John Summerfield wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 April 2007 18:32, Damon Register wrote:
>
>> Ok, when Xwindows is not running, nedit might not be of any value
>> (although I thought I remember there being a curses version) but then
>> there is joe which is a lot nicer IMHO than vi.
>>
>
>
> If th
On Wednesday 11 April 2007 18:32, Damon Register wrote:
> Ok, when Xwindows is not running, nedit might not be of any value
> (although I thought I remember there being a curses version) but then
> there is joe which is a lot nicer IMHO than vi.
If there is any possibiltiy that you will be called
On Wed April 11 2007 6:32 am, Damon Register scratched these words onto
a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:
> M Harris wrote:
> > telling me about ( joe ) ... I am always willing to learn new
> > stuff... and this little joe editor might do the trick for some of
> > my ( shall I say )
>
> Joe i
David Brodbeck wrote:
> G.T.Smith wrote:
>
>> Actually the first thing I do is try to get pico working. Nice little
>> very basic editor, and I would agree with Doug and go a litlle further
>> and say IMHO vi is interesting for those with a masochistic
>> disposition:-)
>>
>
> I don't like
M Harris wrote:
telling me about ( joe ) ... I am always willing to learn new stuff... and
this little joe editor might do the trick for some of my ( shall I say )
Joe is my favorite if for no other reason than I can get the help on
the top of the screen.
modal brain-dead friends... I mean th
John Andersen wrote:
>> I don't like pico because there's no way to jump to the beginning or end
>> of the file. This may have been OK for editing email, which was its
>> original purpose, but it's frustrating when you're working with
>> configuration files.
>>
>
> Odd, I've found page up / p
On Tuesday 10 April 2007, David Brodbeck wrote:
> G.T.Smith wrote:
> > Actually the first thing I do is try to get pico working. Nice little
> > very basic editor, and I would agree with Doug and go a litlle further
> > and say IMHO vi is interesting for those with a masochistic
> > disposition:-)
G.T.Smith wrote:
> Actually the first thing I do is try to get pico working. Nice little
> very basic editor, and I would agree with Doug and go a litlle further
> and say IMHO vi is interesting for those with a masochistic
> disposition:-)
I don't like pico because there's no way to jump to the b
* Doug McGarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-10-07 20:18]:
[...]
> Yes, it was, but when I had learned it, I turned off that helper so as
> to have a fuller page to write on. I wish the modern graphic editors
> had the ^b function to reformat the text, so as to make the text fit
> the page, with marg
On Tuesday 10 April 2007 02:51, jdd wrote:
> Doug McGarrett wrote:
> > You're right, Pat. WordStar debuted on cpm, and it was a while to get
> > to know the key-strokes to move around and modify things,
>
> nope: it was written on the top of the screen :-)
>
> jdd
>
>
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On Tuesday 10 April 2007 12:03:13 am M Harris wrote:
> On Monday 09 April 2007 16:31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> > If you're new to Unix/Linux, and you don't actually _need_VI, then use
> > something friendly like MC, or pico, or joe. There's a whole text-book
> > on VI, and this is not a user-friend
On Monday 09 April 2007 08:26:27 am dwain wrote:
> On Monday 09 April 2007 00:00, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
> > All a part of the learning process. Imagine, you can actually even be
> > an active participant, and can effect changes.
>
> I think I need to get a bit more opensuse under my belt and kno
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The Monday 2007-04-09 at 16:03 -0500, M Harris wrote:
> On Monday 09 April 2007 16:31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> > If you're new to Unix/Linux, and you don't actually _need_VI, then use
> > something friendly like MC, or pico, or joe.
Agreed. :-)
>
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The Monday 2007-04-09 at 20:15 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> [...]
> > The default keybindings are based loosely on "WordStar", which had a
> > lot of clones that used the same commands.
>
> which, iirc, originated on cp/m. After learning Words
Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-09-07 18:06]:
> [...]
>
>> The default keybindings are based loosely on "WordStar", which had a
>> lot of clones that used the same commands.
>>
>
> which, iirc, originated on cp/m. After learning Wordstar keystrokes
> and
I loved SOS until much later I discovered emacs. Trouble is that SOS
depended on the 5 7-bit bytes in a word with 1 bit left over. Not
many machines like that now (and I view that as a loss too).
Mind you I was quiet good with E3 and edit way way back.
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M Harris wrote:
> On Monday 09 April 2007 16:31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
>
>> If you're new to Unix/Linux, and you don't actually _need_VI, then use
>> something friendly like MC, or pico, or joe. There's a whole text-book on
>> VI, and this is not a user-friendly thing, and neither is EMACS, alt
On Monday, 9. April 2007 04:44:08 dwain wrote:
> How long is a distribution (i.e. 10.2) supported with patches and updates
http://en.opensuse.org/SUSE_Linux_Lifetime
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OK, someone had to join on from the backwoods.
If the system is in a bad way the /bib/ed is the only editor to use.
If the system is running then emacs, suitable customised for my
keystrokes
And while we are at it, no KDE and no Gnome.
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M Harris wrote:
universal enough for the unix playing field. VI is everywhere...
yes and no.
of course, you are right, but in fact VI don't even exists... There
are no such thing as "Original VI"
on Linux, most used VI is _vim_, but Gentoo starts with a much more
simple one. even busybox
Doug McGarrett wrote:
You're right, Pat. WordStar debuted on cpm, and it was a while to get
to know the key-strokes to move around and modify things,
nope: it was written on the top of the screen :-)
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M Harris wrote:
On Monday 09 April 2007 17:07, David Brodbeck wrote:
With all seriousness, sometimes when you're setting up a new system, or
recovering from some sort of disaster, vi is all you've got. So it's
worthwhile to at least learn the basics.
Yes ...
... and the main
Bob S wrote:
> Besides Vi there is also joe. (since about 10.0 I think)
>
And some distributions ship with 'nano'. But if you're setting up an
OpenBSD or Solaris system from scratch, you'll likely find yourself with
just 'vi' to play with. Same with some rescue floppies.
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On Monday 09 April 2007 22:14, Bob S wrote:
> > Yes ...
>
> No
>
> Besides Vi there is also joe. (since about 10.0 I think)
Well, uh, NO.
... heh heh... but before I make my point I do sincerely thank you
for
telling me about ( joe ) ... I am always will
On Monday 09 April 2007 17:39, M Harris wrote:
> On Monday 09 April 2007 17:07, David Brodbeck wrote:
> > With all seriousness, sometimes when you're setting up a new system, or
> > recovering from some sort of disaster, vi is all you've got. So it's
> > worthwhile to at least learn the basics.
>
On Monday 09 April 2007 20:15, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-09-07 18:06]:
> [...]
>
> > The default keybindings are based loosely on "WordStar", which had a
> > lot of clones that used the same commands.
>
> which, iirc, originated on cp/m. After learning Wor
* David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-09-07 18:06]:
[...]
> The default keybindings are based loosely on "WordStar", which had a
> lot of clones that used the same commands.
which, iirc, originated on cp/m. After learning Wordstar keystrokes
and then dos with qedit from semware, later renamed
On Monday 09 April 2007 17:07, David Brodbeck wrote:
> With all seriousness, sometimes when you're setting up a new system, or
> recovering from some sort of disaster, vi is all you've got. So it's
> worthwhile to at least learn the basics.
Yes ...
... and the main thing (se
On 2007-04-09 16:09, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> On Sunday 08 April 2007 22:44, dwain wrote:
>
>> How long is a distribution (i.e. 10.2) supported with patches and updates
>> before I need to upgrade to the newest distribution? Is it prudent to
>> upgrade when the new distribution is released from
On Sunday 08 April 2007 22:44, dwain wrote:
> How long is a distribution (i.e. 10.2) supported with patches and updates
> before I need to upgrade to the newest distribution? Is it prudent to
> upgrade when the new distribution is released from a RC? Does opensuse go
> from beta to release candid
M Harris wrote:
> Well... I'm just incensed here... :-P
>
> ... first off, if you're new to unix, the very first thing you *must*
> learn
> is vi, period, end of story. So, just pull out the info or man pages and get
> cracking... you *will* need it before you grow up so just bite
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon 09 Apr 2007 21:31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
>
>> If you're new to Unix/Linux, and you don't actually _need_VI, then
>> use something friendly like MC, or pico, or joe
>>
>
> - joe works fine for me . . . commands are similar to old
> word-processor -"Star-Wr
On Monday 09 April 2007 16:31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> If you're new to Unix/Linux, and you don't actually _need_VI, then use
> something friendly like MC, or pico, or joe. There's a whole text-book on
> VI, and this is not a user-friendly thing, and neither is EMACS, altho the
> old Unix hands wi
On Mon 09 Apr 2007 21:31, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> If you're new to Unix/Linux, and you don't actually _need_VI, then
> use something friendly like MC, or pico, or joe
- joe works fine for me . . . commands are similar to old
word-processor -"Star-Writer" [if I recall]
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On Monday 09 April 2007 01:54, dwain wrote:
> On Sunday 08 April 2007 23:45, M Harris wrote:
> > On Monday 09 April 2007 00:26, dwain wrote:
> > > How do I get to the man pages again?
> >
> > Actually, they are mostly obsolete...
> >
> > ... you want to load and use info these days
Graham Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Martin J Hooper wrote:
>
>> Graham Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Use the URL
>>> #
>>> e.g. #lp will give you a list of all man pages starting with lp
>>>
>> I thought it was man:/ That's what Ive done to get a
>> manpage in Konq... Could be wrong
Graham Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, dwain wrote:
>
>> On Monday 09 April 2007 00:00, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
>>
>>> All a part of the learning process. Imagine, you can actually even be
>>> an active participant, and can effect changes.
>>>
>> I think I need to get a bit more
On Monday 09 April 2007 05:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> The Monday 2007-04-09 at 05:10 -0500, dwain wrote:
> > > > BTW, you can also use info:/ to look at the info pages
> > >
> > > Ah So you can ;) Thanks for the info...
> >
> > Is this done at the command line in the console or at the Run prompt?
>
dwain wrote:
On Monday 09 April 2007 04:15, Martin J Hooper wrote:
Graham Smith wrote:
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Martin J Hooper wrote:
Graham Smith wrote:
Use the URL
#
e.g. #lp will give you a list of all man pages starting with lp
I thought it was man:/ That's what Ive done to get a
manpage
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The Monday 2007-04-09 at 05:10 -0500, dwain wrote:
> > > BTW, you can also use info:/ to look at the info pages
> >
> > Ah So you can ;) Thanks for the info...
>
> Is this done at the command line in the console or at the Run prompt?
It is an URL
On Monday 09 April 2007 04:15, Martin J Hooper wrote:
> Graham Smith wrote:
> > On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Martin J Hooper wrote:
> >> Graham Smith wrote:
> >>> Use the URL
> >>> #
> >>> e.g. #lp will give you a list of all man pages starting with lp
> >>
> >> I thought it was man:/ That's what Ive don
Graham Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Martin J Hooper wrote:
>> Graham Smith wrote:
>>> Use the URL
>>> #
>>> e.g. #lp will give you a list of all man pages starting with lp
>> I thought it was man:/ That's what Ive done to get a
>> manpage in Konq... Could be wrong though.
>
> You can use
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The Monday 2007-04-09 at 00:54 -0500, dwain wrote:
> I think I'll try info vi since the man pages are "mostly obsolete".
No, I don't agree. They aren't "mostly" obsolete. Some of them are. Some
have both an info and a man pages pointing to an htm
M Harris wrote:
> On Monday 09 April 2007 00:26, dwain wrote:
>
>> How do I get to the man pages again?
>>
> Actually, they are mostly obsolete...
>
> ... you want to load and use info these days
>
>
>
Really? There are quite a few commands that do not have an info en
On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, Martin J Hooper wrote:
> Graham Smith wrote:
> > Use the URL
> > #
> > e.g. #lp will give you a list of all man pages starting with lp
>
> I thought it was man:/ That's what Ive done to get a
> manpage in Konq... Could be wrong though.
You can use either
# or man:/
Just th
Graham Smith wrote:
Use the URL
#
e.g. #lp will give you a list of all man pages starting with lp
I thought it was man:/ That's what Ive done to get a
manpage in Konq... Could be wrong though.
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On Mon, 9 Apr 2007, dwain wrote:
> On Monday 09 April 2007 00:00, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
> > All a part of the learning process. Imagine, you can actually even be
> > an active participant, and can effect changes.
>
> I think I need to get a bit more opensuse under my belt and know a bit more
> a
On Sunday 08 April 2007 23:45, M Harris wrote:
> On Monday 09 April 2007 00:26, dwain wrote:
> > How do I get to the man pages again?
>
> Actually, they are mostly obsolete...
>
> ... you want to load and use info these days
>
>
> But if you insist, you can run
>
> m
On Monday 09 April 2007 00:26, dwain wrote:
> How do I get to the man pages again?
Actually, they are mostly obsolete...
... you want to load and use info these days
But if you insist, you can run
man man
You want to know how to use vi... type
On Monday 09 April 2007 00:00, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
> All a part of the learning process. Imagine, you can actually even be
> an active participant, and can effect changes.
I think I need to get a bit more opensuse under my belt and know a bit more
about the OS before I can effectively be an
dwain wrote:
> How long is a distribution (i.e. 10.2) supported with patches and updates
> before I need to upgrade to the newest distribution?
approx. 2 years
> Is it prudent to
> upgrade when the new distribution is released from a RC?
That is up to you. If it ain't broke, don't fix it wor
How long is a distribution (i.e. 10.2) supported with patches and updates
before I need to upgrade to the newest distribution? Is it prudent to
upgrade when the new distribution is released from a RC? Does opensuse go
from beta to release candidate to new version (or whatever it's called)?
I
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