please, This a about choice, there are two CD 1's each will take you to
the full installation of your choice. Each will also give you a fully
If it was about choice, I demand the wmaker one cd, and the xfce one
cd... Lets speak the english clear here, right? Lets not try to put
smoke in the
Druid [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
please, This a about choice, there are two CD 1's each will take you to
the full installation of your choice. Each will also give you a fully
If it was about choice, I demand the wmaker one cd, and the xfce one
cd... Lets speak the english clear here,
It is not about choice, its about having to have gnome. Again: there
Let me make perfectly clear that openSUSE is not a KDE distribution and
Thanks for clarifying, aj, I must have confused something, probably
about opensuse being a kde distribution...
end of thread
regards
Marcio
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druid
On Sunday, 8. July 2007 11:36:10 Carlos F Lange wrote:
I change my vote. I thought TexLive was in addition to teTex, the usual
Latex package. As Alberto pointed out, there is talk about removing it.
Correct, TeX Live supersedes TeTeX and does not enhance it.
Bye,
Steve
On Monday, 9. July 2007 14:20:47 Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
openSUSE switched to TeXLive, which is bigger than tetex. [..] How other
distributions can provide TeX (fedora, mandriva, ...) on the DVD?
Strange question: current Fedora does include TeTex (dunno about Mandriva), I
doubt that you
Thanks a lot for your feedback on TeXLive, this was valuable.
I discussed further with Michael and we will do the following:
* The 1 CD GNOME/KDE will not include TeXLive (definitely not enough
space)
* During installation the ftp tree will be added so that users can
install TeXLive via
It sounds great! :-)
Bye,
Alberto
Il giorno mar, 10/07/2007 alle 12.56 +0200, Andreas Jaeger ha scritto:
Thanks a lot for your feedback on TeXLive, this was valuable.
I discussed further with Michael and we will do the following:
* The 1 CD GNOME/KDE will not include TeXLive (definitely
On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 12:56 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Thanks a lot for your feedback on TeXLive, this was valuable.
I discussed further with Michael and we will do the following:
* The 1 CD GNOME/KDE will not include TeXLive (definitely not enough
space)
* During installation the
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Thanks a lot for your feedback on TeXLive, this was valuable.
I discussed further with Michael and we will do the following:
* The 1 CD GNOME/KDE will not include TeXLive (definitely not enough
space)
* During installation the ftp tree
Richard Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Tue, 10 Jul 2007, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Thanks a lot for your feedback on TeXLive, this was valuable.
I discussed further with Michael and we will do the following:
* The 1 CD GNOME/KDE will not include TeXLive (definitely not enough
@opensuse.org
Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary
software in openSUSE
Thanks a lot for your feedback on TeXLive, this was valuable.
I discussed further with Michael and we will do the following:
* The 1 CD GNOME/KDE will not include TeXLive (definitely not enough
What's the point of still creating the 5 CDs / DVD5 if we now have the
1 CD GNOME/KDE images?
The question is why isnt the one cd kde the first CD of the 5-cd set,
instead of being yet another media, thats much more sensible to me...
I believe the answer is that we have to have damn gnome,
On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 16:44 -0200, Druid wrote:
What's the point of still creating the 5 CDs / DVD5 if we now have the
1 CD GNOME/KDE images?
The question is why isnt the one cd kde the first CD of the 5-cd set,
instead of being yet another media, thats much more sensible to me...
Bernhard Walle wrote:
* Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-07 16:27]:
TeXlive
No TeX distribution in the DVD set? Please not.
The survey is *not* representative, and why should a TeX user take
part at all if a survey is titled 'Proprietary Software'? It was IMO
*very* hidden that
Il giorno dom, 08/07/2007 alle 20.11 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto:
Most of the people I introduce to openSUSE complain about how long it
takes to install and can't believe it takes an entire DVD just to get
Linux running.
This is not going to improve neither with the netinstall nor with
On Saturday 07 July 2007 22:30:12 Bernhard Walle wrote:
* Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-07 16:27]:
TeXlive
No TeX distribution in the DVD set? Please not.
The survey is *not* representative, and why should a TeX user take
part at all if a survey is titled 'Proprietary
Am Sonntag 08 Juli 2007 schrieb Alberto Passalacqua:
Maybe CTAN usage statistics can help the decision. Someone thinks noone
uses LaTeX, but I think the numbers are interesting, considering it's a
specific tool:
http://www.ctan.org/usage/ftp/usage_200706.html
To give an idea, in June 2007:
* Stephan Kulow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-09 13:57]:
Am Sonntag 08 Juli 2007 schrieb Alberto Passalacqua:
Maybe CTAN usage statistics can help the decision. Someone thinks noone
uses LaTeX, but I think the numbers are interesting, considering it's a
specific tool:
Il giorno lun, 09/07/2007 alle 14.11 +0200, Bernhard Walle ha scritto:
At least it should be on the
DVD9. Or what's the point of buying the box if the user has do
download all via FTP?
This is exactly my point of view.
Regards,
Alberto
Il giorno lun, 09/07/2007 alle 13.57 +0200, Stephan Kulow ha scritto:
And the question here is not if we make it impossible to use LaTeX
for
opensuse users. We discuss here if it takes a download or not to
install it.
The question is quite clear. The reasons are not, at least to me. I
don't
Hi,
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
Il giorno lun, 09/07/2007 alle 14.11 +0200, Bernhard Walle ha scritto:
At least it should be on the
DVD9. Or what's the point of buying the box if the user has do
download all via FTP?
This is exactly my point of view.
Very much
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Subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary
software in openSUSE
Michael Löffler wrote on opensuse-announce:
Hi,
the survey we did on proprietary software can be found here:
http
I believe a complete restructuring of openSUSE's delivery should be
considered. To provide as little difference between the download and the
retail versions as possible should be the goal, And there are
differences. check the bug
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=282531 there are
Il giorno lun, 09/07/2007 alle 09.46 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto:
I believe a complete restructuring of openSUSE's delivery should be
considered. To provide as little difference between the download and the
retail versions as possible should be the goal, And there are
differences. check
On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 16:20 +0200, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
Il giorno lun, 09/07/2007 alle 09.46 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto:
I believe a complete restructuring of openSUSE's delivery should be
considered. To provide as little difference between the download and the
retail versions
On Sat July 7 2007 13:25, Carlos F Lange wrote:
On Sat July 7 2007 08:27, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
TextMaker
TeXlive
What do you think?
I change my vote. I thought TexLive was in addition to teTex, the usual
Latex package. As Alberto pointed out, there is talk about removing it.
There is
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 10:34 +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
On Sun 08 Jul 2007 02:27:42 NZST +1200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
TeXlive
What do you think?
I just put a dent in my head from hitting the roof over an absence of
LaTeX from the DVD... Yes it's big, that's why having it on DVD
Il giorno dom, 08/07/2007 alle 09.14 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto:
Gentleman,
I would like to point out that the teXlive\Tex\LaTex debate seems to be
concerned with a relatively small group(in a world domination approach
of distribution, which openSUSE needs) of university\scientific
Maybe CTAN usage statistics can help the decision. Someone thinks noone
uses LaTeX, but I think the numbers are interesting, considering it's a
specific tool:
http://www.ctan.org/usage/ftp/usage_200706.html
To give an idea, in June 2007:
Total Hits: 1675377
Hits per Hour - Avg: 2326 - Max:
Il giorno dom, 08/07/2007 alle 14.27 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto:
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 18:30 +0200, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
Il giorno dom, 08/07/2007 alle 09.14 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto:
Gentleman,
I would like to point out that the teXlive\Tex\LaTex debate seems to be
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 22:32 +0200, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
Il giorno dom, 08/07/2007 alle 14.27 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto:
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 18:30 +0200, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
Il giorno dom, 08/07/2007 alle 09.14 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto:
Gentleman,
I
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 14:27 -0400, James Tremblay wrote:
On Sun, 2007-07-08 at 18:30 +0200, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
Il giorno dom, 08/07/2007 alle 09.14 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto:
Gentleman,
I would like to point out that the teXlive\Tex\LaTex debate seems to be
concerned
James Tremblay wrote:
STUFF DELETED
Having to install stuff from separate media is one of the biggest
complaints of users, and one of the most boring activities Windows users
have to do.
Most of the people I introduce to openSUSE complain about how long it
takes to install and can't believe
Michael Löffler wrote on opensuse-announce:
Hi,
the survey we did on proprietary software can be found here:
http://en.opensuse.org/UX#Surveys
It shows that we ship on the media some software which is hardly used (e.g.
PlanMaker, SEPsesam etc.). Software which is hardly used we don't
* Offer software that reached either 80% on Never or less than 15 %
on Often + Very often only via *ftp* with 10.3. The following
software would be affected:
Planmaker
SEPsesam
TextMaker
TeXlive
Hello,
I agree with you about ARCAD, Planmaker, SEPsesam and TextMaker. But I
think a
* Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-07 16:27]:
TeXlive
Also the DVD in the box?
Thanks,
Bernhard
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В сообщении от Saturday 07 July 2007 18:27:42 Andreas Jaeger написал(а):
Michael Löffler wrote on opensuse-announce:
Hi,
the survey we did on proprietary software can be found here:
http://en.opensuse.org/UX#Surveys
It shows that we ship on the media some software which is hardly used
On Sat July 7 2007 10:02, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
TeXlive
Hello,
I agree with you about ARCAD, Planmaker, SEPsesam and TextMaker. But
I think a LaTeX edition should be available also on some media.
I think it's selected at installation time by a lot of
university/research users, so it
On Sat July 7 2007 08:27, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
* Remove ARCAD completely since it does not work at all on x86-64
(see bug #248873)
* Offer software that reached either 80% on Never or less than 15
% on Often + Very often only via *ftp* with 10.3. The following
software would be affected:
On Sat July 7 2007 10:08, Bernhard Walle wrote:
* Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-07 16:27]:
TeXlive
Also the DVD in the box?
As the discussion in this enhancement suggestion shows:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=263606
the box will not contain everything, because of
Alberto,
They are talking about TexLive
(http://tug.ctan.org/cgi-bin/ctanPackageInformation.py?id=texlive),
which is a 1GB iso image that allows you to run Tex directly from a DVD
on another computer. All the other Latex and Tex related packages for
running in your own openSuse machine
* Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-07 16:27]:
TeXlive
No TeX distribution in the DVD set? Please not.
The survey is *not* representative, and why should a TeX user take
part at all if a survey is titled 'Proprietary Software'? It was IMO
*very* hidden that TeX is in it. And TeX users
On Sun 08 Jul 2007 02:27:42 NZST +1200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
TeXlive
What do you think?
I just put a dent in my head from hitting the roof over an absence of
LaTeX from the DVD... Yes it's big, that's why having it on DVD helps.
Volker
--
Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with
On Saturday 07 July 2007 09:27, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Michael Löffler wrote on opensuse-announce:
Hi,
the survey we did on proprietary software can be found here:
http://en.opensuse.org/UX#Surveys
It shows that we ship on the media some software which is hardly used
(e.g. PlanMaker,
On Sat July 7 2007 13:51, Alberto Passalacqua wrote:
Hello Carlos,
this is not exactly what I understood in status meetings. For example
here:
http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/Status_Meeting_2007-04-25/transcript
Andreas said they are switching from tetex to TeXLive:
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