[osol-discuss] Re: Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was process)

2005-07-27 Thread UNIX admin
One of the areas that Sun believes it adds value to the OS market is stability and support. Therefore, Sun makes more effort than many BSD or Linux vendors to map out the stability/supportability of interfaces that we ship. You will notice that any Sun manpage contains an Attributes

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-27 Thread UNIX admin
OpenSolaris is not a complete enough OS. You cannot boot it, you cannot compile software on it and you cannot run applications on it. In other words, it is not yet self hosting. But it will be sooner or later. Any way Sun goes with Solaris Express that cannot be pusued by e.g. SchilliX is

[osol-discuss] Database Server Community

2005-07-27 Thread Radu Parvu
Hi! I think a community that would cover the database installation, configuration and performance tuning on Solaris would be necessary. BR Radu This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

[osol-discuss] Compiling errors with SunStudio

2005-07-27 Thread Markus Moeller
I have a program which compiles file on Solaris 8, 9 and 10, but on opensolaris I get the following errors using $ cc -V cc: Sun C 5.7 Patch 117837-03 2005/03/23 usage: cc [ options] files. Use 'cc -flags' for details /usr/include/sys/int_types.h, line 125: invalid type combination

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have two problems (or potential problems) with your assertions... Funny thing is (and the crux of this misunderstanding): there isn't any such thing as OpenSolaris per se in the context in which Roy used above. There is Nevada -- which is

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-27 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 01:58:55AM -0700, UNIX admin wrote: This is interesting. What do you believe Sun could make in Solaris Express (assuming it's all licensed under CDDL, bla bla bla...) that SchilliX couldn't follow? Not everything in Solaris Express is licensed under the CDDL. For

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bill Sommerfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 08:43, Joerg Schilling wrote: We have either _no_ ksh in OpenSolaris or we have ksh93. or we have pdksh, which is a lot closer to ksh88. The last time I did read something about pdksh, people were disappointed about the

[osol-discuss] Re: Compiling errors with SunStudio

2005-07-27 Thread Markus Moeller
It seems it is an issue having /usr/ucb in the PATH before /opt./SUNWspro/bin. When I change PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/dt/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/usr/ucb:/usr/ccs/bin:/opt/SUNWspro/bin to PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/dt/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/opt/SUNWspro/bin:/usr/ucb:/usr/ccs/bin it works. Thanks Markus This

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Compiling errors with SunStudio

2005-07-27 Thread Rich Teer
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Markus Moeller wrote: It seems it is an issue having /usr/ucb in the PATH before /opt./SUNWspro/bin. IMHO, having /usr/ucb anywhere other than the end of one's PATH is an idea of dubious merit. I know some people prefer the BSD variation of some commands, but I still don't

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
UNIX admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is interesting. What do you believe Sun could make in Solaris Express (assuming it's all licensed under CDDL, bla bla bla...) that SchilliX couldn't follow? Solaris Express contains a lot of CS software. As it stands right now, isn't SchilliX

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Compiling errors with SunStudio

2005-07-27 Thread Matt Ingenthron
Markus Moeller wrote: It seems it is an issue having /usr/ucb in the PATH before /opt./SUNWspro/bin. When I change PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/dt/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/usr/ucb:/usr/ccs/bin:/opt/SUNWspro/bin to PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/dt/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/opt/SUNWspro/bin:/usr/ucb:/usr/ccs/bin it

[osol-discuss] Re: [docs-discuss] Assignments

2005-07-27 Thread Virginia Wray
Hi Radu - If you are inquiring about documentation, some of us in the community are just beginning to address the need for a documentation project on the OpenSolaris site and welcome input on how this could be developed. If you have a documentation contribution in mind, feel free to contact

Re: [osol-discuss] Compiling errors with SunStudio

2005-07-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Markus Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a program which compiles file on Solaris 8, 9 and 10, but on opensolaris I get the following errors using $ cc -V cc: Sun C 5.7 Patch 117837-03 2005/03/23 usage: cc [ options] files. Use 'cc -flags' for details

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Compiling errors with SunStudio

2005-07-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Markus Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems it is an issue having /usr/ucb in the PATH before /opt./SUNWspro/bin. When I change PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/dt/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/usr/ucb:/usr/ccs/bin:/opt/SUNWspro/bin to

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting software into OpenSolaris (was: Interface Stability... (was process))

2005-07-27 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/27/05, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what the SFW/CCD OpenSolaris roadmap will look like, but here's another thought somewhat related to the above: For people who are maintaining their own builds of Solaris freeware it

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Proposal of new community for Solaris x86 device driver

2005-07-27 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/27/05, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Sommerfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-07-26 at 08:43, Joerg Schilling wrote: We have either _no_ ksh in OpenSolaris or we have ksh93. or we have pdksh, which is a lot closer to ksh88. The last time I did read

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Compiling errors with SunStudio

2005-07-27 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/27/05, Markus Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems it is an issue having /usr/ucb in the PATH before /opt./SUNWspro/bin. When I change PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/dt/bin:/usr/openwin/bin:/usr/ucb:/usr/ccs/bin:/opt/SUNWspro/bin to

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was process)

2005-07-27 Thread Stephen Lau
Eric Schrock wrote: On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 06:14:57PM +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: The integration process needs to be defined at all. Currently I see that some proposals made to this list are taken and implemented and other don't even get a reply. If the integration process is not well

[osol-discuss] Re: new community for Chinese users

2005-07-27 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
The original poster is back. My idea is to have a place for Chinese users, mainly for education (and then marketing). If we other communities are better suitable for specific topics posted to this one, we can redirect them. What's the next step? My thought is to establish a small-scale

Re: [osol-discuss] Interface Stability and OpenSolaris (was process)

2005-07-27 Thread Mike Kupfer
Joerg We need an reasy to read proposal that is either structured Joerg cleanly top down or buttom up. I am sorry, but the text I did see Joerg from John needs some polishing to match this criteria. I suspect John would agree with you. :-) Joerg But currently, I don't believe that community

[osol-discuss] Linksys network card problem

2005-07-27 Thread Bobo
I have a basic Linsys NC100 network card and according to Sun's website it is compatible with Solaris. I have Solaris 10 installed and it is insisting that it is disconnected even though it isn't (I'm using it right now with Windows XP). When I do a ifconfig command it shows the card with an

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: new community for Chinese users

2005-07-27 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Tian Siyuan wrote: The original poster is back. My idea is to have a place for Chinese users, mainly for education (and then marketing). If we other communities are better suitable for specific topics posted to this one, we can redirect them. What's the next step? There's been some

Re: [osol-discuss] How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-07-27 Thread Brian Cameron
John: How is this ARC review process going to work with the community? I think it will become burdened if the core values of interface stability are not shared with the Free/Open Software community. In order to go through an interface review, the following information is necessary: +

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting software into OpenSolaris (was: Interface Stability... (was process))

2005-07-27 Thread Laszlo Peter
On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 11:52, Joerg Schilling wrote: Fetching the JDS sources was a nightmare (I hat to do approx. 300 mouse clicks). I asume that unpacking the sources will take a whole day ad the sources are in pkgadd format. Hmm... sorry for that... The idea was that people won't

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting software into OpenSolaris (was: Interface Stability... (was process))

2005-07-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Laszlo Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 11:52, Joerg Schilling wrote: Fetching the JDS sources was a nightmare (I hat to do approx. 300 mouse clicks). I asume that unpacking the sources will take a whole day ad the sources are in pkgadd format. Hmm... sorry

[osol-discuss] Some impressions (ksh related)

2005-07-27 Thread Helmar Wodtke
Hi at all, I'm really impressed by the discussion about ksh. But I dont get the point. Some basic logic says to me that something that's not available does not exist. So if there is no source for ksh88 it's not a good point to talk about it in an environment that talks about open source. It's

Re: [osol-discuss] Some impressions (ksh related)

2005-07-27 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/27/05, Helmar Wodtke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's btw my impression that (Open)Solaris-people talk a lot about stability and do forget to do a step forward. Solaris is not the best piece of technology if I need a compressing file system: Linux ist better at that point. I have the

Re: [osol-discuss] Some impressions (ksh related)

2005-07-27 Thread Patrick Mauritz
On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 23:31, Helmar Wodtke wrote: I'm really impressed by the discussion about ksh. But I dont get the point. the point is that scripts (not users) might rely on features (and bugs) as exhibited by ksh88. if you replace it with some other shell (different bugs, different

[osol-discuss] Re: ext2fs

2005-07-27 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 03:23:16PM -0700, Helmar Wodtke wrote: ext2fs: http://www.sun.drydog.com/faq/9.html#9.24 Well, that's like this access to some misconfigured Windows-Partitions on Linux... It's read-only and I can access only one partition (question: also only one if I have two

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Some impressions (ksh related)

2005-07-27 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/27/05, Helmar Wodtke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext2fs: http://www.sun.drydog.com/faq/9.html#9.24 Well, that's like this access to some misconfigured Windows-Partitions on Linux... It's read-only and I can access only one partition (question: also only one if I have two disks?): Not

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Some impressions (ksh related)

2005-07-27 Thread Shawn Walker
On 7/27/05, Helmar Wodtke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: discussing about interfaces and standards is a good thing, standards are a good thing, the hackslay mentality often shown in the so-called open source community is not. Try to understand it from a different view: the source is not

[osol-discuss] Re: ext2fs

2005-07-27 Thread Helmar Wodtke
On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 03:23:16PM -0700, Helmar Wodtke wrote: ext2fs: http://www.sun.drydog.com/faq/9.html#9.24 Well, that's like this access to some misconfigured Windows-Partitions on Linux... It's read-only and I can access only one partition (question: also only one if I

[osol-discuss] Re: Some impressions (ksh related)

2005-07-27 Thread Bob Palowoda
On Wed, 2005-07-27 at 23:31, Helmar Wodtke wrote: I'm really impressed by the discussion about ksh. discussing about interfaces and standards is a good thing, standards are a good thing, the hackslay mentality often shown in the so-called open source community is not. patrick mauritz

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Some impressions (ksh related)

2005-07-27 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Shawn Walker wrote: a) may be the safer way but is not always necessary. Your example of Postscript interpreter doesn't fit nearly as well because you're talking about (as far as I know) is an undcoumented proprietary file format, Not that it matters a whole lot to this discussion, but I

Re: [osol-discuss] Getting software into OpenSolaris (was: Interface Stability... (was process))

2005-07-27 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, Fetching the JDS sources was a nightmare (I hat to do approx. 300 mouse clicks). I asume that unpacking the sources will take a whole day ad the sources are in pkgadd format. Hmm... sorry for that... The idea was that people won't usually need every single package

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: ext2fs

2005-07-27 Thread Helmar Wodtke
On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 03:51:31PM -0700, Helmar Wodtke wrote: But another thing (since I see you are here and I remember it): you made a gcc compilation for OpenSolaris? I found your name in an Yes. I built the compiler that can build ON, and did some of the ON work to make that

[osol-discuss] User Groups Community Opened

2005-07-27 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Hello ... we formed a user group community here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/ There's not much there right now, of course, but we'll give it a good attempt at making it useful over time. What I'm looking to do with this is make the main community a resource for all,

Re: [osol-discuss] REMINDER: Silicon Valley OpenSolaris User Group Meeting, Today!

2005-07-27 Thread Jim Grisanzio
I took some pics here: http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris Really nice preso by Mike, too. Jim Alan DuBoff wrote: PLEASE READ FOR CHANGE OF VENUE FOR THIS MEETING!!! Where: Sun Menlo Park Campus, building 17 - In the Van Ness Conference room When: Tuesday, July 26 Time: 7:30pm-10:00pm We had a

[osol-discuss] Re: User Groups Community Opened

2005-07-27 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Wednesday 27 July 2005 04:49 pm, Jim Grisanzio wrote: Hello ... we formed a user group community here: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/ There's not much there right now, of course, but we'll give it a good attempt at making it useful over time. What I'm looking to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: ext2fs

2005-07-27 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 04:39:17PM -0700, Helmar Wodtke wrote: [Reply-To seems not to be working; this really belongs on tools-gcc and I've cc'd that list - please remove -discuss from replies] It's while compiling glibmm (recent version): .. /bin/bash ../../libtool --tag=CXX

[osol-discuss] Using Grub to switch between 32 and 64 bit

2005-07-27 Thread Bruce Riddle
Does anyone know how to set up GRUB to be able force Solaris to come up in 32 bit, or 64 bit? My entries in /boot/grub/menu.lst currently look like: #-- ADDED BY BOOTADM - DO NOT EDIT -- title Solaris 11 nv_16 X86 root (hd0,0,a) kernel /platform/i86pc/multiboot module

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Some impressions (ksh related)

2005-07-27 Thread Helmar Wodtke
Alan Coopersmith wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: a) may be the safer way but is not always necessary. Your example of Postscript interpreter doesn't fit nearly as well because you're talking about (as far as I know) is an undcoumented proprietary file format, Not that it matters

Re: [osol-discuss] Using Grub to switch between 32 and 64 bit

2005-07-27 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Wednesday 27 July 2005 05:37 pm, Bruce Riddle wrote: Does anyone know how to set up GRUB to be able force Solaris to come up in 32 bit, or 64 bit? Jan is best at this stuff, but what about: title Solaris 11 32-bit root (hd0,0,a) kernel /platform/i86pc/multiboot kernel/unix module

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: ext2fs

2005-07-27 Thread Helmar Wodtke
This has to be a libtool bug. When I ask gcc where libstdc++.la lives, I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/builds/wesolows $ /tonic/gcc-tools/i386/gcc-3.4.3/bin/gcc --print-file-name=libstdc++.la /tonic/gcc-tools/i386/gcc-3.4.3/bin/../lib/gcc/i386-pc -solaris2.10.1/3.4.3/../../../libstdc++.la $

[osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-07-27 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jul 25, 2005, at 4:20 PM, John Plocher wrote: Keith and Roy's conversation about ksh... Keep in mind the traditional Sun/Solaris development model that we are trying to seed our community with: Germinate an idea into a plan, Commit to that plan from both resource and

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: How would the ARC process look at this discussion of KSH 88-vs-93?

2005-07-27 Thread John Beck
Roy I have been asked, by both the CAB members and Sun execs, to Roy propose a governance process for collaborative open source Roy development. Non-collaborative development is not considered a viable Roy option given the competition and relative success of collaborative Roy open source projects.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: ext2fs

2005-07-27 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 06:05:31PM -0700, Helmar Wodtke wrote: But inside /opt/gcc-3.4.3/bin: $ grep wesolows * gccbug:configured with: ../gcc-3.4.3-csl/configure --prefix=/builds/wesolows/x86/gcc-3.4.3 --with-local-prefix=/builds/wesolows/x86/gcc-3.4.3 --enable-threads=posix

[osol-discuss] Re: Using Grub to switch between 32 and 64 bit

2005-07-27 Thread Sang-Thong.Chang
To force boot a specific kernel, you can passed in the specific kernel to multiboot: to boot 32-bit: kernel /platform/i86pc/multiboot kernel/unix to boot 64-bit: kernel /platform/i86pc/multiboot kernel/amd64/unix This message posted from opensolaris.org