Why only hanging around the door. I have had them come in and push me
out to then tell the mother how to push and ''look I ''saved'' them!
Barb
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Hi Janet
Out of interest how does your wound give you trouble? Gee what a pain after
all that time!
Lisa
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Mary wasn't directing this at you or anyone in general really...just feel for
Di...as think she did a great job assome hospital midwives would have
thrown it in the too hard basket and called the doc for the vaccumm waay before;
what with the fetal distress and all (tongue
In summary, the
literature suggests that mild to moderate ketosis is a normal
consequence of labour
although the association between high ketonuria and the
progress of labour is
inconclusive. There is also no evidence to inform the debate
about the beneficial or
detrimental effect of
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Thanks All, for your thoughts,
Not so sure it was rest and be thankful stage as
she had already had involuntary pushing happening for a while with the first bit
of second stage contractions that were only very short, and she had brought baby
down to on view at that stage, it
Haven't read it fully yet!
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Thanks Lisa,
Wouldnt it be great if we could seek our 'evidence' from physiological
labour. Im not sure how well these epiduralised induced women compare in
these respects. Anyone got time to do formal studies?? Not me at this stage
: )
Di
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Searches show some stuff in Practising Midwife which I can't even get
abstracts for .maybe someone else can.
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I think that there is no doubt about the fact that extra fluids reduces
ketonuria, the debate is : Is ketonuria harmful or beneficial or just neutral?
It may be that what is pathological in illness may be a product of normal
metabolism in labour. From what I have read, Ketoacidosis is the
What you're saying is what a lot of
research into low carbing says, Mary.
J
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Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:32
PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sports
drinks
I think that there
First time mother
- the inexperienced uterus and vagina may cause a difficult or prolonged
delivery.
This is one of the causes listed for Congenital Hip dysplasia on the
Victoria better health site. MM
Would the ROTFL reaction to the word inexperienced
be appropriate here?
Vedrana
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Inexperiened?
First
That's right Barb...it's sometimes tempting to lock the bloody door! I too
love the old 'cut an episiotomy' order as they are standing at the end of
the bed (whilst directing the woman to push so much more effectively than
you a mere midwife could)...serious dirty look often works with this
Just to add confusion about this issue, I remember a woman in labour who had
a long labour and drank a large amount of fluid and the baby had
hyponatraemia (I think it was low in something) and when we checked the
mother she too was very dilute in many of her essential elements. She
recovered
I have heard anectodal evidence of this too.
Di
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Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fluids in labour
Just to add confusion about this issue, I remember a
Along the theme of slow labours:
I just had a labouring mum with very slow
contractions today. She came in in the night thinking she'd SROM'd but
hadnot - was niggling all night with backache.
This morning I reassessed and found intact
forewaters and a posterior cervix which was a really
One of the women on my site has just found out she has both
of these things. She said she has googled for hours and cant find
anything on Staph specifically. Can someone pass on some knowledge on what this
is going to mean? I have never heard of someone having both before. Shes
almost
Hi Sue,
Without any malicious intent I'm again going to
attempt an opinion.
I don't routinely VE anybody and niggling backache
alone with looking at the women would probably indicate to me that labour wasn't
established. I would encourage her to carry on her normal routine but rest
lots.
Isn't GBS a staph infection??? Been awhile since I was at work, relishing in the time off work with little munchkin who is now 3 and bit months old.
katrina
On 06/10/2006, at 7:06 PM, Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote:
x-tad-smallerOne of the women on my site has just found out she has both of these
Thats right gbs is group b streph which
is found on vaginal swab at 36 weeks treated with benzpennicillin during labour
every 4 hours commencing with a loading dose of 3 gms then 1.2 gm every four
hours while in active labour.
Regards sharon
From:
I have given tired women a spoonful of honey around
this stage, sometimes when things just seem to be going off the boil and
tiredness is kicking in. It seems to work magically, and one of the Obs Reg at
my work now lets me give that a go before mentioning the synto.He has seen
it work a
I thought group b strep and staph aureaus are
different organisms? Staph infections on vaginal swab require no treatment
or preventative abs in labour. Staph seems to have no effects on baby
(that they haven't found out yet!) and it is a normal colonisation of the skin
only becoming a issue
About 10 yrs ago I had a client who had a fit after the birth from
hyponatremia. She had a mouthful of water with every contraction over a 12
hr labour. She drank reverse osmosis filtered water. The baby was fine,
although this was one of the rare times I cut an episiotomy to get the baby
out
I was found to be positive with GBS and refused IV treatment in labour, baby was fine with no signs of GBS at all on swabbing.
Kristin
From: "Melissa Singer" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] GBS and StaphDate:
I had a Sudanese client a while back whose
other support person (another Sudanese woman) gave the client hot water with
about 10 sugars in it. Traditionally they use a slightly different hot mixture
she said, but boy did it pick up her contractions. This was her 3rd
baby and third labour
I entirely agree Lisa and no offense taken
:-)
Had I NOT been in the hospital situation and
knowing the personality of the particular ob for the day my choice would have
been to send her home, I wish she had not spent the night in hosp at all but by
the time I took over, she had been there
Yes Melissa - GBS is a different organism from
Staph.
Not so long ago we used to 'anti-staph' the babies
post first bath and day 3 using chlorhexidine cream, it apparently no longer is
required as the 'staph contamination' is not harmful.
Group B Strep is treated by AB's in labour and
I wanted to respond
also about how sad I feel as a consumer that the hospital midwives must do the
lesser of two evils. Sad for the midwives who have to practice this way as it
must be so hard. Also sad for the families that use this system that they often
dont get evidence based care or
Hi Sue,
Thanks for sharing the information. Your
right it is almost impossible to avoid active intervention when birthing in the
system even with great midwives like yourself supporting. Part of the
problem appears to be the lack of belief that waiting and doing nothing is going
to work.
This is one for the MIPPs...you here the occasional story of a woman at full
dilatation during homebirth having a prolonged period of no contractions and
going to sleep...How long would you wait? And when would you get concerned?
These stories are in such contrast to what goes on in hospitals as
Thanks everyone for your replies, she is
also wondering how she could have gotten it?
Best Regards,
Kelly Zantey
From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006
11:22 PM
Hi Lisa,
it still itches now and then and I get occasional fungal infections in it.
I'm lucky I healed really fast after the surgery unlike many women but it
does seem a long time to be still getting the odd issue with it. Conor will
be 3 next month. Interestingly I know lots of women who have
I've known more than one woman who has waited many hours, even overnight. I
know a woman who fully dilated, went to bed and slept all night then got up
in the morning and pushed her baby out. It's interesting how wide the
variation of normal is when birth is relatively undisturbed. I'd have paid
I too find the whole ketone thing confusing. When people are on the Atkins diet (high protein, low carbohydrate) they test their urine for ketones which indicates they are breaking down fat. So despite being well hydrated they may have quite alot of ketones in their urine. So when a woman is in
Good morning everyone, I have been reading these last few threads with great
interest, and just wanted to express how grateful I am that this list is here
for me as a student midwife. I remember hearing about women possibly having a
period of no contractions at transition, in the group I attended
Sometimes at home the women get just as despondent but the difference is that no one is going to walk through the door and under mine me and 'save' her.Last week I was with a women who was birthing at home after three very different and for a variety of reasons not so great labours.. She had done
Did anyone else manage to catch this on Wednesday night - I only managed to get the info from their website after the event, but its looks wonderful!!!
http://www.abc.net.au/newinventors/txt/s1754147.htm (you can play the video too)
What a fanastic invention - apparently quite 'cheap' too.. Not
Andrea
This is a beautiful story and yes you are so right
about women asking to go home/hospital/
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Andrea
Quanchi
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 10:41
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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] No
Saw the show, she received some very positive and
supportive comments from the judges but did not win on the
night.
Megan
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BeckedahlSent: Saturday, 7 October 2006 10:24 AMTo:
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Dear All,
Labouring womenin my practice, over 20 of
them, tried this birth seat(although without the back part) and women have
found it not so useful as they cannot lean forward ormove on it
easily. Also ifa womanhas
generous proportions theyfind it difficult to siton itand many
womenfind
Hi all,
I've just gotten home from work and I feel
jinxed! I was caring for a very motivated primip who presented before I
arrived at 1930hrs. She previously had phoned and presented earlier in the
morning in early labour. When she came she was examined by the midwife and
was contracting
http://medic.med.uth.tmc.edu/path/1456.htm
STAPHYLOCOCCUS
Clinically, the most important genus of the Micrococcaceae family is
Staphylococcus. The Staphylococcus genus is classified into two
major groups: aureus and non-aureus. S. aureus
is a leading cause of soft tissue infections, as
Melissa,
They are different both
can ie it is possible not probable they willmake
babies very sick.
http://www.allaboutmedicalsales.com/medical_briefings/mrsa_infection_ip_230404.html
Sorry impetigo is strep not staph
!
http://www.gsbs.utmb.edu/microbook/ch013.htm
With kind regardsBrenda
Tester
Brenda Manning
www.themidwife.com.au
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Lisa, I am sure you have said what many of us think. I have
worked like that for years and one gets sick of the tightrope
all of the time. I am so glad that I am now working without drs,
it is just protocols now.
Cheers
Judy
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Hi Sue,
Thanks for
Fantastic story Andrea. As I am just starting in home birth I
love hearing these variations from hospital stuff.
Cheers
Judy
PS, bet she was pleased after the fact that you had not
immediately jumped to ring an ambulance.
--- Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sometimes at home the
Thanks for the feedback Anne.
Which one do the women seem to like the best? I have only used
the one from the birthinternational catalogue and it seemed to
work well for the women.
Cheers
Judy
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Dear All,
Labouring women in my practice, over 20 of
on some knowledge
on what this is going to mean? I have never heard of someone having both
before
. Shes almost 38wks
Best
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