RE: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread B G
Why only hanging around the door. I have had them come in and push me out to then tell the mother how to push and ''look I ''saved'' them! Barb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Gierke Sent: Friday, 6 October 2006 3:57 PM To:

RE: [ozmidwifery] Wounds

2006-10-06 Thread Lisa Gierke
Hi Janet Out of interest how does your wound give you trouble? Gee what a pain after all that time! Lisa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Friday, 6 October 2006 3:54 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re:

RE: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread Lisa Gierke
Title: Message No Mary wasn't directing this at you or anyone in general really...just feel for Di...as think she did a great job assome hospital midwives would have thrown it in the too hard basket and called the doc for the vaccumm waay before; what with the fetal distress and all (tongue

[ozmidwifery] Keytones-confusing

2006-10-06 Thread Mary Murphy
In summary, the literature suggests that mild to moderate ketosis is a normal consequence of labour although the association between high ketonuria and the progress of labour is inconclusive. There is also no evidence to inform the debate about the beneficial or detrimental effect of

Re: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread diane
Title: Message Thanks All, for your thoughts, Not so sure it was rest and be thankful stage as she had already had involuntary pushing happening for a while with the first bit of second stage contractions that were only very short, and she had brought baby down to on view at that stage, it

[ozmidwifery] Fluids in labour

2006-10-06 Thread Lisa Gierke
Haven't read it fully yet! Ovid Technologies, Inc. Email Service -- Results: Obstetrical Gynecological Survey (C) 2006 Lippincott Williams Wilkins, Inc. Volume 61(10), October 2006, pp 623-625 Increased Intravenous Fluid Intake and the Course of Labor in

[ozmidwifery] Sports drinks

2006-10-06 Thread Lisa Gierke
Ovid Technologies, Inc. Email Service -- Results: Anesthesia Analgesia (C) 2002 by International Anesthesia Research Society. Volume 94(2), February 2002, pp 404-408 An Evaluation of Isotonic Sport Drinks During Labor [TECHNOLOGY, COMPUTING, AND SIMULATION:

Re: [ozmidwifery] Sports drinks

2006-10-06 Thread diane
Thanks Lisa, Wouldnt it be great if we could seek our 'evidence' from physiological labour. Im not sure how well these epiduralised induced women compare in these respects. Anyone got time to do formal studies?? Not me at this stage : ) Di - Original Message - From: Lisa Gierke

RE: [ozmidwifery] Sports drinks

2006-10-06 Thread Lisa Gierke
Searches show some stuff in Practising Midwife which I can't even get abstracts for .maybe someone else can. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of diane Sent: Friday, 6 October 2006 5:13 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re:

RE: [ozmidwifery] Sports drinks

2006-10-06 Thread Mary Murphy
I think that there is no doubt about the fact that extra fluids reduces ketonuria, the debate is : Is ketonuria harmful or beneficial or just neutral? It may be that what is pathological in illness may be a product of normal metabolism in labour. From what I have read, Ketoacidosis is the

Re: [ozmidwifery] Sports drinks

2006-10-06 Thread Janet Fraser
What you're saying is what a lot of research into low carbing says, Mary. J - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Sports drinks I think that there

[ozmidwifery] Inexperiened?

2006-10-06 Thread Mary Murphy
First time mother - the inexperienced uterus and vagina may cause a difficult or prolonged delivery. This is one of the causes listed for Congenital Hip dysplasia on the Victoria better health site. MM

RE: [ozmidwifery] Inexperiened?

2006-10-06 Thread Vedrana Valčić
Would the ROTFL reaction to the word inexperienced be appropriate here? Vedrana From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 9:56 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Inexperiened? First

RE: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread Lisa Gierke
That's right Barb...it's sometimes tempting to lock the bloody door! I too love the old 'cut an episiotomy' order as they are standing at the end of the bed (whilst directing the woman to push so much more effectively than you a mere midwife could)...serious dirty look often works with this

RE: [ozmidwifery] Fluids in labour

2006-10-06 Thread Christine Holliday
Just to add confusion about this issue, I remember a woman in labour who had a long labour and drank a large amount of fluid and the baby had hyponatraemia (I think it was low in something) and when we checked the mother she too was very dilute in many of her essential elements. She recovered

Re: [ozmidwifery] Fluids in labour

2006-10-06 Thread diane
I have heard anectodal evidence of this too. Di - Original Message - From: Christine Holliday [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Fluids in labour Just to add confusion about this issue, I remember a

Re: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread Susan Cudlipp
Along the theme of slow labours: I just had a labouring mum with very slow contractions today. She came in in the night thinking she'd SROM'd but hadnot - was niggling all night with backache. This morning I reassessed and found intact forewaters and a posterior cervix which was a really

[ozmidwifery] GBS and Staph

2006-10-06 Thread Kelly @ BellyBelly
One of the women on my site has just found out she has both of these things. She said she has googled for hours and cant find anything on Staph specifically. Can someone pass on some knowledge on what this is going to mean? I have never heard of someone having both before. Shes almost

Re: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread Lisa Barrett
Hi Sue, Without any malicious intent I'm again going to attempt an opinion. I don't routinely VE anybody and niggling backache alone with looking at the women would probably indicate to me that labour wasn't established. I would encourage her to carry on her normal routine but rest lots.

Re: [ozmidwifery] GBS and Staph

2006-10-06 Thread Ceri Katrina
Isn't GBS a staph infection??? Been awhile since I was at work, relishing in the time off work with little munchkin who is now 3 and bit months old. katrina On 06/10/2006, at 7:06 PM, Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote: x-tad-smallerOne of the women on my site has just found out she has both of these

RE: [ozmidwifery] GBS and Staph

2006-10-06 Thread sharon
Thats right gbs is group b streph which is found on vaginal swab at 36 weeks treated with benzpennicillin during labour every 4 hours commencing with a loading dose of 3 gms then 1.2 gm every four hours while in active labour. Regards sharon From:

Re: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread cath nolan
I have given tired women a spoonful of honey around this stage, sometimes when things just seem to be going off the boil and tiredness is kicking in. It seems to work magically, and one of the Obs Reg at my work now lets me give that a go before mentioning the synto.He has seen it work a

Re: [ozmidwifery] GBS and Staph

2006-10-06 Thread Melissa Singer
I thought group b strep and staph aureaus are different organisms? Staph infections on vaginal swab require no treatment or preventative abs in labour. Staph seems to have no effects on baby (that they haven't found out yet!) and it is a normal colonisation of the skin only becoming a issue

RE: [ozmidwifery] Fluids in labour

2006-10-06 Thread Mary Murphy
About 10 yrs ago I had a client who had a fit after the birth from hyponatremia. She had a mouthful of water with every contraction over a 12 hr labour. She drank reverse osmosis filtered water. The baby was fine, although this was one of the rare times I cut an episiotomy to get the baby out

Re: [ozmidwifery] GBS and Staph

2006-10-06 Thread Kristin Beckedahl
I was found to be positive with GBS and refused IV treatment in labour, baby was fine with no signs of GBS at all on swabbing. Kristin From: "Melissa Singer" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] GBS and StaphDate:

RE: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread Philippa Scott
I had a Sudanese client a while back whose other support person (another Sudanese woman) gave the client hot water with about 10 sugars in it. Traditionally they use a slightly different hot mixture she said, but boy did it pick up her contractions. This was her 3rd baby and third labour

Re: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread Susan Cudlipp
I entirely agree Lisa and no offense taken :-) Had I NOT been in the hospital situation and knowing the personality of the particular ob for the day my choice would have been to send her home, I wish she had not spent the night in hosp at all but by the time I took over, she had been there

Re: [ozmidwifery] GBS and Staph

2006-10-06 Thread Susan Cudlipp
Yes Melissa - GBS is a different organism from Staph. Not so long ago we used to 'anti-staph' the babies post first bath and day 3 using chlorhexidine cream, it apparently no longer is required as the 'staph contamination' is not harmful. Group B Strep is treated by AB's in labour and

Re: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread Susan Cudlipp
I wanted to respond also about how sad I feel as a consumer that the hospital midwives must do the lesser of two evils. Sad for the midwives who have to practice this way as it must be so hard. Also sad for the families that use this system that they often don’t get evidence based care or

Re: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread Lisa Barrett
Hi Sue, Thanks for sharing the information. Your right it is almost impossible to avoid active intervention when birthing in the system even with great midwives like yourself supporting. Part of the problem appears to be the lack of belief that waiting and doing nothing is going to work.

[ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread Lisa Gierke
This is one for the MIPPs...you here the occasional story of a woman at full dilatation during homebirth having a prolonged period of no contractions and going to sleep...How long would you wait? And when would you get concerned? These stories are in such contrast to what goes on in hospitals as

RE: [ozmidwifery] GBS and Staph

2006-10-06 Thread Kelly @ BellyBelly
Thanks everyone for your replies, she is also wondering how she could have gotten it? Best Regards, Kelly Zantey From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 11:22 PM

Re: [ozmidwifery] Wounds

2006-10-06 Thread Janet Fraser
Hi Lisa, it still itches now and then and I get occasional fungal infections in it. I'm lucky I healed really fast after the surgery unlike many women but it does seem a long time to be still getting the odd issue with it. Conor will be 3 next month. Interestingly I know lots of women who have

Re: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread Janet Fraser
I've known more than one woman who has waited many hours, even overnight. I know a woman who fully dilated, went to bed and slept all night then got up in the morning and pushed her baby out. It's interesting how wide the variation of normal is when birth is relatively undisturbed. I'd have paid

RE: [ozmidwifery] Sports drinks

2006-10-06 Thread Michelle Windsor
I too find the whole ketone thing confusing. When people are on the Atkins diet (high protein, low carbohydrate) they test their urine for ketones which indicates they are breaking down fat. So despite being well hydrated they may have quite alot of ketones in their urine. So when a woman is in

[ozmidwifery] Good Morning

2006-10-06 Thread ajoynt
Good morning everyone, I have been reading these last few threads with great interest, and just wanted to express how grateful I am that this list is here for me as a student midwife. I remember hearing about women possibly having a period of no contractions at transition, in the group I attended

Re: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread Andrea Quanchi
Sometimes at home the women get just as despondent but the difference is that no one is going to walk through the door and under mine me and 'save' her.Last week I was with a women who was birthing at home after three very different and for a variety of reasons not so great labours.. She had done

[ozmidwifery] New Inventors birth seat

2006-10-06 Thread Kristin Beckedahl
Did anyone else manage to catch this on Wednesday night - I only managed to get the info from their website after the event, but its looks wonderful!!! http://www.abc.net.au/newinventors/txt/s1754147.htm (you can play the video too) What a fanastic invention - apparently quite 'cheap' too.. Not

Re: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Andrea This is a beautiful story and yes you are so right about women asking to go home/hospital/ - Original Message - From: Andrea Quanchi To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] No

RE: [ozmidwifery] New Inventors birth seat

2006-10-06 Thread Megan Larry
Saw the show, she received some very positive and supportive comments from the judges but did not win on the night. Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristin BeckedahlSent: Saturday, 7 October 2006 10:24 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject:

[ozmidwifery] New Inventors birth seat

2006-10-06 Thread Anne Clarke
Dear All, Labouring womenin my practice, over 20 of them, tried this birth seat(although without the back part) and women have found it not so useful as they cannot lean forward ormove on it easily. Also ifa womanhas generous proportions theyfind it difficult to siton itand many womenfind

Re: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread Melissa Singer
Hi all, I've just gotten home from work and I feel jinxed! I was caring for a very motivated primip who presented before I arrived at 1930hrs. She previously had phoned and presented earlier in the morning in early labour. When she came she was examined by the midwife and was contracting

Re: [ozmidwifery] GBS and Staph

2006-10-06 Thread brendamanning
http://medic.med.uth.tmc.edu/path/1456.htm STAPHYLOCOCCUS Clinically, the most important genus of the Micrococcaceae family is Staphylococcus. The Staphylococcus genus is classified into two major groups: aureus and non-aureus. S. aureus is a leading cause of soft tissue infections, as

Re: [ozmidwifery] GBS and Staph

2006-10-06 Thread brendamanning
Melissa, They are different both can ie it is possible not probable they willmake babies very sick. http://www.allaboutmedicalsales.com/medical_briefings/mrsa_infection_ip_230404.html Sorry impetigo is strep not staph ! http://www.gsbs.utmb.edu/microbook/ch013.htm With kind regardsBrenda

[ozmidwifery] tester

2006-10-06 Thread brendamanning
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Re: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread Judy Chapman
Lisa, I am sure you have said what many of us think. I have worked like that for years and one gets sick of the tightrope all of the time. I am so glad that I am now working without drs, it is just protocols now. Cheers Judy --- Lisa Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sue, Thanks for

Re: [ozmidwifery] No Contractions

2006-10-06 Thread Judy Chapman
Fantastic story Andrea. As I am just starting in home birth I love hearing these variations from hospital stuff. Cheers Judy PS, bet she was pleased after the fact that you had not immediately jumped to ring an ambulance. --- Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes at home the

Re: [ozmidwifery] New Inventors birth seat

2006-10-06 Thread Judy Chapman
Thanks for the feedback Anne. Which one do the women seem to like the best? I have only used the one from the birthinternational catalogue and it seemed to work well for the women. Cheers Judy --- Anne Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Labouring women in my practice, over 20 of

Re: [ozmidwifery] GBS and Staph

2006-10-06 Thread Katy O'Neill
on some knowledge on what this is going to mean? I have never heard of someone having both before…. She’s almost 38wks…Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator,BellyBelly.com.auConception, Pregnancy, Birth and BabyBellyBelly Birth Support__ NOD32 1.1793 (20061006) Information __This