Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-15 Thread Shawn Walker
On 8/15/05, Glynn Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heya, I don't know much about build environments in the RPM world, but don't development teams generally base their shared build environments on the rpmbuild tool and repositories of RPM spec files? I would imagine they share their

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-11 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me too, but I think Dennis and Joerg are saying that, in theory, any build system should be able to generate an exact duplicate of any binary SUNW packages for which Sun has documented the build parameters and patches used. (And assuming the original

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Compiling OpenSolaris does not produce packages but 8 CPIO archives. If I install SchilliX and add pkgadd, I still cannot use most blastwave packages because blastwave packages contein dependencies to SUNW packages that seem to be missing

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-10 Thread Joerg Schilling
Matt Ingenthron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be disappointed if there were a significant amount of further separation from SUNW packages. I have no ability to influence it, but iff the community settles on a package framework, I'd rather see a set of OSOLblah packages or something like that

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-09 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Matt Ingenthron wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: (snip...) These are the sort of things that we need to address. I am working on a new Subversion repository for all the software at Blastwave right now. If we also implement a build system then we can move towards a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-09 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, TJ Yang wrote: Previously, Eric Boutilier wrote: The project goal states ... provide OpenSolaris OS a modern package age management system. What will be the right wording of above sentence ? TJ, First let me backtrack a bit. In my first reply I didn't realize

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-09 Thread Chris Ricker
On Tue, 9 Aug 2005, Eric Boutilier wrote: On Sat, 6 Aug 2005, TJ Yang wrote: Previously, Eric Boutilier wrote: The project goal states ... provide OpenSolaris OS a modern package age management system. What will be the right wording of above sentence ? TJ, First let

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-09 Thread Albert White
Hi, Chris Ricker wrote: I think it's perhaps more clear, particularly if you're wanting to compare lots of different systems / cherry-pick from available implementations, to think of the needed functionality as 3 different things: * building packages * installing and removing packages *

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-08 Thread Albert White
Hi, TJ Yang wrote: I read albertw's blog but I failed to understand how to use Solaris' patch management system to be a modern PMS for OpenSoalris. I would advocate the use of patches for updating packages. But I would be very interested in seeing the things that people don't like about

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-08 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 8/8/05, Albert White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: most of this email snipped If a consensus develops among the distributions to go with a particular high level management system then thats great. But its a separate discussion from whether to use the SVR4 package architecture. Cheers,

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-08 Thread Joerg Schilling
Bob Palowoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is true. If we look at the roadmap the install and admin tools are scheduled for next year around April/May timeframe. It's proably better to hold off until than until the patch management can architectually include those stable interfaces.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-08 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 8/8/05, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Palowoda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is true. If we look at the roadmap the install and admin tools are scheduled for next year around April/May timeframe. It's proably better to hold off until than until the patch management

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-08 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 8/8/05, Matt Ingenthron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a recent services engagement with a customer, one of the admins was vi challenged. He was used to Linux where pico was found on many systems. I helped him get pkg-get on the Solaris 10 system and proceeded to pkg-get pine, which

[osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-06 Thread TJ Yang
snip TJ, The project goal states ... provide OpenSolaris OS a modern package age management system. It seems to assume that Sun will definitely never open-source its new (and evolving) package update system, Sun Update Connection (which is based on Sun's patch tools and

[osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-06 Thread Albert White
Hi, http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/albertw?entry=updaing _software_in_the_open Updaing? ok ok so I didn't spellcheck the title! guilty. To die up? huh? Btw, interesting comments there as well :-) hmm... not very relavent are they. Deleted. Thanks Dragan, ~Al This message posted from

[osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-06 Thread TJ Yang
snip Albert White wrote a nice overview of Sun Update Connection technologies (in an OpenSolaris context) on his blog. See: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/albertw?entry=updaing _software_in_the_open I will read it later. I read albertw's blog but I failed to understand

[osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-05 Thread TJ Yang
To the OpenSolaris.org webmasters, Is there no Wiki on the opensolaris.org site that we could use for this - my only issue with something so core being discussed off-site is that it's likely to get lost... Hmm I pick mediawiki site even I am moinmoin user becuase mediawiki is most

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-05 Thread Darren Kenny
I'd totally vote for moinmoin - my favourite Wiki, but I'm sure everyone has their own... Darren. TJ Yang wrote: To the OpenSolaris.org webmasters, Is there no Wiki on the opensolaris.org site that we could use for this - my only issue with something so core being discussed off-site is

[osol-discuss] Re: Can we start OpenSolaris PMS enhancement project ?

2005-08-05 Thread Bob Palowoda
On Fri, 5 Aug 2005, TJ Yang wrote: There are many discussions happened recently on the matter of package management system on Solaris/OpenSolaris, I am glad to see many interests to address the issue of outdated PMS on Opensolaris. [...] TJ, The project goal states ...