[OGD] CITES hybrid conservation

2004-06-02 Thread P. Otus
Mark Sullivan said: At the International Orchid Conservation Congress 2004, the congress and the OSG, SSC, IUCN adopted two proposed changes to CITES one of which is that all hybrids be excluded from CITES and CITES Documentation. Am I the only one that thinks the International Orchid

[OGD] Slatted baskets liners

2004-06-02 Thread Martin Epstein
I have found that plastic gutter guard, used to keep leaves out of rain gutters, is an easy solution for keeping media in slatted baskets. I use it on the bottom only. It is cheap and available in rolls at most hardware stores in this area (the northeast) at least. martin

[OGD] Vanda pot mix

2004-06-02 Thread Michael Cory
Neal, David I have used wine corks in wooden baskets for years. The corks are free, do not decompose very fast and give extra surface to wet during watering that keeps the humidity higher for a longer time. I also have some Vandas in wood baskets with no mix. Many people have been successful with

[OGD] Re: Excluding hybrids from CITES

2004-06-02 Thread Frederick JM Depuydt
Hi, I'm a bit puzzled about this...does this measure include all orchid hybrids or just the tropical or the horticultural hybrids? Many native orchid sites I've seen have a number of natural hybrids, so if I'm not mistaking the poachers get a free ticket for these plants ? Also what about

[OGD] vanda media

2004-06-02 Thread CC
I don't think moss is that great of an idea, it seems to hold too much moisture, at least for me up in the soggy 'wet' coast of Canada. I use big pieces of lava rock for mine and they seem to grow fine. I use a single layer, mostly to hold the plant down, and soak the pant once a day for about 1

[OGD] CITES and Hybrids

2004-06-02 Thread miamitropicals-ogd
I wonder if the average inspector will be able to identify species orchids intentionally mis-labled as hybrids. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids

[OGD] Vanda bark

2004-06-02 Thread Rforchids
We'll second the comments about growing vandas with no medium in the baskets. We grow all of our vandaceous orchids this way (we do mount a few of the smaller species), in baskets with no other medium. With proper watering, good air circulation and high humidity in the growing area, no

[OGD] Re: Excluding hybrids from CITES

2004-06-02 Thread PainterArt
Carson, I agree I dont see much of a savings for orchid business though one possible benefit to orchid businesses is the of greater number of hybrids being available to them without questioning or having to establish whether the parents are CITES compliant. Of course this is all up to what

[OGD] Re: CITES Logic and intelligence

2004-06-02 Thread PainterArt
Nancy, I dont have any problem with all hybrids being excluded from CITES. Even though I tried to spell out my criticism I guess I was not clear enough for some people, though I know icones knows what I was getting at. I will try and be clearer for you. The Orchid Specialist Group and

[OGD] re CITES

2004-06-02 Thread Orchids Limited
The solutions to trade in orchids are really quite simple: #1 Ban all trade in wild collected specimens. #2 Allow all trade in true Art Prop plants regardless of whether they are species or hybrids. No Cites permits should be needed for these. There are ways to implement these 2 statements. I

Re: [OGD] Re: Excluding hybrids from CITES

2004-06-02 Thread icones
Frederick, Here is my take on your questions. Natural hybrids are not species albeit they are found in the wild. Most (please read most but not all) have very limited populations restricted to a single plant or to a handful of plants that occasionally occur. Most do not reproduce in the wild

Re: [OGD] Re: conservation congress - report

2004-06-02 Thread icones
Mark, As many of us have said on this forum CITES has nothing to do with conservation it is a TRADE treaty pure and simple. We must not confuse that issue. BTW when I asked the CITES Secretariat's Plants Officer attending the 14WOC the question What are the orchid species that CITES has saved?

[OGD] Frederick

2004-06-02 Thread Dr. Braem
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[OGD] Re: Paph. Olivia

2004-06-02 Thread IrisCohen
I have a Paph. Olivia (niveum x tonsum) which is from the Romanoff collection. It bloomed for me in 2000, but since then it produces only blasted buds almost every year. I just repotted it in a bark mix. It is a very healthy plant with good roots. Most of my other Paphs are healthy bloom

[OGD] Re: CITES hybrid conservation

2004-06-02 Thread PainterArt
POTUS It is good to hear from a fellow clear thinking, patriotic American who can put two and two together and get one. You are truly righteous. I would go further but I have a reputation of being spineless to keep. It is part of my secret plan to stamp out extremist fundamentalism. We know

[OGD] CITES stuff

2004-06-02 Thread SlipperGuy
Frederick, The first three words of CITES spells it out, and the first two don't count - Convention (on) International Trade. Regarding native sites selling natural hybrids - that does not mean that the products they are selling came from the wild. A natural hybrid is one that occurs in the