Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-23 Thread Molly Cheah
Hi John, Welcome on board. With you volunteering, we've got representations for all regions. I will amend the protem list to include your name. Juliana will e-mail separately to get additional information on you for submission to the ROS as a protem member. Thank you for coming forward. Mo

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-23 Thread John L. Forman
Dear All, In the absence of any other, I volunteer to represent Latin America & Caribbean. Regards, John John L. Forman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tecso Informática Ltda www.tecso.com.br Rua da Gloria 190/1002 Fone: (21) 2224-4

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-23 Thread Molly Cheah
<>I'm going to upload the documents for the Inaugural meeting Notice as soon as the protem committee had a chance to look at it and give me feedback. However, at this point, there is one vacancy for a protem member representing Latin America & Caribbean. (By the way most of the references an

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-23 Thread Will Ross
On Apr 23, 2006, at 1:22 AM, Molly Cheah wrote: > . There will be the democratic process of > elections after OSHCA's registration. I hope you will become a  > member so > that you can participate in defining OSHCA's future and not turn it  > into > a beast. The constitution is a living d

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-23 Thread Molly Cheah
Will Ross wrote: >Molly, > >I'm sorry for failing to review the OSHCA 2.0 release document sooner  >in the quickly moving process that is underway.   Let's just replace  >all of my suggestions with the single observation that the Protem  >Committee has assigned itself tremendous authority an

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-22 Thread Tim.Churches
Will Ross wrote: > On Apr 22, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Tim.Churches wrote: > >  > Will Ross wrote: >  >> ARTICLE 5 - MEMBERSHIP >  >> >  >> 5.2  -  The Committee when rejecting an application SHALL provide a >  >> reason. >  > >  > Strictly speaking, "shall" should be used only for the first person > 

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-22 Thread Will Ross
On Apr 22, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Tim.Churches wrote: > Will Ross wrote: >> ARTICLE 5 - MEMBERSHIP >> >> 5.2  -  The Committee when rejecting an application SHALL provide a >> reason. > > Strictly speaking, "shall" should be used only for the first person > singular or plural. The use of "should" (a

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-22 Thread Tim.Churches
Will Ross wrote: > Some last minute suggestions. > > ARTICLE 1 - NAME > > The Organisation shall be known as Open Source Health Care Alliance, > hereafter referred to as "OSCHA", and shall be registered in Malaysia. That is better wording but not really a substantial change - not an essentia

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-22 Thread Will Ross
Molly, I'm sorry for failing to review the OSHCA 2.0 release document sooner  in the quickly moving process that is underway.   Let's just replace  all of my suggestions with the single observation that the Protem  Committee has assigned itself tremendous authority and is ramming  things th

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-22 Thread Molly Cheah
Hi Will, Your suggestions below pose a dilemma for me because of the time frame. As you're aware, in preparation for this inaugural meeting in 2 days' time, the preparatory process to arrive at an acceptable constitution went through 7 draft revisions, most of the work was done by the protem

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-22 Thread Fred Trotter
On the OSCHA website issue. I am sure there are about 10 people that would be willing to host the website. For those of us with server resources the cost approaches zero. It is so easy to transfer a website that the "host" need not be a permenant. It would be worthwhile to have a temporary websi

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-22 Thread Will Ross
Some last minute suggestions. ARTICLE 1 - NAME The Organisation shall be known as Open Source Health Care Alliance,  hereafter referred to as "OSCHA", and shall be registered in Malaysia. ARTICLE 3 - CHAPTERS Why is South America omitted?   This collection of regions seems  complex.   The

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-22 Thread Tim.Churches
Tim.Churches wrote: > OK. Sorry for suggesting membership fees rather higher than those which > Molly proposes. I have forgotten the password for the Yahoo username > which I used to subscribe to this list, so I have been unable to examine > the draft constitution documents as yet - I have re-appli

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-22 Thread Tim.Churches
Dr Molly Cheah wrote: > What Tim's response is what I was eluding to. Here's the relevant > article in the constitution. > > > *6.1 - * The Committee shall prescribe a list of equitable membership > entrance fee for different countries based on the UNDP’s 2005 Human > Development Index (HDI) o

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-22 Thread Dr Molly Cheah
What Tim's response is what I was eluding to. Here's the relevant article in the constitution. *6.1 - * The Committee shall prescribe a list of equitable membership entrance fee for different countries based on the UNDP’s 2005 Human Development Index (HDI) of the country. The entrance fee paya

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-22 Thread Tim.Churches
Thomas Beale wrote: > doesn't the fact of paying the same number but in your own currency fix > this? E.g. 50AUD, 50M$, 50Euro, 50rupiah, 50USD, 50yuan etc? Not really, because the granularity of currency units varies greatly between countries - consider, for example: 50 Japanese Yen is only U

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-22 Thread Dr Molly Cheah
Thomas Beale wrote: >>A fund would then make sense to support these. >>But I would like to postpone this discussion to the day when need arises. >>    >> >doesn't the fact of paying the same number but in your own currency fix >this? E.g. 50AUD, 50M$, 50Euro, 50rupiah, 50USD, 50yuan etc? But

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-22 Thread Thomas Beale
Christian Heller wrote: > > > Besides there is a cost in servicing these free riders and I don't > think > > we want OSHCA to be just a free riders' organisation. If there are > > people who are genuinely interested in becoming members and > contributing > > towards OSHCA's objectives, but can

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-22 Thread Christian Heller
> I believe that OSHCA should be a not-for-profit but not a charitable > organisation. "Free" sometimes attract the wrong type of people who > "may" make up the numbers but do not show commitment to OSHCA's cause. [..] O.k., I agree with you. Surely, you have discussed these political issues

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-22 Thread Tim.Churches
Dr Molly Cheah wrote: > I believe that OSHCA should be a not-for-profit but not a charitable > organisation. "Free" sometimes attract the wrong type of people who > "may" make up the numbers but do not show commitment to OSHCA's cause. > Besides there is a cost in servicing these free riders and

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-21 Thread Dr Molly Cheah
I believe that OSHCA should be a not-for-profit but not a charitable organisation. "Free" sometimes attract the wrong type of people who "may" make up the numbers but do not show commitment to OSHCA's cause. Besides there is a cost in servicing these free riders and I don't think we want OSH

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-21 Thread Molly Cheah
David Forslund wrote: >Yes, it would be nice if this info was put on the oscha.org web site (or >at least told >there where to find the information).    > The information is in the file section of this mailing list. That's how Bhakar had set it. I can't attach files to post to the list. And

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-21 Thread Christian Heller
Hi, [..] > look for non-profit foundation support rather than dues.  If the goals > of OSHCA > are worthwhile, it shouldn't be hard to find grant support of some kind. I've thought about this comment of Dave Forslund once more. Perhaps he's right and we should permit any private person to be

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-21 Thread David Forslund
Yes, it would be nice if this info was put on the oscha.org web site (or at least told there where to find the information).    I don't understand "representation by region". I assumed that people from anywhere can join and that region doesn't matter. I also don't understand the use of HDI.  

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

2006-04-21 Thread Fred Trotter
Sorry, I do not find a link... should we be looking at www.oscha.org?? That says the next meeting is in 2002 :) -FT On 4/21/06, Molly Cheah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I would like to announce the following: > 1) 25th April 2006 will be the OSHCA Inaugural Meeting Day.