Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread Druid
> Forums are more user-friendly, which is the point of community > communication system. We need easier ways for community to communicate > between ourselves. We need to stop thinking you know better and that nobody has ever thought of that before. There wasnt a consensus with the current forums

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread Pueblo Native
Alexey Eremenko wrote: > Forums are more user-friendly, which is the point of community > communication system. We need easier ways for community to communicate > between ourselves. That's just about as wrong and idiotic as blindly assigning maturity levels to those who don't use your form of comm

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread Rajko M.
On Friday 13 April 2007 18:44, Alexey Eremenko wrote: > Forums are more user-friendly, Alexey, User friendlyness is just phrase without meaning if you don't tell to what case it applies. Web forums are more user friendly for new users that want to browse them like they do on the web, but for

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread Rajko M.
On Friday 13 April 2007 12:59, Sandy Drobic wrote: > Again, this might not apply to me personally, but I imagine that it will > more appealing to people that do not have the yearlong experience with > mailinglists. That is right to the point. Plus, I recently became aware that most of people I k

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread John Andersen
On Friday 13 April 2007, Alexey Eremenko wrote: > Forums are more user-friendly, which is the point of community > communication system. We need easier ways for community to communicate > between ourselves. Forums are NOT user friendly. No way would a user friendly system: 1) make me click an

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread Dylan
On Saturday 14 April 2007, Alexey Eremenko wrote: > Forums are more user-friendly, In *your* opinion - I find them frustrating and impossibly obtuse. > > PHPbb-like Forum (as primary interface) + mailing-list that mirrors the > forum as a secondary interface - would be best. No, what would be b

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread Alexey Eremenko
Forums are more user-friendly, which is the point of community communication system. We need easier ways for community to communicate between ourselves. PHPbb-like Forum (as primary interface) + mailing-list that mirrors the forum as a secondary interface - would be best. -- -Alexey Eremenko "Te

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread Pueblo Native
John Andersen wrote: > On Friday 13 April 2007, Pueblo Native wrote: > > >> Why? Just because you have to wait a little bit. Isn't it more >> "childish" to demand an answer right then and there on your terms rather >> than wait patiently? >> > > Why should I wait patiently? > Give me one

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread David Brodbeck
G.T.Smith wrote: > I personally have mixed views about forums (annoying things like > preparing a response, finding you have been logged out, and having to > redo response; and brain dead search options oh of course [EMAIL > PROTECTED] > advertising) And having to re-find your place every tim

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread John Andersen
On Friday 13 April 2007, Pueblo Native wrote: > Why?  Just because you have to wait a little bit.  Isn't it more > "childish" to demand an answer right then and there on your terms rather > than wait patiently? Why should I wait patiently? Give me one good reason. Just One! You call it childish

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread jdd
Sandy Drobic wrote: What were the reasons that people wanted a forum? please, browse the opensuse list archives, this have been discussed often. fact is forums are very popular (personnally I don't like them, but many people do - it's probably better for casual access) jdd -- http://www.

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread Sandy Drobic
John Andersen wrote: > On Friday 13 April 2007, Sandy Drobic wrote: >> The graphical Interface with lots of buttons could offer some hints for >> the casual reader of the mailinglist, something like: > > The graphical interface IS the Problem, not the solution. > > After forums, next comes a dema

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread John Andersen
On Friday 13 April 2007, Sandy Drobic wrote: > The graphical Interface with lots of buttons could offer some hints for > the casual reader of the mailinglist, something like: The graphical interface IS the Problem, not the solution. After forums, next comes a demand for Avitars. Then animated av

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2007-04-12 at 17:13 -0600, Pueblo Native wrote: > > What do you think about building a new one or declaring some currently > > existing one as the official? > > > > Official? > Why do we need that? > Look, there's OpenSuse.us, which I u

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread Sandy Drobic
jdd wrote: > Sandy Drobic wrote: > >> So, what would I gain from using a forum? I don't think I would gain >> anything. > > > the problem have been very often quoted: people asks for something. This > don't hurt and uses very little work: do it! > > the real question is: do we need an _official

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread jdd
Sandy Drobic wrote: So, what would I gain from using a forum? I don't think I would gain anything. the problem have been very often quoted: people asks for something. This don't hurt and uses very little work: do it! the real question is: do we need an _official_ openSUSE forum. Time ago

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread G.T.Smith
Sandy Drobic wrote: > What might offer an additional value is an archive of tested solutions to > problems, something like a how-to-solve-problems-wiki. That could be > refered to on the mailing list to answer problems quickly and decisively. > Though it still wouldn't be a forum. > > > Useful

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread Sandy Drobic
Alexey Eremenko wrote: > OK, people I understood your points. > > 1. Some seems to have preference for mailing-lists, some others > (including me) have preference for PHPbb Forums. > > 2. I really liked the idea that we already have a webForum > representation of mailing-lists, but the current Fo

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread Dave Crouse
On 4/13/07, John Andersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thursday 12 April 2007, Dave Crouse wrote: > So, My how-to's on installing suse ftp ver9.1 that has 95,000+ page > views are just irrelevant dribble and we should just close down all > the forums because a few of you don't see any virtue in

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread Kai Ponte
On Friday 13 April 2007 01:43:49 am John Andersen wrote: > On Thursday 12 April 2007, Kai Ponte wrote: > > > What do you think about building a new one or declaring some currently > > > existing one as the official? > > > > Though I come to the mailing list often simply because it is somewhat > > c

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread Kai Ponte
On Friday 13 April 2007 04:33:04 am Alexey Eremenko wrote: > OK, people I understood your points. > > 1. Some seems to have preference for mailing-lists, some others > (including me) have preference for PHPbb Forums. > > 2. I really liked the idea that we already have a webForum > representation of

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread Pueblo Native
John Andersen wrote: > O > I on the other hand loath them. > Why would I want to wait for response time each time I click on a post. > > My email is here waiting for me when I get to the computer. > Why should I wait for the computer to suck down several thousand bytes > just to find out that it wa

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread Alexey Eremenko
OK, people I understood your points. 1. Some seems to have preference for mailing-lists, some others (including me) have preference for PHPbb Forums. 2. I really liked the idea that we already have a webForum representation of mailing-lists, but the current Forum is really noobish and non-intuit

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread John Andersen
On Thursday 12 April 2007, Dave Crouse wrote: > Kind of > insulting to myself and other forum creators that have taken the time > to create forums/irc channels and more to HELP the community. Just because we disagree about the efficiency and usability of forums does not mean we are insulting you.

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread John Andersen
On Thursday 12 April 2007, jdd wrote: > there have been very long threads on this very subject at least one > year ago, without any really satisfactory result Its been quite satisfactory if you ask me. -- _ John Andersen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PR

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread John Andersen
On Thursday 12 April 2007, Jan Karjalainen wrote: > Dave Crouse wrote: > > So, My how-to's on installing suse ftp ver9.1 that has 95,000+ page > > views are just irrelevant dribble and we should just close down all > > the forums because a few of you don't see any virtue in them ? > > > > Perhaps "

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread John Andersen
On Thursday 12 April 2007, Dave Crouse wrote: > So, My how-to's on installing suse ftp ver9.1 that has 95,000+ page > views are just irrelevant dribble and we should just close down all > the forums because a few of you don't see any virtue in them ? Dave: We have a wiki and archives. Those 9500

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-13 Thread John Andersen
On Thursday 12 April 2007, Kai Ponte wrote: > > What do you think about building a new one or declaring some currently > > existing one as the official? > > Though I come to the mailing list often simply because it is somewhat > convenient, I also prefer forums. I on the other hand loath them. Why

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-12 Thread Kai Ponte
On Thursday 12 April 2007 10:08:18 am Alexey Eremenko wrote: > hi all ! > > I much prefer the PHPbb forum to mailing-lists, so I would like to > request building such a centralized forum, as there are many available > currently, but no central one. > > The one I liked most (in design) is: > http://

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-12 Thread Pueblo Native
Alexey Eremenko wrote: hi all ! I much prefer the PHPbb forum to mailing-lists, so I would like to request building such a centralized forum, as there are many available currently, but no central one. The one I liked most (in design) is: http://opensuse.us/ What do you think about building a n

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-12 Thread Jan Karjalainen
Dave Crouse wrote: So, My how-to's on installing suse ftp ver9.1 that has 95,000+ page views are just irrelevant dribble and we should just close down all the forums because a few of you don't see any virtue in them ? Perhaps "Webforum suck." to YOU, but they DO NOT to everyone else. There is ro

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-12 Thread Dave Crouse
So, My how-to's on installing suse ftp ver9.1 that has 95,000+ page views are just irrelevant dribble and we should just close down all the forums because a few of you don't see any virtue in them ? Perhaps "Webforum suck." to YOU, but they DO NOT to everyone else. There is room in the community

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-12 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Jan Karjalainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [04-12-07 16:16]: [...] > Mutt sucks. But hey, to each and everyone his/her own! BUT, it sucks *less*. Check it out :^) -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@ http://count

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-12 Thread Leen de Braal
> Thu, 12 Apr 2007, by [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > >> hi all ! >> >> I much prefer the PHPbb forum to mailing-lists, so I would like to >> request building such a centralized forum, as there are many available >> currently, but no central one. >> > > Webforum suck. > In Mutt I can go through the 200-300

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-12 Thread Jan Karjalainen
Theo v. Werkhoven wrote: Thu, 12 Apr 2007, by [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi all ! I much prefer the PHPbb forum to mailing-lists, so I would like to request building such a centralized forum, as there are many available currently, but no central one. The one I liked most (in design) is: http://ope

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-12 Thread Theo v. Werkhoven
Thu, 12 Apr 2007, by [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > hi all ! > > I much prefer the PHPbb forum to mailing-lists, so I would like to > request building such a centralized forum, as there are many available > currently, but no central one. > > The one I liked most (in design) is: > http://opensuse.us/ > >

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-12 Thread Randall R Schulz
On Thursday 12 April 2007 10:42, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > I much prefer the PHPbb forum to mailing-lists, so I would like to > > request building such a centralized forum, as there are many > > available currently, but no central one. > > ... > > ... > > Forums, etc... just segregate a commun

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-12 Thread Dave Crouse
Forums, etc... just segregate a community; and the people most likely to be able to answer questions [in my 10+ years experience] prefer mailing lists [because they also prefer real mail clients which make using mailing lists almost effortless?]. By that token your saying that forums and irc a

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-12 Thread Druid
On 4/12/07, Alexey Eremenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hi all ! I much prefer the PHPbb forum to mailing-lists, so I would like to request building such a centralized forum, as there are many available currently, but no central one. The one I liked most (in design) is: http://opensuse.us/ What

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-12 Thread jdd
Alexey Eremenko wrote: hi all ! I much prefer the PHPbb forum to mailing-lists, so I would like to request building such a centralized forum, as there are many available currently, but no central one. The one I liked most (in design) is: http://opensuse.us/ What do you think about building a n

Re: [opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-12 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
> I much prefer the PHPbb forum to mailing-lists, so I would like to > request building such a centralized forum, as there are many available > currently, but no central one. > The one I liked most (in design) is: > http://opensuse.us/ > What do you think about building a new one or declaring some

[opensuse] may we get official openSUSE PHPbb forum?

2007-04-12 Thread Alexey Eremenko
hi all ! I much prefer the PHPbb forum to mailing-lists, so I would like to request building such a centralized forum, as there are many available currently, but no central one. The one I liked most (in design) is: http://opensuse.us/ What do you think about building a new one or declaring some