On 05/09/07, Alan DuBoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, Shawn Walker wrote:
> > So it would seem:
> > http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
> >
> > If they actually follow through on this, I'd buy a new ATi card in a
> > heartbeat.
> >
> > No offense to Intel for the great stuff they'v
On 06/09/07, Kaiwai Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 20:13 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote:
> > On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > > Actually, if Sun played it in such a way, Sun would look like the
> > > victim, AMD would look like the irresponsible partner, and
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 15:36 +1200, Ian Collins wrote:
>
>> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>>
>> More twaddle completely unrelated to OpenSolaris.
>>
>> Can you take this uninformed nonsense somewhere else, a long way form here?
>>
>> Ian
>>
>
> Or you could ignore it - woul
On Fri, 2007-09-07 at 15:36 +1200, Ian Collins wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>
> More twaddle completely unrelated to OpenSolaris.
>
> Can you take this uninformed nonsense somewhere else, a long way form here?
>
> Ian
Or you could ignore it - would that require some maturity?
Matthew
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> Yeah, and the current situation has worked so well so far.
Look, let's just end this conversation on this list, and get back to
OpenSolaris. It's pretty clear that you don't know WTF you're talking
about when it comes to Sun's business, so p
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
More twaddle completely unrelated to OpenSolaris.
Can you take this uninformed nonsense somewhere else, a long way form here?
Ian
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On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 20:13 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>
> > Actually, if Sun played it in such a way, Sun would look like the
> > victim, AMD would look like the irresponsible partner, and the only
> one
> > who would truly come out worse would be AMD -
On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 20:10 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>
> > Hmm, interesting, having seen all the weird and crazy crap which money
> > is dedicated to, you'll think that scraping a few thousand for pcfs
> > wouldn't be too much of a big request.
>
>
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 10:31 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>>
>>> Actually, you shipped some rebranded 7500 Radeons under another name
>>> as well.
>>
>> Whoopee doo...those are issolated cases.
>
> But cases wh
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> Actually, if Sun played it in such a way, Sun would look like the
> victim, AMD would look like the irresponsible partner, and the only one
> who would truly come out worse would be AMD - as AMD partners would
> question the basis of any relationship wi
On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> Hmm, interesting, having seen all the weird and crazy crap which money
> is dedicated to, you'll think that scraping a few thousand for pcfs
> wouldn't be too much of a big request.
Too bad you're not running Sun. It would be so much easier to get
r
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Evan Christopher Henry wrote:
> Is there any follow up to this? Is it confirmed you can build
> OpenSolaris from the developer edition?
Yes. You'll need to download it seperatly though.
The SunStudio is included on the DVD.
The first cut of the new installer is there, for t
On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 10:31 -0700, Alan DuBoff wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>
> > Actually, you shipped some rebranded 7500 Radeons under another name as
> > well.
>
> Whoopee doo...those are issolated cases.
But cases where Sun should have used Nvidia instead.
Matthew
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On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 07:42 -0700, Alan Coopersmith wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> > Sun refusing to make noise doesn't help either.
>
> I've been staying out of this discussion since I know far too much
> for my own health, but since I'm tired of the bashing, I'll just
> point out that just be
On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 15:09 +0100, Frank Hofmann wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
>
> [ ... ]
> > Cool but in regards to how the FAT is read, that is, dumping the
> whole
> > thing in memory rather than a gradual read - is that going to be a
> > addressed soon?
>
> I'm not awar
Is there any follow up to this? Is it confirmed you can build OpenSolaris from
the developer edition?
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On 06/09/07, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On 06/09/07, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > This is a lot more stability than you get from Solaris (see recent
> > >
On 06/09/07, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > This is a lot more stability than you get from Solaris (see recent tar -/
> > > discussion).
> > >
> > > If you like to have a cdrw emulation for cdrecord, you are invited to
> > > write it.
"Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 06/09/07, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > This is a lot more stability than you get from Solaris (see recent tar
> > > > -/
> > > > discussion).
> > > >
> > > > If you like to have
"Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > This is a lot more stability than you get from Solaris (see recent tar -/
> > discussion).
> >
> > If you like to have a cdrw emulation for cdrecord, you are invited to write
> > it.
>
> Right, I wasn't suggesting that you personally do it. So since 3
On 06/09/07, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Surely a 2.x version of cdrecord could break such stability in favour
> > > > of a better user experience?
> > >
> > > 2.0 has been published 5 years ago.
> >
> > Okay, a "major version rel
"Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Surely a 2.x version of cdrecord could break such stability in favour
> > > of a better user experience?
> >
> > 2.0 has been published 5 years ago.
>
> Okay, a "major version release greater than the current release" - I
> wasn't being literal.
>
>
On 06/09/07, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > If you did tell me this in February 1996, you had a chance
> > > I am giving people long term stability. It is too late now.
> >
> > How does showing the progress of the CD write a matter
Phil Harman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> p.s. maybe Joerg would consider making cdrw a link to cdrecord, and
> preserve compatibility for the sake of existing scripts? If we froze
> the cdrw capabilities, perhaps cdrw could then die with dignity of
> natural causes?
cdrecord is free softwa
Phil Harman writes:
> On 6 Sep 2007, at 09:16, UNIX admin wrote:
> > It's not just cdrecord versus cdrw. You can clearly see the NIH
> > syndrome in packaging and Caiman projects too. Dave Miner did some
> > truly awesome work, but not once did anybody think to stop and
> > study how other UN
"Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If you did tell me this in February 1996, you had a chance
> > I am giving people long term stability. It is too late now.
>
> How does showing the progress of the CD write a matter of stability?
>
> Are you implying that the output of the program
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Shawn Walker wrote:
> * If I have a choice between two pieces of hardware that both have
> really good performance, and roughly the same price, but one has open
> specifications, and one does not, I'm going to go with the one that
> has open specifications. That's why.
Nvidia
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> Actually, you shipped some rebranded 7500 Radeons under another name as
> well.
Whoopee doo...those are issolated cases.
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On 6 Sep 2007, at 09:16, UNIX admin wrote:
The way I see it, Sun employs some really awesome engineers,
certainly among the best and brightest in the industry.
Gee thanks. You say the kindest things.
The downside is that these engineers seem to often suffer from the
"not invented here" synd
On 06/09/07, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On 06/09/07, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Douglas Atique <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > However I found the following advantages to it, which maybe would be of
>
Neerhaj N Joshi wrote:
> i apologize for the typing error. Its 6452094.
That's a bash bug (would have helped if you said that instead of
making us look it up) - so either shell-discuss or sfwnv-discuss
would be the places I'd consider to ask about it.
--
-Alan Coopersmith- [EMA
I try to keep links to external sources of info in the FAQ. Also, I
noticed that if you Google for "OpenSolaris FAQ", the FAQ I am working
on comes up third on the list. Also, "OpenSolaris HOWTOs" search
brings up an email that talks about the genunix howtos page.
We are still figuring it out...
> But it doesn't have to be a sun supported wiki -
> ANYBODY can do it.
Completely agreed. My point in fact is that I would like to go to
opensolaris.org and see a link there saying e.g. "Resources" or "How to..."
that would link to a page with links to genunix.org/wiki (that I have just
learne
"Shawn Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 06/09/07, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Douglas Atique <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > However I found the following advantages to it, which maybe would be of
> > > interest to you as maintainer of cdrecord:
> > >
> > > 1. cdrw
> I was getting 1.8meg from Hilo on it today...
>
> Tim
Yes, I was able to get up to 2.8 meg (350 KB/s) last night on both accounts
(Solaris and Solaris Express).
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> I'd be hesitant to use ad-hoc sources of information
> on the Internet unless I knew that information came
> from an authoritative source, such as from the
> engineer that worked on the product, or from someone
> that is a proven expert in the field. That presents a
> catch-22, because in order f
On 06/09/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >* If I have a choice between two pieces of hardware that both have
> >really good performance, and roughly the same price, but one has open
> >specifications, and one does not, I'm going to go with the one that
> >has open specifications.
On 06/09/07, Joerg Schilling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Douglas Atique <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > However I found the following advantages to it, which maybe would be of
> > interest to you as maintainer of cdrecord:
> >
> > 1. cdrw shows the progress of the recording session with a percen
Lurie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Darn, too bad :( the speed is definitely not fantastic (3.8mb/s read vs
> 15-20mb/s in Linux for a usb flash stick) + the mem usage...
Do not expect to see more than 12 MB/s on Solaris.
Unless I missed a software update information, Solaris does not yet suppor
Douglas Atique <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> However I found the following advantages to it, which maybe would be of
> interest to you as maintainer of cdrecord:
>
> 1. cdrw shows the progress of the recording session with a percent amount
> that lets the user know whether it is close to the end
Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
> Sun refusing to make noise doesn't help either.
I've been staying out of this discussion since I know far too much
for my own health, but since I'm tired of the bashing, I'll just
point out that just because you haven't seen Sun do anything doesn't
mean Sun's done nothing.
> Yes, of course, Sun documentation is very good and I
> use it very often. But I mean maybe some kind of
> Wiki, where people who get to know something
> remarkable about Solaris (e.g. how you burn a DVD+R
> DL -- and that is not something that comes with SXCE
> out of the box) can write it there
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote:
[ ... ]
> Cool but in regards to how the FAT is read, that is, dumping the whole
> thing in memory rather than a gradual read - is that going to be a
> addressed soon?
I'm not aware of any Sun-internal resource commitment for that :(
>
>>> Also, is ther
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Lurie wrote:
> Darn, too bad :( the speed is definitely not fantastic (3.8mb/s read vs
> 15-20mb/s in Linux for a usb flash stick) + the mem usage...
The change does nothing for the (non-)speed, unfortunately.
It does:
- enable access to 2kB secsize media (like video
>* If I have a choice between two pieces of hardware that both have
>really good performance, and roughly the same price, but one has open
>specifications, and one does not, I'm going to go with the one that
>has open specifications. That's why.
Do we expect the specs to be both open and complet
W. Wayne Liauh writes:
> Ideally a serious Solaris-wannabe should have at least three Solaris
> slices: A stable release (Solaris 10, updated), a less unstable
> release (SXDE, or an SXCE build that you have felt comfortable
> with), and a "supposedly unstable" release (most recent SXCE build).
> A
Darn, too bad :( the speed is definitely not fantastic (3.8mb/s read vs
15-20mb/s in Linux for a usb flash stick) + the mem usage...
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On 06/09/07, UNIX admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So it would seem:
> > http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
> >
> > If they actually follow through on this, I'd buy a
> > new ATi card in a heartbeat.
>
> Why? Nvidia has great support for Solaris. They've done everything *just
> right*, including
i apologize for the typing error. Its 6452094.
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> Why don't you just use a recent cdrecord version?
I did it. Got 2.01.01a35 sources from berlios site and cdrecord burned my 6.8GB
image perfectly to the disk. Thanks for pointing me to it.
>
> cdrecord includes full support for DVD+R/DL
> (including automated and manual
> layer breask setup
>
> Actually (Open)Solaris has documentation, including
> HOWTOs, which is among the best and finest in the
> industry:
>
> http://docs.sun.com/
Yes, of course, Sun documentation is very good and I use it very often. But I
mean maybe some kind of Wiki, where people who get to know something rem
On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 05:02 -0700, UNIX admin wrote:
> > I've gone 1 step further; boycott all AMD products -
> > AMD now owns ATI;
> > if management at AMD don't have the melons to lay
> > down the law then
> > maybe a job working for the womens spinners and
> > weavers association is
> > more up
On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 13:51 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >AMD still owns ATI; if AMD management is so incompetant to be unable
> to
> >put their foot down and actually establish who is boss, who own's
> who,
> >then I think they need to give up, go home and take up an interest in
> >knittin
On 9/6/07, Neerhaj N Joshi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i am new to opensolaris discussions/community. I am working on the 652094 bug
> and do not know which is the relevant community. Please help.
>
6452094?
For any bug in ONNV, I believe osol-code is the appropriate forum.
-Shiv
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Neerhaj N Joshi stated:
< i am new to opensolaris discussions/community. I am working on the 652094 bug
and do not know which is the relevant community. Please help.
Which bug ? 652094 doesn't exist. Seems you've left out a digit there.
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> I've gone 1 step further; boycott all AMD products -
> AMD now owns ATI;
> if management at AMD don't have the melons to lay
> down the law then
> maybe a job working for the womens spinners and
> weavers association is
> more up their alley.
I've got nothing against AMD. The Opterons in my serv
>AMD still owns ATI; if AMD management is so incompetant to be unable to
>put their foot down and actually establish who is boss, who own's who,
>then I think they need to give up, go home and take up an interest in
>knitting.
I don't think management chains actually have that much control over
On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 09:20 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Sun refusing to make noise doesn't help either. Considering that
> almost
> >every SPARC machine ships with ATI gpus inside, if they really meant
> it,
> >they would have removed it - and launch a campaign of pulling AMD's
> name
> >thr
On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 01:02 -0700, UNIX admin wrote:
> > So it would seem:
> > http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
> >
> > If they actually follow through on this, I'd buy a
> > new ATi card in a heartbeat.
>
> Why? Nvidia has great support for Solaris. They've done everything
> *just right*, includi
On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 12:08 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > So this is sketched out roughly, but no coding has started on this
> yet
> > > (and, given my commitments changed, isn't going to start by myself
> any
> > > time soon either).
> >
> >
On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> Kaiwai Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> So this is sketched out roughly, but no coding has started on this yet
>>> (and, given my commitments changed, isn't going to start by myself any
>>> time soon either).
>>
>> Cool but in regards to how th
Kaiwai Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So this is sketched out roughly, but no coding has started on this yet
> > (and, given my commitments changed, isn't going to start by myself any
> > time soon either).
>
> Cool but in regards to how the FAT is read, that is, dumping the whole
> thi
It's reasonable to expect problems in one release that aren't there in the next
one, I've been using unstable builds as my primary desktop for a very long time
without much trouble. Usually what I do is use another local machine as a
stable platform & use 'screen' to that, or restrict certain ac
I was getting 1.8meg from Hilo on it today...
Tim
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On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's like Adobe (née MacroMedia) flashplayer vs Acroread for x86[1].
Casper
[1] Perhaps the mention of Acroread for x86 should be an amendment to
Godwin's law.
Please toss GPL (at least on the OpenSolaris list;-) in that amendment
also.
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> As a by-product of this thread, I would like to say
> that I miss a howto repository (as there is in Linux)
> or a knowledge base (as Microsoft offers for their
> products) for such common knowledge that one must
> become aware of before one can fully appreciate the
> beauty of OpenSolaris. Somet
> cdrw is a strange program on Solaris. It has been
> started as CD only
> program around 2002 - 4 years after cdrecord did
> introduce DVD writing support.
> At the time cdrw was added to Solaris, they also
> added mkisofs but not cdrecord
> although cdecord and mkisofs are in the same source
> d
> So it would seem:
> http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/
>
> If they actually follow through on this, I'd buy a
> new ATi card in a heartbeat.
Why? Nvidia has great support for Solaris. They've done everything *just
right*, including packaging. I checked their stuff and they really *paid
attention
>Sun refusing to make noise doesn't help either. Considering that almost
>every SPARC machine ships with ATI gpus inside, if they really meant it,
>they would have removed it - and launch a campaign of pulling AMD's name
>through the mud for poor co-operation with a partner.
I'm not sure that is
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