultant
Systems, Networks, Security
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From: Cesare' A. Ramos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008
The one that requires Java 5.1.3.2.5.2.555 exactly or won't work.
From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 6:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cisco ASA Assistance
When you use the ASA GUI to make rule changes, it doesn't put the correct
Hmmm, against an ASA5520 I've been using ADSM 5.0(6) and it claims Java
Version 1.6.0_02 ... not even close to what you list...
Erik Goldoff
IT Consultant
Systems, Networks, Security
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From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:34 AM
It's actually a bit of Cisco humor as their gui's used to be very dependent
and specific Java versions.
From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 6:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cisco ASA Assistance
Hmmm, against an ASA5520 I've been
We're using a combination of folder redirection and roaming profiles, with
users' data stored somewhere like \\oldserver\sharename. That server has an
external PowerVault RAID system attached to it, and that's where sharename is
located.
Oldserver is at the end of its lifecycle and needs to be
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Free, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Creating trusts is generally also dependent on short-name(NetBios)
Ah. Doesn't surprise me. Good to know. :)
NetBios is not as dead as some would have you think.
Yah. Microsoft keeps says NetBIOS is decreated, but
Have you thought about doing DFS instead?
Jon
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:06 AM, John Hornbuckle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We're using a combination of folder redirection and roaming profiles, with
users' data stored somewhere like \\oldserver\sharename. That server has an
external PowerVault
I've been doing backup to disk backups and backup to tape backups for a
long time. I've always liked backup to disk because restores can occur so
much quicker when restoring a single file or two. However, the other day I
was doing some testing and found that my backup to tape backups are a LOT
Currently fighting the same issue, with no luck. Thankfully this is just a
server we host installation packages on. OldServer and NewServer.
I have static dns and wins entries for OldServer pointing to the IP address of
NewServer. \\OldServer from start run on any desktop usually brings up
I'd say you definitely have an issue with backup to disk. We do the
same thing (however, it's a SAN to SAN backup) it is considerably faster
than tape.
Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Memorial Medical Center
231-845-2319
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Chinnery, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wanted to ask the group for their opinions regarding other company's
products ...
95% of all network traffic passes through this switch which is a layer 3,
btw. 48 gig ports, 6 or so gbics and the balance will be 100
ahhh, humor, arrr-a-a
I actually only started using the gui recently, more of a CLI person myself
...
Erik Goldoff
IT Consultant
Systems, Networks, Security
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From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:48 AM
To: NT System
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:06 AM, John Hornbuckle
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So here's what I was thinking of doing... I'd like to create a DNS record for
a new, generic server name--maybe profiles--and point it to the IP address
of oldserver.
Historically, Windows SMB could never handle
Another cool thing about HP is that they have full wire speed throughput
on each port. Most Cisco's will slow down on the backplane as ports get
populated so on a gigabit port you won't get full gigabit on the
backplane.
The hardware warranty is advanced next business day exchange forever
(yep
To use a CNAME to connect to a share you must disable strict name
checking - do a search and find the MS KB article to find the registry
hack.
-Brian
-Original Message-
From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Is your disk VTL or just a RAID array?
Dallas
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: tape/disk speed
I've been doing backup to disk backups and backup to tape backups for a
Try this in the registry and reboot, works for us, we use aliases for
failover:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\lanmanserver\parameters]
DisableStrictNameChecking=dword:0001
Regards
Tony Patton
Desktop Operations Cavan
Ext 8078
Direct Dial 049 435 2878
email: [EMAIL
What type of disk system are you using? USB, DAS, SAN?
Roger Wright
Network Administrator
Evatone, Inc.
727.572.7076 x388
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-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE:
You can't just say D2D. If it's the same disk sub-system, your times
will degrade considerably because you will be doing reads and writes at
the same time. I can push 2TB to an LTO3 tape loader in about 10 hours.
BE tells me that's 15GB/min, but in reality it's more like 3.1GB/min.
I recently
Me, too, but sometimes the gui can be faster.
I agree with what Martin said, the gui is very java specific. I'm still
running my Pix on v6 something and have had to keep my Java at 1.42 or
the gui wouldn't load.
Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Memorial Medical Center
231-845-2319
the B2D folders are residing on the BackupExec server itself. The server
is a ML310 with RAID5 array made up of 4 sata disks.
Original Message:
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From: Dallas Burnworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:31:39 -0800
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE:
Maybe try the MS Windows Installer Cleanup Utility?
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301
-Bonnie
From: Benjamin Zachary - Lists [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: 2003 TS msiexec keeps running
I have a 2003 TS that's
+10.
Since you are changing it, go with DFS if at all possible. Makes future
moves a non issue.
From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Problems using alias for server?
Have you thought about doing DFS
Just found this interesting...
Microsoft has just stopped issuing licenses for Windows 3.x on Nov.1.
Ahh the memories of windows 3.x I remember back in the day when it
was just coming out. I was still a youngster back then :).
http://www.crn.com/software/212001291
~ Finally, powerful
We have been asked to investigate using thin clients for some stations.
Initially, maybe 10 or so but if it goes well, who knows, maybe 100 or
more.
Any reading or other resources that anyone care to point me to?
Also, any suggestions as to what vendors/technology to look at and to
avoid.
Don't overlook Nortel. They have some excellent layer 2/layer 3
switches. Look at the Enterprise Router Switch offerings.
Their pricing is good compared to Crisco as well
-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:23 AM
To: NT
We have been using Wyse 9150s. They are great as long as you are using
something like ProPalms or Citrix. We run a single installed app on
them and we cant install some printers because of their driver size.
Craig Gauss, Technical Supervisor/Security Officer
Riverview Hospital Association
Wyse makes great thin clients, but most of the manufacturers are getting
in the game now. Other things to consider are:
1) Are you going true thin clients, and pushing the desktop to the
device, or going more of a mid-client, and pushing specific apps.
2) Do you already have
We use Wyse as well. I like the Enterprise Manager. But, compared to
other models, Wyse is pretty expensive (we use V90 Win embedded models).
They work well in our training room, where staff cannot tinker or
play with them.
We provide application access via the Citrix Web Portal.
Joe
We have been running a pilot with Sun thin clients for a work at home
project and have had problems with the client dropping the connection
1-2 times a day. Sun was not able to track down the problem even given
a couple of months to do so and knowing that this was a deal breaker
problem. We only
I have a 3COM 5500 series here that works very well. I use them in all of my
sites (some with POE some without). Pricing is better that Cisco so far.
Kim Longenbaugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/14/2008 11:24 AM
Don't overlook Nortel. They have some excellent layer 2/layer 3
switches. Look at the
Joe.
We are looking at true thin client but at stage, we don't really know
what we are doing.
We have hoped to save some money over the long haul but we are pretty
sure we wont save any $$ the first year or so.
We don't have any thin clients or back end so I was hoping someone would
have
As an alternative to consider... we are running Terminal Servers and have
begun rebuilding old pc's (new HD and memory if needed) and putting linux on
them, no office software of any kind, so they use the linux box to access
the TS session.
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Glen Johnson [EMAIL
Glen,
Here is a company that creates thin clients which may be worth taking a look
at. http://www.panologic.com/ . This is one of our portfolio companies and it
has made some good strides in the past year. I haven't used them yet but may
try demo'ing them in the office. I believe they
Yep. That's why I'm asking the group.
I've never been ashamed to admin when I'm out of my league. But I also
know I can learn from others experience and mistakes and I'm not going
to implement this till we are comfortable supporting it.
As the saying goes, Learn from others mistakes as you
Wyse Terminals for Thin Clients, and if you can couple with VDI you
might have a very good argument for putting more Virtual Workstations in
your organization.
Z
Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone: 401-639-3505
MCSE, MCP+I, ME, CCA,
It's an essential tool (Installer Cleanup), but...
1. As mentioned, it can't be installed while rogue MSIEXEC processes are
running
2. It's not real clear what is trying to be installed by the rogue MSIEXEC
process
Using the Task Manager to kill the MSIEXEC processes (I've seen 2-4 at one
Citrix Xen handles printers nicely...
Joe Heaton
Employment Training Panel
From: Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Thin clients
If you want to get to grips with the technology, then I would suggest
Xen does virtual desktops really well too now.
Joe Heaton
Employment Training Panel
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Thin clients
Wyse Terminals for Thin Clients, and if you can couple with
Are you running XenDesktop? I have a few questions if you are:
How much more overhead is required to do a virtual desktop for each machine vs
a simple terminal session?
What's the cost? Does each machine require it's own license for OS as well as
Citrix's licnense? What about the cost of CALs,
Interesting!
Does this mean, then, for a trust to work better, WINS servers should be
running at each domain?
--
Richard McClary, Systems Administrator
ASPCA Knowledge Management
1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL 61802
217-337-9761
http://www.aspca.org
If you want to get to grips with the technology, then I would suggest picking
up a used Thin Client from eBay. Get an HP or something like that and reflash
its firmware as soon as you get it. Then build a TS in a virtual machine and
try it out.
The best resource used to be thethin.net but they
I'm not currently, but I just attended a seminar showing it. Sorry if
my comments were misleading. Xen looks very promising though...
Joe Heaton
Employment Training Panel
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Hi guys,
I have a weird problem and I'm not sure where to start troubleshooting
it.
I have a user that bought a new (Vista Ultimate) laptop. I am trying to
set up a VPN connection for them and have been going back and forth to
their house for the better part of the past week trying to get
I can back up just about twice as fast to an SAS LTO4 tape than I can to an
ISCSI raid array, both being attached to the same media server.
- Original Message -
From: jesse-rink@ wi . rr .com
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin @ lyris .sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Friday, November
Is his router using the same IP address scheme as your office? I found
that could be cause of issues...My network uses 10.0.x.x, and when I had
my home router using the same scheme, I couldn't connect to any devices
on my office network - when I changed the home router's IP scheme to
192.168.x.x,
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does this mean, then, for a trust to work better, WINS servers should be
running at each domain?
That appears to be the suggestion. I'd start with DNS, because it
should be relatively easy to get both domains resolving each other.
I'd go with #5...
Seriously, I've had a couple of Vista systems where administators lack
administrative rights. A wipe-and-rebuild was necessary to fix that.
--
Richard McClary, Systems Administrator
ASPCA Knowledge Management
1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana,
Is the users laptop a domain machine? if not try the FQDN name of machine
you are trying to get to.
From: Aaron T. Rohyans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: What could cause this VPN issue?
Could be a number of things
Can you try your laptop at his house? That would verify his router and
internet connection.
If your laptop works, have him logon to your laptop and test the vpn.
That would verify his account.
Only thing left is his computer.
On his computer, check the protocol binding order. I've seen that
To *establish* the trust you generally need to have short-name
resolution. Only 2 Windows 2003 Full Native Mode Forests can establish a
trust
using Kerberos. All other trusts will use NTLM, hence you need NetBIOS
name resolution.
You don't have to have WINS, LMHOSTS files also work. I do have a
Thank you guys for all the tips. I will check all of them and see what I
come up with. Right now I'm going to grab a quick lunch. I'm thinking
chicken with some holy water. KFC, maybe?
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 1:28 PM
To: NT System Admin
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Evan Brastow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a weird problem and I'm not sure where to start troubleshooting it.
In addition to everyone else's good suggestions:
You state ... he can't even resolve his computer name to connect
via RAdmin. What about if he
L3 not hard now but will in the future. That's why I have to be careful
what I budget for. Cause once I get the money, I sure as heck can't go
back to them a few years down the road and say I need more money because
the switch I bought isn't up to the job because of network expansion,
etc.
Could be a number of things really I'm assuming you're using
GRE/PPTP?
1. His provider could be blocking GRE (IP Protocol
#47). This would allow the VPN to establish (via PPTP), but no traffic
would pass as GRE is being blocked.
2. His router doesn't
+1
-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: What could cause this VPN issue?
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Evan Brastow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a weird problem and I'm not
I'm curious to know if anyone has experienced any USB-related issues
since Patch Tuesday; particularly as it may involve Dell desktops
and/or low-end HP LaserJet printers (e.g. 1200 and 1300 series).
For your curiosity, in the past week, I have had 4 instances of USB
connected devices suddenly
I don't know about Nortel. Their financials look pretty weak.
Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Memorial Medical Center
231-845-2319
-Original Message-
From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE:
One more to add. If using netbios names check the node type. See if they match
what you have on your box. Also enable netbios over tcp/ip on their machine.
From: Evan Brastow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 1:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: What could cause
What VPN client are you using? I know with the Watchguards that we use
here, there were issues with Vista up until their latest firmware
upgrade. Also, how does your VPN authenticate? Again, with the
Watchguard, I have it set to use AD authentication, but forgot to put
the user in the correct
Dat's noice...
-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 1:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Network core switch
I don't know about Nortel. Their financials look pretty weak.
Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
LOL, you mean non-existent...
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Chinnery, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know about Nortel. Their financials look pretty weak.
Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Memorial Medical Center
231-845-2319
-Original Message-
From: Kim
I have 2 an PoI and an VPN switch. Every time I have to configure or
check them I tell myself never to purchase another one!
Slower than molasses in February and very confusing menus /
configurations!
___
Stefan Jafs
-Original Message-
From: Chinnery,
If all else fails, see if the hp software CD has a CCC folder, usually under
Util folder. Usually there is an uninstall or uninstall_l4 batch file. If you
run the uninstall batch file 4 times, it will perform just like the
uninstall_l4 batch. Which means it is supposed to remove all components
What about Enterasys? Anybody have any experience with them?
Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Memorial Medical Center
231-845-2319
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From: Sean Rector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 1:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Network core
Does anyone know of any patch panels that do not require terminating or
patching them into the back of the patch panel? I would like to use
manufactured patch cables instead of terminating the cables. I have had
a couple problems with terminated cables and it has ruined my weekends.
Best
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/153810/antivirus_2009_how_to_remove_fake_av_software.html
I make no promises. Sometime all you can do is format and re-install OS
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Darin McHenry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi All,
Recently we have had a several of
Don't suppose any of you folks have ever streamed Nasa TV to your iPhone?
Gonna be on the road running errands probably around the time of launch and
would love to catch it (not while driving - riding shotgun :) I'm sure I'll
see the glow in the sky from here, but would be nice.
Phillip
Thanks to all for the feedback. For some reason, I hadn't thought of DFS, even
though I already have the infrastructure in place. Duh.
That definitely sounds like the way to go, so I'll give that a shot.
-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Check out filehippo.com
http://www.filehippo.com/software/antispyware/
I usually start with
SUPER Antispyware
Spybot - Search Destroy
HijackThis
In safe mode.
IF it still does not go away, I have a daily updated ubcd4win that I use. I
wonder if anyone has create a how to video for bartpe or
Just lost a fight with a laptop that had this and several other pieces
of scumware on it.
Malwarebytes said it got rid of everything but upon reboot some would
come back.
Installed our current version of Symantec crapware. It said it found
something and I let it remove it.
Upon reboot nothing
I think Malwarebytes can remove this for you.
Roger Wright
Network Administrator
Evatone, Inc.
727.572.7076 x388
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From: Darin McHenry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Antivirus Pro 2009 How can we get
manufactured patch cables instead of terminating the cables. I have had a
couple problems with terminated cables and it has ruined my weekends.
Best Regards,
Phil
__ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature
database 3614 (20081114) __
The message
patch cables instead of terminating the cables. I have had
a couple problems with terminated cables and it has ruined my weekends.
Best Regards,
Phil
__ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
signature database 3614 (20081114) __
The message was checked
I've seen patch panels that accept keystone blocks.
I've found that terminating keystones is much easer than punching down
Cat5e ;)
Phil Guevara wrote:
Does anyone know of any patch panels that do not require terminating or
patching them into the back of the patch panel? I would like to use
Next step - find out how it got on there in the first place so it won't
happen again.
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Antivirus Pro 2009 How can we get rid of it and prevent it from
coming back
+1 on taking away local admin rights. Never have had virus or spyware
issues. The users may squirm, but in the end, it is not their computer.
Phillip Partipilo
Parametric Solutions Inc.
Jupiter, Florida
(561) 747-6107
-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL
Already know.
Clueless user in combination with Symantec crapware.
From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Antivirus Pro 2009 How can we get rid of it and prevent it
from coming back
Next step - find out
Thanks to all for the response. I do agree with the responses of tighter
security and Local admin rights as I once walked in Corporate IT as
well...Then I was introduced to IT in the educational world where standards
and procedures are given away to politics and nimrods in higher positions
that
Workin on that. Soon !
Warm regards,
Stu
From: HELP_PC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: R: Anyone heard of Prevx?
I would like to see some tests compared also!
GuidoElia
HELPPC
Smitfraud, real plain, and seems to get rid of it in about 10 min or so.
Free download, I forget where I found it, if you need a link I can toss it
up.
From: Darin McHenry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 16:16
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Antivirus
I ran the installer clean up util it kept trying to install HP CIO, which is
coming from the universal printer driver, but I think the msiexec is
actually corrupt, because I removed it from the installer clean up tool, and
I went into the registry where every instance of hp cio was listed, deleted
I saw the pop up before someone clicked on it.
It looks just like a windows message box.. but it is actually a webpage.
Click No and your screwed.
I fixed a couple of these machines for a friend. I was able to remove it,
searching Google and trying different ideas. Of course.. I documented
Haha I had an Amiga, a Mac classic, and an HP/UX at work (jr admin) and
never actually 'used' windows 3.1 or any dos. My first windows box was nt4
workstation.
-Original Message-
From: Alex Carroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:14
To: NT System Admin
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I saw the pop up before someone clicked on it.
It looks just like a windows message box.. but it is actually a webpage.
This is one of the things I like about Firefox over MSIE: You can
configure it not to let that happen.
All
I tried contacting panologic to get a demo unit but never heard from them, I
have some uses for that. It is a service based model though so you pay per
month per unit.
In places were budget is tight, I did the same thing with older pc's, made
linux based live cd's which run and then pop into an
Here's a good one:
I am in California at a import automaker's head office in meetings with some
folk from across the pond (I won't mention which asian country) when his laptop
kept giving WGA warnings throughout the presentation.
Gotta love that...
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that
Standards and procedures are important to all organizations. As someone who
worked for a school district and moved to a corporate environment I can tell
you that it all comes down to communication and putting it in terms the
stakeholders can understand.
Of course, you could be in a dysfunctional
Thank you very much, Bonnie. I had to improvise a little bit to get it
fixed, but it remains true that I still would have been clueless now
were it not for the link below.
From: Miller Bonnie L. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:51 PM
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