On 11/23/11 5:55 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
+1...all good, and something we had discussed early on.
However, as I work on porting legacy info over, I am wondering what to do
about the more developer centered areas of the site: api, sc, sw,
framework, external (? -- I need to look at this one),
Hi Pedro,
On 23.11.2011 17:08, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Hi;
That's very cool. Thanks Armand!
I've checked out the status of AGG and while the new version
is GPL'd, it was abandoned and the community has done some
enhancements on the BSD licensed version that I could bring
in.
I thought
Salut eric,
On 23.11.2011 17:21, eric b wrote:
Hello Armin,
Le 23 nov. 11 à 16:48, Armin Le Grand a écrit :
Hi *,
I have now started to add my cwses to branches, at least the long
lasting ones. I have not created a cws directory since there already
was a /branches directory, so no
Hi Eric,
On 24.11.2011 11:01, Armin Le Grand wrote:
Salut eric,
[..]
To avoid double work, please wait for my okay, I have not yet checked in
something on that branches. I'll first have to take my stuff to diffs
and apply them, this will need a while (with test build)...
OOps,
Hi all,
I made a patch to update Rhino from 1.5R5 to 1.7R3.
Current Rhino has problem about its license on its additional
component swingExtSrc
but 1.7R3 does not need it anymore.
I'm sorry, my patch does not have a part to change downloading Rhino.
Would anybody like to review and commit?
Hi all,
The last open item on the IP clearance wiki page is the removal of the
dictionary module from the AOO source code. In order to provide a
developer build in the near future that does not contain category-x
licensed code we need a short term solution.
The central question is if we
Il 24/11/2011 14.28, Andre Fischer ha scritto:
A. Download the extension (assuming that the right locale can be
detected) automatically from the extension repository during installation.
B. As last step of the installation, pop up a web page that, among other
things, tells the user that there
Hello Andre;
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de wrote:
Hi all,
The last open item on the IP clearance wiki page is the
removal of the dictionary module from the AOO source
code.
I think we cannot ship MPL source code either (not even
download+patches). That includes rhino,
--- On Tue, 11/22/11, Raphael Bircher wrote:
...
I will commit it unless something breaks in the next
half hour or so :).
Let's wait a little bit longer, that we can do same more
tests. We have time.
I am not sure how long a little bit longer is supposed to
be but I will commit this
Il 24/11/2011 15.01, Pedro Giffuni ha scritto:
I think we should keep the non copyleft dictionaries for
reference. I think that leaves us with English, Russian,
Croatian and I have an old italian version kindly donated
by Gianluca to the MySpell pseudo-project @Apache-Extras.
Please, keep in
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Gianluca Turconi pub...@letturefantastiche.com wrote:
...
Il 24/11/2011 15.01, Pedro Giffuni ha
scritto:
I think we should keep the non copyleft dictionaries
for
reference. I think that leaves us with English,
Russian,
Croatian and I have an old italian version
On 11/24/11 3:29 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Gianluca Turconipub...@letturefantastiche.com wrote:
...
Il 24/11/2011 15.01, Pedro Giffuni ha
scritto:
I think we should keep the non copyleft dictionaries
for
reference. I think that leaves us with English,
Russian,
Hi,
On 24.11.2011 15:01, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Hello Andre;
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Andre Fischera...@a-w-f.de wrote:
Hi all,
The last open item on the IP clearance wiki page is the
removal of the dictionary module from the AOO source
code.
I think we cannot ship MPL source code either (not
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 06:29:42AM -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Hunspell is still the main spellchecker in AOO but we
cannot ship the italian dictionary and even the MPL
dictionaries have to be removed from the repository.
Exactly, what do you mean by saying You can go ahead and
kill
On 11/24/11 3:57 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 06:29:42AM -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Hunspell is still the main spellchecker in AOO but we
cannot ship the italian dictionary and even the MPL
dictionaries have to be removed from the repository.
Exactly, what do you
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 06:29:42AM -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
We are not allowed to ship copyleft (strong or weak) in
source releases so the same rules about not download+patching
copyleft apply to hunspell.
I forgot to add that patches are in the oracle-sga-2.txt
Hi Ariel;
If the comment on the Wiki has been approved by Apache
legal and not just an interpretation you guys are right.
I tend to be pretty strict in this type of issues so
please excuse me for scaring you all ;-).
Pedro.
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote:
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Andre Fischer a...@a-w-f.de wrote:
I think we cannot ship MPL source code either (not
even download+patches). That includes rhino, saxon
and nss/mozilla.
Hm, as far as I understand this we can not ship MPL code in
the source release directly, but the
On 11/24/11 4:52 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Andre Fischera...@a-w-f.de wrote:
I think we cannot ship MPL source code either (not
even download+patches). That includes rhino, saxon
and nss/mozilla.
Hm, as far as I understand this we can not ship MPL code in
the source
Hi Jurgen;
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote:
As I had understood it the idea is that we shouldn't
be using patches as a workaround to do actual coding
on top of copyleft components, so I guess if the
components are not on by default that is OK.
Hi Pedro, *
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 07:52:50AM -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
I think we should keep the non copyleft dictionaries
for reference. I think that leaves us with English,
Russian, Croatian and I have an old italian version
kindly donated by Gianluca to the MySpell
Just a dumb question: why do we think that the dicts are source code? At least
those without patches are distributed without any treatment. We just package
them. So where is the difference between an MPL library and an MPL .dic file?
Just the extension and the encoding of its content.
Regards
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi Kay,
I have some concerns that the buildbot broke recently. Also, somehow my
checkout of ooo-site was busted with a lock. I am currently doing a
re-checkout.
yes...sorry about that! documentation was HUGE and
2011/11/24 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com
On 11/23/11 5:55 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
+1...all good, and something we had discussed early on.
However, as I work on porting legacy info over, I am wondering what to do
about the more developer centered areas of the site: api, sc, sw,
I think these kinds of developer/power-user/extension user/developer changes
need to be made carefully, since OO.o 3.x releases are still out there and are
the only official releases under the lineage.
I would wait until after cutover for anything that is not urgent to get right
as soon as
Three concerns, in addition to the ones Gianluca expressed already:
1. The extensions.services.openoffice.org site is not working reliably and is
not operated by ASF. Any in-product access to the site has to work well and
deal with unavailability.
2. I repeat my security concern over the
I updated the state of the issue 118612 to INVALID. Please forget my
request to commit the patch.
Thanks,
Tsutom
2011/11/24 Tsutomu Uchino hanya.r...@gmail.com:
Hi all,
I made a patch to update Rhino from 1.5R5 to 1.7R3.
Current Rhino has problem about its license on its additional
On Nov 24, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:
Three concerns, in addition to the ones Gianluca expressed already:
1. The extensions.services.openoffice.org site is not working reliably and is
not operated by ASF. Any in-product access to the site has to work well
I got caught in the trap, again.
When you search for issues but none where found, the reason is likely
that the default search is set to the last 7 months. Set it to a more
reasonable value and you will swin in issues.
Questions:
Am I alone with the feeling that the setting to search only
On Nov 24, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
Hi Ariel;
If the comment on the Wiki has been approved by Apache
legal and not just an interpretation you guys are right.
Weak copy left (category-b) like MPL may be included in our binary
releases but not our source
When you search for issues but none where found, the reason is likely
that the default search is set to the last 7 months. Set it to a more
reasonable value and you will swin in issues.
Maybe clarify your seach criteria?
What do you looking for?
It's about general searching. Nothing special.
Could you talking about concretely? Give us a real case to test.
But always I start a
search I wonder about the low number of results.
If I search msword, BZ returns 224 issues.
Rob;
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Ariel;
If the comment on the Wiki has been approved by
Apache
legal and not just an interpretation you guys are
right.
Weak copy left (category-b) like MPL may be included in our
binary releases but not our source
Am 11/24/2011 07:14 PM, schrieb FR web forum:
It's about general searching. Nothing special.
Could you talking about concretely? Give us a real case to test.
But always I start a
search I wonder about the low number of results.
If I search msword, BZ returns 224 issues.
On Nov 24, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
Rob;
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Ariel;
If the comment on the Wiki has been approved by
Apache
legal and not just an interpretation you guys are
right.
Weak copy left (category-b) like
Hi Mathias;
I wondered the same when I suggested they should be treated
as documentation, and still it classifies as weak copyleft.
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
Just a dumb question: why do we think
that the dicts are source code? At least those without
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote:
In any case the project is not going to grind to a halt
every time you are unsure. If you think we are doing
something wrong then you need to back that with some
authority, a link to a policy statement or authoritative
Am 24.11.2011 um 19:50 schrieb Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org:
Hi Mathias;
I wondered the same when I suggested they should be treated
as documentation, and still it classifies as weak copyleft.
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
Just a dumb question: why
On Nov 24, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote:
In any case the project is not going to grind to a halt
every time you are unsure. If you think we are doing
something wrong then you need to back that with some
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote:
This attitude from you is hardly surprising because we
all
know you have all the answers :-P.
It is memory not attitude. I don't know all the answers,
but I do know the answers to questions that have
already been asked and
Hi Mathias;
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
You mean like just tar them all and put them with the
binary
release?
Yes. Even packaging as extension and deploying these
packages as part of a binary release does not look
fundamentally different than
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I will take vacation from 11/25 to 12/2, Peng Yun Quan will be my backup.
Anything urgent, please contact Yun Quan(Yun Quan Peng/China/IBM) or Jin
Hua (Jin Hua Chen/China/IBM)
Note: This is an automated response to your message Re: GPL'd
dictionaries
Am 24.11.2011 um 20:46 schrieb Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org:
Hi Mathias;
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
You mean like just tar them all and put them with the
binary
release?
Yes. Even packaging as extension and deploying these
packages as part
Simple point: Something is category B because someone with the authority to do
so put a category B license on it. It doesn't matter what it is or how
wrong-headed they were to do that.
More complicated: It is important to understand the principle behind how
category B material is handled the
+1
I think it's simple enough. We can make life
more difficult after 3.4.
Still the italian dictionary is GPL only.
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Mathias Bauer mathias_ba...@gmx.net wrote:
Am 24.11.2011 um 20:46 schrieb Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org:
Hi Mathias;
--- On Thu, 11/24/11,
On Nov 24, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org wrote:
Simple point: Something is category B because someone with the authority to
do so put a category B license on it. It doesn't matter what it is or how
wrong-headed they were to do that.
More complicated: It is
Here are some proposal elements around the Attack Surface of Apache OpenOffice
and keeping it small:
P1. Extensions, supplements, and updates downloaded by the run-time installer
or product shall only be retrieved from URLs under Apache control from sites
operated by Apache infrastructure.
I have already lost much time on this, but I will give
this a last attempt.
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe some are making an unstated and unwarranted
assumption that our
source release will contain 100% of what is in SVN?
That would
explain much of the
On Thursday, November 24, 2011, Dennis E. Hamilton orc...@apache.org
wrote:
Here are some proposal elements around the Attack Surface of Apache
OpenOffice and keeping it small:
P1. Extensions, supplements, and updates downloaded by the run-time
installer or product shall only be retrieved from
On Thursday, November 24, 2011, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
I have already lost much time on this, but I will give
this a last attempt.
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote:
Maybe some are making an unstated and unwarranted
assumption that our
source release
On 24 Nov 2011, at 22:09, Rob Weir wrote:
We are working on a release. We are not facing an immediate graduation vote.
I had gained the impression over the past half-year that the threshold for
Apache to permit a podling to make a release was the same as for graduation.
Is that perception
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
Here are some proposal elements around the Attack
Surface of Apache
OpenOffice and keeping it small:
P1. Extensions, supplements, and updates
downloaded by the run-time
installer or product shall only be retrieved from URLs
Am 24.11.2011 21:27, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
Simple point: Something is category B because someone with the
authority to do so put a category B license on it. It doesn't matter
what it is or how wrong-headed they were to do that.
More complicated: It is important to understand the
Am 24.11.2011 22:43, schrieb Pedro Giffuni:
That is exactly *your* point of confusion here. One
of our mentors stated we cannot have infringing code
in SVN at the time we graduate. (You had this pretty
wrong with dmake which is GPL but it also applies to
MPL). I really think you should add
hi Ariel,
On 23.11.2011 17:16, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 08:08:21AM -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
FWIW, Michael Stahl had these CWSs in the pipeline, I hope
he or someone else finds the time to merge them into some
branch:
gnumake4
I started working in this
Am 11/22/2011 06:54 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
++1
AH!! Jürgen said the magic word: PORTAL. Now I can say something that
has been nagging at me without words.
It will be extremely valuable for the openoffice.org web site to remain
the portal of the openoffice.org lineage, where the
Hi Michael, *
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:04:24AM +0100, Michael Stahl wrote:
hi Ariel,
On 23.11.2011 17:16, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 08:08:21AM -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
FWIW, Michael Stahl had these CWSs in the pipeline, I hope
he or someone else finds the
Hi, Marcus,
Off-topic (re PS:), but couldn't resist.
On 11/24/2011 18:42, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
Am 11/22/2011 06:54 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
[...]
I would rather preserve those URLs. The shorter ones are nice and the
old ones could redirect to them. And I wouldn't do this quickly
Am 11/25/2011 02:04 AM, schrieb TJ Frazier:
Hi, Marcus,
Off-topic (re PS:), but couldn't resist.
On 11/24/2011 18:42, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
Am 11/22/2011 06:54 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
[...]
I would rather preserve those URLs. The shorter ones are nice and the
old ones could redirect
--- On Thu, 11/24/11, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
This is the surest and easiest way forward. If you want to
volunteer to
implement an alternative approach then feel free to make a
proposal for
what you want to do.
Oh. I solved this issue already for PedroOffice. I will amuse
Hello everyone.
I had read from here:http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/API/To-Dos
, it seems to be some ideas and because i'm interested in that subject i
would like to know, what other ideas are about the GUI designer?.
Another thing, the NetBeans Oo.org plugin only works in the version
Hi Gerardo,
On 11/25/11 4:28 AM, Gerardo Gómez wrote:
Hello everyone.
I had read from here:http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/API/To-Dos
, it seems to be some ideas and because i'm interested in that subject i
would like to know, what other ideas are about the GUI designer?.
Another
I agree that case should be investigated further. I know nothing of the format
of these dictionaries. Where is one that you recommend for closer examination?
Then it can be verified how much they are source codes or data files that do
[not] have the quality of binaries that the category B
Rob,
Thanks for this. You're right, I did not consider the enterprise case.
I would say that this is the default for binaries that are built for download
by whoever from Apache OpenOffice download locations.
I agree that ways to modify installs for internal use of organizations (but not
My usual e-mail plaintext format does not have fixed line breaks inside
paragraphs. That allows reflow in accordance with the recipients e-mail
browser window parameters (just like with web pages).
Because there are still many clients that won't reflow, and many users here
expect hard line
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