truth

1997-12-02 Thread Birgitt Bolton
truth. Because of that, some of us have formed the Dead Moose Society which is a humourous way of looking at truth that everyone knows is there and needs to be spoken. And so my thinking this morning took me to looking at the way of Spirit as used by Harrison in his training, from the work of Angeles

Truth

2001-08-30 Thread Michael M Pannwitz
Dear colleagues, this spirited exchange on truth reminded me of the "percept" concept of John and Joyce Weir. Marv Weisbord and Sandra Janoff showed a short section from the tape "A day with the Weirs" at their facilitation workshop. This intrigued me so much that I got all f

Re: Truth

2001-08-30 Thread Meg Salter
are able to ""see" others more clearly/ be present for them. This has a a lot to do with ongoing personal work, and for me, contemplative work. Which takes up back to "Truth is Spirit" "which shall set you free"...? While I'm not an expert in

Re: Truth

2001-08-30 Thread william becker
is happening in the present. - Original Message - From: "Meg Salter" To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:27 AM Subject: Re: Truth > WOW! This thread gets richer all the time. > What you say makes total sense to me, Michael. > In the advanced facilitation training

Discussions of Truth

2001-08-29 Thread Judi Richardson
that we call living. I wonder sometimes if we all just told the truth as it moves up from the body and presses up against us to be revealed ... if we only said "yes" when "yes" is what we meant ... and "no" when we are unwilling or unable; if we asked for what we

Truth and conflict

2001-08-29 Thread kenoli Oleari
Title: Truth and conflict I think conflict can result from many things and people locked in conflict can be coming from many places.  Sometimes conflict is standing firm at a genuine place that feels threatened.  Sometimes it is raging from a stuck place that has become safe and defended and

speaking 'truth'/creating language

2002-01-29 Thread michael dobbie
So often it's only when we're finally up against the wall that we say what should have been said long ago. Seems like increasing numbers over there in Israel/Palestine are finally doing this amongst themselves, attempting to say what they most fear to say, to speak 'truth'

Re: Discussions of Truth

2001-08-29 Thread Julie Smith
Judi, I feel my "yes" to your thoughts bubbling up, so here it comes. YES! As I say that my heart expands into the open unknown. I find myself smiling for reasons I know not. Simply a natural response to a glimmer of truth? With heart overflowing, Julie - Original Message

Re: Discussions of Truth

2001-08-29 Thread uwe.weissflog
Judi, your words point to the essence - thanks. Uwe Pathway Guidance, Rinnengaerten 1, 34516 Voehl-Marienhagen, Germany email: uwe.weissf...@pathwayguidance.com email (personal): uwe.weissf...@t-online.de phone: 49-5635-991197; fax: 49-5635-993934 * * ==

Re: Discussions of Truth

2001-08-29 Thread william becker
Everyone is making very intelligent and learned comments, I have found it quite educational and gratifying to know others are so concerned with "Truth". Judi, how true that we come to own our view of the state of things and embody them into our beliefs and behaviors. So many ques

Re: Discussions of Truth

2001-08-30 Thread Trev Mason
Hi Judy, Ive been reading the flow of messages pondering the notion of truth over the last day or so, then this morning when I was having my morning meditaion & prayer hour I read in 1 Peter 5 (I think it was) something that jumped off the page at me. It said something like'..truth

Re: Discussions of Truth

2001-08-29 Thread kenoli Oleari
have difficulty speaking from a place of need rather than judgement? It is amazing how easily a world view or a notion ... or a way of being ... anchors itself into flesh and then creates the experience that we call living. I wonder sometimes if we all just told the truth as it moves up from the bod

Re: Discussions of Truth

2001-08-30 Thread Judi Richardson
me and judgement, >that we seem to have difficulty speaking from a place of need rather >than judgement? > >It is amazing how easily a world view or a notion ... or a way >of being ... anchors itself into flesh and then creates the >experience that we call living. I wonder som

Re: Discussions of Truth

2001-08-30 Thread Judi Richardson
Trev- Oh my how wonderful -- truth is spirit -- mahalo -- and it is morning here - your words have greeted my day and will travel with me. Welcome to our new day... >>> trev.ma...@skillnz.govt.nz 08/29/01 22:11 PM >>> Hi Judy, Ive been reading the flow of messages pondering t

Re: Truth and conflict

2001-08-30 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Kenoli-- I like your insight about the many things that are likely going on in a group and inside each individual. It seems to me that if I can stay in touch with my own inner voices, in all their diversity, and at the same time hold space in a wholehearted way, then I am helping to create an env

Re: Truth and conflict

2001-08-30 Thread Don Ferretti
Just wondering if anyone who is participating in this conversation has read "The Magic of Conflict" by David Carum. It is cool with the whole issue of truth and conflict, etc. viewed through lense of Aikido. Don > * * =

Re: Truth and conflict

2001-08-30 Thread kenoli Oleari
Joelle -- thanks for you rnote. Yes, a great way to encourage expansiveness is to model it. An obvious strategy that we each too often overlook. I think eventually it can become sort of a habit. -- Kenoli Kenoli-- I like your insight about the many things that are likely going on in a group a

Re: Truth and conflict

2001-08-30 Thread kenoli Oleari
nversation has read "The Magic of Conflict" by David Carum. It is cool with the whole issue of truth and conflict, etc. viewed through lense of Aikido. Don * * == osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu -- To su

Re: Discussions of Truth

2001-08-31 Thread Trev Mason
2001 00:58 To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Discussions of Truth Trev- Oh my how wonderful -- truth is spirit -- mahalo -- and it is morning here - your words have greeted my day and will travel with me. Welcome to our new day... >>> trev.ma...@skillnz.govt.nz 08/29/01 2

Re: Truth and conflict

2001-08-31 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
Kenoli-- Well, let's hope expansiveness becomes a habit! I believe that the influence of our own inner states goes beyond simply modelling the behavior we wish to encourage--which is a benefit in itself. I believe that our own inner states help to create the energetic environment in which others

Re: Truth and conflict

2001-08-31 Thread Michael Herman
one of my teachers likens it to being a kayaker on a river, working as an individual making turns, choosing path. if that one shifts his/her attention/awareness to the river, enough to *become* river, then some really amazing and powerful, otherwise impossible moves, become possible. and as we pu

Re: Truth and conflict

2001-08-31 Thread kenoli Oleari
Joelle -- Absolutely, and well said! -- Kenoli Kenoli-- Well, let's hope expansiveness becomes a habit! I believe that the influence of our own inner states goes beyond simply modelling the behavior we wish to encourage--which is a benefit in itself. I believe that our own inner states help t

One dosis of truth

2001-09-15 Thread Eugenio Moliní
Dear all: I want to share something I got from an Ulster catholic that has been engaged in the peace movement as long as I have known her. I belive that this is the part of truth that western world leaders, media, and many of us have difficulties in taking responsibility for. I believe that it

Truth, conflict and much besides

2001-09-03 Thread David Adams
It is amazing to come back from a brief holiday to find an explosion of emails about Truth! What truly wonderful people inhabit this list... We have a dialogue group here in Scotland and one of our recent topics was Conflict. It was fascinating to discover as our dialogue developed that our

Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy

2001-09-12 Thread Eugenio Moliní
s. One of the most impacting learnings was that for reconciliation to take place, four voices have to be heard and allowed to permeate all actions. Those are the voices of Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy. In the media and political speeches I hear the voice of Justice clear and loud, maybe the w

Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality.

2001-08-30 Thread J. Paul Everett
Discussion on Truth, OSE’s, Godel, Reality Models What is “Truth” depends largely on one’s model of reality, I think. One’s model of reality is generally built on the cultural frame one is raised in as well as one’s personal experiences of what works and what doesn’t work, or work well enough

Re: Truth, conflict and much besides

2001-09-03 Thread Trev Mason
Tena koe David (A New Zealand greeting) Really enjoyed your observations and comments about truth, conflict & much besides. Your Hebrews reference about strangers and angels reminded me of a recent conversations with a missionary friend just back from China. He was rushing to catch a train a

Re: Truth, conflict and much besides

2001-09-03 Thread Eiwor Backelund
eyes to the right colour. If you are looking for yellow mushrooms you wont see the brown and vice versa. I suppose it could be that way with people too. You have to looks for the angels to catch sight of them. This weekend I read a book called the Profet. It said about Truth: When you have found

Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy

2001-09-13 Thread Diane S. Menendez, Ph.D.
to permeate all actions. Those are the voices of Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy. In the media and political speeches I hear the voice of Justice clear and loud, maybe the whispers of Truth. In this list/space I can read what Mercy and Peace have to say. Let´s keep the space open so that all four can b

Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy

2001-09-13 Thread Eugenio Moliní
(0)70 5644668 Brunbarsvagen 8 11421 Stockholm Sverige -Original Message- From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu]On Behalf Of Diane S. Menendez, Ph.D. Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:24 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Peace, Truth, Justi

Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy

2001-09-13 Thread Julie Smith
Subject: Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy Dear all and Diane S. Menedez: I thank you from the deepest of my soul for your acknowledgement of my message. It helped a lot to open my inner Space again. It took a great effort to force myself out of shock and write my first message. Af

Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy

2001-09-13 Thread Diane S. Menendez, Ph.D.
:24 PM To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Subject: Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy Hi to all and Eugenio, Can you share the name of the person or firm who did the training? I'm participating in a collaborative here in Cincinncati that is led by Jay Rothman, of the ARIA group, wh

Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy

2001-09-13 Thread Peggy Holman
: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:03 AM Subject: Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy Dear all and Diane S. Menedez: I thank you from the deepest of my soul for your acknowledgement of my message. It helped a lot to open my inner Space again. It took a great effort to force myself out of shock and

Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy

2001-09-13 Thread kenoli Oleari
Title: Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy I join others in their thanks for you message and add thanks for your genuine openness in expressing your feelings about what it took to speak. -- Kenoli -- Kenoli Oleari, Horizons of Change, http://www.horizonsofchange.com 1801 Fairview Street

Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy

2001-09-14 Thread Agneta Setterwall
- Original Message - From: Eugenio Moliní To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:44 PM Subject: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy A couple of years ago I was in a training for mediators called "Sustainable Reconciliation in divided societies".

Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy

2001-09-14 Thread florian fischer
but, dear agneta, your words are the best ones, because you have written and spoken them. you gave them life. your words will have their own rippling, encoureging others. there is no judge, only ears and eyes, and hearts. look, how fine are your words. isn´t it nearly a poem ?! thank you for unlurk

Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy

2001-09-14 Thread skaparlust
in the morning on the 21st. Many hugs and greetings from Agneta (Falk) Skaparlust Mälby 6394 760 40 Väddö. Sweden - Original Message - From: Agneta Setterwall To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and

Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy

2001-09-14 Thread Averbuch
iginal Message - From: Julie Smith To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:49 PM Subject: Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy Dear Eugenio and all, I have often shared that sense of relief when someone, anyone, expressed understanding or apprec

Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy

2001-09-14 Thread Averbuch
Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and MercyAnd so do I! with much appreciation Tova Averbuch Tova Averbuch, 34 Rabinovitz street, Holon 58672, Israel averb...@post.tau.ac.il - Original Message - From: kenoli Oleari To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001

Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy

2001-09-14 Thread Julie Smith
Dear Agneta, You are the first to bring tears to my eyes. Your courage strengthens mine. Thank you. Julie - Original Message - From: Agneta Setterwall To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 11:31 PM Subject: Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and

Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy

2001-09-14 Thread Julie Smith
, September 14, 2001 5:54 AM Subject: Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy Dearest Julie you wrote: < I want to say again that I have been deeply and positively impacted by each and every message I have read on this list that relates to the events of Tuesday morn

Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy

2001-09-14 Thread Julie Smith
For the third time today, my heart flows over. Thank you. - Original Message - From: florian fischer To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 12:47 AM Subject: Re: Peace, Truth, Justice and Mercy but, dear agneta, your words are the best ones

Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-21 Thread Harrison Owen
One of the earmarks of any good Open Space (and I've never seen a bad one) is that Truth is spoken. It may be the sort of truth that manifests when professional colleagues honestly and authentically access the relative merits of particular approaches to a given issue -- not on the basis o

Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-21 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Harrison-- It seems to me you have invented a different way to conclude OST. I think there are 3 ways that are talked about here on the list: 1. Convergence (the first way). 2. Reopening the space for action planning (Chris Corrigan's way). 3. Opening breathing room (for times of shock). So we

Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-23 Thread Douglas D. Germann, Sr.
Harrison-- << Last thought. I don't think I was describing a new way to conclude and << Open Space. If anything it was more about kick starting the whole << operation with a radical re-opening of Space. It was also about giving << everybody the clear opportunity to make their own choices in a

Re: Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality.

2001-08-31 Thread Winston Kinch
The creator gathered all of creation (except us) and said, I want to hide something from the humans until they are ready for it. It is the realization that they create their own reality. The eagle said, Give it to me, I will take it to the moon. The creator said, No, one day they will go the

Re: Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality.

2001-08-31 Thread william becker
Thank you for the legend..it certainly reflects my "reality" - Original Message - From: Winston Kinch To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality. The creator gathered all o

Re: Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality.

2001-08-31 Thread william becker
It's great to hear from a pragmatist. I think your insights lean heavily towards earlier conversations around implementation of results. it seems to bee looking for meaning/Truth from the OST process is akin to looking for the meaning of Life, when Life itself is the meaning. As I under

Re: Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality.

2001-08-31 Thread Julie Smith
?). It is from within this state that the Sioux legend resonates with me. When we are in our sleeping/dream/illusion state, we create our own reality, and the knowledge that we are doing so resides within each of us. Other ideas also resonate from this state: the idea of relative or contextual truth

Re: Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality.

2001-08-31 Thread Larry Peterson
I think the way we prepare for the reality that like this, is by naming our intentions and our perception of the context. Then we try to find ways to understand our experiences, especially the transforming ones. Words are a partial and way of understanding, always the map, never the territory. B

Re: Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality.

2001-08-31 Thread Michael Herman
been good to start reading all of you all again, here on the list, since osonos, after a sort of a mostly-subject-line-only hiatus for me this year. so much moving in life! anyway, saw this bit of your message, bill, and it reminded me that i'd convened a session on 'letting go of ost' in vanco

Re: Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality.

2001-08-31 Thread Meg Salter
t back and forth - to find bridges from the sleeping to the awakened state - and back again. After all, we are embodied (in-a-body) creatures, and our truth/reality is expressed in ourselves, our relationships, our culture and our technical systems. My own experience is that this "back again

Re: Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality.

2001-08-31 Thread kenoli Oleari
J. Paul -- I am tempted to spend the next hour thinking about this and responding, it is such a rich posting, and I have to get on to some other things. But, I can't resist a quick response. I sense that we have been using the word "truth" in different ways in these discussio

Re: Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality.

2001-08-31 Thread Julie Smith
y from the real, awakened point of view is that there are no opposities. No opposite to love, to truth, to life, to oneness. Rather than reconciling opposites, we see there are no opposites. I think choosing between the illusory world and the real world is an either-or proposition (in each moment

Re: Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality.

2001-08-31 Thread Michael Herman
there are no opposities. No opposite to love, to truth, to life, to > oneness. Rather than reconciling opposites, we see there are no opposites. > > I think choosing between the illusory world and the real world is an > either-or proposition (in each moment we choose one or the other), and

Re: Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality.

2001-08-31 Thread Michael Herman
ditions, > hold the container with full presence to allow individuals to catapult back > and forth - to find bridges from the sleeping to the awakened state - and > back again. > After all, we are embodied (in-a-body) creatures, and our truth/reality is > expressed in ourselves, our

[Fwd: Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality.]

2001-08-31 Thread Michael Herman
Julie Smith wrote: > YES! Thanks for weaving it altogether, Michael. > > Julie > > - Original Message - > From: Michael Herman > To: > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 2:33 PM > Subject: Re: Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality. > > > i agree wit

Re: Reflections on Truth, Systems and Reality.

2001-09-01 Thread Audrey Coward
This is going to stay with my other treasures. I have been reading all the discussions on truth and appreciating everyone's input. It has kept me stimulated after the OSONOS and I attempt to settle back into my home and work spaces.Thanks to all. Love Audrey Winston Kinch wrote: > The

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-21 Thread Pannwitz, Michael M
mat. > >--=_NextPart_000_0006_01C4876D.5BD690F0 >Content-Type: text/plain; >charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >One of the earmarks of any good Open Space (and I've never seen a bad = >one) is that Truth is spoken. It may b

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-21 Thread Funda Oral
s, Funda - Original Message - From: Harrison Owen To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 5:55 PM Subject: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling One of the earmarks of any good Open Space (and I've never seen a bad one) is tha

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-22 Thread Funda Oral
From: "Douglas D. Germann, Sr." <76066@compuserve.com> To: Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 6:53 AM Subject: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling > Harrison-- > > It seems to me you have invented a different way to conclude OST. I think > there are

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-22 Thread toke
challenge myself and the clients with more realness - that I will not take on the work they invite me into if it pseudo and they are not ready to speak and act on their truth up front to set that tone for others, - I challenge myself with actually "througing the piece of work into the fire&

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-22 Thread Harrison Owen
f anything I sensed a deeper connection with the participants. Harrison - Original Message - From: Douglas D. Germann, Sr. To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:53 PM Subject: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling Har

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-22 Thread Michael Herman
you'll find some samples here, funda. varying degrees of provocative, evocative and imaginative. and still they all worked well enough. michael Funda Oral wrote: Dear Listers, I am curious to know some "exemples of invitation" as described in the book " provocative, evocative, imaginati

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-22 Thread Michael Herman
you'll find some samples here, funda. varying degrees of provocative, evocative and imaginative. and still they all worked well enough. michael http://www.globalchicago.net/wiki/wiki.cgi?OpenSpaceTech/InvitationWriting Funda Oral wrote: I am curious to know some "exemples of invitation"

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-22 Thread Michael Herman
non-convergence is written up in some detail here, funda... http://www.globalchicago.net/wiki/wiki.cgi?NonConvergence and doug, i would say that what harrison did was a big version of non-convergence. reopening the space for whatever wanted to happen next, rather than pushing for action plans

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-22 Thread Lisa Heft
Hmmm. I have reopened the circle the next morning with a bit of a challenge to participants ('you can spend today telling the story as it has been, or you can tell the new story beginning today' or 'if you want to spend today describing the problem, as you did yesterday, feel free - if you want to

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-22 Thread Joelle Lyons Everett
nce to discuss each issue and ask their own questions. The director answered very directly and without defensiveness, and said "I don't know" when that was the truth. One of the participants got a flip chart and said, "I'm just going to write down whatever I hear

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-22 Thread Funda Oral
ay, August 22, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling Doug -- I am not so sure that this is really a fork in the road -- somehow that image is just too linear, suggesting that there is a single road. It feels to me rather more like a deepening of

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-22 Thread Harrison Owen
tation. In Open Space or elsewhere. - Original Message - From: Lisa Heft To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling Hmmm. I have reopened the circle the next morning

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-22 Thread Harrison Owen
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 4:16 PM Subject: Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling Maybe the question is " can we open more space in our hearts for conflict and respect those who are in conflict?" Lisa's and Harrison's reactions reminde

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-22 Thread Lisa Heft
Yes, Harrison - You said: I totally 'got' that you were fully engaged, and also knowing you and having seen you work I know that you would have found just the right way to say what you were doing without in any way leveraging it or implying anything by it. I also feel that people in the circle

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-22 Thread Elwin and Joan
nd in the end was "blamed" for NOT fixing the conflict etc. The facilitator owned the outcome! Need for this element (re-opening) of facilitation skill maybe rare but it is TOTALLY in concert with "Telling the Truth" and "Letting It Go". And that my friends is tru

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-23 Thread EVERETT813
In a message dated 8/22/04 1:10:41 PM, fundao...@superonline.com writes: > > Maybe the question is " can we open more space in our hearts for conflict > and respect those who are in conflict?" > > Lisa's and Harrison's reactions reminded me the difference between male& > female dealing with c

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-25 Thread Larry Peterson
Thanks for the truth Harrison - about the event and about your experience in it. Did you see any of it coming in the planning before the event? Sometimes it is a real surprise when the air is out, the dead moose in on the table and the spirit is ebbing. I'm not clear from your story whe

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-25 Thread Harrison Owen
esday, August 25, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling Thanks for the truth Harrison - about the event and about your experience in it. Did you see any of it coming in the planning before the event? Sometimes it is a real surprise when

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-25 Thread karen gorrin
There is a saying that goes something like this, "If you love something, set it free. If it comes back to you it's yours. If it doesn't, it never was." These words feel relevant here. With the act of stepping aside, IMHO Harrison truly allowed room for ALL possibilities of outcome: the energy of t

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-25 Thread Winston Kinch
Ho to you, Harrison; and to Birgitt... wk - Original Message - From: Harrison Owen To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 6:15 PM Subject: Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling Larry -- they did give me some warning. Sort of like

Re: Unintend Consequences, Collateral Damage and Truth Telling

2004-08-25 Thread Peggy S. Holman
ding things captive, rather than resenting them and trying to convince them to change their mind, there was another, more useful way to see this. That person was speaking an important truth and our job was to hear the message they were struggling to express because it held some kernel that was impo

Did you listen to this 13 old woman speak her truth at the UN.

2009-06-15 Thread Toke Paludan Møller
Dear collegues. Did you listen to this 13 old woman speak her truth at the UN. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQmz6Rbpnu0 if not please take a moment to hear a message from her generation This is the kind of understanding and real need that inspires me to do the work I do - her, the child

Re: Did you listen to this 13 old woman speak her truth at the UN.

2009-06-15 Thread David stevenson
e: > Dear collegues. > Did you listen to this 13 old woman speak her truth at the UN. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQmz6Rbpnu0 > > if not please take a moment to hear a message from her generation > > This is the kind of understanding and real need that inspires me

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2019-08-01 Thread Chris Corrigan via OSList
us 2019 21:36 > Aan: World wide Open Space Technology email list > > CC: Mark Carmel > Onderwerp: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY > with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and > certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS

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2019-08-01 Thread Michael Herman via OSList
ists.openspacetech.org> > *CC:* Mark Carmel > *Onderwerp:* [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if > that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money > OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to > become CERTIFIED

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2019-08-01 Thread Harrison Owen via OSList
Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us mortals to become CERTIFIED OPEN SPACE TECHNOLOGISTS??? I strongly agree with Koos. No. Chris Corrigan. On

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2019-08-01 Thread Royle, Karl via OSList
PM To: Koos de Heer; World wide Open Space Technology email list Cc: Chris Corrigan; Mark Carmel Subject: Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS among us

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2019-08-01 Thread R Chaffe via OSList
may sounds arrogant in its simplicity yet a little looking and listening at the “writing on the wall” and the truth is revealed in its effective simplicity. Like most effective things it looks easy and it’s description is simple. The devil is in the detail. Prior good performance and “scores

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2019-08-01 Thread Elwin and Joan via OSList
To: Koos de Heer; World wide Open Space Technology email list Cc: Chris Corrigan; Mark Carmel Subject: Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS amo

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2019-08-01 Thread David Osborne via OSList
mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf > Of *Chris Corrigan via OSList > *Sent:* Thursday, August 1, 2019 4:54 PM > *To:* Koos de Heer; World wide Open Space Technology email list > *Cc:* Chris Corrigan; Mark Carmel > *Subject:* Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Ov

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2019-08-01 Thread Alan Halford via OSList
What’s there to certify, Issue an invitation, sit in a circle, create an agenda, get to work Alan Halford & Associates Open Space Technology Aficionados Mediation and Conflict Transformation Facilitators www.alanhalford.com.au www.conflictcompany.com.au

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2019-08-02 Thread Rolf F. Katzenberger via OSList
Mark, I'd like to move away from the /position/ ("certification, yes or no" has been discussed a lot) and towards the /need/ that you seem to see - the need that would be fulfilled by certification, in your opinion. So, I'm truly interested in a few things: * What burning need of the community

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2019-08-02 Thread Facilit8 via OSList
Dear Mark For me there is only one case for certification and that is ‘certified insane’. The rest is an illusion of certainty which is the very antithesis of Open Space at least as I experience it. I appreciate your enthusiasm for the business opportunity and for practitioners. I have found t

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2019-08-02 Thread Marai Kiele via OSList
Dear Amanda, Could you help me understand what for you the difference is between a certification (in the US sense) and an accreditation? I know there is a cultural difference (years ago I learned from a British colleague that in the UK „certified“ means ‘certified insane’ as you are saying).

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2019-08-02 Thread Amanda Bucklow via OSList
Dear Marai I make the distinction between Certified (in the US sense) and Accredited as follows: Certified would be 1. State sponsored with legal status as in a certified accountant. In the UK in order to produce statutory accounts for the Inland Revenue you need to be ‘certified’ by a recogn

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2019-08-02 Thread Harrison Owen via OSList
: Friday, August 2, 2019 9:51 AM To: World wide Open Space Technology email list Cc: Amanda Bucklow Subject: Re: [OSList] The Triumph of Truth Over Error...Chime in if that's OKAY with YOU? What do you say we raise some SERIOUS money OFFICIALLY training and certifying ALL the GOOD SPIRITS amo

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2019-08-02 Thread Marai Kiele via OSList
Thank you, Amanda, I appreciate you for sharing your distinction. Not too much information. Thank you :) Marai > Am 02.08.2019 um 15:50 schrieb Amanda Bucklow : > > Dear Marai > > I make the distinction between Certified (in the US sense) and Accredited as > follows: > > Certified would be

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2019-08-02 Thread Amanda Bucklow via OSList
Harrison, I am with you. I don’t care for either certification or accreditation - it means nothing. White coats and Jack Nicolson are what comes to my mind and in truth the systems are run by the inmates! I would be very disheartened if OS succumbed to the myth of certification. OS is a

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2019-08-02 Thread paul levy via OSList
don’t care for either certification or accreditation - it > means nothing. White coats and Jack Nicolson are what comes to my mind and > in truth the systems are run by the inmates! I would be very disheartened > if OS succumbed to the myth of certification. OS is a process and like the >

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2019-08-02 Thread Jeff Aitken via OSList
h.org> wrote: > >> Harrison, >> >> I am with you. I don’t care for either certification or accreditation - >> it means nothing. White coats and Jack Nicolson are what comes to my mind >> and in truth the systems are run by the inmates! I would be very >> dis

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